Shane Smith & The Saints

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[00:01:00] Hey, this is Shelby with Whiskey Riff

[00:01:02] I know you might hear a different voice than you're used to

[00:01:05] And we are starting a new series backstage at the Grand Ole Opry

[00:01:09] And my name is Quinn Eaton

[00:01:11] I'm also a part of the Whiskey Riff team

[00:01:13] I'm a writer but happy to get into this part of the business as well

[00:01:17] And yeah, the backstage at the Opry interviews

[00:01:20] Occasionally might do Zoom as well

[00:01:23] But we're excited to get to sit down and speak to some people

[00:01:26] And one person that we got to talk to today was Shane Smith

[00:01:29] And it was a great interview

[00:01:31] I don't know if you want to tease anything about it, Shelby

[00:01:33] Yeah, I mean he is great

[00:01:35] And for him to have his Grand Ole Opry debut 10 years in is kind of crazy

[00:01:40] So we definitely touched on that

[00:01:41] His new album and his hangover cure

[00:01:44] And he was kind enough to give us plenty of time

[00:01:46] So without further ado here's the interview with Shane Smith

[00:01:56] We are backstage at the Grand Ole Opry with Shane Smith of Shane Smith and the Saints

[00:02:08] And one thing I can't get over is your career has probably been 10 plus years in the making

[00:02:14] Yet somebody who will probably look at you and think you guys are all an overnight success

[00:02:21] What do you attribute that success to especially recently?

[00:02:24] I think just hard work

[00:02:25] I mean, I started this in 2009

[00:02:30] So it's been a pretty long time

[00:02:33] And I just think we've just worked really hard to get here

[00:02:38] And always left it all out on stage

[00:02:41] Never really...I don't know

[00:02:44] Just like every show was like a full send

[00:02:47] And I think that hard work and that effort has kind of manifested into some great stuff

[00:02:53] Finally for us

[00:02:54] It just took a long time to start coming back around

[00:02:58] And you talk about hard work and effort

[00:03:02] Does it feel like your Grand Ole Opry debut is kind of a long time coming at this point?

[00:03:06] Is that something that you kind of feel personally?

[00:03:09] We've been in such a different lane than a lot of mainstream country

[00:03:12] And I think this venue is very much associated with country music

[00:03:17] And that traditional sound

[00:03:19] And we're much more of like a full crock sound

[00:03:22] And so while it was always kind of up in the clouds

[00:03:26] As this incredible accomplishment

[00:03:29] It was also something in a little bit of a separate lane, I feel like from us

[00:03:34] And regardless there was always a dream of like, yeah, maybe we could be asked to do that

[00:03:40] I just wasn't sure that we were ever going to be asked necessarily

[00:03:43] And so, yeah, it's amazing

[00:03:45] I mean, it's a total honor

[00:03:47] I mentioned this in an interview earlier

[00:03:49] But to me it's not just the venue

[00:03:51] It's the culmination of all the artists and performers

[00:03:56] That have been nervous backstage here

[00:03:59] And like, have grinded to be nervous backstage here

[00:04:03] You know, to get to that place of nervousness

[00:04:05] And just all that energy and all that effort and the grind, if you will

[00:04:10] You know, it all culminates into this place

[00:04:12] And it's just cool to be a part of that, you know

[00:04:15] So that's kind of how I feel about it

[00:04:17] Being backstage at the Grindelwald right now

[00:04:19] Do you think that you feel that nervous energy?

[00:04:21] Or what is the energy that you would describe?

[00:04:23] Honestly, I'm not really nervous about this

[00:04:26] I'm really, I feel really good about it

[00:04:28] At the end of the day, you know, it's like we get to knock out three songs

[00:04:32] And then party and hang out with all of our family and our friends

[00:04:35] And so I'm more or less just excited to play that last note

[00:04:40] See everybody having a good time and just soak it in from there, you know

[00:04:44] I don't know, similar to like an athlete or something

[00:04:47] I mentioned this in that interview too

[00:04:49] I definitely am more like, you know, let's go do what we gotta do

[00:04:53] And then celebrate after, I guess, you know

[00:04:57] It's been a big year playing the Rhymon

[00:04:59] Playing Red Rocks, now the Opry

[00:05:02] Is there any other bucket list venue on your list?

[00:05:05] Royal Albert Hall in London is a, we're getting to do that in May

[00:05:11] That's gonna be incredible, I'm really excited about that

[00:05:14] And we're headlining Red Rocks for a second time this year in May as well

[00:05:19] And Willie's Fourth of July Pigment, that was another

[00:05:22] You know, that was a big one for me and getting to do his ranch last year and all that

[00:05:26] So yeah, there's been a lot of really cool ones

[00:05:29] And this is just continuing on with that

[00:05:32] So, of course, anytime you're playing a venue

[00:05:35] You're getting to share that music that you've been working on

[00:05:38] With fans that are super connected to you guys

[00:05:41] What's that five-year gap look like, of course?

[00:05:43] Like you have that sort of delay in your music release

[00:05:47] So what made you get back into the studio?

[00:05:51] I mean, fans needed new music

[00:05:54] It had been years and we were just busy

[00:05:57] I mean, we were, I feel like, okay

[00:06:00] So, you know, COVID happened

[00:06:02] And everybody got this downtime

[00:06:03] And I think everyone was kind of like

[00:06:05] Why wouldn't you put a record out then or something?

[00:06:07] But I think COVID was the first time

[00:06:10] We were like forced to stop touring

[00:06:12] And we were doing like 200, one year

[00:06:15] I think we did 240 shows in a year or something like that

[00:06:18] And it's like, that's outrageous

[00:06:20] You know, when you really put that on paper

[00:06:22] In the amount of days that you're gone

[00:06:24] That aren't show days as well

[00:06:27] And I think COVID kind of forced us to be off

[00:06:31] And I think that was the only consecutive month

[00:06:34] That we were ever off as a band

[00:06:36] And so that was the last thing we were thinking about

[00:06:39] Was writing new music or putting out new music

[00:06:41] We were just like home and it was like

[00:06:43] Oh my god, this is incredible

[00:06:44] You know, and so

[00:06:46] But then, yeah

[00:06:47] I mean, fast forward a couple years

[00:06:49] And you know, my manager, our band

[00:06:52] Everybody is like, we need to put a new record out

[00:06:54] Like yesterday

[00:06:55] So the pressure was on

[00:06:58] But again, we were very busy all of last year

[00:07:01] So we had to find little days here and there

[00:07:03] When we could get into the studio

[00:07:05] Track a song, fly back to the bus

[00:07:08] Fly back to Dallas

[00:07:09] Track another song, maybe song and a half

[00:07:11] Fly back to the bus

[00:07:13] And it was like that for like eight or nine months

[00:07:15] This past year

[00:07:16] And so finally got a record done though

[00:07:19] And just stoked to have it out there

[00:07:22] So

[00:07:22] Yeah, congratulations with any record

[00:07:24] You know, when you go in the studio

[00:07:26] You mentioned that you're not necessarily

[00:07:27] Traditional country

[00:07:29] It's more like folk rock

[00:07:31] So who are your musical influences

[00:07:33] That really is fine

[00:07:35] You know, you're not required to hire this record

[00:07:37] Or any all your music really

[00:07:39] I mean a lot

[00:07:40] It's very different depending on the band member as well

[00:07:44] Like Bennett leans hard into like the Appalachian

[00:07:46] Folk

[00:07:47] Bluegrass side of things

[00:07:49] Chase totally across the board

[00:07:52] From bluegrass to

[00:07:54] You know, hip hop and rap and

[00:07:56] You know, same thing with like Stover

[00:07:59] Dustin is more like 80s

[00:08:01] Like Anthem Rock

[00:08:02] I feel like

[00:08:04] Like I grew up listening to a lot of oldies music

[00:08:06] Like

[00:08:08] Righteous brothers

[00:08:09] Four tops

[00:08:10] Temptations

[00:08:12] Al Green

[00:08:13] Otis Redding

[00:08:13] Stuff like that

[00:08:14] And then later on

[00:08:17] My brothers were listening to a lot of alternative rock

[00:08:19] And my cousin was listening to

[00:08:21] Singer songwriters

[00:08:23] Like Guy Clark

[00:08:24] And Ryan Bingham was just coming up at that time

[00:08:27] And Adam Carroll

[00:08:29] Hace Carl

[00:08:29] All these figures

[00:08:31] And so it's a weird combination

[00:08:32] I mean across the board

[00:08:34] And I think at the end of the day we just

[00:08:35] You know, you try to write music that you think is cool to you and all of that stuff

[00:08:41] You know

[00:08:41] All those creaks lead to one like river, you know, and

[00:08:45] And I think our sound is a

[00:08:49] Direct

[00:08:51] You know

[00:08:51] Result of that

[00:08:52] So

[00:08:53] That's what I mean

[00:08:53] One of the other questions is

[00:08:55] Is there an era of music that kind of inspires you guys the most

[00:08:58] But it seems like it's just a melting pot

[00:08:59] Yeah, it's a melting pot

[00:09:01] Or I think it's absolutely a melting pot for sure

[00:09:04] Going back to your name, Shane Smith and the Saints

[00:09:07] Did you guys all start out with a different name or did it evolve?

[00:09:09] We had at one point it was like

[00:09:12] In like 2009

[00:09:14] And 10

[00:09:15] And 11

[00:09:16] Or it was like it was Shane Smith

[00:09:18] And then there was Shane Smith

[00:09:20] And the six gun saints

[00:09:23] And then it was like

[00:09:24] Ray Wiley Hubbard

[00:09:25] And his wife

[00:09:26] We had just met them in Austin

[00:09:28] And she was like managing us

[00:09:30] Judy was

[00:09:32] And Ray was just like

[00:09:34] Shane your band name's

[00:09:36] Way too long

[00:09:37] You needed light and it was like okay

[00:09:39] We'll cut a couple syllables

[00:09:41] And so they landed at Shane Smith and the Saints

[00:09:43] And we just kept rolling with that

[00:09:45] So didn't really have a reason to change it

[00:09:48] A lot of S's

[00:09:49] It's a tongue twister

[00:09:50] But is what it is

[00:09:51] Sometimes alliteration is good

[00:09:53] People remember it

[00:09:54] So that's definitely fun

[00:09:55] Another thing that people remember

[00:09:56] Is the energy that you guys bring

[00:09:58] To the stage

[00:09:59] Can you speak on where that comes from

[00:10:01] Or is it just a natural thing that happens

[00:10:02] Whenever you guys get out there

[00:10:04] I mean I can tell you at the Ryman show

[00:10:06] It was electric

[00:10:07] I don't think I've ever seen the Ryman that way

[00:10:08] And I've been a handful of times

[00:10:09] Since moving here now

[00:10:11] And the energy in that room was crazy

[00:10:13] Now I'm on the balcony

[00:10:14] So I'm putting it on the floor

[00:10:15] That was a magical night

[00:10:17] And it's cool because it dropped so low

[00:10:20] At one point

[00:10:21] Like it was real quiet and real like

[00:10:23] You could just hear a pin drop in there

[00:10:25] During like

[00:10:27] Some of the slower songs

[00:10:28] And I think the energy is just like

[00:10:31] I just really

[00:10:33] I feel better about the music

[00:10:36] About the show

[00:10:37] About the fans

[00:10:38] Everything when I know that I left

[00:10:40] Absolutely everything out there

[00:10:42] And I find that

[00:10:44] If I don't do that

[00:10:45] I feel like I can walk away

[00:10:47] Being like well I

[00:10:49] Maybe could have done a little bit better

[00:10:50] Something

[00:10:51] But it really

[00:10:53] It makes me sleep good at night

[00:10:54] Just knowing that

[00:10:55] You really are just giving it a full send

[00:10:58] Whether it's 10 people in the audience

[00:11:00] Which for years it was

[00:11:03] To 10,000

[00:11:06] That's how I feel about it

[00:11:07] And I've tried since day one

[00:11:09] To really just go all out

[00:11:11] And I think the rest of the guys are the same

[00:11:14] And something I'm sure you've been told over the years

[00:11:16] Is that you have a very unique voice

[00:11:19] When I hear your voice on certain songs

[00:11:20] You definitely remind me of someone

[00:11:22] But is there

[00:11:23] You get compared to anyone else vocally?

[00:11:26] You know my voice has changed over the years

[00:11:28] Because I've had so much damage to it

[00:11:30] Like when we were doing all the six-tree years

[00:11:33] Of like playing on six-tree

[00:11:34] You would be doing like four hour sets

[00:11:37] But all the time the band after you would like cancel

[00:11:40] And so we would end up taking their four hour set as well

[00:11:43] So you'd be playing like eight hours a night oftentimes

[00:11:46] And my voice would just blow out

[00:11:48] Like all the time and all that scar tissue

[00:11:51] Like I was supposed to have surgery on it years ago

[00:11:53] And I went to this vocal therapist

[00:11:56] To try to prevent having to do that

[00:11:58] And I took like two weeks off or something

[00:12:01] And she gave me these warm-ups

[00:12:02] And it literally like saved me

[00:12:04] Because as long as I do that every night

[00:12:07] Like I'm good

[00:12:07] But as a result of all that damage

[00:12:10] Like it's kind of landed it in this really different

[00:12:14] I had to sing lower in a lower register

[00:12:17] Because I stopped being able to sing higher at one point

[00:12:21] And now it's because of those warm-ups and those exercises

[00:12:24] Like I've gotten a really big range of high and low

[00:12:27] And but it has kind of like that worn out type of thing to it

[00:12:31] I guess as a result of that

[00:12:32] So I'm just like trying to cruise in the lane that I'm in right now

[00:12:36] And you know try not to start you know

[00:12:40] Smoking reds anytime soon or anything like that

[00:12:43] The first time I heard Adeline

[00:12:45] I heard a lot of Johnny Cash in it

[00:12:46] Which I'm sure you heard a lot

[00:12:47] So that's why I'm wondering if you ever get to hear to anyone else

[00:12:49] I'm sure Johnny Cash

[00:12:50] Yeah Johnny Cash, Eddie Vedder

[00:12:52] Like I don't know

[00:12:55] There's random ones

[00:12:57] Colter Wall on certain you know

[00:12:59] Especially with my voice is really like

[00:13:01] Horse or whatever you know I'll get that

[00:13:03] And but yeah it's just it's changed a lot over the years

[00:13:06] If you listen to our early albums of us

[00:13:08] Compared to now it honestly is like totally different sounding

[00:13:11] And I like where it's at now

[00:13:13] I'm thankful for where it's at now

[00:13:14] I'm thankful that you know that

[00:13:16] I think the damage was a blessing in a way

[00:13:18] And so I'm just trying to roll with it

[00:13:21] Keep recording music you know with where it's at right now

[00:13:25] And even on your new album Northeer

[00:13:27] It seems like your voice has an opportunity

[00:13:29] To shine in different ways from track to track

[00:13:31] So just kind of talking about was that

[00:13:34] An inspiration going in to kind of change pace

[00:13:37] Vocally from song to song or what was that

[00:13:39] Inspiration for you guys whenever you put the albums together

[00:13:43] So my wife was big on like she really

[00:13:46] Tried to push me to like do a little more like falsetto stuff

[00:13:51] As well as the baritone as well as the spring steam

[00:13:55] Just yelling you know type of stuff

[00:13:57] And give more of a dynamic and that she's been saying that

[00:14:00] For years and years and as a result of those vocal

[00:14:03] Like I was saying the warm-ups and stuff

[00:14:05] I've developed somewhat of a falsetto

[00:14:07] And so it has a wider range I think with intention

[00:14:11] Of trying to push myself to see what I can do with it

[00:14:15] You know and it's been a while in parts

[00:14:18] Is baritone in other parts it's kind of falsetto-y

[00:14:20] In other parts it's just a roller coaster

[00:14:23] You know and I think a lot of the songs are the same so

[00:14:27] The other part of the inspiration on the album is

[00:14:29] You guys are from Texas but you have a lot of songs

[00:14:32] That are about the mountains or out west maybe beyond Texas

[00:14:36] And how does that all fall into your Texas roots

[00:14:40] I mean it's just years of touring the country

[00:14:43] You know and all over the place

[00:14:46] And we would be gone for years and years

[00:14:50] We'd be gone for like a lot of time and away from home

[00:14:53] And you would make new little homes in these little pockets

[00:14:57] Of fans you know like up in Idaho

[00:15:00] Like you know the Sawtooth mountain area

[00:15:02] Like you know we've got like a almost like a

[00:15:05] Home away from home type of vibe there

[00:15:07] And same thing up in Oregon and Oklahoma City

[00:15:10] Was like that for us I don't know

[00:15:12] It's you can't help but sing about you know

[00:15:16] The people and the places and stories that you develop

[00:15:21] Throughout those years of touring so

[00:15:23] And what's one song off the new album that you're most proud of

[00:15:27] And then maybe what's another song that has gotten a reaction

[00:15:30] From fans that you're a little surprised by

[00:15:33] Man I'm really it's like the simplest song on the album

[00:15:37] But to me it hits like really deep is all the way

[00:15:41] I wrote with my wife and there's just something to that song

[00:15:45] That feels really timeless to me you know like out of all of them

[00:15:48] And one that I think I'm a little bit surprised

[00:15:52] At how much I've started to like it

[00:15:55] As well as like other fans and stuff is wheels

[00:15:59] Wheels was one of those kind of b-roll tracks

[00:16:01] That barely made it but you know if you dive into it

[00:16:04] And you listen to it it grows on you a lot

[00:16:07] And I think a lot of the fans appreciate it

[00:16:09] That have been with us for a long time because they can hear

[00:16:11] What it's singing about and that's years and years of touring

[00:16:14] And so you know that one has been kind of a sleeper track that has creeped up a little bit

[00:16:19] So I agree with all the way being

[00:16:21] I mean that was my favorite by far by the gun to suck her for like a love song

[00:16:24] I feel like that's going to be a wedding song in years to come for sure

[00:16:27] So I'm excited to like watch that evolution of it

[00:16:30] I think we're going to transition into some rapid fire which should be a lot more fun

[00:16:34] Yeah

[00:16:35] First up who's winning your March Madness Bracket

[00:16:37] Who makes it all the way to the national championship

[00:16:39] Oh god dude I don't even know

[00:16:40] I would have had Kentucky but

[00:16:44] South yeah

[00:16:46] Here we are

[00:16:47] Do you not have time to even

[00:16:49] Dude I don't have time to have a bracket or anything

[00:16:53] I really don't and also like I just I was never a big like a college basketball

[00:16:58] Like you know there was definitely some sports

[00:17:02] That I would try to keep up with but I

[00:17:04] I definitely didn't have time for a lot of them and college basketball is one of them so

[00:17:09] And then we talked a little bit about like bucket list items

[00:17:11] Is there anything that you can besides like playing a venue

[00:17:14] Is there anything that's on your bucket list that really stands out that you haven't accomplished or done yet?

[00:17:18] Um uh in terms of

[00:17:22] Not even career

[00:17:23] Oh not even career

[00:17:25] Skydiving

[00:17:26] Man, dude I told you I'm bad at this

[00:17:29] I would say playing the gorge

[00:17:31] That that is a career one but um

[00:17:34] I think playing the gorge would be uh pretty incredible and

[00:17:37] I think at the end of the day the bucket list is just to have like a long career at this and

[00:17:42] Be able to sell out red rocks every year and be able to

[00:17:45] You know

[00:17:47] Continue to interact with the fans of the way that we're getting to right now

[00:17:51] So

[00:17:52] Favorite up-and-coming artist or group that you have

[00:17:55] Man Charles Wesley has been one for a long time for me and um

[00:18:00] We we got to have him on our red rock show last year

[00:18:04] Open it up and with molly tuttle and um, but I've been a huge fan of him for a long time. So

[00:18:11] Yeah, I mean I would say Charles, you know, he's not up and coming anymore, you know, right? Yeah

[00:18:16] But yeah, yeah, and he's just he's a wonderful guy, you know, he's a good friend. So are you a nascar fan?

[00:18:22] Uh, I mean not really I don't keep up with it, but I love

[00:18:26] I love what it's about and what it's you know, what it stands for and everything like

[00:18:31] That would be a bucket list item for me is to go like experience a full nascar like a full weekend at it

[00:18:37] You know, like you want to just the tailgate just

[00:18:41] Party at the tailgate whatever like in the experience. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. I do all of the things behind the wheel

[00:18:48] No

[00:18:51] No, yeah, I'll uh, I'll be on the side or something

[00:18:54] Well slowing things down fan of golf. Do you have a favorite golfer that you follow? Uh

[00:18:59] Man, I was a huge tiger woods fan. I still am

[00:19:03] Um, that's a great Jordan spieth

[00:19:06] Austin texas

[00:19:08] You know gotta

[00:19:09] Gotta support him rory. I'm a big fan of rory as well

[00:19:13] So there's a couple of them. What is your favorite 90s country song favorite 90s country? Um

[00:19:19] Queen in my double wide trailer

[00:19:22] Yeah, great answer. It's an error

[00:19:24] We have a 90s, uh

[00:19:26] March madness bracket. It's it's think it's doing well. It's doing well. Yeah

[00:19:30] Um favorite sad country song

[00:19:32] Uh, I honestly, I love, uh, caroline, uh, bicollter wall. I think that is just like such a beautiful

[00:19:40] timeless track. Um

[00:19:42] I you know, I could dive another one as, uh

[00:19:46] bartender blues, uh, george jones

[00:19:50] 100% bring bring me to tears. What are you doing when you're not playing music? Uh, typically fixed

[00:19:56] I'm watching something at my house, uh

[00:19:59] Or trying to get out to west texas with my wife and and buddies and uh get out in the desert and yeah

[00:20:05] I mean look for arrowhead points

[00:20:08] Just

[00:20:09] Stuff like that. You know, I love getting outside when I can't what's your go-to drink order if you had one

[00:20:14] Oh god, the guys are gonna love this that I get to say this in an interview

[00:20:18] So I have road margs is what I call them and it's, uh, I will

[00:20:24] and this is

[00:20:25] Filthy, but I'll take like lime soda water with ice

[00:20:31] tequila

[00:20:32] And lemon lime gatorade and that's just what's readily available all the time like no matter where you are

[00:20:39] So you're hydrating. I mean you're hydrating

[00:20:42] But we looked it up one night one late late night and apparently it's like the worst thing you could possibly do is have like a

[00:20:49] A hydrating sports drink with alcohol

[00:20:52] So I do not recommend that at home. Don't do that. How do you feel about Beyonce and country music?

[00:20:58] I think country music is cool now and a lot of people are gonna come around but

[00:21:04] I think she's a

[00:21:05] Incredibly talented woman and has every right to do whatever the hell she wants to do and I support it

[00:21:11] so

[00:21:12] And then a hangover cure. I mean you were talking about the road margs. That could be a two in one

[00:21:16] It is a two in one. I mean it really is

[00:21:18] Hangover cure also. I would say fried pickles at a restaurant with like a

[00:21:25] Spicy bloody maria

[00:21:27] with

[00:21:27] tequila instead of

[00:21:29] vodka

[00:21:30] Love it. Yeah, um, what's a guilty pleasure song that you have? Oh man

[00:21:35] um

[00:21:36] Probably like like a thousand emerald pools by what is it born? Is that the band name possibly

[00:21:43] Or it's like the synth edm like oh dude like synth pop is like

[00:21:47] Yeah

[00:21:48] 100% I'm with it. Your karaoke song go to karaoke song

[00:21:53] I

[00:21:56] Definitely not

[00:21:58] I don't know like maybe queen of my double wide trailer. I mean

[00:22:03] You know seminal wind, but we do that at the show. So I don't know that would be weird

[00:22:07] But well, thanks so much Shane for taking the time to talk with us. Yeah, I really appreciate it

[00:22:10] Yeah, congratulations on the grand alabra debut and the new album. Thank you very much. Appreciate it