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[00:01:45] Switching gears a little bit from country music, Matt Miller, second time on. Big fans, obviously.

[00:01:51] Matt, he's a country music fan. We'll get into a couple questions from the fans there.

[00:01:54] But the draft, obviously, I don't know when this will air, Wes, but roughly two weeks away from when it goes live.

[00:02:01] We won't bore people too much with this, but we both came from the Midwest.

[00:02:06] I'm weirdly a Vikings fan, Wes is a Bears fan, so we can talk a little Lions and Packers with the A-Rod stuff.

[00:02:12] But overall we can start with

[00:02:15] the number one pick. Mel Kiper just changed his draft, I think, to have Bryce Young going to the Panthers.

[00:02:20] One of our awesome employees and full-time writers who set this podcast up, actually.

[00:02:25] He's a Carolina Panthers fan to die hard.

[00:02:27] Die hard.

[00:02:29] So it was CJ Stroud, it was Bryce Young.

[00:02:33] You think it's definitely one of those two or you think some crazy shit could happen?

[00:02:37] Because I saw the Anthony Richardson kind of rumor out there for a little bit.

[00:02:42] I put money on it on...

[00:02:45] Right?

[00:02:46] That's why you guys wanted me on. You just want to pound the prop vets.

[00:02:51] Makes sense now.

[00:02:53] So I will say this industry is wild because we're trying to predict what 32 general managers are

[00:03:01] going to do and they're as human as we are.

[00:03:03] So they're beholden to change their mind, just like I could.

[00:03:07] So I'll say when the trade happened, when the Carolina Panthers traded up to one,

[00:03:11] everybody that you talked to in the NFL said,

[00:03:14] Oh yeah, it's for CJ Stroud.

[00:03:15] The only thing is I don't know how many people knew if it really was for CJ Stroud or not,

[00:03:19] but he was the hot name coming off the combine.

[00:03:22] I will say now, I never ever like speaking absolutes.

[00:03:26] I lost $1,000 on a bet a couple years ago speaking an absolute fan,

[00:03:30] which is stupid and I lost and I had to give him a grand.

[00:03:34] So 95% sure it'll be Bryce Young.

[00:03:38] You know, I was a hundred percent sure that Mack Jones would be the number three overall pick.

[00:03:42] And that's why I'm a thousand dollars poorer now than I was then.

[00:03:45] So you learn lessons, you know, like you can,

[00:03:49] everybody in the world can say it's going to be one thing and you just,

[00:03:53] they can change their mind.

[00:03:54] So I've learned to, you know, Hey, 90, 95%.

[00:03:58] It's like being a weatherman, you know, like, Hey, it's, it's probably going to rain.

[00:04:03] Yeah, it should rain, but there's a chance it won't.

[00:04:06] I literally had that in my notes, weatherman and mock drafts.

[00:04:11] I was like, does anybody really go back and go call you out and be like,

[00:04:15] what the hell is awful?

[00:04:17] Oh, they do. I mean, Twitter, Twitter. Yeah.

[00:04:19] Yeah. Twitter. And like, I don't know if they still do it.

[00:04:21] There used to be a website that graded the mock drafts, you know,

[00:04:25] based on how many picks you got, right.

[00:04:27] And I'm a hyper competitive person.

[00:04:29] I hated about myself. I have three brothers.

[00:04:31] So I grew up like everything's a competition.

[00:04:34] So if someone is going to like score things, I want to win.

[00:04:38] And so it's a really hard thing to, it gets into your mind a little bit of,

[00:04:42] man, if I get this wrong, even though everything,

[00:04:45] like all the information could tell me this is going to happen and it doesn't.

[00:04:49] Yeah. You're going to get people chirping a little bit.

[00:04:53] Maybe not so much with the number one overall pick, but

[00:04:56] is there any inkling with teams?

[00:04:58] Like maybe in the first round where it's like, you know,

[00:05:01] they've made it like almost public who they're going to like take,

[00:05:04] or maybe in the industry, it's well-known.

[00:05:06] Or is that always kept like pretty close to the vest?

[00:05:09] Cause the element of like, we don't want to let other teams know what we're trying to do.

[00:05:14] I don't know if this is true or not, but I was told that the NFL a couple of years ago,

[00:05:19] sent a memo around a team saying like, don't tip your picks because it used to be a thing.

[00:05:23] Like, I don't know. Can you guys remember? It was like,

[00:05:26] Genevieve and Connie is the one that stands out to me.

[00:05:28] We knew weeks ahead of time.

[00:05:30] It used to be like, they would have a contract done with those guys before the rookie wage scale.

[00:05:34] Right.

[00:05:35] Derek Carr was signed before the draft, you know?

[00:05:37] So I do feel like as soon as the NFL realized how big the draft was,

[00:05:43] something was done to be like, Hey, don't do that anymore.

[00:05:47] So I think there are times,

[00:05:50] like, I don't think I'm telling trade secrets here.

[00:05:52] There are times where I'll get like a really weird pick right in a mock draft,

[00:05:56] like pick 20 in the first round and people are like, how the hell did you get that one?

[00:06:00] Right. And it's just because someone told me, you know, and it's really,

[00:06:04] so much of this business, people think we are,

[00:06:07] you're like, my job is to evaluate players and to tell football fans like, Hey,

[00:06:11] your team drafted this guy. Here's what he's good at.

[00:06:14] The other side of the job is to be a journalist and to find information and report the

[00:06:19] information or sometimes use the information as background so that you get a pick right

[00:06:23] in your mock drafts and look really smart. But I think to your, like,

[00:06:26] to your question, to get something outside of the top five, like to really nail it,

[00:06:31] you've probably got someone telling you if not the exact player, they'll say like, Hey,

[00:06:35] we'd like to get this position. If it's going to be there.

[00:06:38] When I worked at bleacher report, we would do a live draft show

[00:06:42] and we wouldn't know who the picks were because they wanted us to like react and stuff.

[00:06:47] And I like, you can get, you can get pretty good at predicting like, okay,

[00:06:50] this guy's off the board. I know that team wanted to display like this position

[00:06:55] that, you know, you could kind of like pencil it together a little bit or puzzle it together

[00:06:59] a little bit. But you know, like if you asked me right now who the

[00:07:02] Minnesota Vikings are going to draft, I have no idea.

[00:07:06] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:07:10] I will get to it because a name I started seeing a lot was hooker and I just saw an NFL

[00:07:15] mock NFL.com mock draft and they had him go into the Ravens, interestingly enough, but

[00:07:20] will Levis is a story I just read about. I don't know where exactly a few, a few different spots

[00:07:25] posted about something unnamed executive said he's like bombing interviews and he's just like

[00:07:30] an entitled douchebag basically was the like premise of it. I mean, basically what he sounded

[00:07:37] like, the guy did not obviously you can get personal, right? Like these are people, right?

[00:07:43] So you sit in a room with him, you walk out, you could be like that guy. I don't, I don't want to

[00:07:46] have to deal with that. That guy like Kevin O'Connell, for example, the Vikings, he is very

[00:07:51] quarterback driven, knows how to, he might just be like, I don't like, like, I don't like the

[00:07:55] personality. I don't like the type of dude. Have you heard any of that? Is that true?

[00:08:00] That you cause I say a lot of that level, maybe for him, maybe or the Colts absolutely could.

[00:08:07] I think that's one of the spots where he could work really well. So I haven't heard anything

[00:08:11] to that level of like, oh man, he's entitled. So I did at the combine, I would intentionally try

[00:08:17] to go to like the right bar or the right party where GMs and scouts were at. And I ran into a

[00:08:23] GM of a team that needs a quarterback and was like, Hey, how did the quarterback interviews go?

[00:08:29] And he ranked them like Anthony Richardson, one, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, you know, they're both

[00:08:36] great. And then he said, let us would probably be like fifth. And I was like, what? So like,

[00:08:41] okay, talk to him. And then you see another guy and you're like, Hey, like I heard the quarterback

[00:08:45] interviews have been interesting guys. Like, yeah, man, let us bombed our interview. We don't know

[00:08:49] what's going on because everything you heard leading up to the combine was, Hey, this dude's

[00:08:53] great. Like he's a leader, super high character works his ass off. Like, this is exactly what

[00:08:59] you want to quarterback. I think like, so what I've been told and I didn't sit in any of his

[00:09:03] interviews, obviously what I've been told at the combine was that he was just really anxious.

[00:09:07] Like he wanted to give every answer the right way. And he was, you know, like tense and tight.

[00:09:13] And so you have that happen. And then teams are like, well, he kind of plays tense and tight. So

[00:09:17] is there something to that? You know, is he, is he waiting for everything to be perfect before

[00:09:22] he throws? And is he going to, is he going to like drive himself into the ground if he has a bad game?

[00:09:26] And to me, it sounds a lot like Carson Wentz, which maybe it's not, but that's the best example

[00:09:32] I can come up with where when everything was good, Carson was great. But the minute he started to

[00:09:37] struggle, he's like looking over his shoulder, like, Oh man, Jalen hurts is back there. Nick

[00:09:41] Foles is back there. And it just, it like, it really ended his career. So I think with Levis,

[00:09:46] you worry about that a little bit of, is he going to be able to rebound if he has a bad game and

[00:09:50] he's going to, it's going to happen. So how well will he bounce back from that? I hope that he

[00:09:55] hears all this and it puts a gigantic chip on his shoulder. And he's like, you know, I should have

[00:10:01] been the first pick. Watch me go because he is really talented. You mentioned Anthony Richardson

[00:10:07] being on the top of some GM's quarterback list. Do you think he has a realistic chance of,

[00:10:13] of being, uh, you know, maybe they're at two, maybe there are four.

[00:10:18] I think four would make more sense. I can't see it at two. I can't see Houston rolling with him.

[00:10:23] Not with the way they're, they're structured, but again, like crazy things happen all the time.

[00:10:28] I think what Anthony, it is, it does get hard to find a landing spot for him. Like we all know how

[00:10:32] talented he is and the potential that he has. It's easy to see like anyone could watch him.

[00:10:37] You can watch him walk into a room and be like, yeah, that guy's a good athlete. And, and it's

[00:10:42] obvious. So it could be four to Indianapolis. Uh, definitely. I think Shane Steichen that fits

[00:10:48] what Anthony's good at. We saw what Shane did as offensive coordinator in Philly with Jalen

[00:10:52] hurts and the development there and the way they, they really created a scheme to help him

[00:10:57] find, you know, realize all his ability. So I think four makes sense. Uh, Detroit at six,

[00:11:03] I don't think Seattle at five Detroit at six. I don't think they will go quarterback that early

[00:11:08] just because they like Gino and they like Jared Goff and they both teams were, you know, they

[00:11:13] were good teams last year. You know, they were on the cusp of being playoff teams. Um, but Detroit

[00:11:17] was Seattle was a playoff team. So I see them as these are extra picks. We didn't think we would

[00:11:22] have, let's get an impact player, but the Raiders at seven are pretty interesting with Anthony

[00:11:28] Richardson. Um, you know, Josh McDaniels famously drafted Tim Tebow in the first round when he was

[00:11:33] with the Broncos. So like, he's not afraid to go against the grain a little bit and take an

[00:11:37] athletic quarterback. And Anthony Richardson is a million times better as a pastor than Tim Tebow

[00:11:42] was. So, I mean, so that's the one I'll be watching. Yeah. I mean, wasn't there like a

[00:11:50] similarity? Cause a lot of people forget about Josh Allen when he was coming out.

[00:11:55] There was a lot of like, wait, what the fuck just happened? Who who's this guy? Right. There was

[00:11:59] like a little bit of that on the social media world and then now you look at him and I kind

[00:12:05] of the Richardson stuff, people like you go on Twitter, it's just like, oh, they show them like

[00:12:10] they show the highlights. And then other people are showing kind of the, uh, like his accuracy

[00:12:14] or this or that. Um, but the game has changed so much. Cause I was like going through just a bunch

[00:12:20] of stuff. And like that Tanner McKee from Stanford was like a statue and he's like, went to

[00:12:25] a Viking visit. Everybody's like, no on the Reddit channel, like, like we don't need a Sean Mannion

[00:12:30] backup version guys. So like they were just, the game has changed a little bit, right? Like

[00:12:35] whether it's just what you want your offense to be, but when it comes to analytics to switch

[00:12:41] to baseball quickly, bless his heart, we love him because DOS, he brought a championship to the

[00:12:45] Cubs. He was recently interviewed and he was basically talking about like intellectual

[00:12:50] intellectualism has gone maybe a little too far now in baseball. It's so driven by the

[00:12:55] analytics in football. It is a thing to quiz you with the Vikings, obviously background and,

[00:13:01] but you don't hear it as much. So are there things that fans don't necessarily know that

[00:13:08] from an analytics perspective are being looked at for a guy like a quarterback versus

[00:13:13] an offensive tackle? Maybe not as much, but is there any insight you have to that whole world?

[00:13:18] Cause it's pretty damn interesting. I think for football right now, teams are using analytics

[00:13:24] more to narrow down the pool, you know? So like there's 117 FBS schools. So, and then, you know,

[00:13:31] how many ever others there are out there? So it's like, how do we narrow this down? And so it helps

[00:13:35] that way. I also think we're seeing more things like with the intellectualism, you guys are

[00:13:40] probably heard about it. It's like, everyone's talking about it right now. It's called S2

[00:13:44] cognition and it's a test, you know, used to, we had the wonder lick where it's like,

[00:13:50] like an aptitude test almost. So this is different because it gauges more like what an athlete would

[00:13:55] need to use like spatial recognition, reaction time, you know, even instincts a little bit

[00:14:00] and players like Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Brock Purdy, like they've all done really

[00:14:05] well in this test. So right now it's that hot new thing of, well, he kind of predicted these guys,

[00:14:11] or at least even if it didn't predict it, it helped us say like, here's another piece to the puzzle

[00:14:16] and they're really good at this. And so I think that's where analytics are with football right

[00:14:21] now of, it'll help break ties or eliminate players more than anything more than, you know, it's not

[00:14:27] quite to the money ball part of, well, this guy can only, he does this one thing really well.

[00:14:31] So we're going to just ask him to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if that comes in football,

[00:14:37] where you see, you know, more role players, but I think it's so hard with a salary cap and with,

[00:14:42] you know, a 46 man active day roster, like so much gets hard and you need people who can do

[00:14:47] a lot of things. So I do think with quarterbacks, especially it's, you know, we've seen things,

[00:14:53] I think get more specific, not just like with QBR, but, you know, even evaluating Anthony Richardson,

[00:14:59] you can look and be like, okay, he's a 54% completion percentage throughout his career.

[00:15:03] That's really bad. That would be the, I think the worst ever drafted in the first round.

[00:15:08] But I think even the analytics of that is, okay, well, how many drops were there? How many

[00:15:14] completable passes did he throw? And you can start to look at those things and say, okay, well,

[00:15:18] maybe that 54% is not accurate. You know, maybe he's still not Patrick Mahomes, but maybe the

[00:15:24] accuracy is better than we thought it was. So I think that's where that the analytics also for

[00:15:30] size is probably a bigger part of evaluating right now than statistical analytics. It's more like,

[00:15:38] you know, height, weight, speed. You can look at, you know, tight ends who've been productive in the

[00:15:43] NFL. There's actually athletic markers that every one of those guys who've had like, you know,

[00:15:48] a thousand yards receiving as a tight end, they've all hit certain athletic markers.

[00:15:52] So I think that's also a big part of it right now. Very interesting.

[00:15:57] Yeah. I mean, I've seen like with some people like, uh, the Northwestern tackle, like his arms

[00:16:05] are too, like maybe a little too short. Like that's like the one not on him. And then like, uh,

[00:16:10] Kalyza can't see he's like a little undersized, but kind of Aaron Donald mold ask, like, so I

[00:16:16] think those are the kinds of things where people are like, well, he's just even Bryce young being

[00:16:21] a little bit short, like, yeah. Bryce is a good example. Is there any, is there anybody you would

[00:16:26] compare Bryce? I actually had that in my notes because it's when I like quickly look at it in

[00:16:30] my head, like around the league and I've watched him play, obviously we all have on that stage.

[00:16:36] And he's been on, it is a little different, no, like he's a little different. He's a little,

[00:16:44] like drew breeze. Is that like a guy? Yeah. But drew was kind of thick,

[00:16:48] at least for the end of his career. You know, drew was kind of thick, uh, same with Kyler Murray.

[00:16:52] Like I say, Kyler's short, but Kyler's thick. I mean, I dudes, especially lower body. I mean,

[00:16:57] he's, he's built, I don't know. There's not a body type comp for, for Bryce young. There's,

[00:17:03] I mean, really there's truly no one like that. You know, who's Doug fluting. I mean, like Ryan

[00:17:09] Tannehill is one of the more narrow quarterbacks I've ever seen in my life. I got, I interviewed

[00:17:15] Ryan and he'd been in, I felt like five years. And I could not believe how just like my shoulders

[00:17:20] are wider than his. And I'm not a big guy at all. I was like, what is going on here?

[00:17:24] So I think for Bryce play style reminds me of Joe Burrow because he's just so good in the pocket.

[00:17:29] He's so poised. He's like so fast. It's realizing what the defense is doing, just like lightning

[00:17:36] fast processing speed. But you know, Burrows like not small, like Joe Burrow. I always said

[00:17:42] like Joe Burrow would be the tallest guy you went to high school with. And he's a small NFL

[00:17:46] quarterback. So the fact that Bryce young is shorter than I'm assuming all three of us,

[00:17:52] like that's, you should see him stand next to Anthony Richardson. I mean, it looks like

[00:17:56] it looks like anything. He brought his son to work. It's it's wild.

[00:18:00] That's crazy. Yeah. What does he weigh? Like one 80? Is there something like that?

[00:18:05] He weighed at two Oh four, but there's no way in hell he played at 204 pounds.

[00:18:11] Wow. And he's, I would have loved for them to read five, 10 and an eight.

[00:18:17] Yeah. So he's basically about my size.

[00:18:21] Yeah. No, imagine like just put West behind center. Nick Bosa tackling West. Like how

[00:18:27] is that going to go? You know, like how many times I just grab my ribs.

[00:18:31] Well, that's the, that's the worry, right? It's it's the, it's not necessarily the

[00:18:37] though. I don't even know they might still do something different,

[00:18:39] but you would watch the old NFL network or like the training camp videos and they would put

[00:18:45] ladders up for like quarterbacks to get the arm angle, like higher. Yeah. And it's for a guy like

[00:18:52] that, it's like, yeah, you can, he can, I mean, whatever, but it's the beating, right? It's,

[00:18:58] can you that, right. It's not the height. It's though the weight is more of the issue. And also

[00:19:03] like, I mean, he is incredibly narrow. So, you know, a normal quarterback gets tackled. There's

[00:19:08] some thickness there to help. And Bryce had, I mean, he hurt his shoulder that should get

[00:19:11] it tackled. So that's kind of the like, Oh man. And it that's the crazy thing. There's really

[00:19:16] not anything to his game other than his size that you don't feel great about.

[00:19:21] Well, now that Vince said he's going to be a hall of famer because like all these like,

[00:19:24] well, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know. It's like, here we go.

[00:19:27] We overthink things so much in this business, you know, I mean, I can remember

[00:19:32] overthinking my homes and thankfully I clearly did.

[00:19:36] Josh Allen fan. Oh man, the bears definitely did. You were talking about that or maybe I've

[00:19:41] told you guys this story. So the year it was 2017, December of 2016 and Josh Allen and I

[00:19:48] were pretty close. He just played his first year at Wyoming, but he was eligible to come

[00:19:54] out and enter the draft because it had been three years from high school. And I had some good

[00:19:58] sources say, Hey, this kid would be the first quarterback draft that it becomes out. So

[00:20:02] Josh is asking me like, Hey, what do you think I should do? And I'm like,

[00:20:04] man, you're going to be drafted very early if you come out. But you know, it's December,

[00:20:09] a lot can change between April. So you got to make sure you're solid on everything. If you do this

[00:20:14] and he, I, I sure I still have the DM and he's like, I'm going to declare on this day. It was

[00:20:19] like the day of the deadline. It's like December 17th or whatever, or January 17th. He's like,

[00:20:24] I'm going to declare for the draft. And then the next time the coaches got to him changed his mind,

[00:20:29] but I was told like rock solid told the Chicago bears were going to draft him instead of like,

[00:20:36] and they ended up taking Mitchell Trubisky passed on Patrick Mahomes passed on to Sean Watson.

[00:20:40] That's a new story. I don't know. Going to take Josh Allen. And like, they were ready. They,

[00:20:44] like, they would have drafted Josh Allen at number three, or they would have traded up to two if

[00:20:48] they had to. But he went back to school. So isn't that real quick though? Isn't that sometimes the

[00:20:55] environment though? You can't, it's not a comparison you can always make the bears went

[00:21:00] through a lot of turmoil. So he, you, how many play they talk about like in business and like

[00:21:09] the richest place is the graveyard. Cause that's where all ideas go to die. Like people like have

[00:21:13] ideas that they don't act on them. They're dead. Like, you know, it's just gone like that idea,

[00:21:17] but it's similar with this. It's like, well, eh, what, like you don't really know you put

[00:21:25] how many NFL players that didn't succeed is because of like the environment.

[00:21:31] A lot, a lot of them. I've said this before, you know, not to shit on the Cleveland Browns,

[00:21:37] but at the time, it's like if Patrick Mahomes had gone to the Cleveland Browns,

[00:21:41] he would still be good, but we wouldn't be talking about like greatest of all time after five or six

[00:21:46] years as a starter, you know, or if Tom Brady doesn't go to the Patriots, if the 49ers draft

[00:21:51] Tom Brady, like he probably washes out, you know, because he just, he wouldn't have had an

[00:21:56] opportunity. So it is, you're absolutely right. Which is hard, you know, because everybody wants

[00:22:01] to know as soon as your team drafts the player, you want to know how good is he going to be?

[00:22:05] It's like, well, man, that situation matters a lot. So sometimes I feel like our information's

[00:22:09] better after the draft than it is before, because we can say like, oh, well, this player going to

[00:22:15] situation is perfect for them. They're going to do great.

[00:22:20] Caleb Williams, not this year, but next year, Sean Payne went viral with that clip before he got,

[00:22:27] he took the Broncos job talking about like, he's a type of player that's going to trigger

[00:22:32] potential lottery system one day because people are, how much is that? Like, that seems really

[00:22:37] confusing. Like, so there's all these quarterbacks in the first round potentially this year,

[00:22:41] but then they know that guy's coming. Yeah. And you're like, I think that's why I want to,

[00:22:48] right. So you have teams like the Atlanta Falcons come out and like, we're good with Desmond Ritter

[00:22:53] or the Washington commanders. Like, you know, we're going to give Sam Howell a chance. Sam

[00:22:56] Howell was a fifth round pick. And you're like, yeah, we're, we're rolling with Sam Howell. You

[00:23:00] know, let's, I mean, let's see what the Titans do. Like, do they, do they try to get a quarterback?

[00:23:06] They're at 11. Do they try? I mean, so you are always looking ahead. Like I am teams are,

[00:23:13] and it's funny how many next week, how many conversations I'll start having like via text

[00:23:18] about next year, because like the area scouts fun fact, they don't have a say usually in what

[00:23:24] happens during the draft. So they've already started to move on, you know, and it'll be,

[00:23:28] Hey, we'll like come in, you know, to the facility for the draft and watch in a separate room,

[00:23:33] usually from where the owner and head coach and GM are, but then like they're,

[00:23:38] they're ready for next year. So it's crazy how quickly they turn things over.

[00:23:43] How much does like an owner, maybe it depends on the team, but like, how much does an owner

[00:23:48] like really have an input? Cause I think I just read something this morning that said

[00:23:52] the coach of, I don't even remember the team and the owner were kind of button heads on.

[00:23:57] Maybe it was Carolina.

[00:23:58] That's the rumor. Yeah.

[00:24:00] How much do you think the owner really can push that or Jerry Jones, other than Jerry, who seems

[00:24:09] Jerry's the GM, he can do whatever he wants. It happens, man. It really does. You know,

[00:24:14] you hear horror stories of an owner, like mediating, you know, a debate between a GM

[00:24:20] and a coach and like, okay, well, the owner steps in and says, now we're doing this, you know?

[00:24:24] And sometimes it's the complete opposite. You know, the owner is the reason the Browns got

[00:24:29] Johnny Manziel allegedly. So I think the owner, I mean, we just saw the commanders

[00:24:35] just sold for $6 billion. So those guys are walking around with, you know, gold blind pockets.

[00:24:39] So they, I think if they want to get involved, they can smart owners don't, you know,

[00:24:43] I think the good owners stay out of it and just facilitate things. They were,

[00:24:48] if you can buy a football team, you are an incredible businessman or woman. Like you're,

[00:24:52] you're fantastic. Just do that. Like run the business side, $6 billion company. And

[00:24:58] you know, like hire the right people to do the job is that's the dream scenario,

[00:25:02] but it doesn't always happen. That was like, cause the bears,

[00:25:06] the whole thing with them moving to Arlington Heights and out of Chicago. And like they brought

[00:25:10] the guy in, I forgot his name from Kevin Warren. Yeah. Yeah. And he was with the Vikings too. And

[00:25:15] like their ownership is very, like, let's make the best facilities ever. They kind of stay out

[00:25:19] of the way. It seems like, and then they got all those for the, was it the first year this year?

[00:25:23] They did like the scoring chart for like NFL PA rankings. So I'm like, that's gotta help.

[00:25:29] Let's got to help my team with like free agents. Right. They see that and they go, Oh yeah,

[00:25:33] this is nice. The food is good and everything's good. It's like, but real quick on the GM or

[00:25:38] owner, I guess it was a GM. Wasn't it last year's draft? Cause they have the cameras right in the,

[00:25:44] in the war room when the Titans, when the Titans traded, it was like Braybill's reaction. Yeah.

[00:25:53] Those moments it's like, you don't even involve the coach when you're trading it. And they had

[00:25:59] no receivers. They were dying for a receipt and they're still dying for a receiver. It's like,

[00:26:04] seems a little bizarre. Right. Right. And that GM got fired mid season. Yeah. It's also like,

[00:26:10] how much did that play into it? You know, like, Oh, that guy's gone now. You know, like that,

[00:26:15] that probably didn't help the situation out a whole lot. And especially when you come out

[00:26:19] and your team's not playing well, you were just the number one seed in the AFC season starts.

[00:26:24] You're terrible. And the guy you traded, you're like watching him dominate in Philadelphia. So

[00:26:29] that has to factor in. And I think that's where we see power struggles. I'm not,

[00:26:33] not saying this happened in Tennessee, but I think that's where it's easy for a guy like

[00:26:36] Mike Braybill was one of the best coaches in the NFL to go to ownership and be like, Hey,

[00:26:40] I want to remind you. I didn't want that to happen. And now look, look at the fallout.

[00:26:44] The rookie we drafted with that pick is like, not, not where we needed him to be. And the guy

[00:26:50] we traded as one of the best receivers in the NFL right now. So I think that's where you could,

[00:26:55] you know, you could start to see, Oh, okay. That's why these teams don't get along.

[00:27:01] Yeah. Changing, changing gears a little bit. Jalen Carter has kind of been the

[00:27:07] talk of the draft in the sense of possibly, you know, a high pick, maybe arguably the

[00:27:15] most like electric prospect coming out and off the field issue shows up to the combine

[00:27:22] overweight. Doesn't really perform well. Where do you think he kind of ends up falling to?

[00:27:29] Like what's his like absolute kind of bottom floor as far as like where he's going to go?

[00:27:34] Yeah. Pick nine. So the crazy thing is like, we can, we can, we could run through like a laundry

[00:27:40] list of like, yeah, there's, you know Todd McShay reported it in like January, maybe a fade. There's

[00:27:46] some, there's gonna be some questions off the field and then, you know, everything comes out

[00:27:50] about the accident after that fact. So it's like, Oh, there's more than we, than we even thought.

[00:27:56] And yeah, I mean, the pro day was awful, but he was the most talented player on that Georgia

[00:28:02] defense for two years. And you know, they had five first round picks on defense last year and he was

[00:28:06] the best player. He just wasn't draft eligible yet. So talent, you know, kind of matters everything.

[00:28:12] And I think a lot of NFL teams feel like, well, we have a better structure, you know, he's not

[00:28:16] going to be going to class. You know, we don't have a 20 hour rule. Like we're going to bring

[00:28:20] him in and we're going to, we will be his life. You know? I mean, I mean, the Cowboys used to

[00:28:25] employ babysitters. I mean, they would sign a guy or draft guy and be like, okay, and here is your

[00:28:31] companion. He will be living with you and writing with you everywhere. Jalen Carter is not to that

[00:28:36] degree, but you know, I do think there's a belief that you can grow guys up. You know, it's okay.

[00:28:41] You're a professional now you're going to basically live at the facility anyway. So let's

[00:28:46] just put the right structure around you so that, you know, we can help you realize your potential.

[00:28:54] And do you think just all the other stuff going on was the reason maybe the pro day?

[00:29:00] So that was kind of the, I got was right. Um, I, I text someone who was there at the workout and

[00:29:08] they were like, man, this guy said so much going on in his personal life. He's grieving

[00:29:12] the loss of two friends. Now he's being told he's, you know, part of it responsible or whether he

[00:29:19] was or wasn't like the fact that that, you know, that they filed charges 30 minutes before he was

[00:29:25] set to speak at the combine was Bush league. You know, he's got to leave the combine and deal with

[00:29:29] that. And it's like, I imagine the stress of that on top of the grief, like, you know, okay. You

[00:29:35] had a bad pro day. It's kind of understandable. Yeah. Do you think, do you think a team above

[00:29:42] nine will take him very, very likely to do? Like, he's just so good. I mean, honestly, it's hard to

[00:29:49] again, pinpoint so much. We'll depend on what happens at the first and second picks, but

[00:29:54] you know, um, Seattle at five makes a ton of sense for him. You know, it's a need. They've got a great

[00:29:59] locker room. They've got a ton of structure. Um, definitely think the bears would love to have him.

[00:30:05] So pick nine, I guess 10 to Philly would be the only other he's not getting past him. I,

[00:30:11] I would feel very comfortable placing a bet. If I lived in a state where you could bet,

[00:30:15] I would feel very comfortable saying that he won't get past him.

[00:30:19] Speaking of states that can bet I'm in Colorado and the Broncos most, most, most recently. Uh,

[00:30:26] I don't know if you saw big cat, Barstool got a, they do the, the team photo of the

[00:30:32] coaches, right? They just had the thing. Yeah. Pay went viral for his bulge. Um,

[00:30:37] which I did not see that. I missed that. That was like all over Twitter. Um, there's like,

[00:30:43] um, that's like, well, that's why he's smiling, um, comments and stuff. But

[00:30:46] Sean Payton's back in the league, right? Obviously we mentioned him earlier with the Caleb Williams

[00:30:50] stuff, but now he's got Russell Wilson living here. Now it's different. Cause I went from

[00:30:54] the Midwest where I was getting bears games at NFC North and all that. Now I get the Broncos.

[00:31:00] Um, and it was just, I've never seen anything so horrendous in my life probably in all my years of

[00:31:05] the sports or NFL fan, which goes back to when I was a kid in the nineties. So it's like,

[00:31:11] do you think he's going to turn that around? Do you think he's going to turn Russell Wilson

[00:31:14] around? Like you got to assume it's going to be a lot better. Cause he already said like,

[00:31:19] Russell Wilson's like his like weirdos that are like in the facility, not happening opening

[00:31:25] press conference. So I'm like, I like that. Yeah. Closing down Russ's office, which was

[00:31:30] the weirdest thing I've ever heard of. He told players supposedly, I don't know if you heard,

[00:31:37] but like, yeah, follow some of the guys on Twitter here. And then supposedly like player, like,

[00:31:44] like fellow players were like, Hey, you want to like talk to your quarterback,

[00:31:48] whatever about something he's like, here's my office. Here's like the elevator.

[00:31:53] That's so weird, man. Never heard of it. So hopefully I think Sean will turn it around.

[00:32:03] He's just too good to not. I don't know if, if you could turn Russ around at this point,

[00:32:08] I hope so. Cause like what a tragic story that has been, you know, to go from never having a

[00:32:15] losing season, never missing the playoffs. And then you get traded, you like force your way out,

[00:32:19] you go to, you're like them or me. And they say, okay, see ya. And you go to Denver and it just

[00:32:25] completely falls apart. So I think Russ is corny and he's a little much at times, but you know,

[00:32:31] the dude's a hall of famer. Like I don't want to see his career in that way.

[00:32:36] Corny is an understatement. He has some of that.

[00:32:39] Broncos country. Let's ride.

[00:32:42] Yeah, man. It's so bad. And the Melvin Gordon screenshot, everybody took when he's staring him

[00:32:47] out on the bench before he got released. And it just, it doesn't resonate. I mean, I even heard

[00:32:52] stories on the radio here when people were kind of like finally turning, they're like, this has

[00:32:56] been a disaster. They're, they had guys from Seattle on all the time. And they were like,

[00:33:01] towards the end of his tenure in Seattle, there's like the Saturday night meeting or whatever

[00:33:07] Saturday meeting you might have you for a Sunday game. And then like visibly laughing other players

[00:33:12] when he was talking, like visibly laughing at him, you're like, oh Jesus Christ. Like

[00:33:17] Kirk Cousins is a nerd, but every guy in the bike, he's just like, I'll die for that guy.

[00:33:21] He's tough. Like, I like him. He's wearing chains on the plane.

[00:33:27] I don't know. There's a difference between being like, like a lean nerdy and yeah, exactly. Just

[00:33:32] be authentic. Yeah. And you're like, there are guys in the NFL who are at quarterback who are

[00:33:37] very different, you know, whether it be politically or just, you know, uh, like Andrew Luck didn't

[00:33:43] curse. They didn't matter. His teammates loved him, you know? So it's like, there are guys that

[00:33:47] can have their peculiarities and it's fine. But yeah, Russ, I mean, for me, I think the big thing

[00:33:53] was when a, when the linemen like weren't helping him after a sack and the backup quarterback,

[00:33:58] like goes at the offensive lineman and they're like, you know, screaming at each other on the

[00:34:03] side. There was talk of like back in the day, Jay colors stuff. Like you would just, the line

[00:34:10] of kind of sometimes wouldn't be helping him. You're just like, well, you can start connecting

[00:34:14] some dots, right? About a teammate in general. Right. And if your job is to protect that guy,

[00:34:21] then, uh, speaking of quarterbacks though, real quick, the Aaron Rodgers trade, is it,

[00:34:25] do you think it's accurate? Some of the news today was second round pick. And then next year's first

[00:34:31] round pick seems like that is, yeah, that's what I had heard. But it's like they, the Packers

[00:34:37] basically want an assurance that if he plays next year, they get something for that as well.

[00:34:42] It's like, you know, it's like, okay, if, if, if it's just for this year, cool. Second round pick,

[00:34:47] you can have him, but if it's going to be a, you know, two years, they just want a little bit more.

[00:34:52] I feel like, you know, getting burned on the whole Brett Favre situation that was just like

[00:34:56] this situation, um, 20 years ago is kind of crazy. So I do think they just want to,

[00:35:02] they don't want to cover their asses a little bit and make sure that this guy goes and wins

[00:35:06] the Superbowl. At least we have a first round pick to make up for it. And like you mentioned,

[00:35:10] Kayla Williams, like, we don't know how good Jordan Love's going to be. So you would really

[00:35:14] like to have two first round picks next year, whether it's Drake, may it North Carolina,

[00:35:19] you know, like next year quarterback class looks really good as well. So, and I Kayla Williams is a

[00:35:25] not a generational prospect, but he's like a once a decade prospect.

[00:35:29] So if you're not sold on Jordan Love, you're like, Hey, like best case scenario, you're like Philly,

[00:35:36] where you've just got two first round picks and a really good young quarterback. Uh, but worst

[00:35:40] case scenario, you've got the two first round picks that you can go replace, you know, the

[00:35:44] Hall of Famer that pushed his way out again. What's your kind of temperature on Jordan Love?

[00:35:50] Any idea whatsoever? I know that everyone there is like cautiously optimistic, but they're really

[00:35:56] trying to like temper expectations, you know, learn not like, Oh my God, we're gonna be fine.

[00:36:01] You know, like we're good. Uh, I think instead it's more of what do we have to put around him?

[00:36:05] You know, so that he can be successful. Um, that game, he came in last year and played,

[00:36:10] played pretty well. I think that opened a lot of eyes of, okay, like it's farther along than we

[00:36:14] thought, but when he was coming out of Utah state, I had a first round grade on him, like a late

[00:36:18] first, but I thought, Hey, like this, this dude could start. He needs some time. You know, he was

[00:36:23] one of those guys kind of like will love us actually. He only threw fastballs. Like there

[00:36:27] was no touch. It was all gas all the time. He's like a race. It's like a closer. It's like,

[00:36:32] I'm going to throw 104, but that's all, you know, and it's really good, but that's all I can do. So

[00:36:37] I think he's obviously had two years to try to figure things out, but on the flip side,

[00:36:41] like they have to make a decision very quickly about his future as well. You know, it's got

[00:36:46] a fifth year option decision coming up and you know, eventually a new contract.

[00:36:51] Do you think the Packers will take a wide receiver then in the first round?

[00:36:55] Oh man, I hope so. I, I hope so just for the absolute chaos. I hope so. And then I hope

[00:37:02] Rogers is on the Pat McAfee show the following Tuesday, just so we can hear about it. You know,

[00:37:08] like I don't need the 45 minutes, like, you know, rant about the darkness and being jaded and all

[00:37:14] this stuff. But, um, I would absolutely love that. That brings me to another quarterback,

[00:37:23] my Vikings question, because I've seen it everywhere. I was waiting Henning hooker

[00:37:28] all of a sudden now is in a bunch of mock drafts is going to the Vikings. I just saw the one I

[00:37:32] mentioned earlier, I think, um, with the Ravens maybe taking on NFL.com and then he's old. He's

[00:37:38] gonna, he's recovering from ACL Vikings. Interestingly enough though, apparently Kirk

[00:37:45] Cousins team offered a discount to the Vikings for a contract extension. They were like, no thanks.

[00:37:50] So it's like, I think they're pretty dead set on moving on after this year. Yeah. So do you think

[00:37:56] so do you think a hooker makes sense? Like, does he seem like the guy for Kevin O'Connell to like

[00:38:02] take or is it, is there some other, I think that's the way you got to go. Yeah. Like it's,

[00:38:08] it's that or try to trade up, which I will tell you, I've, I've heard that I've heard that they

[00:38:12] have been like trying to like pre-set up that call of, Hey, like we might be interested depending on

[00:38:19] who's there, you know, give us a call before you trade your pick basically. So I don't think it's

[00:38:23] out of the question that the Vikings would try to trade up and dream scenario. You trade up and get

[00:38:28] Anthony Richardson. He sits behind Kirk Cousins for a year and then you just like, you know,

[00:38:32] kill people in 2024. But I think Hinden, I like Hinden a lot. I really do. You mentioned, you

[00:38:39] know, two good points. He's 25 coming off an ACL injury, which those aren't like that big of a deal

[00:38:43] anymore, especially for a quarterback. I think the bigger thing is he's coming from a scheme

[00:38:47] that doesn't translate to the NFL very well. So it's, it's not so much like, Oh, he can't do that.

[00:38:52] He can't do this. It's we've just never seen him do it. You know, he's not made a lot of post-snap

[00:38:57] reads. Everything's kind of set up for him pre-snap because the scheme is great.

[00:39:01] He had a fantastic quote at the combine. Someone asked about like, Oh, your receivers were so good.

[00:39:06] And he's like, it's not my fault. No one could cover my receivers. Like that is such a good

[00:39:11] line for a quarterback to drop. It's like, well, yeah, I mean, my guys are good, but you know,

[00:39:15] he started to get the ball there. So I, if, if, if I'm the Vikings and you see the way the board's

[00:39:20] falling, it's like, right. We were not going to get one of the big four handed hookers. The next

[00:39:25] guy I would try to trade back a little bit, try to get some extra picks and maybe get him closer

[00:39:29] to like pick 29, 30, 31, instead of, all right, we got to grab them here at 22 or 22 or 23,

[00:39:37] wherever they are. Yeah. If they don't go quarterback, do you think they go cornerback?

[00:39:44] That makes the most sense. Like Deontay Banks from Maryland, Emmanuel Forbes,

[00:39:48] Mississippi state. It would love for Joey Porter jr. To be there. I just don't think you will be

[00:39:53] that. I think those are like the two clearly identified needs. It's really,

[00:39:57] it's a pretty good roster. I mean, they want a ton of games last year, obviously, you know, it's,

[00:40:01] it's not a bad team where you're, you're thinking like, okay, total rebuild. They're not the

[00:40:05] Arizona Cardinals. So it's, you know, you've got two good offensive tackles. You've got a

[00:40:10] stud wide receiver. So I think, you know, yeah, you could say corner. That's the one spot.

[00:40:15] That's kind of been a blind spot for them. And obviously the previous regime, you know,

[00:40:20] it was like, Hey, oh, you're a short corner with a character problem. Like, yeah, we'll take you.

[00:40:25] And it just didn't work out. Yeah. Mike Zimmer and his defensive picks. Oh man.

[00:40:32] Yeah. Trey, Trey Wayne, is it Trey Wayne? And he's like, he's like a hunting show,

[00:40:38] a hunting show or something. That's a hunting show. That's pretty sure he does like,

[00:40:44] hold on. Like I'm pretty sure I just saw something.

[00:40:48] But the Joey Porter thing is funny. Cause I go on Reddit and look at some of the teams,

[00:40:53] you know, comments on whatever. And everybody in Pittsburgh wants Joey Porter to junior to

[00:40:59] Pittsburgh. And then I just saw like a bunch of mock chefs where they're like,

[00:41:02] he goes right before Pittsburgh. Yeah. But the steam is always seem to get that guy though.

[00:41:09] You know, like everyone wanted them to get Najee Harris because Franco Harris,

[00:41:12] even though they're not related, they got him. And then James Connor before that,

[00:41:16] it was like, do you remember the videos? Like, Oh, he just has to walk next door to, you know,

[00:41:19] go from pit to pit and then they get Kenny picket. They somehow always get that guy that makes sense

[00:41:25] for them. Yeah. Oh yeah. Trey, real quick, Trey Wayne swaps fields runs hunting outfitter. Now

[00:41:32] like he's doing something with hunting. Nice. Good for him. I'm gonna have to look that up.

[00:41:37] I feel like a lot of people in Chicago here kind of want that offensive tackle from Northwestern

[00:41:42] Park Ridge guy, local. Yeah. Tough. Big guy. Right. Yeah. It makes it checks a lot of boxes,

[00:41:51] you know, for you guys. I did a, I did a podcast in Ireland this morning. I mean, I'm in Missouri,

[00:41:56] but it was the podcast was from Ireland and that's what they were like. They were all bear fans.

[00:42:01] They all wanted Scrofnsky. And it's like, this is so awesome. Like it's, it's exactly what I

[00:42:07] expected this podcast to be like. So no, I mean, he's a fit and that's where he should go. You

[00:42:12] know, he should go around nine to 13 probably. If you watch the game when they played in Dublin,

[00:42:18] when I played Nebraska, I mean, he was far and away the best player on the field. He just

[00:42:22] absolutely mauled people. So that would be, that would be a good fit. Kind of like the Pittsburgh

[00:42:27] Joey Porter one. You know, sometimes you see it like, God, that just makes too much sense.

[00:42:32] Is that what you think the bears lined up doing?

[00:42:35] Unless Jalen Carter falls to nine. I think Jalen Carter is like the dream scenario. I don't know

[00:42:40] if they dislike their offensive line as much as people on the internet say they do. I thought

[00:42:45] Braxton Jones played really well for a fifth round pick last year. Um, I don't know if you

[00:42:49] saw, I did a thing where like I compared him and Orlando Brown jr. Who just got paid like $20

[00:42:54] million a year. Braxton Jones is actually better. Like he graded out better. So it's, you know,

[00:42:59] there's, I think there's something to build on there, but you know, we're not into building

[00:43:03] every day. They could actually be like, Hey, this kid's not any good. We just got lucky because

[00:43:08] Justin Fields is so athletic and we want to upgrade, you know? So, um, offensive line is a

[00:43:14] very, very popular pick for them. I think they need defense really badly as well. So even if

[00:43:19] it's not Jalen Carter, you know, if someone like Tyree Wilson from Texas tech, the pass rusher,

[00:43:24] if he's there, I think he would be a good fit too. Yeah. I liked him a lot. He's big. He's

[00:43:28] kind of that Julius peppers model in a sense where he's like six, seven quick off the line,

[00:43:35] super long arms, really powerful. Yeah. He's a good player. A couple of last quick ones,

[00:43:42] B. John Robinson and going back to analytics a little bit

[00:43:45] back in the day, like when you saw guys like Adrian Peterson coming out or I was like,

[00:43:51] Oh my God, obviously that's a number one pick or top three or whatever. Yeah. And if the game

[00:43:57] has changed and for whatever reason, it's, you saw the Eagles, you saw a South front picking as

[00:44:03] Isaiah with the chiefs and they're making it work with these guys, these like shifty running backs

[00:44:08] that are just, you know, and then baseball doesn't really work like bullpen bike or a closer by

[00:44:14] committee, like never really seemed to work in baseball, but it's like the NFL seems to work with

[00:44:18] the running backs. And a guy like this, a lot of people are saying that he's like top five talent,

[00:44:23] maybe even higher. Yeah. But then I see mock drafts, having him going to the lions at 20 or

[00:44:29] whatever. So what do you think on him? I mean, he just looks like an absolute monster. Like he's

[00:44:33] going to plug in and just do it, but yeah, he's probably the cleanest prospect in the whole draft

[00:44:39] when you look at like on field, off field. I mean, he is to me, he's the only guy in this draft

[00:44:45] that in three years, you could say he's the best at his position. Maybe Jalen Carter, if Aaron

[00:44:49] Donald retires, but like he should be the best running back in the NFL. He's that talented.

[00:44:55] And as well as like nothing negative anywhere, like no injury history, no off field history.

[00:45:01] He's just clean, but he's a running back. So he's very hard to project it. Like 10 is probably

[00:45:08] the earliest to Philly. And then it's just anyone's guess. I think it will take a team

[00:45:14] saying, Hey, he's so talented. We're going to draft him. Like we don't even have a need at

[00:45:17] running back necessarily, or we're just going to draft him because he's, he's going to be the best

[00:45:21] running back in the league. So that's what makes him a hard player to figure out, you know, like

[00:45:27] who could take him because he's, I mean, he'll be better than a lot of starting running backs.

[00:45:32] Like immediately, it's just a matter of, do you want to, do you want to spend a first round pick

[00:45:38] on replacing your running back? That's what makes it tough.

[00:45:40] And that's just because of the off, like just the evolution of offensive, you know,

[00:45:45] it's just continuously the vision is becoming easier for them, right? Like the types of games

[00:45:50] more spread out, you know, so it's a little bit easier. And also, you know, like it's a passing

[00:45:56] league. I can remember. Yeah. Longevity is a big part of it. I remember talking to someone at

[00:46:01] Buffalo and I was like, you guys should draft a running back. They were like, why would we want

[00:46:04] to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hand? It's like, damn, that's actually a really good point.

[00:46:09] And I had not thought of it that way, but they were like, we, we have, you know, this quarterback

[00:46:13] that's unstoppable. Like we were fine running the ball 15 times again, we're not going to spend for

[00:46:18] that. We'll find a guy. And it, it really kind of opened your eyes to some of that, the belief

[00:46:23] process. There's other teams that say like, Hey, our quarterback is not Josh Allen. He needs,

[00:46:28] he needs help. And a great way to help him is a run game. So yeah, I mean, longevity

[00:46:34] salary, you know, a top 10 pick is going to make six, $7 million a year. That's, that's more than

[00:46:39] some teams want to pay the running back room period right now. So the economics of it can

[00:46:44] get messy too. And it's a copycat league, right? Where people are, they see what other teams are

[00:46:49] doing and they go, well, Dalvin is an example of you hearing about like, yeah, do we want to sign

[00:46:55] you? Kansas city, Kansas city drafted Ryan back in the first round and they replaced him with a guy

[00:47:01] that drafted in the seventh round. So it's like, you see things like that happen and it's like,

[00:47:04] well, this team tried the first round running back thing and it didn't work. And that seventh

[00:47:08] rounder who's making like 750 grand a year is their starter now. So I think that definitely plays into

[00:47:15] it. Yeah. You're a chiefs guy. What do you want to see them do? So I'm actually, that's a myth.

[00:47:22] I'm not a chiefs guy. A lot of people think that I know I'm a, I'm a 49ers fan, but which is either

[00:47:30] one. So they don't have any picks. So, so my wife, kids, brothers, friends, I'm surrounded by chiefs

[00:47:38] fans. So I think that's why people are like, Oh, you're a chiefs fan. Cause I go to chiefs with my

[00:47:42] family live in Missouri. Right? I, man, I grew up at a time where the chiefs were awful and the

[00:47:48] 49ers were like, they were a dynasty. So when I would turn football on on Sunday, it was the 49ers

[00:47:54] and the Cowboys were playing. They're like, well, I don't want to like the Cowboys. You know,

[00:47:58] they just, I don't know. I just never could like the Cowboys. So no, I mean,

[00:48:03] I get the chiefs question a lot. I think they need to get a wide receiver. You know, they last,

[00:48:08] didn't have a receiver catch over a thousand yards last year, other than their tight end,

[00:48:12] who's fantastic, but he's also 34 years old. So I think you have to start thinking about

[00:48:16] what does this offense look like when it's not my homes to Kelsey over and over again,

[00:48:21] you know, there's so many times where either late in a game or on third and long, it's like,

[00:48:26] you know, that Pat's going to find Travis and it's, he's got to who's that next guy going to be

[00:48:31] because at some point Kelsey is going to slow down. I mean, 34 for a tight ends pretty old already.

[00:48:36] Yeah. So I think it would be smart to start looking ahead there.

[00:48:41] Last thing I had, cause the news came out this week, Odell Beckham, the Lamar Jackson stuff.

[00:48:49] He obviously went to the, or Odell goes to the, the Ravens. Do you, what do you think is going

[00:48:54] to happen there with Lamar? Cause I've seen rumors about him going, getting traded before

[00:49:01] the draft to all teams we've even mentioned. And just in general, that whole thing with the Ravens,

[00:49:08] it doesn't seem pretty on his. It doesn't right. I can't imagine.

[00:49:14] It's hard for me to imagine Lamar and the Ravens working that out. It just seems like there's so

[00:49:18] much bad blood and I'm not one of those people that's like pro agent, like every player needs an

[00:49:23] agent. I mean, I don't know that you really do, but for situations like this to have an

[00:49:27] intermediary would be so helpful for them instead of, you know, Lamar saying, Hey, I want this.

[00:49:33] And there have to directly say to him, no, I think that that makes that relationship really

[00:49:38] difficult for Odell. I think a lot of people wanted to read into it and they might be right,

[00:49:43] but they, I think a lot of folks automatically said, okay, if Odell's going to Baltimore,

[00:49:47] Lamar's coming back, Odell got $16 million. I don't know if he cares who's throwing him the

[00:49:52] ball. You know, like they're going to get a quarterback in that. Right. And 16 million,

[00:49:57] when you haven't played really in like three years, right. Is a lot of money, especially is he 31?

[00:50:04] I think so. A lot of money for white receiver, right. Pro bowler, pro bowl quarterback,

[00:50:11] maybe, maybe, or, you know, maybe they trade Lamar to Indianapolis and they draft will love us at

[00:50:17] four. You know, I mean, there's, there's a lot of, a lot of different ways that could go.

[00:50:22] We've got a couple of quick fan questions. Who's one of your most underrated players

[00:50:27] in the draft right now? Oh my God. That's such a, I love that question, but it's so open-ended.

[00:50:33] I'm going to go Trey Palmer, the wide receiver from Nebraska. He is, you know, every year there's

[00:50:39] like a late round two, early round three receiver that just blows up. It was George Pickens last

[00:50:45] year. Trey Palmer would be my pick this year. He would look good on the other side of Justin

[00:50:50] Jefferson. Hell yeah. Yeah. He's a deep threat, like four or three speed. Yeah. Yeah. That'd work.

[00:50:57] And then we had another one. What's the better environment

[00:51:01] arrowhead on a Sunday or a turnpike tribute? Well, that's a chief's question.

[00:51:05] Yeah, I know. He goes there.

[00:51:08] I go to enough. Oh man, that's tough. So I did, you guys know I did turnpike at Red Rocks.

[00:51:13] Yeah. Right.

[00:51:15] I'm going to take turnpike at Red Rocks. It's hard because it's the exactly. And it was like

[00:51:21] the, I'll probably never do this again. You know? Uh, so that was like a, I I'm not an emotional

[00:51:27] person and they like come out on stage and I leaned over to my wife and was like, I might cry.

[00:51:32] You know what I'm saying? They'd only played like, they had played like at Cain's, you know? And then

[00:51:36] like, it was like their warmup. And then the next show was Red Rocks. And we were there the first

[00:51:39] night and it was like, you know, some buddies got us VIP tickets. So we're like down sitting

[00:51:44] with the families and stuff. And I'm just like, it was also one of those moments where you just

[00:51:48] kind of like when cool things happen that you as a kid could have never imagined like that your life

[00:51:54] is at that point. So it was, it was a pretty cool emotional moment. Uh, Isabel at the Ryman

[00:51:59] is a, is better than Arrowhead too though. That's like, that's a chills all over your body experience.

[00:52:06] Do you have a, anything else coming up on the calendar concert wise? Like who you see in this

[00:52:10] year? Um, who are we going to see? Oh, I got roped into a lot of like the last few years I've made

[00:52:16] everyone go to concerts. So now it's like payback. So you guys are going to love this. So my daughter

[00:52:21] wanted Taylor Swift tickets. So we're going to Taylor Swift at Arrowhead. My wife wanted Hozier

[00:52:27] tickets. So we're doing Hozier in like Oklahoma city. And then my nine-year-old son is obsessed

[00:52:33] with Metallica. So we're doing a Metallica concert. I mean, that's so nice. Yeah. Right.

[00:52:39] But like, yeah, I don't get to, we're going to try to hit his boy. He's playing in Fayetteville

[00:52:44] in June. Going to try to sneak that one in. But I, the last few years I've drugged them all over

[00:52:49] the country, seeing whether we were going to like, you know, under the big sky, you know, a glacier

[00:52:55] or going to Denver for turnpike. So I owe them a summer getting to pick the concerts.

[00:53:00] That's a nice little lineup though. Yeah. Me and Steve, they don't listen to this,

[00:53:04] you know, cause they're going to be like, Oh yeah, let's go home. Some more concerts.

[00:53:08] Me and Steve did a Taylor Swift at Soldier Field a couple of years ago. It wasn't bad.

[00:53:12] Our wives brought us. Oh yeah. Wife's really upset about that one man.

[00:53:16] It's a show.

[00:53:17] I'm like at one point, Wes and I looked at each other like in the can and we're just

[00:53:21] like completely blind and we're just looking at each other. We're like, this is not bad.

[00:53:24] This is pretty good.

[00:53:27] Somehow my, somehow my wife got us these like, this is a mistake. And I think it's the only

[00:53:31] reason they knew I would go there. These like all you can drink seats and it's like an hour

[00:53:36] before the concert plus. So you're lit before. I'm just like, yeah, this sounds fantastic.

[00:53:43] It's all you can eat. All you can drink Taylor Swift seats. So I'm going to be a

[00:53:46] handful that day. It's gonna be great. That sounds fantastic.

[00:53:49] I love it. Well, Matt, cool. Always awesome. We'll be following your updates leading up to the draft

[00:53:57] and hopefully we can catch up. I know you're a beer guy, right? You like the nice beers.

[00:54:03] Beer. Yeah.

[00:54:04] Yeah. Same here. So we'll have to hang out in person and grab a bourbon, but

[00:54:10] thank you for the draft stuff. Hopefully our teams do well. So

[00:54:14] yeah, I'll be, I'll do what I can to steer things your guys way.

[00:54:18] You know, I'm a huge fan. Yeah. I'm a huge fan of what you guys do.

[00:54:22] It's your Instagram is always like the top of my stories thing. So,

[00:54:27] so I love it. And you guys get me through when I need a break from talking about football.

[00:54:31] That's usually the first thing I do. And then for us, it's the opposite.

[00:54:36] I don't want to pay attention to music. I need to pay attention to football.

[00:54:39] So we pay attention. It works out. It works out really well.