JD Clayton

[00:00:14] Welcome back to another episode of Whiskey Riff Raff. I'm Shelby. My name's Quinn. And how was your week, Quinn? My week was great, which we're recording this, what, kind of middle-ish of April, and last week was Masters week. So I wasn't super productive because I was just glued to the television watching the Masters. Did you want Rory to win? You know, there was a part of me that did, there was a part of me that didn't. And I was watching, for the most part, with someone who hates Rory McIlroy.

[00:00:43] And I, you know, I think some people don't, some people dislike him just because of the way that he carries himself. But then at the same time, it was, I thought it was awesome. Like, the guy's been, the guy's had that weight on his shoulders to win the Masters for over a decade. So I was happy for him. Now he can just, might be scary. Rory might be going on a run here because now he doesn't have that pressure anymore. So not to overload the podcast with golf. I don't mean to do that.

[00:01:12] But you did ask if I wanted Rory to win. Yeah. And, I mean, I'm kind of interested in golf now. And I don't know much about Rory, but I just know that he's, like, Irish. He is. He's from Ireland, yeah. I mean, he doesn't seem like the friendliest. But, like, that doesn't make him a good person or a bad person or make him good or bad at golf. Well, I mean, a month ago or so, I think I wrote about Rory taking, you know, someone that was at a golf tournament watching him. He just, Rory just went up and took his phone because he was heckling him.

[00:01:41] So I think that that plays into the fact that some people don't like him because he sometimes does stuff like that. But then at the same time, like, it's good for golf people. I think they had crazy ratings for this Masters because everybody was tuning in to see if Rory was going to choke it away. Yeah. He tried to, but he ultimately could not choke it away all the way and ended up winning the Masters. And it was a big weekend besides the Masters. I mean, it was Coachella. Yes. Coachella.

[00:02:09] And it was also the boys from Oklahoma, big shows in Stillwater, which, I mean, neither of us were there. But it did look amazing. I did get offered a ticket. Yep. So did I. And I wasn't, I mean, I just couldn't rationalize the trip out there. Yeah. I feel bad. Shout out to Brian for offering a ticket to me. And it was just like looking at the flights and like trying to book a last minute flight now is just ridiculous.

[00:02:37] So it looked like it was one hell of a time. It was four nights or is it three? I think three or four. Three or four nights out there in Stillwater. And people were fired up. I did see, you know, we did cover a little bit where it looked like some of the older crowd was like maybe heading out a little bit early just because they cross Canadian ragweed went on so late. That's the thing about the stadium tours, though. It's like they'll have three or four openers. And then by the time the headliner is on, you've been in there like five hours.

[00:03:05] So it's like you have to be strategic about when you go in. Pace yourself. Pace yourself, alcohol and water wise. But it did look like a lot of fun. And something else that just happened this past week is the Pilgrimage Fest lineup dropped. That's right. Pilgrimage is a festival that happens here in Tennessee, but it's in Franklin. So I've been one year where Zach Bryan was headlining and that was awesome. It's much more chill than most festivals. That's what you told me. I've never been personally.

[00:03:34] I've only been to a handful of festivals. I think both of them were in Louisville. One was Forecastle. Another was Bourbon and Beyond. Funny enough, transition. Last time I went to a festival, I think, was Bourbon and Beyond, maybe. And John Mayer was headlining. And John Mayer is headlining Pilgrimage Festival. And so is J.D. Well, not headlining. But J.D. Clayton is on the lineup for Pilgrimage Fest this year. So that's how we tie it in. And yeah, it's a great.

[00:04:04] I sent you this, the announcement of who was going to play at Pilgrimage. And it just looks like a great show. There's an alternative rock. There's country. Is that typically what they go for? I mean, there's been years where it's been more country this year. It's definitely less country, but there are still country acts in there. Yeah. And then it's like country adjacent a lot of the time. So I like it either way. It's good music. Good music is good music regardless of what it is. And I can't hide my fandom for John Mayer.

[00:04:34] And I might even bring it up while we talk to J.D. today. So we'll see. Fair. And you haven't been to any concerts recently? No. Like this whole concert bit that we have built into the pre-show, maybe I should just ask you. And then if I have any concerts that I've gone to, then I'll throw them in. So again, once again, I have not gone to any. I am going to one. I'm going to go to the show this upcoming weekend to see Jack White.

[00:05:00] So it's not a country concert, but huge fan of the White Stripes and Jack White solo stuff. So it's at the Pinnacle. Going to go see them. That'll be awesome. I'm excited. But what concerts have you been to, Shelby? I've been to a comedy show. I saw Nikki Glacier at the Ryman. Oh, really? Amazing. So funny. She's on such a great run right now. Yeah, she is. The only thing I think I would do differently next time is drink a little bit. She was funny as is, but there's nothing like laugh.

[00:05:28] Like you just laugh so much harder after a drink or two. Yep. So that is the one thing I would change for next time. But it was on like a Tuesday or Wednesday. So it was like, you know, I only drink on the weekends typically, but I should have made my exception. Very responsible of you to do that. I try. I say that. And then, you know, the bottle of wine just gets popped open randomly on a Tuesday. Fair. Besides that, I saw Colby Cooper last week. He performed his new album Top to Bottom, which was awesome.

[00:05:55] I saw John Pardy perform a couple songs for his album release, which was pretty cool. And then I saw Luke Combs the other night. He played Category 10, the bar opening, and he did a well over an hour set, which was awesome. Yeah. And that place was packed. And his bar is really cool. If you haven't been, it used to be called Wild Horse Saloon. Yeah, I think the Wild Horse Saloon. And now it's Category 10, and it's pretty cool. Right there on Second Avenue, which is, I think, you know, not to start a debate, but

[00:06:23] I like Second Avenue a little bit better than Broadway, I think. I think it's just now going to be like an extension of Broadway. Right, yeah. I'm like, is Chiefs on Second Avenue, technically? Part of it is. Part of it. Yeah, it's on both. I'm like, okay. I'm like, if it is, then maybe I like Second Avenue. Other than that, what song do you have on repeat right now? Well, mentioning Chiefs, I have really been digging Hands of Time by Eric Church.

[00:06:49] I'm excited to listen to his new album whenever it comes out. And I don't know if it's a hot take or not, but I am a fan of the quote-unquote gospel era of Eric Church's career. I think that it sounds great. I was fortunate enough to see his residency at Chiefs. Yeah. And the portions where he brought the choir in blew me away. And I know that there's been a lot of stories about how that's, you know, people are upset that he's doing that kind of thing. I'm here for it. But maybe it's people that haven't actually been there to witness it.

[00:07:19] Yeah. Because any time that, or the one time that I was lucky enough to be there for it, it was amazing. So, yeah, I'm listening to Hands of Time a lot in preparation for the other seven songs to be released. That's exciting. What about you? Yeah. For me, Parker McCollum's new song, I think it just dropped. What's today? Maybe it dropped yesterday. Hope That I'm Enough is getting me really excited for his new album because it sounds

[00:07:43] very similar to the Limestone Kid, which he had a couple more Nashville, more radio country albums. And I think this one sounds very similar to his old stuff, so I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. And with that, let's just hop right into our interview with J.D. Clayton. J.D. Clayton, welcome to Whiskey Riff Raff. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, guys. How are you feeling? Feeling good. A little tired, but feeling good. Had a busy week in town this week. What were you doing here?

[00:08:13] We had a lot of video shoots, just some PR stuff that we've been kind of capturing to try to send around and had some rights, had some really cool rights today. And yeah, just trying to stay busy. Rights with anyone worth sharing? Well, sure. Yeah. I mean, always worth sharing. Today I wrote with a couple guys, one Jimmy Bell and then Brian Simpson. Yeah.

[00:08:42] I had a great ride. It was really fun and very, very unique thing we captured. So I'm excited to record that one. Yeah. Is that something that you set up ahead of time or does it happen somewhat organically? You send some messages, hey, I'm coming into Nashville for the week or. Yeah. I mean, so, you know, I moved back to Arkansas to be close to family while touring was starting to just like get crazy. And my wife and I have two little girls.

[00:09:10] And so nowadays it works where like I'll let my team know that I'm coming in, you know, or my manager will kind of tell me when I'm to come in. And then when she does, we'll try to just pack the week full of anything, everything, just to make sure that I'm staying busy and trying to write all the time. And yeah. You have a little fun too while you're in Nashville, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:36] And it was, this week was really cool because the band gets to come be a part of everything and doing video shoots and like performing songs. We did a radio show. Just, I mean, we have so much fun more on the road. I mean, you remember we've been at festivals together. Just, we have a really good time and I don't know, it's just, it's fun to get to hang out in town and not have to drive so far. Everybody's at their own space and, you know, Nashville's just a great place.

[00:10:05] And obviously we know who you are. We know your music, but I want to give the opportunity to people who are listening for the first time who might not know your name, who might not have heard your music before to kind of know your story. So if you don't mind sharing kind of like a Sparknotes summary. Yes. Yeah. Cut me off if I get long winded. Um, I am from Fort Smith, Arkansas, born and raised there and, um, kind of started getting

[00:10:34] into music during college. I stayed there for college and by my senior year, uh, had, um, a five song EP a year later after my wife and I graduate, we moved to Nashville COVID hits shortly after we get here. Um, I take a job at a landscape company and for basically the next two years, it was just me, Nico, Jose and Alfredo on a truck going around Nashville planting trees and running irrigation. And I'd be sitting in the back trying to write songs.

[00:11:01] And then I finally, uh, had enough to make my first album long way from home. And then I get picked up by, um, a big management company and booking agency. And I go on tour and, um, we tour hard for the next two years. And, um, then I go to my team and I'm like, Hey, I think we have something really special. I would love to record some new songs with this live band and capture our sound. And, and, and then we had blue sky Sundays.

[00:11:31] So now I am a dad with two kids and touring the country and trying to just, yeah, grow. And obviously, obviously the sound, uh, you just mentioned it, that's important to you. How would you describe your sound though? Cause I know sometimes it's labeled country rock. Do you think it's as simple as that or would you describe it in a different way? Uh, I don't know. Sometimes somebody joked once that it's like if, uh, Chris Stapleton did shrooms,

[00:11:58] but that's, I did not say that. Um, and, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Country rocks the easy out Americana, very easy. Um, it's just, I don't know, very, it's laid back. Good. It's the good kind of music. That's what I was like. Good music is good music. I don't even know if it's country, if it's not country, but I have you on like my, my bluesy vibes playlist where it's like, it's kind of like you and Marcus King. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:12:27] That's, I mean, there's a lot of playlists that have some of my tunes on like, um, uh, nighttime cooking, uh, playlists, uh, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's. Do you take that? Do you take that as a compliment? Sure. Yeah. Oh, I mean, you can, you know, if, if you want to set the mood with, with my music, you, you, you may, you can do whatever you want. Not to be creepy, but whenever I'm cooking dinner tonight, I'll try it out. Yeah. Yeah. Let me know. Yeah. Let me know. Um, I will. Yeah.

[00:12:57] Some could be, could be good. Yeah. Well, and you mentioned Chris Stapleton. Uh, I was wondering like, what, what would you say is the closest maybe musical comparison that you have? Um, and another way I guess you could put it is like, has anyone ever come up to you and said, you know, you sound a lot like this? Yeah. Um, I don't know. I've been told, um, like a cross between John Mayer and Chris Stapleton or, or Jack Johnson

[00:13:23] and, um, and Chris Stapleton or, um, sometimes Creedence Clearwater. I don't know. The good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my, my, I wasn't raised on country. My dad hated country. And, um, so it wasn't played in the house ever. And so the folks I grew up listening to were like early 2000s singer songwriters like Jack Johnson, John Mayer, Nora Jones, Amos Lee. And, and then it wasn't until I got to college that I discovered Chris Stapleton and kind of

[00:13:52] went down this path of, of learning about country music and learning about Nashville. And, um, so I really only had kind of a, I mean, I had a background in, and he also loved like the Beatles and, and CCR. So I had a lot of late sixties, early seventies, uh, rock music in my background, but I don't know. It's, it's, um, that's the nice thing about country music now and just music in general. It's, it's almost genre-less.

[00:14:19] So you can kind of do whatever you want and it's, it's just taking where we've come from as people. And then, you know, when we go in to make music, you're just cherry picking what you like and what you don't like and saying yes to this, say no to that. And, and then you have your sound and I think Rick Rubin, I always say this, but he, he said in an interview once that, you know, as artists, we're always trying to copy another artist and, and we work so hard to get there. And then when we get there, we fall short.

[00:14:48] And so, um, and then in falling short, we become ourselves. And so that's a really cool thing. No matter how hard any of us try, we'll never be, you know, insert country artists. Um, which is great. So you, you just be yourself. Makes for good art. Yeah. Now you say that you're touring a lot. Is that van life? Yes. Hashtag van life. It's real. How is that? Uh, is it a Sprinter? I feel like I did some Instagram.

[00:15:18] Yeah. Is it a Sprinter van? I mean, it's whatever is available. Uh, all the, I mean, there's tons of companies in town. There's, uh, whether it's a 15 passenger church van or Sprinter, you know, we'll take whatever has gas in it. Um, so I, yeah, I don't know. Um, it's, it can be smelly at times. Um, so, you know, it's just like you would imagine. Fair. Six dudes in a van. And you're going all over the place.

[00:15:45] Do you have any crazy stories from playing shows on random bars, clubs? Oh my gosh. I have, if we, if we had a fire going right here, I could, I could go for a couple hours. Um, off the top of my head, what's a crazy story? Like I saw you in Nashville when you played the Exident. Yes. That was one of my favorite shows. Oh, thank you so much. It really was. It was awesome. Thank you.

[00:16:12] From the opener to like, I, I, that was the first time I'd seen your show and not just play a festival. Yeah. Where you gotta like see, you know, your whole intro and everything. Um, very tame crowd, like considering like, I'm like, there's no crazy fan stories from that one. So I'm curious. I mean, honestly, the, the headline tour, um, that we did last fall, the blue sky Sunday store was, was like that. I mean, a lot of people were just genuinely happy to be there, be with their, you know,

[00:16:42] their family or their loved one that came with them to the show. So it, I don't know, it just felt so much like a family every night. Uh, it was really cool. Um, it's kind of tough, you know, in social with social media, you're not all, you don't always have a clear grasp on like what your audience actually looks like and who they are and the types of people that make up your audience.

[00:17:04] So I don't know to, to, um, get to be there in person and look out and see the types of people that are coming, you really start to understand, okay, this is, this is the, this is the type of person that likes my music or, you know, um, and, and thankfully it was just like a wide range of people, tons of, you know, sometimes it'd be a dad with his son going to his first concert ever or, uh, just, I don't know. It was great. It was really fun. So then where are the crazy stories from? Are they from festivals?

[00:17:33] Are they from opening for certain artists? Uh, you were trying to skate around the crazy stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're sticking, we're sticking with it here. I, I mean, we, we definitely had some of the festivals have been, I should have come, I should have come prepared with one. I need to think on it. I think that festival that was in Monterey, California was, was really fun and, um, and definitely crazy. I'm, let me think.

[00:18:01] Um, well, I'll just tell you like a logistic crazy thing we did once was, so I was living in Arkansas and the tour was going to be in California and we were following Brent Cobb and the first, so I drove over seven hours from Fort Smith to, um, Nashville, picked up the guys. The next day we had a show in East Kentucky and then that was opening for Cole Chaney.

[00:18:31] That was a Friday night. Saturday night was in Fayetteville, Arkansas. Um, and then the next night was in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Sunday night was Santa Fe, New Mexico. And then we had one day off to get to LA and we just drive in first time being in California. We drive in and play the Troubadour in LA. And that was like, wow. So in five days we had gone from East Kentucky to LA and that was in a van.

[00:18:57] And it was, uh, like the only way we could logistically do it was, um, we would just like play the show, then drive four hours, spend the night at a hotel till try to just spend the night like four hours, get some sleep. And we had hired this tour manager that, uh, had never been a tour manager before. And I, I come down to the lobby for something I can't remember.

[00:19:24] And he was just wired, uh, washing his clothes in like a little bit of one of the washing machine rooms in the hotel, which I had never even seen anybody use those before. And, and he was just like chugging back a Red Bull and we had to like leave in three hours. And it was just kind of one of those things where you're like, man, this is, I never thought it was going to be like this. This is crazy. Yeah. That's what road life is actually like. Yeah.

[00:19:51] I mean, it not some days, you know, when it's like our own tour, we, we get to, we have, um, some, some nice logistical days. But when you're chasing a bus as the opener, I mean, there's nothing you can really do because they're going to drive eight hours through the night. So you just got to make up the time whenever you can. And, um, so it can be a challenge, but it's really fun. Is everybody taking shifts driving or is there one, one person that takes it for the most of the time I drive?

[00:20:15] Um, but, but sometimes, um, yeah, if I, if I get too tired, like somebody else that, that run, the tour manager was doing a lot of it, which was nice because we could sleep after the show and he would take a shift through the night. Sounds like he could use a lot of Red Bull and get through it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Slim Jims and Red Bull is, uh, yeah, good way to get rocking pretty quick. Now, during your live show, you play, I think, piano and guitar. Yeah.

[00:20:44] Do you play any other instruments? I mean, play well? No, I can, I can strum a ukulele. You can play a harmonica. I can, I can kind of fumble my, I, drums were my first instrument. Um, and I played those in like, you know, youth group, you know, in the band and stuff. And then I, I was in the marching band at school and then realized that that was not cool and got out of that later.

[00:21:10] And, uh, kind of in high school started really getting into acoustic guitar, but I can play a, a, a, not well, I can play a lot of things. But my granddad was a banjo player in a bluegrass band. And so when I was growing up, I'd spend every Friday night over their house. And so I know a few things on banjo, but most everything is guitar and piano. Shelby might have a follow-up question about the banjo, but first. Okay.

[00:21:33] Is there any desire for you to just line up every instrument you can play and showcase your ability, uh, at a concert? If that doesn't make sense, I'm talking like lay them out. And it's like, Hey guys, strap in. I'm going to showcase the fact that I can play all these instruments. Like a Hank Williams Jr. situation. Yeah. Sure. I mean, it would be so fun to do that.

[00:21:57] Um, I mean, but I mean, he was the goat at that jumping over and grabbing the fiddle and being able to play it. That that's the thing. It's like being able to play other instruments. Everybody can, can watch a YouTube video and fumble their way through, you know, GC and D on a ukulele, but to play the instrument. Well, you know, I can't do that. I'm trying to learn how to play the harmonica on YouTube right now. It's, it's not as difficult. Like I just figured it'd be like easier, which is why I picked it.

[00:22:26] Cause I don't have a musical bone in my body, but like I can, I can't just pick it up and just start going. I need to like look at something. Yeah. Harmonica is, is, uh, is funny cause it's, it's deceiving. You know, you can, you can do the Bob Dylan thing and, and if you're playing guitar in the key of G and you pick a G harmonica, you can kind of make people believe you're playing harmonica.

[00:22:47] But to do it well and to do cross harp and be, you know, drawing notes and doing all the thing like, like catch a C core from old girl medicine show. I mean, yeah, that's, that's another, that's another level, you know? I do want to ask about your grandpa and a bluegrass band. Yeah. Yeah. He was a banjo player in a band called the Jesus man gospel band.

[00:23:10] And they would, uh, they would tour around the region of Arkansas and go to prisons and then feed the guys a barbecue dinner and play a bluegrass show. That's awesome. So sometimes Jesus, Jesus man, Jesus man, gospel band. Okay. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I want a t-shirt that says that. Yeah. We'll make one. Yeah. So is that kind of what inspired you to start touring and playing or was that kind of music? Probably. Always. I mean, no, it was, I was never, it was never like really encouraged.

[00:23:40] I mean, I came from a family that like I, when I went to college, I was a biology major and was planning on being a dentist. And like, that was the, that was the plan and was, um, fully prepared for that. But I, uh, my freshman year I was in a music appreciation class and this guy in the back raised his hand that he played guitar. And so after class, I just went up to him and I was like, Hey, if you ever want to jam, I can play guitar too.

[00:24:07] And, uh, we found out we were both in the same dorm and we started a little band called small town symphony in Fort Smith, Arkansas. And Starbucks on campus was our first show. And, uh, it was huge. It was huge. Both sets of grandparents were there. Uh, I think my aunt came. It was pretty wild. It got out of hand at one point. Um, no, what is it? Yeah. I was going to say, what does that look like? Somebody ordered two, two, uh, two shots. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he got caramel on his latte.

[00:24:37] We're doing good. Now I don't want to get ahead of myself because you just put music out. Well, I guess first I'll ask, I was looking at your tour dates and there are very few for this year. Does that mean a tour is coming this year? We, I would, I would love for there to be one. Yeah. So we're definitely like, um, going through that process right now, getting, getting, uh, all the dates together. So yeah, I, I really hope to, to, um, to do a tour this fall.

[00:25:07] Um, but, but like, I think to go where maybe you were going with the, we were already set to record new music and going to try to put out a bunch more music this year. And then, um, yeah, just kind of keep the, keep the ball rolling. And, um, it's a, this is a really good season right now for me. I feel like I'm just, um, I'm really enjoying the process and I've got my wife and I don't have another kid on the way so I can breathe a little bit.

[00:25:36] Um, so I've, I've been kind of in the work shed a lot and it's been good. So my, my mind thinks a lot in like how sports work. So is that feeling after you put out an album? Is that, does it feel like an off season type situation or? It's easy to fall into that. I'm trying to not let that happen.

[00:25:55] I think that's, that's, um, it feels, it can be easy to just put the record out and then feel like you can go on vacation or really the whole entire process of recording music is not even the beginning. The beginning is when you drop the album. And, um, so we've been trying to, you know, just keep sharing the music and spread it to new people that, that, uh, might like the music.

[00:26:24] And, um, but I think in today's market in this industry, you, you've got to be, um, you've got to be putting out new music pretty soon. The shelf life is unfortunately, I think the shelf life for new fans is, is pretty short. Um, once somebody finds music that they like, they'll stick with it for a long time and they'll go deep into the catalog and find those things.

[00:26:48] But, um, in order to, to keep growing as a new artist or developing artists, you do have to be kind of continuing to put out work. And so. Yeah, that is where I was going. Cause you just put out an album. Does that mean you were, there was more songs when you put out that album that you wrote that are making it to the next album? Or is it like, as soon as that one dropped, you start writing more for the next album? What does that write? Yeah.

[00:27:15] There's, there's probably a few that, that didn't get chosen that might make it, but I, I really, I really go into projects. Like they are like a painting almost and, and trying to think of the project as a whole instead of songs individually. And that helps me from a, I can stand back and, and look at the work as a whole and go, okay, this song really doesn't work. It might be a cool song by itself, but it doesn't work in this context.

[00:27:44] So that's really big for me is like finding what is the theme we're working with, with this whole project as a whole, you know, what are, what does it mean? What is, uh, you know, so I can go on, but that's, that's, uh, for some of the projects coming up, I just, I'm really focused right now on nailing what, where they're going to take place. What, um, who's going to play on it? Who is, am I going to hire a producer? What does that look like? Um, what, what do I want the sound to be like?

[00:28:13] Um, how do I need to structure the songs? Like even from like a, just a, uh, uh, vocal standpoint, like how high should the, my range be, should be a lower, should it, so that it's softer and like, um, you know, for more of like a, a chill vibe, do we need to go? I don't know. You can just go on for days. So I try to get a lot of those things, um, set in stone in my mind before I go in and like start working on a project. And that answers a lot of questions later.

[00:28:42] Um, about where to kind of go with this thing. Yeah. I mean, it sounds overwhelming just when you talk about it like that. I'm like, those are so many things that like, I didn't even think about that went into it. I mean, you know, it's, well, it can be as easier or as hard as you want to make it. There, there are, you know, uh, Bon Iver just put out a project and I read an article the other day. It was like, uh, Bon Iver did the most for his release. That was like the headline.

[00:29:11] And, and I, I think he did, but there are other guys that just like, like Turnpike, the album got announced on a billboard days before and it just dropped. And that was the biggest thing. So it can be done anyway and you can do it however you want. And the, this guy over here is going to do it different from every other guy. And it really doesn't matter. The whole thing is subjective. It's just art. And it's, what do you enjoy doing?

[00:29:39] Well, I, I really like going deep and figuring all these things out. That's what makes me happy. I like, I like treating an album like a painting and taking a long time to work on it. Cause it's fun. I enjoy the process. But there's some people who don't, they just want to get their songs done, come up with a cool album cover and we're going to drop it next week. And there's nothing wrong with that. It works for them. And, you know, I don't know if what's working, what I'm doing is working for me, but I'm doing it. I think it's working.

[00:30:06] I mean, it's working for both myself and Shelby, I think at least. So thank you. And we were going to ask too, it might be, you know, some of the stuff that you just touched on, but like, is there something that's, that you're working on that you're really excited about right now? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I'm necessarily ready to share, but I'm. You can hint at it potentially. I mean, it's, it's a project, but it's a, it's a small project. And yeah. So I don't know.

[00:30:33] It's, it's, I'm just in the, in the depths of it right now of like figuring out, you know, all, all the things I just talked about. I'm kind of working in a, in a document, just like trying to figure out where I want, almost like a moving Pinterest board. If you, if you were like trying to figure out what your look's going to be for a big shoot or a film, you know? Which, I mean, Pinterest overwhelms me. Yeah. Oh, it's, it's so, I use it all the time to like get, you know, set mood boards for different things. And it's, it's so helpful.

[00:31:03] Yeah. My wife uses it all the time and she's like, look at this board that I created for, you know, next Thursday. And it's like, I mean, uh, I, I, it looks like a good Thursday right there. Congratulations to your, your Thursday Pinterest board. But, um, well, I would imagine that you have a lot of thinking time as you're driving back and forth, right. From Arkansas and Asheville. Um, I mean, you could speak on that and then also like, you know, how is it living in Arkansas? Is that. It's, it's great.

[00:31:31] I mean, um, it's slow. It's very slow compared to Nashville. It's slow and steady. Very nice. Um, but yeah, I, you know, it, um, I work really well with a lot of time on my hands. Um, it can, it can sometimes send me into a tough place mentally. Um, but it's always proven to be helpful in the process.

[00:31:54] Like during COVID, you know, when I was working at the landscape job, you know, that's 12 hour days with guys that don't speak English. A lot of time to be with myself and my thoughts. And, and, um, I really wrote some, some fun songs I was proud of.

[00:32:10] And, um, I think when I, when I drive, I listened to a ton of music and I really try to process like, you know, all the way from the writer down to the guy, you know, playing guitar. Like what's happening? Why is this working the way it's working? What makes that sound so cool? What is it, you know, is it the mic placement? What, what kind of verb are they using here? Just anything. It's really, that's a fun thing for me to do and analyze.

[00:32:37] And, um, so I'd use that time on the road to either do that, write new songs. I write a lot just using my voice memo app and we'll kind of hum ideas into that. I also, um, listen to podcasts every once in a while. I'm not a huge podcast guy. I get sleepy and so as soon as that happens, I pull off and, uh, get something to drink.

[00:33:04] And then I'm blaring like cheesy eighties tunes to kind of get me going again. Well, might I recommend the whiskey riffraff podcast? Oh yes, of course. I, I will, I will, I'll, I'm going to just rock it on my way home to Arkansas tonight. Yeah. Just to plug it. But you mentioned paying attention to like all the details, like the guitar player. I'm oddly also a fan of your guitar player, Bo. Yes. I oddly am like obsessed with him on stage. Like I like love everything he does. He's the best. How did you guys meet and get connected?

[00:33:33] And I, I was playing a, uh, a whiskey jam, uh, funny enough, several years ago and he was in the audience. I had no idea. And the next day he was working at Carter vintage guitar. I walked in there to buy some pedals and he was behind the counter and he was like, Hey, I was at your show last night and I thought it was really good. And he's been my guitar player ever since. Oh, that's awesome. So yeah. I actually. That's a cool origin story there. Yeah.

[00:34:02] I saw a video of you guys recording something at Carter vintage. Yeah. Carter vintage. Yeah. We're, we're, we just did a couple of videos with them, um, capturing some of the songs from the album. Uh, and they're, they're such good friends of ours and I just love those guys and everybody that works there. And, um, they've always been really kind to me. So super pumped for those songs to come out. Very cool. Yeah. Um, so you said after this, you're heading back to Arkansas.

[00:34:27] What is like the just, just position of like your life in Nashville, your life on the road versus your life at home? I know you said it's slow, but it can't be that slow with two kids. Yeah. I mean, it's, um, I slow in just like the pace of life, you know, like, um, I mean, when I get home, it's, it is, uh, it's crazy. Like, you know, tonight it'd be brushing their teeth, getting them ready for bed.

[00:34:56] And then, uh, you know, either like before I left for this week, I was, the living room was just crowded with all my gear and I was trying to record a demo because I wanted to get it done so that I could just listen to it in the car and analyze it while I was driving. So it's, it's just, I'm just trying to make it work really. It's, it's, it is crazy, but, um, you know, my wife is a nurse and so she works long hours too. So we just, you know, sometimes it doesn't always line up.

[00:35:25] I'll, I'll be in town and then she's working the three days I'm in town, but then I'm leaving the next day to go on tour. And so I have a little studio on a lake and I just go out there and try to work. And, you know, thankfully we have, we have all of our family, uh, there to like help us and support us. And it's an unbelievable support system and they all, you know, believe in the, the dream and the goal.

[00:35:50] And, um, thankfully my wife, um, is super supportive of, uh, of my dreams. And, um, so it's, if we didn't live there, I don't think we would have made it through this, this season, you know, and, and I always wanted to be a dad. And we, we, we wanted to have kids young. And so it was a choice we made, you know, would I've, would my career have like, you know, gotten started faster had we not, who's, it doesn't matter. I don't know.

[00:36:19] It's, it's, I love it so much. And it's like, it's really been, um, it's really been fun to kind of, I can tell that I, I'm like growing as a, as a man and a person and that's seeping into my writing now. And, um, just in ways that, you know, you wouldn't even know what happened and just, you kind of, I don't know, you grow up. It's a good thing. Neither of us have kids, but we talk to artists who do.

[00:36:45] And I think, I think we talked to Cody Canada and that was one where he was just like, so happy to have his kids, like watch him and like just seeing like how proud he is of himself and then of his kids too, who have like also love music now because of him. Like, it's just like, would your career have started sooner? Maybe. Yeah. You never know. But like, I think you can't compare it to like the happiness of like seeing, having your kids side stage. That's right. Yeah.

[00:37:13] Well, and I mean too, you know, it's easy for artists to get down and be like, man, when's my time going to come? And am I ever going to make it? Will I ever be able to, you know, support a family or whatever? Or, and, um, you know, how cool though, regardless of I ever make it, whatever that means, um, how cool for my kids to be able to see their parent chasing their dreams and, and, and what

[00:37:39] they believe in and doing the job that they, they, uh, love to do. You know, um, there's a lot of parents out there who had to go provide for their families doing things they didn't, they don't really love. And, um, they, they grind in and out every day doing really tough jobs. And so I'm just grateful to be doing what I'm doing. This is crazy. We're doing a podcast right now talking about music.

[00:38:05] Though I'm sure, you know, if, if you would have become a dentist, right, uh, you know, your family and kids would have been just as proud. They probably wouldn't go and tell everybody that you're a dentist. Yeah. Um, but they would have had good looking teeth. I'll tell you that's right. Good dental plan. Yeah. It's always weird when I'm walking out the house and I'm like, if someone asked me where I'm going right now, how do I explain to them? Like I'm going to work, but like I'm about to go interview. Like it's, it's always so hard to say that, yeah, I'm working this weekend. Yeah. What does that mean? Yeah.

[00:38:35] This feels an awful lot. Like I, I mean, my bass player always says this, but he's like, yeah, we play for a living. That's we, we get to play. Yeah. And that's what we do. It's, but it's really important to, um, songs and music and, and the whole idea behind a concert is so important to our lives. And, and it really goes hand in hand with the people that do have to do the jobs that aren't

[00:39:02] that great, um, that they may not love the, somebody has to do those jobs. And it's pretty cool that our job can be there for them in those times. And when they're not at their job. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Or when they are and like, they need to put in some music to get through the grind, you know, whatever. That too. Um, yeah. That's a good way of thinking about it. I hadn't actually ever like connected those dots there. Uh, so that's, that's a good point by you. And I also want to ask, like, obviously you're busy with music. You're busy with being a father and a husband.

[00:39:31] Um, do you have time to hunt? I've seen pictures that, you know, you might've been a hunter or so. I make time. Because I know Arkansas, great duck hunting waterfowl. I don't get to duck hunt as much as I want to. I mean, yeah, as much as I want to. I, um, I got to make a duck hunting documentary with, um, some close friends of mine a couple years ago. Um, and, and that was really fun, but I just, it's tough because basically at the time, like

[00:40:00] in Arkansas duck hunting is, you know, uh, in December and January. And a lot of that in the years past has been when I'm coming home from touring and I just don't want to do anything. Yeah. And so I, I haven't gone out, um, but I've been doing a ton of fly fishing and that's been great. Um, because I've, I've just built some really good relationships with some, some guys in the industry and, um, when I'm not on the road or, or if I'm, you know, just getting

[00:40:28] off a show and they're, they're out kind of near where I'm at, I'll, I'll, uh, stay out a couple extra days and go fish and camp with them. And that's been really nice to like get my mind off of, um, music and the stresses of the music business every once in a while. I would imagine so. Yeah. Like in the same way that Arkansas is nice to go back to when you're here in Nashville, I'm assuming fly fishing is, is a very cathartic thing to do. Yeah. It's super therapeutic for me.

[00:40:54] And, and, you know, my dad taught me how to fly fish and my brother has recently just become an incredible angler. And so that's something we can do together. And we go as a family, we road trip out to Colorado to hike and fish every summer. And, um, that's just, uh, like a really special time that we get to have together. And, um, so do you listen to music while you fish or do you kind of tend to just listen to nature? I just listen to nature. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:23] I, I think I have, I have listened to music before, I think, but most of the time you, you don't really have the bandwidth to listen to music while you fish, because if you've ever fly fished, I mean, it's so intense with all the, uh, the things that are going on. I mean, you know, from just, I was out with, um, a few guys this last weekend in Colorado

[00:41:47] and, you know, we were fishing one stretch of water for, you know, almost 30 minutes to an hour. And you're constantly just, you're casting, letting your fly roll down. And then you're analyzing, all right, what's happening? Didn't get a strike that time. Let's, let's increase the amount of line we have here. Let's change flies. You're running three different flies. You're using weights to get it. I mean, just, you can be constantly changing things. So it's good to be really in the moment and be present.

[00:42:16] And when I fish, I try to always turn my phone off and just be there. And, uh, and it's beautiful. Nothing better than listening to the river. And I'd imagine a lot of attention to detail, right? Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Fly fish. And that, I love that about fly fishing. It's, um, I used to, I re used to really not like fishing, um, just with a spinning rod. And it was, it just was so boring to me.

[00:42:43] And then when I was like probably 12, I learned to fly fish from my dad and I just was, uh, hooked. Wow. There you go. Yeah. Thank you. And then, I mean, speaking of attention to detail, I have to ask when you first broke into the, you know, your music career, you were clean shaven. Now you're rocking what I think is a fantastic mustache. Thank you so much. That's very sweet. People that are watching through the video, they can see it.

[00:43:10] People that are, uh, listening, you know, via podcast, they'll have to take my word for it or just look. I'm assuming there'll be a picture of him up on there somewhere. I, I, unfortunately, I can't, I can't grow it in the middle. It doesn't matter. It's okay. Mind the gap. Um, but yeah, what is that? What is the mustache, uh, you know, upkeep look like for you? Oh, it's very, I don't do anything. I probably should do more. I, I don't. All natural. It's all, it's. Wow. Well, you see is what you get. I don't, I don't ever touch it. A little handlebar going?

[00:43:39] I don't even know. I mean, sometimes I, I don't, yeah. Is it? I have no idea. Accidental handlebar today. Yeah. I just, uh, all of the, uh, all the Mexicans had mustaches when we worked and I was never around anybody. And so I was like, man, I'm going to, let me, you know, screw it. I'm going to grow my hair out and see if I can, um, grow a mustache. And yeah, like a year later I looked like this. So I was like, well, this is it. And you kept it. I mean, yeah.

[00:44:09] Yeah. I mean, it's, uh, I don't know. How do you feel like it's a staple? Like you have to have it. People would be disappointed if they showed up to a concert. Oh, he shaved his wrist. I don't know. Have you seen those videos of like the kids where like the dad shaves it and they're like, they're scared of their dad. Yeah. Yeah. Those are so funny. I think if, I don't know, nobody ever says anything about it. I'm the first one. Okay. There was, there was one guy that at a, one, uh, late night after a show, he like, he was

[00:44:36] super drunk at the bar and he was looking at the five of us all lined up. Everybody in the band had a mustache. And he just goes, you're number one, you're number two. And I was, I got the last place for a mustache. So it is what it is. I just, in the moment it was right. I mean, I did have the, you said that guy was drunk. So he didn't know what he was talking about. Probably. Yeah. But that's when people are the most honest. That's true. I, okay. I don't agree with that. I don't know. I, I, I, that's what people say.

[00:45:05] I, I, I'm with you. I'm with you. And there are times where that's true and there's times where that's not. That's right. So it's a constant debate in my, like among my friends of whether it's true or not. Good point. Good point. I'm one of the types that just like gets kind of paranoid and gets really quiet. So that's not fun. No. That's me with everything but alcohol. Yeah. I try to play it real cool, which oftentimes gives it away. But not to make it. I, I, I all of a sudden become everybody's best buddy. Yeah.

[00:45:33] And then they're all like, ah, this guy is not my best buddy. Why is he hugging me? And if there's one thing about guys, regardless of whether you're drinking or not, they love like complimenting other guys mustaches. Like I see it all the time. Everywhere. By the way, thank you, man. I really appreciate it. It means a lot. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I may shave it though. Sometimes I've thought about that. What do you guys think? Don't shave it. Okay. Don't shave it. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I don't want to make it about me.

[00:46:02] Make it about you. No, no, no. Let's make it about you. No, no, no. Now you have to. Well, I mean, I've shaved a couple times like this year and every time I do it, there's an initial thought like, oh, okay. I look a little bit younger. And then it's like the next day I turn the light on in the bathroom and I, that all goes away. It's like, I can't wait to have my facial hair back. I can hide behind it almost. It'd probably be a temporary thing. I don't know. I'll, I'll probably, I'll keep it for a while, but there, there have been times where I'm

[00:46:25] like, I did tell my daughter, uh, like, I mean, she told her like two years ago, I was thinking about shaving it and I said, yeah, around Christmas time I'll shave it. And she, for some reason has never like forgotten that. And so she'll just, and she's so young, but she'll just be like, uh, well around Christmas time we're going to shave your mustache. Right. And this is like two years ago. I'm like, well, how do you remember that? I'm like, yeah, well maybe, maybe we'll see. I tell my boyfriend don't shave it all the time. So. Okay.

[00:46:55] Big fan of the mustaches. All right. Um, also we saw that you were at the sphere recently. Is that correct? Yes. I was at the sphere. Being everyone's best buddy. No, I wasn't being everybody's best buddy that night. That is crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. I, so I, uh, just in the last like three or four years, um, a good friend of ours, uh,

[00:47:23] Mike Harris that plays in old crow medicine show has kind of, uh, as a wide L wise elder, uh, or a wizard, if you will, has, uh, imparted a lot of grateful dead knowledge to the band. And we just have really grown to, to love their music and, and the whole, um, everything about it. It's just the vibe. Yeah. It's just amazing. It's, it's amazing from so many angles. I mean, I'm, I'm so interested in like just the, the business and the marketing behind the band,

[00:47:52] everything. It's just amazing. And, um, and we've become huge fans. And, um, so that was a really cool treat. We went out for, for Bo's, my guitar player, his birthday and, and got to watch. Um, and I'm a huge John Mayer fan and had been since I was a little kid. And so that super cool to watch him with that band. And, and, um, yeah, I mean, just, it's so amazing. It's just, it's more than you can handle really.

[00:48:21] It's, it's just so it's a lot. Which I, I, I know that I've seen videos. I was, I was supposed to go and spirit airlines didn't pull through for me. That's all I'll say, but, um, they don't pull through for anybody. And I learned that the hard way, but, uh, I've seen videos and it looks unreal and it looks like the Grateful Dead can really, um, I don't know, take advantage of it, use it as a tool. I also know that Vince Gill played there with the Eagles and he wasn't a huge fan cause

[00:48:48] he was like, well, the band just happens to be playing and the, the sphere itself is the main character. I mean, that's what it is. I mean, you're, you know, if I'm going to go see the Grateful Dead, I don't know if I'll, I'll, I would, I would go again, but I would rather go see him at an actual show. Yeah. I mean, you are, you are staring up the entire time. So, but if you haven't been, you gotta go. It's wild. So most, I mean, it's, it's really hard to believe that it is real.

[00:49:17] It's just, I don't know if my anxiety can handle it. That's where I was like, yeah, the whole, I was not everybody's best buddy. It was like, there were a few moments where I like sat down in my chair was like, cause, cause the seats are so steep. It really does feel like you are just sitting like this and it's straight in front of you. And then you can like look down at the next row. It's not like a, it's not like people going out like this. It's, it's very steep.

[00:49:44] So, I mean, I, yeah, I'm not trying to exaggerate. Like really, if you were getting out of your seat to go, to go get some popcorn or a drink or something and you like tripped, like, I mean, you could, you could go off the edge. I mean, it's like, it really is a steep climb, which adds to the whole, like, you totally feel immersed in this thing. You can't, you cannot look up far enough and see the end of the screen and you cannot turn to your sides and see the end of the screen.

[00:50:12] Like it is, you are completely immersed in this sphere of screen and man, some of the stuff they throw up is wild. Especially them. Them I couldn't do. But like Kenny Chesney's playing and I'm like, it can't be that crazy, right? Barefoot, uh, Barefoot Nation or No Shoe Nation. What is it? No Shoe Nation. Yeah, No Shoe Nation. That's what it is. Yeah, I'd imagine that's it. It's going to be smelly in there that day. Yeah. I'm like, is it just like you're underwater then? Like you're going to be like in the ocean? Like I can't, I can't be that trippy, right?

[00:50:39] Well, so, uh, on weekdays at the sphere, they have a nature program that is like Amazon rainforest and real water falls from the sky. Nuts. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's, it's intense. I can't handle it, but it sounds really cool. Like I want, like it's on my bucket list, I think, but. When, when Mickey does the drums in space. Um. I'm so jealous. Which by the way, if you, if you do go, don't, don't, there's an intermission. Don't go get a drink during drums in space.

[00:51:09] But we were sitting there and like, they have, they're like subwoofers like underneath the concrete that are underneath your chairs. So like he would like hit like a Tom and everybody would just be like, like, it's just insane. I saw them in Noblesville, Indiana. I don't know, maybe 2017, 2018, uh, in an amphitheater. And it was awesome. Like, and so that's why I was so excited to go to the sphere.

[00:51:35] Um, but I did see like the deadheads are a whole different breed. I saw a guy, there was like a couple rows ahead of us in seats that had, he had three seats and he was dancing in the three seats the entire time. So at one point we just went up and said like, Hey, like, did you buy all three seats? And he had bought all three seats just so he could have room to dance. Yeah. Which is like the cool, like not super financially responsible, but the coolest thing I think. Yeah. Well, he had a good year. Oh yeah. So he was celebrating, celebrating hard.

[00:52:04] All right. Let's dive into some rapid fire and wrap up. Okay. That sounds good to you. Sounds good. Um, I know we're already mid April, but what are your predictions for the rest of 2025? For me or just anything? For anything. It's going to be for you, for sports, for the country. It's going to go any direction you want. If you're a Razorbacks fan, I don't, we didn't even really talk about that. Yeah, I am. Um, I mean, I really, I would love to see the Razorbacks have a great football year.

[00:52:34] Let's say that that's going to happen. Perfect. Let's put that into the universe. What song do you have on repeat right now? Uh, break my stride. Uh, it's like a classic 80s. Uh, it's Matthew something. I can't remember his name. I'd have to look it up. I gotcha. Okay. Um, do you have any interest outside of country music that you're really into? Uh, obviously fly fishing. Um, what else do I do?

[00:53:01] I don't do that much. Matthew Wilder, by the way, you're right. Matthew Wilder. Dude, that song rips. Especially while you're driving. Oh man, I've been going on, I, I, I love to wake up early and go for a long walk before like a busy day. And, um, I just been throwing those into the headphones, going and getting like a cold brew and a bagel and just ripping. It's the best.

[00:53:29] When I think of like an 80s movie, like I oddly could see you like starring. I'm like that being like a song. I am a huge fan of, uh, oh my gosh. What's the, what's the name of Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Oh yeah. That would, it would be so cool to be in that, uh, be in that movie. Have you ever, have you ever seen wet hot American summer? No, but I've heard that that's a great movie. I have not seen it. Okay. I'll check it out. And then they, there's a sequel somewhat, uh, on Netflix where they did a series. It was like a TV show.

[00:53:59] Okay. And Chris Pine is in it. Okay. And he plays like this old timey, like this legendary rock and roll artist. Yeah. And you look a lot like, like Chris Pine. I'll show you, I'll show you a picture afterwards. That's a compliment. I think Chris Pine is a good looking guy. Well, that's very kind. Go to hangover cure. Okay. Oh, uh, oh, I thought that was another movie. I was just shouting it out. Yeah. Um, I just shout out random words. Sometimes I do.

[00:54:27] Uh, Coca-Cola in the bottle. It would have to be a bottle. Yeah. If you, if you can't find one, a can will do, but, um, a good, a Coca-Cola and a hot breakfast. From, uh, maybe Waffle House. I love Waffle House. It's wildly underrated. I was deprived of it living in Cal. I was born in, well, not born, but raised in California. Okay.

[00:54:53] And I did not know what Waffle House was until I was like 23, 24. Yeah. Now it's my favorite thing here. It's really good. It's so good. It's really good. In, in Fort Smith, we have this old greasy diner called Benson's. And then, so whenever the band comes through to pick me up on our way to like a West Coast run, uh, we always stop there. It's, you can't beat pancakes and waffles and you know, whatever. Um, yeah. Can you name something that's overrated?

[00:55:28] Water bottles. Water bottles. Like plastic water bottles? Or reusable. Reusable water bottles. Re, Stanley Cups. Fair. No, just kidding. These aren't Stanley. We're good. Make us something better. Let me, I, oh my gosh. I don't know. I gotta get better at like having these. The next, the next question is name something underrated. So if that helps jog, jog the brain. Quinn, what's something overrated and underrated for you right now?

[00:55:57] Uh, that is tough to be put on the spot. Overrated. See how it feels. Yeah. Underrated. Hot sauce. Hot sauce. Underrated. Well, I would put that in my overrated category. I don't, I can't do it. I would, underrated cocktail sauce for me. Ooh, I don't like cocktail sauce. Most underrated condiment on the planet in my opinion. Overrated? Oysters. Okay. I still eat them. Still love them. Yeah. Still gonna order them. Yeah, but. Huge fan, but.

[00:56:26] Kinda nasty. You see the guys that are just like, oh, get it for the whole table. Like, you know, I mean there's other, if I'm gonna, if I'm trying to like get full right now, that's not my first pick. Yeah. Still love them. Have you ever had a bad oyster experience? Yeah. And it didn't stop you? No. The, the good one that we just had though was we were playing, uh, luck reunion down at Willie Nelson's ranch.

[00:56:51] And in the artist area, there was a guy set up making arguably the best oysters I have ever had in my life. He would pop open an oyster, lay it on a bed of ice, and then he would reach over and in this fire was this metal cone and he would grab a huge chunk of, uh, pork fat, throw it inside the cone.

[00:57:16] It would start to melt and drip out of this cone and he would just like put it over all the fresh oysters and then he had this like lime sauce and would spray it into the, uh, it was wild. That sounds delicious. Unbelievable. Dang, I'm hungry. Unbelievable. If that's overrated, what's underrated? What is underrated? Um, a good pair of sunglasses. That's why you keep them on you. I do. Yeah. Um, yeah, there's nothing worse than being out.

[00:57:46] I mean, oh, you, we've been talking about fishing, so I'll use that example. There's nothing worse than being fishing and you can't see what you're doing because of the sun. Yep. So underrated, good pair of glasses, man. Uh, I guess you want to take the next one because I always ask the other one. So do you have any embarrassing onstage moments? Yeah. Um, just leave it at that. The defeat.

[00:58:12] It's been a couple of shows where you just bomb the lyrics in like the most crucial part and it was like, like it's really quiet and then you just completely forget what you're saying. Uh, that's a tough thing to swallow. We had to completely stop the song and then I wrote it was like, it was, yeah, it was, it was a lot. But then I was like, Hey, sorry guys.

[00:58:41] Like we're going to start right back into this and it's fine. People are very forgiving, but you're like, man, this was the moment. I'm so sorry guys. Yeah. Uh, that's why I had her ask that question. Cause I always ask what's the largest animal you could take in a one V one fight? I don't know, man. At my prime, I feel like I could have taken a bear. Oh, not a, not a big one. Okay. Not a big one. A cub. Yeah. A cub. A cub.

[00:59:09] But that might be kind of sad though. If you just, well, like let's say he's, I don't know, whatever the equivalent of like a 14 year old boy, like in bear form. Okay. You know, he's starting to get strong, but also. Not fully developed yet. Yeah. He didn't know anything. Okay. Kill this guy. Okay. Uh, not actually kill. You know what I mean? Well, and we always, you know, disclaimer, it would be in a self-defense. You're fighting this bear. Yes. Yes.

[00:59:36] Of course, it would not be you seeking out a small cub to beat it. I love bears. That's right. Good. Good to save yourself with that. Yes. And last question is, what is your ideal dive bar meal? So pick one shot, one beer and one dive bar food. Okay. I'm going to go a shot of Tito's with a lime and then I'm going to do a Michelob Ultra.

[01:00:06] Don't hate me for that. Everyone says that after they say Michelob. What's wrong with Mickey's? Yeah. I don't, I don't know. There's nothing. I, dude, every wedding I've ever been to that had those available, I'm like, man, this is a really good beer. So I don't know. I don't know why there's hate, but I, it's. We don't hate it. Every time I'm like, it has every, it's pretty good. Every time I drink it. This is a safe space. Okay. All right. Well, I feel safe now. And then a bar food. Probably a burger and onion rings. Sounds good.

[01:00:33] I've never had Tito's with a lime because I never like, if I'm going to take a shot, I was just opt for tequila because it's like, I'm not taking a shot of vodka, but I love Tito's. Yeah. Tito's was, yeah, my drink of choice for sure. Um, I think we always had Mezcal on the rider, um, because it was like a little bit smoky tequila. It's an acquired state and a taste for sure. Yeah. But I like that way better than just regular tequila. Cannot do regular tequila.

[01:01:04] Mm-hmm. But Mezcal's cool. Okay. All right. Well, thank you so much for being here. You're so welcome. Thank you guys for having me. I know you just put out an album, but we're looking forward to some more new music and your projects you're very excited about. And we'll talk to you soon. Yeah. Coming very soon. Thank you guys so much. Thank you.