In this episode of the OutThere Colorado Podcast, Spencer and Seth chat about an upcoming meteor shower you won't want to miss, the infamous 'Colorado Brown Stain' and it's impact around the globe, another wolf that was killed, a 50-foot-fall in dangerous terrain, how many people climbed Colorado's 14ers last year, our favorite state parks, and more.
[00:00:05] Welcome to another episode of the OutThere Colorado Podcast. Once again, I'm Spencer here with Seth. Hello. We got Tim over there in the booth doing all the video and the audio for today. And once again, a lot of Colorado things to chat about. A little bit of a midweek episode here per usual. A little midweek update in which will only take maybe a half hour of your time. Yeah, we don't get to talk about our weekends, but I do get to talk about what I did last night. Hosted Colorado Trivia with a
[00:00:35] up and down a nonprofit I work with. Fun. At 105 West Brewery, the new location there on Garden of the Gods. So first time there, man, I was impressed. Cool little brewery. And they have that whole restaurant area. Yeah. Which I was not expecting that. The food looked very good. Yeah. Original spot up in Castle Rock. I've been to that one and I've been to the one here in the Springs. Yeah. Good stuff. Hit me with some trivia, man. Give me a few. Come on. What's your best shot? Okay, here's one. What's the state bird? It's the Lark
[00:01:04] Bunting. Correct. Like on the fly now here. I need to just pull. We should just do a whole trivia episode. We should. It was fun because I could just like get all these questions kind of like I could provide the backstory to them. Did people do pretty well? People did pretty well. Yeah. Some questions were missed. I would say that I was a little bit surprised on. They don't let me make the trivia questions because they would be too difficult. Okay. Lark Bunting. I want
[00:01:34] how many people know that one. Not very many. People also misidentified the Stellars J. That was another one. Yeah. Honestly, that'd be a good addition. We need to add a trivia round. Like you get five questions. I get five questions. Five Qs. See who stumps who. Five Qs. Abbreviating questions. I'm writing down Qs. That'd be a cool segment. Yeah, bud. People could learn a little bit. We do this on the fly. People don't believe. Yeah. Yeah. I had someone the other day ask.
[00:02:04] They're like, are you reading off a script? I'm like, no, clearly we are not reading off a script. Yeah. But yeah, let's get into some of the news for the day before we get into some of these bigger topics. So I thought this was pretty interesting. So two days ago on August 3rd, Denver broke a record for the hottest August 3rd to ever be recorded.
[00:02:34] There's 148 years that Denver has never been hotter than 100 degrees on August 3rd. And it was at 102 degrees. So beat it by a little bit of a margin. And then maybe even more interesting is that on August 5th, today when we're recording, Denver tied the daily low record for the date.
[00:03:02] Isn't that crazy?
[00:03:24] The one-year pack. So killed up in Grand County, I believe. Yeah. Grand County. Was blamed for four depredation events involving a total of four calves. So yeah, something to note there. There was another wolf that was killed by Colorado Parks and Wildlife back in June. That one was blamed for like 22 sheep deaths or something wild like that.
[00:03:50] So yeah, so two instances in the last couple months here where Colorado Parks and Wildlife has made the difficult decision, as they say, a very difficult decision to kill some wolves. So, but that's enough wolf news for the day. Something I'm very excited about. Another quick news brief here. The best meteor shower of the year is about to take place this month.
[00:04:15] And it's a meteor shower that can send like up to 90 meteors per hour across the sky. Wow. Even cooler. It's happening during a new moon. So there's not going to be light pollution from the moon on that night. But yeah, the Perseids happening on basically between August 12th and August 13th. So your best bet on seeing these meteors is going to be kind of right before dawn on both of those days. Okay. Did I see it described as like a rain of fire?
[00:04:46] I've heard something like that before. And I mean, That sounds ominous, but also cool. Yeah, right? It is. It is one of those things too, where it's like, you know, I mean, 90 meteors per hour at maximum, really more typically on the average year, you know, between 30 and 50 meteors per hour.
[00:05:27] Mm-hmm. You know, every minute and 10 seconds, right? Sometimes you will see several going at a time. Very, very cool experience. Definitely a night to go camping, you know, or at least a night to find your way to a dark area away from a city. Yeah. If you can, I'll be watching it for sure. Yeah. What is that? The 12th. So that's, what date is that?
[00:05:57] Wednesday? Next Wednesday? Yeah. So basically next Wednesday morning and next Thursday morning. Got it. Yeah. Are the best times. But I mean, really anytime after night hits, right, you can probably spot some stuff, especially if you're further away from the city. But pretty epic. Did you say how long, did I miss you say how often or not this happens? So this is one that happens, the proceeds happen every August. Got it. So one reason why it's so popular is because August nights tend to be a little bit warmer, right?
[00:06:25] So it's a little bit easier for people to get out and see things without too much preparation. And the meteor shower, it actually runs from July 17th through August 24th this year, according to the American Meteor Society. That said, though, after August 13th with the Perseids, once it hits that peak, there's usually a pretty big drop off in terms of activity. It kind of ramps up to that peak and then there's the drop. Got it.
[00:06:54] But yeah, I mean, even this week, I saw one last night. Cool. So yeah, not hard to spot pretty much across the entire sky. You know, there's not really like a certain place you should look or anything per se. It's pretty much anywhere. Anywhere you're looking. How many every minute? 90 something? So yeah, so up to 90 a minute. Some reports say maybe more than that. Yeah. So that's...
[00:07:17] And it really depends on where you're at and if there are clouds and, you know, it's still like trying to predict activity weeks out type of thing. So it might fall short of that. But on the typical year, when there is some level of moon activity in the sky, about 30 to 50 an hour. So potentially 30 to 50 to maybe 90 wishes. Yeah. At that time. Right. Exactly. Lots of wishes. It's a good chance to see a shooting star for sure. Go make your wish. Yeah.
[00:07:47] Check it out. Wish upon a meteor. I don't know. Yeah. Wish upon a meteor. It'd be cool. I'm excited to see what type of long exposure camera shots. For sure. Photographs. That's what a camera shot is called. That's true. Photographers getting excited out there. Yeah. Nice. So that could be really cool. Hopefully someone sets one up above Bikes Peak where you can just see the mountain and see the stars going by.
[00:08:14] Here, I got one more news story here before we get into some of these more fun topics, we'll say. There was a big fall on the Little Bear Blanca Traverse. You heard about that? One of the famous traverses. Infamous traverses, maybe. Mm-hmm. Often described as the most difficult and most dangerous of the four, was it Grand Traverses or Great Traverses of the 14ers.
[00:08:38] Class 5 terrain, huge exposure, rock fall risk, route finding issues. Like, it's definitely one of those to watch out for. And you're up at like 14,000 feet, right? So you're very committed to this route. It takes hours to complete, even though it's like a mile or something like that long, a little bit more than a mile. So, but yeah, there was a fall that took place on August 2nd. Basically, a climber fell 50 feet while traveling that route. An experienced climber fell.
[00:09:08] A handhold failed, though. So when the handhold broke, that climber took that tumble. They ended up landing on a narrow ledge, though. So it kind of saved them from a bigger fall. A bystander that was up there, I don't believe they were with the climber. The search and rescue report didn't make it sound like they were together, calling them a bystander. But a bystander saw this happen and was able to render aid or reach the person, too, which is, I mean, that's impressive in itself.
[00:09:38] And then also render aid. Apparently, there was an open fracture on the lower leg that was causing, like, severe bleeding. So that reporting party, the bystander, applied a makeshift tourniquet, controlled the hemorrhage, and was able to really help with a positive outcome in this rescue. Obviously, severe blood loss is a very dangerous thing. But either way, this bystander called for help.
[00:10:07] Alamos Volunteer Search and Rescue coordinated with the Colorado National Guard to conduct a hoist operation using a Blackhawk. They pulled that rescue subject off of the mountain. Rescue subject apparently had pain measuring at 10 out of 10 after the fall. So a very scary situation and very dangerous terrain. Search and rescue team members also hiked up toward that ridge and on that traverse a little bit as well.
[00:10:38] So, yeah, ended up the patient was flown to a hospital for further care. They did also hoist the bystander off the mountain as well, just given the terrain and how long rescues tend to take and everything. So, yeah, scary situation, but positive outcome in a big way due to this bystander and then being able to tourniquet that leg and stop the bleeding or control the bleeding and being able to call for help even.
[00:11:07] You know, so important reminder to always make sure you have some sort of a means of communicating with search and rescue when you are in the backcountry. Let's get into some of these fun topics, though, Seth. More 14er news? You know what? Yeah. Since we're on the subject, let's get into some more 14er news first. And then I guess this is kind of a fun topic. We can drop people with the update here. I'm still catching up. This is a hot off the press, like breaking news.
[00:11:35] You can tell I'm, like, digging into my computer right now, educating myself a little more as I talk. But hiking use, you know, Colorado 14ers Initiative every year puts out their hiking use estimate report, you know, trying to estimate just how many people are getting out on the state's 14ers. And for 2025, they are reporting numbers down year over year.
[00:12:05] About 3%, I think is what they're saying. What's the total number of hikers? It is 256,000 days, they call it. So meaning, what is it? Hiker days. They classify as, like, one hiker on one day. So it's not to double count people or triple count people. Yeah, that makes sense. People going up, coming down, you know. Or people doing multiple hikes around the state.
[00:12:30] They're not saying 257,000 people were hiking. They're just saying that many hikes took place, right? Interesting to compare that to going. I just pulled up the report for 2020, right? The all-time year, the record year during COVID when people were getting out in record surges. Around 415,000 at that time. Wow.
[00:12:53] So, you know, you remember at that time, people were kind of predicting we're going to get back to, like, you know, some level of normalcy. And it's interesting, like, I don't know, as the years go by and as I see reports like this and I see that significant of a drop-off from that record surge, that unprecedented record surge. I have, like, I guess more, I'm, like, even more astounded by just how many people were out at that time. You know what I mean?
[00:13:19] Because, yeah, this, you know, the numbers this year, we could call that more normal. Yeah. I mean, that's about, to put it in perspective, that's about a 38% drop from that record high in 2020. That's wild. So, yeah. And let's see. In 21, they were looking at over 300,000. Don't have 22 pulled up. But last year, that was more like 265,000, I want to say. And so, again, this year, 256,000, you know.
[00:13:49] And CFI continues to kind of point to what they describe as, like, some volatility across the peaks where there's just kind of circumstantial things happening. You know, one year, Decalibron has that closure, right? That landowner issue up there. Yeah. Still, I mean, the road up to that is still closed, right? It might have, it might, yeah, it was closed for a portion of the summer. It may or may not still be closed. You remember stuff on Lindsay when no trespassing signs were posted, right? So, stuff like that seems to always alter these numbers a little bit.
[00:14:18] And this year, CFI is pointing to the closure up on Mount Blue Sky Highway for construction the past summer, right? So, they're pointing to that as a big reason for the dip that we're seeing. Again, that 3% overall dip. So, that's all the while, it sounds like their reporting use was up on some of the more popular peaks, including Bierstadt, Sherman, Decalibron, Quandary, and Graze and Torrey's.
[00:14:46] Similar level of hiking compared to Mount Blue Sky. Yeah. That makes sense. People that aren't able to climb that might be looking at some of those other easier peaks, less technical peaks. I don't know if I'm seeing any big grand announcement about the state of hiking on 14ers from the report this year. But I sort of gather this, yeah, just kind of this continued dip back to normalcy, you know? Yeah.
[00:15:12] And, you know, I mean, there's a lot of talk about, or at least I've heard a lot of talk over the years about the Quandary reservation system that came in place in response to that record surge during COVID. And, you know, questions of, hey, how necessary is a system like that as we continue to kind of see this return to some level of normalcy, right? But a report like this indicates that, you know, that peak is still popular. Yeah. People are still hiking it. People are still doing what they got to do to get on it. Mm-hmm.
[00:15:42] Evidently. So there's that. I think you bring up a good point there, too, with just like kind of the fluctuating access situation that's going on with some of these big peaks and how that you saw a lot of that really start to rear its head around the kind of the panic of 2020 when there were so many people on all these mountains. Yeah. Where all of a sudden there's, you know, it's been shifting kind of back and forth. Yeah.
[00:16:08] Like as the system's adjusted to, you know, what happens if that hits again and all of a sudden there's another big spike. That's a good way to put it. You know, yeah. If there's, you know, these systems in place now definitely account for any sort of surges that can happen. But, yeah, I think it's an interesting question to ask about. Like there's so much land management changes that came out of that time. You know, we saw this, the trend of what do we call it in the camping world?
[00:16:38] Dispersed reservation, whatever. What do you know what I'm saying? You know, like it's hard to call it dispersed camping when you still got to reserve the spot. Right. I don't know how they, I'm blanking on that. But that being one example, hanging like maybe before COVID there, but right around there. We talk about Blue Lakes down in the Southwest and, you know, permits potentially coming online next summer for that. Based on a lot of studies that were getting done around that time of big visitation.
[00:17:06] So, yeah. Kind of interesting to think about. And even too, like, while like the permitting is one side of it and like kind of that aspect too. You look at that example that I briefly mentioned there with the Decalibur on loop where that National Forest Service Road 8 was closed because of some of the construction that was going on up there. To kind of like make that road maybe, as far as I know, make that road and that parking area and everything better able to handle crowds. So, yeah.
[00:17:36] That closure did lift too, by the way. Okay. Or at least as long as it lifted as scheduled, it was supposed to lift on July 31st. Got it. And it had been in place since June 4th. So, yeah. I mean, interesting stuff. I'll be curious to see how those numbers continue to shift. Yeah. I've been looking forward to that report for a while. Yeah. Literally just landed in Seth's inbox. Yeah. You can see I'm just kind of digging into it. I'm literally reading it as I talk. What was the least... Don't say something terribly stupid.
[00:18:06] What was the least crowded range and how many people were on that? Gosh, I don't even have the breakdowns, but... Oh, yeah. That makes sense. Isn't it always kind of the more remote Southwest stuff? Yeah. Let's pull up the... The breakdown? Yeah. I could easily pull it up here too. For 2024. Bear with me. I'll beat you to it. That a boy. Yeah. So, looks like the least crowded range. The Elks? Well...
[00:18:33] So, the Elks had about 9,000 in 9,000 hiker days in 2024. Whereas the Sangre de Cristos... Look for 2025, my friend. We're at 2025. They don't... I don't have the... I got it. Oh, you've got it now. Okay. Fine. It's fine. Best estimate for the Elks in 2025 is 7,500. Dang. So, that's a drop. Sangre's 14,000.
[00:19:02] That was a big uptick for the Sangre's. Is that right? Year over year, that's about... So, before you revealed you have the better data. Yeah. I bet it has to do with... 8,500. I bet it has to do with Lindsey. Yeah. 8,500 in 2024. So, yeah. I guess it has to do with Lindsey, though. Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said, Elks, only 7,500. San Juan's, 25,000 hiker days. Goes up to... They put Quandary in its own 10 mile.
[00:19:32] Let's see. I don't know if I realize that. 10 mile range is its only 14... Yeah. Quandary. Best estimate is 30,500 on Quandary. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't know how that compares to previous years. I feel like with the Sangre de Cristos, too, more people are getting turned on to that part of the state. I think so, too. I think that's a big aspect as well. I think so, too.
[00:19:59] I mean, I've always called it, like, if you're on the front range, it's the closest thing you got to the San Juans. Yeah. Like, I just love the San Juans for just their jagged, rugged nature, you know? And Sangres are right on par with that. Yeah. Very pretty. Marvelous, marvelous mountains over there. All right. So, I've got something for you. All right. Trivia question. Have you heard of the Colorado brown stain?
[00:20:30] I don't know how to answer that. I don't know. It's probably not what you're thinking. I've heard of a brown stain. But it is, you know, maybe a little bit nasty. But, so, it is not too much coffee. Yeah. It is not what Seth's probably laughing about. Is this related to green chili? It is not related to green chili. So. Is this related to a slopper?
[00:20:53] Basically, back in 1901, a new dental student, or newly graduated dental student, moved to Colorado Springs. He noticed that all the kids walking around, running around, and a lot of people just had, like, brown stains on their teeth. He described it as, like, it looks like they're, like, caked in chocolate. I was going to say, is this Halloween when he's looking around? Yeah. So, pretty, like, wild stuff.
[00:21:19] At one point, it was estimated 90% of Colorado Springs children had brown stained teeth. Wow. And it was kind of this phenomenon where. Even in the dirt? Yeah, right. They weren't really sure why this was happening. And this dentist is, like, this is crazy. Like, I haven't seen this anywhere else I've been. He was coming from the East Coast when he moved here. So, he starts looking into this in 1901. His name is Frederick McKay, right? He starts digging. He can't really find any answers.
[00:21:48] People that live in the city, they're maybe suspecting that it could be due to consuming too much pork or having inferior milk. But nothing was really leading to, like, here's the definitive answer for why everyone's teeth are brown. That said, though, in 1909, he linked up with another gentleman, Dr. G.V. Black, who came to Colorado Springs to aid in his research.
[00:22:15] He was a renowned dental researcher. And they start looking into it more. And Black, similarly to McKay, is shocked by the situation that's happening in Colorado Springs, right? Here's a quote from him. He says,
[00:22:51] The way of writing back then. Yeah, described as, like, just like something that was really shocking, right? So, they start looking into this together. They were able to determine a couple things in this, like, first phase of this research. And this is between, like, 1909 and 1915.
[00:23:10] Basically, they noticed that whenever somebody had the brown teeth, right, that molted enamel was caused by developmental imperfections in children's teeth specifically. So, like, if an adult grew up and their teeth had calcified, their teeth didn't get brown, right, by being here.
[00:23:33] They also discovered that those with brown teeth had surprisingly very strong teeth that were resistant to tooth decay. You might know where this is going at this point. The children were actually otters that he was seeing. They were beavers that he was seeing. So, as this research continues over time, they're still trying to figure out, like, what is it that's actually causing this brown stain to occur?
[00:24:00] Black ended up passing away in 1915. And around that time, they started to think that it could be something in the water. Black didn't really think that was the case, but McKay did. And this was, like, an intriguing avenue of research for him. He caught a big break in 1923 when he went to Idaho to investigate a similar report of brown teeth on children.
[00:24:23] What he found out was that that town had changed their water source to a different water source or built a pipeline to a water source recently, right? And so what he essentially did was he advised the town to switch that water source and see if it helped, and it ended up helping. So he kind of was able to pound out that it was something in the water that was both in Idaho and in Colorado Springs that was causing children's teeth to get brown at, like, shocking levels, right?
[00:24:55] Years passed by. Eventually, he conducts some research in Arkansas in Bauxite, which is a town that's owned by an aluminum company or a town that was owned by an aluminum company at the time. And they, again, they figure out that, you know, something in the water is essentially turning people's teeth brown.
[00:25:20] The company wants to make sure that there's no chance that they can blame the aluminum on turning people's teeth brown. So they conduct some higher level research with some better equipment in 1931, and they discover that the water has a very high level of fluoride in it, right?
[00:25:40] So they've kind of pinned down what is causing people's teeth to turn brown, but the big question remained of, like, okay, how are people in Colorado Springs getting so much fluoride in their water to the point where it's problematic? As it turns out, fluoride is found on Pikes Peak and in the Pikes Peak region, and that mineral would erode, and it would get into the water system that way. I had a feeling this was going. Yep. I've heard little bits of that history.
[00:26:08] Very recently, there was an attempt to rename Pikes Peak as Fluorite Mountain. The attempt failed, but it all goes back to kind of how fluoride was turning the people's teeth brown and ultimately led to a major discovery that has impacted millions of lives around the globe. Basically, as this research continued again, right?
[00:26:29] So now that they've pinned down what it is, they got a hunch that maybe if someone wasn't given so much fluoride that their teeth turned brown, but they were given enough to harden their teeth, they could prevent tooth decay, right? And then essentially this led to Grand Rapids in Michigan being the first city to fluoridize their water.
[00:26:52] In 1945, 11 years later, there was a 60% drop in tooth decay among children. So now a lot of places around the country and other places on the planet, they have fluoride in their water. And it's all because this dentist moved to Colorado Springs and was shocked by how brown people's teeth were. The brown stain. I'll tell you, when you introduced this segment, I thought we were going to be talking about vault toilets or porta potty. We've talked about that stuff way too much.
[00:27:21] I thought we were going back again. Yeah, so there you go. Or I thought, you know, yeah, like I said, I don't know if it was going to be related to sloppers or what. All thanks to Dr. Frederick McKay. He moved away from Colorado Springs there to New York to kind of pursue other avenues of dentistry. He kept his research going though. And ultimately moved back to Colorado Springs in 1940 just before Grand Rapids voted to introduce fluoride into the water system. Ended up seeing the results of that study too. Right?
[00:27:49] Those results would have come out in 56. He ended up dying in August of 1959 at 85 years old. So, yeah. Good little bit of story there to end the show. History. Nice. History, history. Probably boring people through my history, but I found it fascinating. That's an interesting bit of history. Yeah, I was, uh. I had heard traces of that. Mm-hmm. Yeah, dude.
[00:28:13] I started looking into that and the more I read into it, I was like, this is like absolutely fascinating just because of the impact that it had and how it was discovered. And like, you know, you think you see, okay, there's a bunch of kids with like brown teeth, something like must be in the water supply. Maybe that's like really like it just needs to be cut out completely. But the way they were able to say, okay, maybe we don't cut it out completely. We save the cosmetic. Yeah, we refine it.
[00:28:38] We save the real benefit and cut out the cosmetic negatives. And there you go. Fluoride in your water. And your toothpaste. Science. Science. Yeah, I think. What else? Do we have anything else here? Real quick, what's your favorite state park in Colorado? I think State Forest State Park. It lives up to the hype, man. The largest. The largest state park.
[00:29:05] And yeah, I mean, it gets often referred to as like the mini. I've heard it often described anyway, as like the mini Rocky Mountain National Park. And that is the truth. 70,000 acres. Yeah. Massive. You got big, rugged peaks in there. You got alpine lakes in there. Dense forests of pine and aspen. And you got moose in the moose capital of Colorado. Going back to the 70s where they dropped moose in the first place. Yeah.
[00:29:34] Where they supposedly reintroduced moose in the state. All right there. And that's kind of where the biggest populations are. So you always have a decent chance of seeing moose there. That's just a beautiful, beautiful park. One cool offering they have too is you can do yurt and hut camping there. Good call. So it's like you can. All season. Yeah. It's great in the winter for snowshoeing and cross country skiing. And I think it maybe suffers a little bit in the name. Yeah. Right. You know, it's like such a generic, like. It's a boring name. What is that?
[00:30:04] Like a research site, you know? Yeah. State forest. I don't know. It's a. Yeah. It's great. It's a boring name. Over by Walden in the northwest part of the state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Man, I'm going to pick one too that. I don't know how to put this, but maybe suffers a little bit from its name as well, even though I don't think that should be the case at all whatsoever. I need to clarify that. But Lake Pueblo State Park. A lot of people don't associate Pueblo with outdoor recreation. You know, it's a little bit further away from the mountains.
[00:30:34] So people might assume like there's not much outdoor recreation in Pueblo. They're very wrong. Lake Pueblo State Park is a very cool spot right on the front range. Awesome spot to go rent a boat for the day and just cruise around. Cool trails in the area too. Yeah. Cool little coves to explore. I've said it many times. I always speak highly of Pueblo because I really have a, I always have a fun time when I'm down there. Good food. I know you love the food down there too, where you can find some amazing, amazing sloppers,
[00:31:03] amazing green chili. Everything I've eaten there. Yeah. Very. Yeah. So, but yeah, I'm going to say Lake Pueblo State Park is probably one of my favorite state parks just because it gives you a little bit of a, a little bit of a different experience than what you get in most places in Colorado. And it is, for sure. It is kind of like in that, that flatter part of the state for sure. So it's like there's mountains you can see in the distance, but you're in a different environment. And it's just, I think because it's unique in that way, that's, that's going to be my pick.
[00:31:32] A water life that we don't typically get to live in Colorado. And you know, I'm glad you mentioned the trails because do not overlook the trails at Lake Pueblo. Mountain bikers sure don't. Mountain bikers know, know what's good there. Like that's, that's some quality, pretty much year round riding in that dry part of the state. Yeah. Great trails. Great for running too. Good running trails. A little bit warmer too. Yeah. Warm. I was going to like, maybe a little too warm in the summer. Yeah. Like in the fall and again, in the winter, you can, you can ride down there in the winter, you know?
[00:32:02] So there's a swim beach too. Yep. Yeah. So you can, you can do that. You can paddleboard and kayak. Motorized boats are allowed. So you'll see some pretty big boats down there too. But make sure that, I will say people going to Lake Pueblo, be cautious of the winds. On windy days, Pueblo can get kind of scraped with, with winds. So always wear your life jacket. It's dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. But cool. I think shout out for our favorite state parks. Yeah. Shout out to our favorite state parks. We should keep talking about state parks one of these days.
[00:32:32] I've got, I've got several more that I want to mention, but. Let's do it. Maybe we, maybe we say. Yeah. We'll do a trivia segment. We'll do a state park segment. I like it. Cool. All right, brother. Yeah. I think that's about it for this midweek update. We'll, we'll see you again on Monday. Indeed. Yeah. Until next time. I'm Spencer. I'm Seth. See you out there. See you. See you. Bye.