In this episode of the OutThere Colorado Podcast, Spencer and Sam chat about recent snow, a death that occurred on a Colorado 14er, a rock star who got his dog snatched by a coyote, bear activity and hibernation, & more.
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[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, cool. And we're live. This is the OutThere Colorado Podcast. I'm Spencer McKee and I'm here with Sam today.
[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And we got some Colorado news and other conversation to bring you.
[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, gonna talk about snow, gonna talk about bears being very active around the state and a couple of recent incidents is there.
[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a climber death on a 14er recently so gonna cover that.
[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Then chat about a rock star's dog who was snatched up by a coyote.
[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you're gonna have to wait to see the fate of that dog which was described as a little bit fat.
[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then also, yeah, talking about the ice castles. So, yeah, let's get into it.
[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, first snow of the state. First significant snowfall around the state this weekend, this past weekend.
[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Some spots kind of out by Leadville got about 12 inches of snow.
[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So, a little bit southwest of Leadville or southeast of Leadville I think.
[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: About 12 inches of snow.
[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Originally the forecast was calling for double digits so that proved to be true in most cases.
[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: One place where it did not necessarily prove to be true was Pike's Peak which was originally forecast to get 20 plus inches.
[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Downgraded that a little bit in the forecast but ultimately got about I think 3 to 4 inches.
[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was probably the peak that people were paying attention to the most just because the Pike's Peak Ascent and Marathon weekend was going on during all that snow.
[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I ran the ascent or kind of made an attempt at running the ascent, you know.
[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Got a few miles. Got some quality running miles in.
[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is my fourth running of the ascent.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I trained the least this year and it proved to be as miserable as expected.
[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I was going to die on the mountain at certain points there.
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Just the altitude sickness and hydration.
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I was at a non-profit event the night before.
[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Had a couple beers there so that was probably not the best decision.
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a struggle you know.
[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's 13 miles uphill almost 8,000 feet again.
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you're just running up the whole time.
[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but even though I was struggling weather was great on Saturday.
[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely amazing.
[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably the best weather the four times have done it.
[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sunday though different story.
[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Saturday night snow storms moved in.
[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Lot of rain, lot of precipitation.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So much so that they ended up shortening the Marathon link.
[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think for the first time ever and it's been going on since 50s I want to say.
[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's wild.
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it started out as a challenge between the smokers and non-smokers to see who could make it up the mountain the fastest.
[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how the ascent started.
[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it has roots.
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: That's like minute to core.
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes me, I like that.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of funny so I have no one smoking on the course nowadays.
[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so they shortened it and ended up being a little bit over 15 miles.
[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one thing that obviously it drew a bit of criticism with the shortening of the race.
[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people, you know, they travel from around the world potentially to participate in what's probably one of the most difficult marathons on the planet.
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's sort of running through a desert.
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine much, much that's more difficult.
[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 26 miles.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Super strength.
[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 8000 feet again.
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Get up to the top of the summit after 13 miles.
[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He turned around and sprint downhill.
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've watched the videos of people running downhill.
[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The legend, Matt Carpenter running down Pikes Peak is like truly something you have to witness.
[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he books it down that thing.
[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Matt Carpenter and Willem to put it in perspective too.
[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So this dude's won a ton of these races.
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a local also.
[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: His record for the ascent is crazy.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Marathon's crazy.
[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And he still has it, right?
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm trying to find...
[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, here's his record setting marathon time for up and down the mountain is three hours and 16 minutes and 39 seconds.
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And to put that in perspective, I think the first year I did the ascent, I trained a ton.
[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I made it up in about three hours and five minutes, which was pretty quick.
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think I broke the top 100 maybe of the 1700 people doing it.
[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's just going up and he's going up and down three hours and 16 minutes.
[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely crazy.
[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't stress it enough.
[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: You got to see the YouTube video of him just like his feet just fall around the rocks while he's just moving down the whole time.
[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like semi-controlled falling.
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's crazy.
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he set it in 1993, which is even crazier.
[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It stood for that long.
[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're talking one of the biggest races in the country.
[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like owns an ice cream shop in Manchee Springs now.
[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: For a custard shop, I think.
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, kind of an interesting little detail there.
[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, either way, the race was short and people kind of met with mixed reactions.
[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people think in the race officials just for taking safety as a top priority and other people being critical just because they're like this mountain running, let us run the mountain, whatever the conditions are.
[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think one thing that a lot of people kind of forget is that anytime you're hosting a race like this, you've got to also have it staffed with like search and rescue.
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So the first thing that I thought about, because my initial gut reaction was kind of like, yeah, I'd be disappointed and like that does suck if you spend the entire year training for this one event potentially.
[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But then I started thinking about it and it reminded me of this tragic ultra marathon situation that happened in China.
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was 2021.
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically what happened was it was, I think it was a, if I want to say 50 mile race went up to an elevation of, I want to say like 7000 feet, 8000 feet or so.
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the best marathon runners in the country or in the world competing at this race.
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But essentially what happened was the weather changed and you had 172 runners on the course.
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: 21 of them died from hypothermia.
[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So essentially search and rescue crews, you know, just didn't get there fast enough to provide that aid.
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And you got to think like these runners at least if you're maybe not planning ahead for the weather in the Pikes Peak marathon case, I would guess you are planning ahead.
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But these runners were caught in this bad weather and you know, they're probably wearing tiny shorts.
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they have like a waterproof windproof layer but clearly weren't prepared for this.
[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: One person who was a hero of that event was a sheep herder I think who ended up finding some of these runners that were just immobilized by this frigid air.
[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Drag some of them into his like heated cave area.
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It goes back up to find more runners and he's just finding bodies.
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So very scary situation whenever you think about having 800 participants in the Pikes Peak marathon, even if you have to rescue one person on bar trail, like that's going to take a four or five rescue staff to slowly move them off the mountain.
[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: If you were to have a dozen people that needed rescued or 200 people that needed rescued, that's just impossible.
[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like there's not 800 search and rescue staff that are there that day.
[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: There's one or two helicopters, maybe one on site and another one they can call in.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean you could be looking at a life and death situation.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So they turned around the race.
[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's ultimately you got to.
[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It sucks but yeah it's something you got to do.
[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So Pikes Peak marathon took place great times as always.
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a runner, check them out.
[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people into hiking large sections of it too so don't feel bad or discouraged if you can't run the whole thing right?
[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty wild race to begin with.
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah I mean moving on to that like we got the changing of seasons going on here.
[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously snow is moving in.
[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It has a lot of people wondering like when are bears going to start going into hibernation.
[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me show you bears are still very active right now.
[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They're in their hyperphasia stage, I think hyperphasia stage consuming 20,000 calories a day
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and for over 20 hours of roaming so very active.
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a pretty interesting bear incident that took place recently that involved bears stealing chickens.
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: A mother bear and her three cubs were reportedly eating chickens on this dude's property down in Trinidad.
[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The man sees the bears and starts shooting a rifle at them.
[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Two of the bears were killed, two of the cubs were killed.
[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The mother bear escaped and the cub escaped.
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately I think officials caught the cub but they were still at last report at least still looking for the sow.
[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they find it, maybe not.
[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Either way though the official ruling so to speak in this situation
[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: or at least the way that authorities approached it was that the man was in his full rights to be shooting these bears essentially and killing these bears
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: because they were attacking his livestock with the chickens being livestock.
[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That being said one of the issues was that this was within city limits and he was firing a rifle.
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The man did get cited for careless discharge of a firearm.
[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a misdemeanor I think but it only carries a fine between 100 and $1,000.
[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not too bad.
[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so pretty...
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: 20 over.
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretty interesting situation there.
[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So take with you what you will but yeah highly unusual situation is what the wildlife manager for the area called it.
[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Also in bear news bear broke into Aspen Middle School this week.
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I would see this.
[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Went straight to the cafeteria.
[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Sniffed its way there as the authorities said.
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of an interesting situation there as well but either way the punchline is bears still very active.
[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Usually they go into hibernation I think early November.
[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and then they emerge I think it's like March or so maybe early April.
[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah so bears very active.
[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Also something that's kind of interesting I was hearing about this.
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is kind of hearsay definitely look it up and do your own research if you're curious about learning more about it.
[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But in some parts of the country where you have civilization kind of pushing into these wildland areas.
[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Bears aren't hibernating because there's food sources that are available year round and they're just they're able to kind of just mosey about all year round.
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think California was one of the places where this is happening.
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's something to kind of note just as you're thinking about bears and assuming they'd all be hibernating this time of the years here shortly at least during the winter season.
[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Still don't let your guard down you know so keep your trash locked up.
[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But look under your deck.
[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: At least once a year we write a story or recover a story about someone who finds a bear hibernating under their deck.
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Which then that contact your local wildlife authorities right as that happens and they'll know the best way to proceed there.
[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That's wild.
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah kind of interesting it's wild to me how much how many calories bears consume during this period.
[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Well because people think bears are like predators and they're hunting down animals which is just not the case at all.
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like most I think it's something like 90 percent of a black bear's diet is or maybe more than 90 percent is like nuts and berries which I can't and I can't imagine trying to eat 20,000 calories or that nuts and berries.
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Just other things like that you know.
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: 40,000 calories of that berries would cost you a fortune.
[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh right.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah then they well then they scavenge for scavenge for carcasses to carry on so to speak but yeah I mean the non-necessary predator they're literally just roaming around looking for berries to eat all day and acorns I think I think chokeberries and acorns are two of their favorite.
[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's at least what wildlife officials said whenever they relocated this cub that was in the school cafeteria that took them to a place with ample chokeberries and ample acorns so.
[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's good.
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Happy for that bear.
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Happy for that bear.
[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Got a little bit of education and yeah was safely taken out of that.
[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah lovely school.
[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey I mean aspen if you're gonna get a school somewhere aspen's probably a pretty beautiful place to do it.
[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds pretty incredible.
[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah kind of not to bring down the mood necessarily but a little bit of significant news that came out of southwest Colorado last night actually so we're recording this on a Thursday so it happened on Wednesday morning.
[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: News broke Wednesday night a 53 year old man from Rochester New York died on one of the Colorado's 14ers so he was I think seeking to hike Wilson Peak which is in the San Juan's hiking alone on the Rock of Ages trail which is a rock of ages trail area we'll say.
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow.
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a class one approach route but then it kind of diversifies as you get up onto some of these peaks in the area.
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Took a 300 to 400 foot fall.
[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the terrain that this rock of ages trail leads to is also like class three.
[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some class four two and probably much more difficult if you get off route or talking traverses officials weren't super clear about exactly where this gentleman took that fall but yeah I fell 300 to 400 feet.
[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Ended up getting a severe head injury.
[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Another hiker in the area saw him and called 911 so then by the time rescuers got there he was he had already succumbed to that wound.
[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I said the whole mission which included recovering his body from the mountain as well took about four hours.
[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say.
[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So pretty tragic situation there.
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Condolences go out to that family and that makes friends.
[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah we've had a few deaths on the peaks this year due to falls and every time we cover one of these it's just kind of that constant reminder that there's just an inherent risk.
[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and a lot of people tend to think you know won't happen to me I think is a thing and they think that their skills are higher than they are that their skills will save them in every scenario.
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: This man was said to be an experienced mountain climber and yeah I mean you never really know what caused that fall especially if someone's alone right.
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.
[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean loose rock that's a big issue holds that have been there for decades can break.
[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a scary thing but yeah so condolences go out to that family some significant news and the outdoor recreation space and we get a lot of questions a lot about why we cover the outdoor recreation deaths that occur in Colorado.
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is something and we always are trying to work with search and rescue teams when we can about kind of what is the takeaway of these deaths.
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately we operate under kind of a similar mindset as Colorado Avalanche Information Center where they will try to release reports after an accident happens whether it's fatal or not.
[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly so people can learn from it.
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And as sad and as not fun as it is to kind of cover these stories it is one of those things where it's our team out there called out feels important or feels that it's important to give these stories some airtime so to speak.
[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: In the sense that maybe other people won't go down that same route or maybe it will maybe it'll change the way someone's preparing for a peak or climbing for a climate of peak and maybe it ultimately will end up saving someone injury or even death.
[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Realizing that there's very, very, very legitimate risk to any like anytime you go off the grid.
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Like quote unquote.
[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And water deaths are one of them where that gets a little bit overwhelming at times.
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's like we have 30 plus water deaths in Colorado every year you know it's sometimes they can seem like every day we're coming in and one of the stories on our list of 10 stories for the day is a water death and they're always sadly very similar.
[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Often you know it's like someone was on a paddle board they weren't wearing their life jacket.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone got in the water they weren't wearing their life jacket.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Cap size they weren't wearing their life jacket.
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean hopefully just the constant coverage of that encourages more people to wear a life jacket.
[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: No definitely.
[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And just to not underestimate the risks that are just involved when you're on the water.
[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like even if you're on a paddle board and you're not planning on falling into the water.
[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Um you know it's like if winds change just a little bit on the water you know it's like
[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you get quite a bit rougher and even just more difficult to maintain your position in the water.
[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And if that's your only flotation device like.
[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah if it gets away from you and you're out there cold water shock sets in you know.
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though Colorado's waters might get into the 60s you know during the summer like
[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that's still cold enough to cause your body to cramp or to cause shock.
[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh that tends to kind of be a tragic uh or lead to a tragic outcome so yeah life jacket.
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Life jacket though I mean the ultimate like I could probably count out of the 30 water
[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: deaths that we've had this year.
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: 30 plus water deaths I think um and don't quote me on that number but yeah 30 plus
[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: water deaths we've had this year I think uh you know I could probably count on one
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: hand the number of people that died wearing a life jacket.
[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: If that even yeah it's almost every single one of these cases that someone nodded a life
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: jacket so.
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely something to take seriously there's a little like fanny pack life jackets too.
[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That are just like I think one time use but you like pull a rip cord essentially.
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's probably ideal for people on like a paddle board.
[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Well I feel like I just gotta say dads when no one will judge you if you wear
[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: a life jacket I feel like I see so many like it'll be a family and then everyone's
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: wearing a life jacket except for the dad.
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh huh.
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we promise we are judging you bad like just just throw out the life jacket like you
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: know what I mean I don't know maybe I'm singling people out unnecessarily.
[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a good way to set an example like I mean getting your kids to buy in that
[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the default methodology is like.
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: A life jacket.
[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well and as you're talking about that I'm pulling up an article that uh we wrote
[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_02]: here that I wrote here in June about a dad with his two kids eight and ten that were on
[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: the Colorado River.
[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh the dad's four years old they're in a kayak the kayak flips both the kids were wearing
[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: life jackets I believe the dad was not so essentially the two kids were pulled out
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of the water by other river goers.
[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: In what sounds like a very dramatic rescue scenario.
[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The dad basically these people that are rescuing the kids the dad just kind of got away from
[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: him ended up surviving.
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone saw his hand reaching out of the water that was in a passing watercraft I think they're
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: on maybe on a jet ski if I remember correctly.
[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Um but uh yeah they were able to yank his hand and grab him out of the water but I
[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: mean that's like what are the chances you know it's like you've seen water flowing
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you can hardly tell what's going on.
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah uh huh well especially when you're getting like messed up getting chundered in some water
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: like you have no idea which way is up.
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Um you know.
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That too yeah just hitting rocks.
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it reminds me of like ski helmets like when I was growing up in Colorado no one
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_00]: wore ski helmets.
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You were in like the minority if you wore ski helmets and I feel like there's been
[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of ski deaths that are very preventable or people like getting um like lifetime injuries
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: uh like because your brain is a very valuable body part.
[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And uh yeah I just feel like now I go skiing and I'm like okay this feels like a good amount
[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: of people to be wearing helmets there's obviously always a few people that uh don't
[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: wear helmets but I feel like like as soon as you can make those precautions the
[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_00]: default option for you like the better.
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well the thing there too is it's like even if you're a good ski or slopes are crowded
[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: like someone else could hit you.
[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh huh.
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen some of these?
[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh huh I mean every single time you go skiing there's someone bombing like as hard as
[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: they can and like yeah it could be someone who's out of control or it could be uh I
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: don't know you could just save your life from other people yeah it feels like it's
[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the even if you do trust yourself you can't trust everybody else.
[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah well the same goes for you know for like rock climbing, cycling um gotta wear a helmet
[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like with rock climbing you see that a lot outside where rock climbers won't have helmets
[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_02]: on and uh I have I mean I've you know climbed a few dozen times outside not like a ton but
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: even in that number of times climbing outside uh just the number of times where like falling
[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_02]: rock will just come close to somebody in the group or when you're sitting at the bottom
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: of the crag and the falling rock comes close it's like okay like this is real there's very
[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_02]: real risk here.
[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with cycling you know it's like whether you're on a road or a trail yeah you
[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: gotta have a helmet on you're going 30 plus miles per hour or 20 plus miles per
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: hour at times um depending on what type of bike you're on but it's like either way
[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you're gonna well that's not gonna be pretty yeah it's gonna that's a life changing
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: injury a lot of the time but um yeah so kind of went on a little safety terror but hey it's
[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: important to wear helmets in life jackets that's the moral of the story.
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's the moral of the story and also it's important too on that note even uh
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to wear the right helmet for the sport yeah I think that's something a lot of people
[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: uh don't really understand until they are kind of deeper in the sport but a lot of
[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: those early falls you know it's like I think when I was first getting into cycling you
[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: know I had this little goofy red like skateboarding helmet yeah it worked because it was the only
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: thing I could afford at the time.
[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And uh yeah that thing wanted to you know that thing wanted to protect me at all.
[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh huh.
[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I think I got into Walmart and wasn't designed for the sport I was using
[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: for like yeah that would have been bad had I ever had a head injury with your
[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: head head collision with that helmet on.
[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh like those Walmart ones with like the white foam.
[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah like basically like yeah you know like this is not a not looking back on it I
[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: saw that helmet like in the closet the other day I was like oh my gosh like I'm lucky to
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: still be alive.
[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Um but yeah I know it's the same thing with rock climbing right like that's something
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: where I've had I've taken people to the gym for the first time uh which I mean
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: one you don't necessarily normally see helmets being worn in the gym.
[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Very frequently ever or if if at all you know um because rock fall risk is really
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: what you're looking out for but I've had people show up with a bicycle helmet
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: in the gym yeah I'm like okay bicycle helmets are really gonna help you with those like
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: side of head impacts and things like that um whereas a rock climbing helmet you know
[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's protecting from that top down rock fall so almost all the safety
[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: features on a rock climbing helmet are on that top on the crown of your head you
[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: know so uh it's made to kind of dent in I think.
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And kind of like absorb that blow.
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So rock climbing you're you're not even trying to protect yourself from messing
[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself up you're just like looking out for some drop rocks.
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah yeah I mean obviously like you could fall on a route and hit your head
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: on something uh I mean it seems like the the bigger risk there though for
[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: sure would be those drop rocks.
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I know we spent 20 minutes on helmets but I have to do one more
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_00]: story is that uh I remember like I feel like I I had an episode of scares
[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: straight when I was like 12 years old I went to a RIP blindside skate shop I
[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at some boards there and one of my friends was renting a snowboard
[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and he was like are you guys going with helmets and I was like no I don't
[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: wear a helmet and he had this helmet that was split in the hat in half all
[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: the way down he was like this is like I was going down the trees and just
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: ran into a tree and it split my helmet clean in two.
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like and I remember like I was like okay I wear helmets now.
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah for real.
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah yeah like I feel like that so that you know might help.
[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh for sure yeah I had a I had a similar like goofy situation where it was like
[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: we're just traversing yeah kind of like I think it was early season so a little
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: bit like few little rocks poking out in there we're traversing on top of this
[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like big bowl but not intending to go down the bowl yet and I just clipped a
[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: rock and then just kind of fell just like into a powder pocket thankfully I was
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: wearing a helmet at the time yeah I did end up finding the one rock in there but
[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: literally just fell straight on my head into this powder pocket and there was a
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: big gash on my helmet from this rock so
[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: also also important people don't know we're gonna keep going on helmets
[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: apparently there's now the helmet review podcast
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah another thing with helmets people don't realize how often you
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: have to replace a helmet like if you have any collision in a helmet or if it
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: saves your life at all yeah replace your helmet yeah like it even if you can't
[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: see damage to the shell that inner foam that protects you a lot of the time
[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_02]: that can crack so yeah one of those things I have taken out more
[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: seriously like in ever since I started
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: motorcycling taken out a lot more seriously where it's like
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you're told even if you just drop your motorcycle helmet on the ground like
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: if you have it on your seat and it falls off yeah it's the ground you're
[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: supposed to replace it wow yeah unless you can really ensure that that
[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: foam is not cracked or damaged but your average person
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: can't yeah like we could look I could stare at it for hours you could stare at
[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: for hours and we're like yeah we don't know
[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_02]: looks like a helmet yeah so spend money on your helmets
[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah get the mips once the mips protects against I think it's
[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: concussions but it kind of slides on your head when you hit things
[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I love so yeah what take helmets take helmets safely yeah yeah yeah
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: all right now I'm like okay what's what's on our list how do we get off this yeah
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I know how do we stop talking about helmets all right yeah let's let's
[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about Tommy Lee he's probably worn a helmet before
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: uh rock star Tommy Lee of motley crew fame uh recently him Britney
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: furlin yes yes you know Britney furlin of vines star
[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: yes yes the other character in the other carry and a hero of the story one
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_02]: might say yeah so and they're married so they live
[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: in California I think in the Los Angeles area but they recently had a very
[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: scary encounter with wildlife especially scary for dog owners out
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_02]: there basically and this is all captured on
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: security footage it's gone viral you can find it online easily yeah
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: look it up on your phone while we're talking about it whatever you want to
[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: do but so Britney his wife Britney furlin
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: is hanging out by the pool with two of their small dogs right
[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and all of a sudden Coyote comes up grabs one of the dogs like she's right
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: there uh grabs one of the dogs and just runs off
[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: with it and she's in the video she immediately hops up starts
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: chasing after him uh yelling you know uh Tommy Lee
[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_02]: comes outside he's like what's going on um and yeah then
[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: eventually yeah she got the dog back uh thankfully so
[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_02]: wow uh yeah pretty wild story though I mean it just goes to show I mean they're
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in the backyard by a pool and this coyote apparently had hopped the fence
[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: got in it was about 1 p.m I think is what she said
[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_02]: in the middle of the afternoon a broad daylight you know people are around
[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and uh yeah so the situation just you know it ended up having a good
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: outcome yeah could have been way way worse and like you look at the video
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and that that that coyote just literally just kind of walks up and then
[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: just and uh grabs that dog and it's gone and it just
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: runs off into the line escaping um you can't see how she got the dog back but
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_02]: her caption on her instagram uh kind of is a bit telling
[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: um so basically uh if she says Nina is safe
[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: presumably Nina's the dog I would imagine uh she says I climbed up the wall
[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and grabbed her out of its mouth thank god she's a little bit fat because
[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: she couldn't make it over the wall with her yeah uh huh I feel like dog food
[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: companies need to use this PR style right so there's one benefit of having a fat
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: dog is whether they're more of a uh deterrent for coyotes and yeah other
[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_02]: predators if you have coyotes in the neighborhood
[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: spoil your dog yeah but granted if it's mountain lion and they can pick up the
[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: dog they might just go for the fat one in general so
[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that's who's like mixed results there yeah so
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: who knows there but yeah funny one image she says yeah that she says if it was
[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: teeny presumably the other dog so you have uh Nina and teeny
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: um so if it was teeny she would have been gone
[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: apparently teeny is not as fat yeah still still far from the craziest thing
[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that's ever happened to Tommy Lee yes very much so
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: very much so yeah so that that's always going viral yeah and I think uh yeah Brittany Farrell
[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's comedian yeah so I'm sorry Vine like the og Vine
[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_00]: six second videos yeah yeah yeah like she she got super famous there now we'll invite
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you on musk uh huh right under under uh twitter on that well you bring it back
[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe he will you know six second videos we can see how much of a story we can
[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: smash into six seconds instead of a minute thirty Colorado
[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: warm today that would uh Vine suddenly takes off again that would be a tricky one for us but
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_02]: hopefully it's not in the cards yeah we'll see you uh huh yeah I don't know how you translate
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: anything in six seconds we'll have to turn to extremely short form humor yeah um just us
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pointing at an article yeah um yeah so I guess elsewhere there's not much else to that story
[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you know it's like in Colorado yeah coyotes are an issue yeah um also mountain lines like that's one
[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: of the things I think uh people don't uh don't realize how many dogs get snatched by mountain
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: lines every year unless you're in one of these communities where these dogs are snatching
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: or these uh mountain lines are snatching dogs um I think there was an article from a couple years ago
[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_02]: uh it was I think it was the Nederland area uh or Netherlands area sorry sorry sorry
[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: really got a comment on that one yeah the Netherlands area um where basically there
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: were I think it was more than a dozen dogs and like a short term period had been getting killed
[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: by these these mountain lines and uh that was one of them where kind of around the same time um
[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_02]: a NFL star uh Derek Wolfe right the Denver Broncos player okay yeah so uh this was another
[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: problematic lion apparently that had been attacking dogs and hiding under a deck in
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Grant Colorado which is in Park County um Derek Wolfe gets essentially I guess contracted in a way
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: or like hired away or just given the tag or whatever but uh Derek Wolfe gets uh is the hunter
[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: that they decide should kill this mountain lion so there's photos of this giant six foot five Broncos
[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: their former Broncos linemen um holding this mountain line up and it's like bigger than him
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's it's sketchy so uh sometimes and he shot it with a bow too um bow hunting a
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: mountain lines are difficult to hunt with a gun yeah even um so yeah so that's interesting a lot
[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of times when there are these problematic cats I think that can be the process that they'll use
[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and I mean obviously these mountains are just kind of doing what they're naturally inclined to do
[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: hunting easy prey yeah exactly uh biggest solution there whether you're talking about for at least
[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: for a pet owner whether you're talking about coyotes or mountain lions or wolves or whatever
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just you know monitor your pets yeah yeah exactly don't let don't let them outside and
[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: just let them roam out there and mountain lion territory you know get some lights um stay out
[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: there with them that might that still might not be enough to prevent an attack or find your own
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_00]: uh former professional defensive tackle to chill out there with a bow and hunt down any mountains
[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that come within like any region you just wait so yeah I feel like defensive tackles
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: should go into hunting usually you know what I think I feel like that's a perfect
[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: blight of work for a defensive tackle he's probably true as yeah I mean every time I see that photo
[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't get over it too because it's like the lion's head is like three times the size of his head
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's a huge human being like yeah like I'm like this lion would be like twice my size
[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: uh like no easily twice my size yeah and it's like even holding it up and it's like it's not even
[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: fully stretched out and it's as tall as he is yeah so huge sorry I just looked it up oh my goodness
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah look that photo I've been Derek Wolf Wolf has a knee on the end yeah a mountain lion
[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: hunting and you'll find this photo of this massive mountain lion which I mean anytime I've ever
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: seen photos videos any of your mouth lines they look way smaller yeah it's so big but it is
[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: what's the average size of about like I feel like 140 pounds I want to say like that had to be
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of a fat cat yeah you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah average here you average male
[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: cougar in British Columbia uh is 125 pounds adult females are 100 pounds yeah this thing is chunky
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: if you look it up it's where we do it was feasting on that neighborhood it does look like it yeah
[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: right oh scary scary stuff especially if you come home and just see that you see eyes under your
[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: porch oh man that was terrifying is that Derek Wolf or is it uh yeah my size of Derek Wolf
[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: mountain lion turns that about the lion um that's all right all right all right we're
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: getting off track here I guess oh also another another thing you know get rid of things that
[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: mountain lions can hide behind uh bushes fences things like that makes it easier for them to
[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of stalk sneak around yeah but yeah that's enough about mountain lions and so uh kind of
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: moving on I guess want to call her out as favorite attractions the ice castles right set to return
[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: set to return and for the first year there's going to be two locations for the ice castles
[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: this winter wow one of them is going to be in cripple creek which is where it was last year
[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: previous years it was in uh the frisco area frisco dillan area um will not be the second
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: location will not be there but it will be a little bit further west down I-70 in eagle so cool
[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: gonna kind of hit the front range people in colorado springs and those people on 24 yeah
[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: with that cripple creek location and then apparently also going to hit the I-70 crowd
[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: with that spot in eagle so that's awesome uh eagle is out by veil and beaver creek so
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: plenty of tourists out there out there's very own piper yes eagle yes out there's piper hills from eagle
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so also a colorado native also colorado native i think i'm i'm the only one on the
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_02]: team right now that is not a colorado native you scream color you know more about colorado
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: than me that's for it's been dang sure 10 years now over 10 years that have been here so
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: colorado springs the entire time but has have done my fair share of traveling though don't think
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: i'll ever achieve colorado native status though so it's very but i can i can call myself a local
[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think after like five years you know I won't get too political on this podcast but you
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: know how I feel about the term colorado native I think it's kind of yeah a little uh for me personally
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: as someone who's born and raised from Colorado prefer to call myself a colorado dirt bag you
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: know I think it's a little more sensitive well yeah I mean colorado native it's like like unless you
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: have Native American heritage yeah like it's like uh-huh it's just very difficult to say you're
[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: colorado native like everyone's come here from or at least everyone's family lineage has come here from
[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: not Colorado exactly unless you are connected to one of the the tribes that call colorado home
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah uh-huh like yeah I don't know my family has 100 years of history here but I don't think
[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm uh I don't think I'm like Colorado colorado we'll call you a Colorado dirt bag Sam
[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: there we go that's uh and I will self self assign myself for the colorado local colorado local
[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: there we go colorado yeah I'm just gonna say now if you've been here five years or more
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you've earned the colorado local tag uh-huh that might be more hot than my take
[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah that's a contentious yeah I mean I would say five years or more that's what I'm gonna say
[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_00]: colorado local well you probably like know all the good spots but well not all like but most of them
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and I definitely won't talk about all the good spots that yeah yeah yeah you gotta keep them keep
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: them low key yeah people don't realize that we actually have a little list of like do not
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: talk about these spots yeah we try to stick to just like the places that have yeah maintenance
[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: assigned or maintenance assets assigned by the government you know uh-huh and then we'll
[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and then we'll like uh talk about something that if you if you type in hot springs colorado
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it would be on the first page of google like people will be like oh we need to keep this a
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: secret and it's like bro I don't think you're flexing the way you are well people people get
[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: big mad about hanging lake that was always one when it'd be like we talked about hanging lake
[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like there's literally an exit on i-70 built for hanging lake like this is not a secret
[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like it is not it's it's out of every destination in Colorado yeah it has its own exit yeah exactly
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: there's nothing else there it's literally just hanging lake trail like that's it and uh-huh it's
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: one of those things where people get do get very worked up about hanging lake and keeping
[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: rocky about national park also also one people yeah bro keep this away from teddy roosevelt
[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like teddy roosevelt finds out about rocky about national park it's over yeah it is one of those
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: people and I mean it makes sense so like you don't know one never wants to see their favorite
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: trails get trashed or crowded um but yeah I mean no there is um like there's responsibility going
[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: into like what we are covering uh we always try to cover places that are being highly publicized
[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: in the first place and then we try to include our sustainability and leave no trace messages
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: with that coverage so that instead of people just getting here's a random recommendation
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: online hopefully our articles pop up first uh and then it includes that message about like
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: here's how you take care of this here's where you should park properly and so you're not damaging
[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the ecosystem here is how you should be safe on the trail so you're not potentially bringing out
[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_02]: search and rescue crews yeah who's so that's that's ultimately the goal there um yeah it's like
[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: how do you keep the most like people the most safe trying to educate them as much as possible
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah because it's like if you just find something on all trails for example right
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and all trails is in a publication their their job is not necessarily to include that like
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: no trace question they're more of a resource yeah they're a database resource so there's no
[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: bashing insult trails um but yeah it's like if you just type in like top 10 hikes in Silverton
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: which is a relatively I mean it's popular spot for outdoor recreation but a small
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: time with limited resources uh you're gonna get you know 10 hikes in the Silverton area
[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: but you're not going to get any of that information about how to take care of these areas so um and
[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I just typed in top 10 hikes in Silverton on google first thing that pops up is all trails
[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: it's going to be maps it's going to give you directions to the trailhead but then it
[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: generally stops there and by design and again not to their fault necessarily um
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah so like I said the reason that we do try to cover some of these places
[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: uh it really boils down to uh how can we cover them in a way that helps to get this information
[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: out there about how to take care of them too yeah exactly and we do still have our list of places
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: that we do not cover I think I've got like 25 to 30 spots and trails on there at this time
[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah yeah well I remember pitching you on a few yeah like listen we there there's been
[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: some strongly worded emails exchanged yes yes yeah there's a uh several several little lakes that I
[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: can think of absolutely beautiful spots um but you got to go find those yourself yeah exactly also
[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: take care of those two see now we can talk about Blue Lake because you have to have a permit yeah
[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah that was a spot feels like that that was a place where it's like you can't really talk
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: about the tentative void they coverage yeah now that it's like super tight permit system
[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: you give you like yeah Blue Lake's pretty yeah yeah because now there are there is and not mean as much
[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: as like I personally I do find that like permitting system like I understand the like
[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: disappointment with that because I'm very spur of the moment in where I go I don't like planning
[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: ahead and uh that does dissuade me from like going to certain trails um but I mean ultimately
[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you know it's like you were there you were telling me the other day about how you were there
[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and just saw so many people and it was like a party in the middle of the wilderness yeah
[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not kidding it was crazy yeah now that's wild and now I think it's limited to like 24
[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: campers a day or something in like six parties of camp campers so you can have four people
[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: in a party something like that exactly uh um those my my opinion I mean there were people coming
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: up yeah just like from a fur weekend like driving up at like uh 11 p.m at night like blasting music
[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and like I think a permit would dissuade most of those people you know what I mean uh
[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know like they were college students obviously I I get being a college student but
[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: listen man in a tent in a tent yeah do that do that yeah I don't know I mean it's it's ultimately
[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: it's it's a double-edged sword it's like how do you how do you one protect these places
[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_02]: but still keep them accessible yeah and at the same time it's like how do you cover these places in a way
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that can hopefully protect those places um while also not covering them in a way that that puts too
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: many people there right it's like if someone just sees that that's always been a big complaint
[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: is like the instagram famous spots where it's like there's someone takes a beautiful photo
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: somewhere yeah and then it just gets flooded right uh another another type of uh communication
[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: where there's just not really much information about like okay what's what's the best practice
[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_00]: when it comes to like sustainability yeah exactly uh huh well and like if you don't like uh the
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: permitting system everybody likes gambling right just think of it as like gambling but
[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: all the money goes to the national parks like what better form of gambling like you gamble
[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you get to see a beautiful spot if not you get ten dollars to the national park system yeah
[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: well and also at the same time it's like there are so many places in Colorado to go like
[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: finding places where there aren't crowds is not difficult you know it's like
[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: one just go check out your state parks most of the state parks are pretty
[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: uncrowded for the most part especially if you get off the front range and they're all very
[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: maintained yeah their state parks for a reason they're absolutely stunning um so yeah I mean
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that's that's one quick tip there is it's like if you're looking for something beautiful that
[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: uh you know probably doesn't have massive crowds check out a state park yeah uh huh
[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: um wilderness areas around the like if you're if you're not on the 14er trails or right by a
[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: popular mountain town yeah like the crowds are very limited in most cases yeah uh but definitely
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I yeah I think yeah so there's I mean better spots yeah that's just more of us ranting about uh
[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: what do we hear we hit helmets today we hit safety today we hit sustainability
[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: today uh basically this whole podcast is just a rant now but that's okay um yeah I think that's
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: about all we got today and so yeah hopefully you enjoyed the little chat and we will be back soon
[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so yeah have a good one guys very peace yeah