Enormocast 280: Taps 2024 – The Really Bollocks Edition

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[00:08:21] Yeah, I actually, I used to have my,

[00:08:23] up until just like literally a few months ago,

[00:08:25] I had my phone for women to call but then they came through in the end. I think they were scared that it was my sex line. That's why I had several friends that said they're not. I tried to get people to call and they're like dude I'm not calling this number. Fuck off. I promise it just taps.

[00:09:43] His phone sex with the internet his phone sex still a thing. Yeah I think there's like the ASMR kind of thing you know people are into that.

[00:09:46] What is that?

[00:10:42] and then Steve House. Yeah, so the big names come through, but yeah,

[00:10:46] so I mean it's still gangbusters.

[00:10:48] So until you guys stop fucking listening,

[00:10:50] I'm gonna keep doing it.

[00:10:51] So it's like anything, you know?

[00:10:53] It's like everyone hates social media,

[00:10:54] but until you stop being on social media,

[00:10:57] it's gonna still be there.

[00:10:58] So I guess I'm like social media.

[00:11:00] I'm just like,

[00:11:00] or crowds at the crack.

[00:11:02] It's like, yeah, you're the crowd.

[00:11:04] Yeah, exactly.

[00:11:05] So quit crowding taps and IO.? Come talk to me. The smell of phone. The smell of phone. We'll invent the smell of phone just for your sex channel. Has anyone ever invented the smell of phone?

[00:12:20] Sounds really like a good idea.

[00:12:22] It'll harken back to payphones.

[00:12:26] Remember payphones?

[00:12:27] Those were always smell of phones. doing it again, the dying part. But, and then stuff that, the zombie was stuff that like, everybody kind of agrees should be gone, should go away like we just all can get on board, but it hangs around. Sort of like taps, actually taps a bit of a zombie. Here. Okay.

[00:13:43] So anyway, those are the categories.

[00:13:44] My favorite is the original, the laments. your spinner van and for a night at least and just try it out. Maybe if you're over 30 you get a pass or something. I don't know. Anyway, that's my thought. I think that might be dying. Maybe we should mourn it. Wow, I wonder if this will actually get played. Okay, bye. It got played, Molly. Yeah, Molly.

[00:15:02] Thanks for coming through and I had to start to you're you're a dirt bag. You're a sort of a dirt bag historian or someone who believes in the in the sanctity of the of those years you have to put in in climbing when you don't have any money. Totally. I mean, while sleeping in a tent, like pretty good. Like I don't know if you haven't slept in a tent

[00:16:23] and you're a climber that seems like an odd mismatch.

[00:17:25] The outward bound solo, you know, they force the kids to go out and like sit by themselves for a couple days or whatever.

[00:17:26] Outward bound student right here.

[00:17:28] Did you solo?

[00:17:29] Hell yes I did.

[00:17:30] What was it like?

[00:17:31] It was pretty awesome.

[00:17:33] It was, we didn't have much food for like three and a half days.

[00:17:37] They just give you like enough to not feel like you're going to die and you have water,

[00:17:43] you have access to water and you have water with you. the buttermilk's just like drag their sleeping bags up to the grandpa Peabody to chill. You know, like the scene would just... Have you guys ever slept in a public bathroom? I mean, that's like worse than the dirt and I've slept in a public bathroom. I mean, trips. I don't think I have. It's just raining, you know, and there's like an outhouse or whatever.

[00:19:00] Yeah.

[00:19:00] Sleep in the little house.

[00:19:01] Oh yeah.

[00:19:02] So yeah.

[00:19:02] Well, if you put the outhouse on its side, it'd be a bit more comfortable.

[00:19:07] Not a porta potty. weren't big enough for you to sleep in them. And all of your stuff would fit in it and you would fit in it and maybe your partner would fit in it. And that was it. And you couldn't like sleep in your car because it was a tiny little sedan or something. And now that's just not the case. And so it's like, yeah, I'm trying to put myself in the position of having the luxury of having always driven a big car or even a truck or something, you road, he'll drive like a spring. He's way up there. Or all these idiots with the giant trucks that you, you know, you can't see like that 30 feet in front of your, your hood because your truck is like six and a half feet tall on the front end. Um, you just get scooped up. Like, actually Molly, Molly fuck off.

[00:21:42] Like everybody should be in some sort of, you know, strength.

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:22:42] to internet and like update your portfolio. Update your Instagram.

[00:22:45] I remember all the shenanigans we used to go through

[00:22:47] to try to sleep in our rigs.

[00:22:49] And that must be bonkers now with,

[00:22:51] because everybody's so attached to their kit

[00:22:54] inside of their vans.

[00:22:55] Like the idea of leaving it behind.

[00:22:57] I'm like that now too though,

[00:22:58] because I was gonna say that as I got older,

[00:23:01] the thought of sleeping in a tent

[00:23:02] did seem a little barbaric actually.

[00:23:05] Now you just start getting, I mean,

[00:23:07] I mean, your back is fucked. It's all good. Okay. Oh yeah. No, I think that's one of the most fun things about actually having a van is that you could have all the people and play cards and laugh and joke around. It's like all these people, you're having a party in your place. Whereas if you're sleeping in the dirt, you're just kind of groveling in the dirt.

[00:24:20] But you can play games in the dirt.

[00:24:22] Yeah, you can take tech out.

[00:24:24] What kind of games?

[00:24:25] These vans are big metal. something we're losing and that is independently run climbing gyms as a struggle to keep up with the chains that are popping up everywhere and those of us who grew up in the 90s in that first

[00:25:42] wave of climbing gyms and new hold, you know, big budgets for new holds is awesome. That's great. Don't need all the yoga studios and spin studios, but there, you know, there's not, it's not all bad things about new and larger climbing gyms,

[00:27:02] but we got to be careful about what can be lost.

[00:27:06] Thanks guys. but they could sustain the kind of, or at least float the month to month when people aren't paying the bills or whatever it is. So I could see if basically I'd be a big fan of like, McGym's if there was opportunities like that for small towns where they could bring in

[00:28:20] that they're kind of their gym model

[00:28:23] and have their tentacles in all parts of the country

[00:29:25] and join them. So, you know, I mean, as long as the employee, you know, people are putting pressure on the employees to do cool classes or to do, you know, local outreach programs

[00:29:30] or, you know, trail days or whatever, it's about the best you're going to get, I think.

[00:29:35] What about civil disobedience? Like, always, like always wearing your shoes into the bathroom.

[00:29:41] Or just as opposed to never, like, you're just like, gyms have about a 15 year lifespan. Yeah. Before they're just not cool anymore. And they just can't hang because everything is so old and run down and or not up to the latest technology. And like, yeah, we just talk about crushing mommy.

[00:31:01] That's the thing, like if you were gyms.

[00:31:02] Yeah, if you were looking at opening a gym,

[00:31:03] that's one of the things you would look at is,

[00:31:05] can I make, can I get out of the black,

[00:31:07] get out of the red, the people that I love, the people that I'm like, eh, all the people that go to the climbing gym that you're like, you see and you're like, you've got like an interaction with all of them and some of them are your best friends and some not. And I miss that. I think that's what he's alluding to for sure. Yeah. And I miss that about the monkey house.

[00:32:21] But can't you get that at like a big, big gym?

[00:32:23] Well, that's what I'm seeing is that, feeling of us all scurrying to our little horse. We're like, we're like, yeah, we've all scurried. I prefer to be a prairie dog. You're a rat. You're like a rest of us. Just like, you know, just popped out of my little hole. Yeah.

[00:33:40] Went back in.

[00:33:41] Um, yeah, but has a it's a sick gym that you can climb in and train in. I think that's all people want and that's all they care about. I don't care that there isn't people just want to go train and while that may be true, I think they're he's true in saying that there's a missing element now to that. You know, people want to go like I would go to the climbing gym when as a teenager after

[00:36:22] school is to hang out, right?

[00:36:23] I would be resting or whatever just why.

[00:36:25] Oh, I know so and so just the profit thing. It's like, I think the margins are small. And this idea that, I was thinking it was kind of like a record company, old record company idea, which has also changed in the record business. But it was like, you have these huge, you have these huge, multi-million dollar selling acts,

[00:37:41] that means you can spend money on these up and coming acts.

[00:37:44] And that's actually gone away a lot

[00:37:46] in the record. If you rewound it like a hundred times, the fucking thing was fucked. And then you'd have to return it to like block this video. It's fucked and you're like, no, I didn't do it. I got it like this. There's something wrong. Be kind, rewind. Yeah.

[00:39:02] All right. Well, let's lament.

[00:39:03] Let's lament something else here.

[00:39:05] This apparently came in from a recent guest on the normal cast.

[00:39:08] Hey, man. And I just wanted to straighten that out. And, you know, Todd Skinner and Alan Watts, you know, they were cheaters, man. They, you know, they were cheating.

[00:40:21] And you can't work Ruth, but, you know, you that particular voicemail, was this idea that we could talk about, about the past being more rad, more adventurous, more like everybody was sort of more sick years ago. And this is like, I mean, this plays on like,

[00:41:40] it's like what we're dealing with right now

[00:41:42] with fucking MAGA, like, oh,

[00:41:44] the America used to be this or used to be that.

[00:41:46] So are we like dealing in mythology here timers have that are beating this drum about how awesome they were, give them the tools, give them the equipment and see what they could do. Maybe it remains to be seen, but I think they'd have like, Connor Hurson would have like no problem doing some of this shit in those same style and the same, you know, I mean, didn't you just have comp climbers on that like sent the fricking nose? Come on, man. Weird. I mean, I roots were put up, I think it would feel like really hard. I think it would feel hard. My thought on the thing is not whether they could or if they're stronger or just as good a climbers. I just think the world has changed too much. Even Mountain Project, guidebooks,

[00:44:21] all the information at your fingertips. We've talked on this show to this talking about actively did fight against that. Like he used to send postcards way into the internet age, you know, which we all have a couple, or many of us have some, and they're like these relics because they would arrive at our houses after he got home. Like that's what it was like. But he tried to hold onto this idea of like disappearing.

[00:45:40] And the fact that like you can no longer disappear

[00:45:44] isn't a hit on That's, I guess, I mean, so I'm sort of like, I don't know where to go at the argument, but. Well, it sounds like you're equating the ability to get lot,

[00:47:01] like, you know, cause the fifth or sixth

[00:47:03] or seventh of the nose, you know,

[00:47:06] what about freeing it in a day? of internet, they have all this access to information and they have modern climate. And they should not use it. But when there's no possibility, when you're Charlie Porter on a fucking sailboat or you're Charlie Porter going into the Baffin, like you're going in completely fucking blind and with no safety net.

[00:48:21] And again, like I think it's stupid

[00:48:24] if you go to Baffin in 2024

[00:48:27] without a satellite phone and a safety net. With a B with a B. Bert was saying that ground up was better because he even, you know, Bert. I mean, I don't know too much about Bert's climbing career, but I believe he, he threw that out the window. I think it was, it's more and with, with guys like him and myself, who, who looks back at the history is just again, this, this like openness.

[00:49:43] Like I, you know, I'm trying to get Jim Erickson on the podcast.

[00:50:44] used to be because I will fully admit that and grant you that risk used to be such an intrinsic part of climate.

[00:50:47] No question.

[00:50:48] And that is gone for the majority of climbers for sure.

[00:50:51] I mean, that's why we like,

[00:50:52] that's why we revere this whole grit stone thing

[00:50:54] that still seems to like,

[00:50:55] it's a hold it.

[00:50:56] Yeah, it's a hold it.

[00:50:57] And you know why they hold it

[00:50:58] is because there's this fucking rule against putting bolts in.

[00:51:02] And that's the thing that that Kurt,

[00:51:04] oh, sorry, excuse me, Bert,

[00:52:02] and it's because they're all. Nothing else left in their lives and nothing to look forward to and everything's in the past and that's that and they have a grievance about nobody respects them or even knows who they are.

[00:52:14] I think young climbers are also annoying because they lack perspective.

[00:52:18] They don't realize everyone's agree to which they are sitting on the shoulders of those that came before them.

[00:52:24] They take for granted all the roots that were developed in these perfect cracks that were set up and that they think that they're. So if you look at it from that present to future paradigm, then it's like... Yeah, I agree with every point you have. I have a lot of respect for the old generation. I would go toe to toe on anybody on a history trivia. I immerse myself in it.

[00:54:44] And then you're just going to fucking die and that's going to be it. Well, it's kind of actually this kind of.

[00:54:47] But not on one of your wimpy clients that has too much per year.

[00:54:51] Exactly.

[00:54:52] Yeah.

[00:54:53] Exactly.

[00:54:54] It kind of makes me think of like two different perspectives.

[00:54:58] One is like Fred Becky.

[00:55:00] Like it makes me think of Fred Becky because I.

[00:55:03] Who?

[00:55:04] Exactly.

[00:55:05] Exactly.

[00:55:06] Exactly. climber. And I feel like Fred Becky in his heyday was like, definitely considered that. And then now with like the advent of modern news and modern ways of communicating, it's not as fringe anymore. So I think also just that access to

[00:56:20] information changes the way that climbing is viewed and the way

[00:56:24] that climbing evolves, you know, from here forward, as opposed no idea what the hexes are used for. You'll be like, look at all these cordolettes. They're hanging down to my knees, can you tell? Cordolettes on top of cordolettes. Ease Burt Smith's underwear is a handkerchief. Burt Minh. Well, this might fit into that. Let's do one here.

[00:57:41] Hi, my name is Ian from Pennsylvania, calling in live in the city I go to the gym that's it. So why are we getting dragged outside where's buggy bugs in my sleeping bag. First of all gyms of like completelyated. I think I have totally failed. I think I have failed. The boy test. Yeah. Yeah, I'm feeling. The test I think has been on a previous day. Yeah. For sure. That was one I think.

[01:00:21] Yeah.

[01:00:21] I'm scale score of zero.

[01:00:27] I think they teach lead no trace. But they they were like okay these people don't understand like this thing that and so this one is all tied into this traditional thing we're talking about the back of the day thing we're talking about because we You know there's this idea that climbers had these like basic outdoor skills before they ever went climbing Which to a certain extent was probably true

[01:01:40] It was true for me like I was a backpack ownership before I was a climber

[01:01:44] So I had these ideas of like minimalist

[01:02:45] thing came out from a LCO that I was involved in and we had come up with a site. Yeah. What? What is LCO? Oh, sorry. It's a local climate.

[01:02:50] You have so many acronyms.

[01:02:52] Oh, yeah. You guys don't even know?

[01:02:53] That must be an East Coast thing.

[01:02:54] No, okay. I literally showed somebody that text me the other day that said B.I.T.D.

[01:03:00] Yeah. And I was like, I don't know what it means. What does it mean?

[01:03:04] Taps itself is an acronym. because I mean you sell gym climbers shoes harness chalk bag yeah belay device belay device and that's it and that shit in the gym since you're not groveling up some fucking chimneys your your harness and shit's gonna last forever- It literally is the person who has the cordolette hanging down to their knee. You like spot them. It's like the cordolette to the knee. The... Multiple blade devices. Multiple... Single pitch root. Multiple blade devices.

[01:05:41] They've got the...

[01:05:42] The...

[01:05:43] Spectra backpack.

[01:05:44] Yes.

[01:05:45] And the...

[01:05:46] What is it called?

[01:05:47] The shock bag to the carabiner. I'm trying to get that's a point me that I mean it would cure so many of these fucking access problems to also like this whole wilderness thing. What they want to see to me climbing outside not cool. The wish us luck and a lady friend wants people to just vanish to another state. Okay. All right, so he would be pro, he would be pro, Craig to Jim.

[01:08:22] She's like, tell him, tell him that they should be banished to another state right now.

[01:09:27] Hey, we're on the feeling anger.

[01:09:33] All right, let's move on. Here's a Sarando one. I think you guys might dig this one.

[01:09:40] Hey, what's up, taps? My name is included. I had a terrible A2 pull, pulley injury about a year ago, and I was like disciplined about my rehab and my training and getting it back and taking my collagen. And then there seemed to be some really smart science folks who were like,

[01:11:01] actually, those collagen studies are like not really holding up to a lot of

[01:11:06] critical review. verb is like pretty baller. When you got your title used as a verb, you've made it. Taps supplement, and I found that I had way more energy and felt way less psycho. So there's number one. And then number two, I have other like health things. I have like severe eczema.

[01:13:40] And because of that, I also take other supplements.

[01:13:44] And they do happen to help me with,

[01:13:47] I feel like they like that. Your aura is all fucked up. Yeah. I just coincidentally had like an injured finger at the time. Like it was always hurting, crimping and stuff. And like literally after a week or maybe it was two weeks or something, it completely went away and my finger felt fine. That's bizarre. And I was like, holy shit. And I was like, I thought maybe collagen

[01:15:02] had something to do with it.

[01:15:03] But it was like pointing to I think a lot of the things that they point to as being bullshit are the effects on your skin. But the effects on joint, the effects on your joints, I think is still maybe, I don't know, I think it was in that article

[01:16:22] that was still a gentleman. But his broader point about. You should probably stop buying. You're not buying the money. You know, that's what he said. He's addicted. He's addicted to something. I think the only harm with these supplements is just to your wallet. Like you're not going to do damage to your, I don't think, I mean, maybe the jury's still out, long-term effects. But yeah, you're just going to go broke.

[01:17:40] That's the thing.

[01:17:41] Like you should eat as much as you can

[01:17:45] of the food version in the dirt.

[01:19:00] Yeah.

[01:19:01] Sleeping in a bathroom that night, actually. The parking fight with Maury. I don't know. Oh, I love that story. Maury punched a guy by the parking. Yeah, it was awesome. But here's, has this ever happened to you where you get, where you get to some crag early and you know there's no lines. Yeah. So it's just a dirt and you park and then everybody parks around you and you come back

[01:20:20] and you look like the douche.

[01:20:22] Yeah.

[01:20:22] Well, wait a minute.

[01:20:23] If you're, if you're like the first person there, why the fuck aren't you parking on

[01:20:28] the very end? That's true. That's true. But yeah, part part correctly. It's well, I think it you know Just people don't know how to drive anymore, you know guys none of this is gonna be a problem once Honestly like so many of these fucking problems are gonna be cured by Craig Jim. Yeah the Craig Jim initiative

[01:21:43] All right here, we're gonna go we're gonna go into this one by shooting fees, shipping and lying is wailing and then I still see all the polishing the worst career of the game team introduced. Marketing's comms, managers in the outdoor industry are clones of the same person and Dave Lash is not a real thing, you know. It was hard to hear but in the end he

[01:23:00] said Dave Flash is not a real thing kiddo.

[01:23:03] Andy. Day flash. That doesn't make any sense. It's the fucking stupidest thing ever. I actually just liked the way it sounds. Like I'd day flash. I'd be like saying that you'd day flash taking a shit. I day flashed my coffee today. Totally. It was really good. It's a contrived term that was made up to like just.

[01:24:22] Day flash did.

[01:24:23] Just bolster somebody's self importance.

[01:24:25] I want to know where it came from because it.

[01:24:27] Somebody started it. Again, lifetime flashed it. I think it's the fault of the enablement decided that onsite and flash had to be two separate terms. From there, we've devolved. You have a problem with that? I don't. But it's a still that's my all time. That's my all time. Taps lament is the death

[01:25:46] of the onset of the onset. I don't think you that much. I could have looked like two people. The top three things that says is what is the definition to flash or day flash? This is when I Googled it. Climbing terms. Okay, what is flash? And third category, defunct climbing terminology. Oh, is it a day flash in there?

[01:27:01] Yeah.

[01:27:02] I don't know.

[01:27:03] It seems to be gathering steam.

[01:27:05] It's all over the place. almost to the anchors, you purposely punt to save yourself for the day flash. For the day flash. Yeah. Day flash. Can you night flash at night? By headlamp. I want to know where this term came from because it's so, it's brutal. I love night flash. That does sound much cooler.

[01:28:20] It does.

[01:28:21] It's a way.

[01:28:22] It's a way.

[01:28:23] It's a way.

[01:28:24] It's a way.

[01:28:25] If you climb at your project at night, which crash pads to the crag, you got a call coming in? Say your mom? Is it your mom? Yes, my dad.

[01:29:40] Dad?

[01:29:41] Yeah.

[01:29:42] Sorry.

[01:29:43] I'm on a some deep thinking right now is a nice. Like he's stepping in his study with his brandy. It's like it is. His bathrobe. It is bad. Like what the fuck was that? Mary. Honey, I told you they switched the bass and that's all those years ago. Well, ironically I am adopted.

[01:31:01] So this is this is all wholesome truth. I just seem so redate, like so impractical to just show up with like 12 crash pads to protect. Well, that's what the Brits do every time they go climbing. It's true. It's true.

[01:32:20] But there's no such thing as a not roadside crag in fucking Britain.

[01:32:26] Yeah. should somebody be adding a crash pad on your back. Like I should be like hauling up a crash pad or even better like my entourage is placing extra crash pads the higher I get as opposed to me using my stick clip. And I think that there is a distinction to be made for a hard short, bouldery sport route, you know, that if you say, well, I did it with a third pre-clip,

[01:33:42] then just say that and then that's it.

[01:33:44] Right.

[01:33:44] And if somebody wants to take away your scent, whatever,

[01:34:41] like the common person. Like, first of all,

[01:34:44] have you just tried not being poor?

[01:34:46] I exactly like that.

[01:34:48] And then who's good?

[01:34:51] I mean, because honestly,

[01:34:52] he is not carrying the fucking crash pads to the grag.

[01:34:55] Yeah.

[01:34:56] Like he does not do that.

[01:34:57] It's somebody else.

[01:34:59] Someone else is helping out.

[01:35:00] Yeah, so it's just, yeah,

[01:35:01] there's an absurdity to it.

[01:35:03] But,

[01:35:04] I'm like, we need crash pads stashing and sport crags.

[01:35:06] I know.

[01:35:07] Like it's just a watery. But what I like about- They are comfortable. They're comfortable. The verb clothing is comfortable. The verb bras for women. All you women out there are very flattering to women that are extremely flat-chested, which would include me in this group. And I just really like how they feel and look.

[01:36:21] Do you have information for us, Chris?

[01:36:23] I just found verbclimbing.com.

[01:36:25] It still appears to be operating.

[01:36:27] I'm not gonna put a time into it. It's like cute booty shorts and cute bras and men look hot and they're clothing. The other thing that Verve did is make the shortest women shorts. Like they are the progenitor of the booty short for climbing. Like not only did they create them but they convinced everyone that that was what you climb in.

[01:37:43] When there was no booty short creep.

[01:37:45] No, it was just the first guy to go like style. Like this isn't just functional. It's not just wicking and water repellent and you know things to go climb over. It was having cotton. But he's like this is, these are clothing. This is clothing to be stylish and climb at the same time. And the, was it the, what were the Bo-Gimbo's

[01:39:01] or something?

[01:39:02] Those crazy like calf length, like kind of flowy pants.

[01:39:07] Is that what you had?

[01:39:07] No, I mean, Christian Griffith is in a whole another enigma in climbing, but like, yeah, it's crazy that it still exists. I mean, I'm looking at it, but he must have rebuffed a buyouts a hundred times because I, yes, there's

[01:40:24] certainly some larger or something or right came in anddo, bouldering in a G string, a verb G string, like not, not tiny underwear, but like a literal G string. It was like dental floss. Yeah. And like the thing about Christian at the time and continues

[01:41:43] probably to be the truth is like, it wasn't like and start drinking. Here, let me hand you something up. Shut up. It's a great first sentence to your memoir, Mary. A man came up to me, told me to put on the verb shorts and start drinking.

[01:43:00] And I said, that's when I was day drinking. Now I'm like, oh yeah, I'm taking my protein, I'm managing my eczema, and I'm taking all the supplements. And I'm a complete dork, and I'm like, oh yeah, and I'm forever 512. But when I could day drink, I'm like, yeah that's what we did. Plus it'll give you the shit. But I mean, I think it's like, honestly, like the day drinking thing is funny, but it's also tied to all of it. Like the back in the day thing and like the sleeping in the dirt. Yeah, and the supplements thing and this whole thing about like moving away from this weird old mythological essence that we had of climbing, which was that you smoked weed.

[01:46:45] The focus is more on performance and less on just like letting loose or whatever. Just, you know, it's like, oh, I can't have a beer if I want to like do my thing,

[01:46:50] which I've been thinking about and like taking supplements over.

[01:46:53] Right.

[01:46:54] And like everybody's at the fire and there's some people playing guitar and there's like,

[01:46:57] how am I to day flash my project tomorrow?

[01:46:59] Right.

[01:47:00] I'm all over.

[01:47:00] Exactly.

[01:47:02] But do you know what I mean? getting wasted to crag yet, you know, so That's a good it might it might shift like 20 years from now We might be like climbing is fucking crazy like dude like the kids are like blowing lines in the parking lot It does you know

[01:51:00] It's not to say that people What I'm thinking is it feels like Creek is definitely a day drink. Yeah, like these dudes were 11 o'clock, man.

[01:51:03] And they like left it at the Waco all day.

[01:51:05] And so, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

[01:51:07] I think it's fair to say that the the newest you know up and coming climbers are very conformist

[01:52:21] People like yeah, it's not a lot of individuality and it's a lot of very sameness and people are kind of all you know

[01:53:22] and not fucking worry about their day flash. Well, and not worry about what the authorities might say

[01:53:25] or what their community might say, you know?

[01:53:27] Right.

[01:53:28] They didn't care.

[01:53:29] And now we like, now climbing is like so big

[01:53:31] that it maybe can't support that sort of attitude anyway.

[01:53:35] Well, that's the thing I kind of heard in that voicemail

[01:53:38] is what I call the hall monitors.

[01:53:41] Yeah.

[01:53:41] You know, I've had, I think on taps,

[01:53:43] I've had the wet rock, right?

[01:53:45] Oh, yeah.

[01:53:46] Yeah.

[01:53:46] And that's it bolt the bolt prohibition thing the thing that's I think basically today is the last day to comment on it or tomorrow

[01:55:03] Is the same thing like there's these apologists that are coming out of the woodwork of like well, you know

[01:56:08] but like this person who is willing to call out what's going on and climbing in the funny thing and when I heard this thing I actually actually thought of Andrew Bishrat because this motherfucker

[01:56:13] right here isn't afraid the funny thing also when I heard that I was like man the taps like this

[01:56:19] is what we do like let's call it out let's like. You know, it's like, I think a lot of the people

[01:57:40] who called in, in less voice, left voicemails,

[01:57:44] like that's the basis of their problem

[01:57:46] with this, of we're it's like as a as a group or on board with like smacking down people who like get out of line You know it's weird canceling canceling. I mean I

[01:59:02] Cancelling's a little bit like broad and kind of overused

[02:00:05] of young the youth climbers, but I've interviewed and been around a number of high-end ones. And they're very great, nice, polite people who have virtually nothing interesting to say about

[02:00:13] climbing beyond like, this is something I do. I train for it. I hang out with my friends.

[02:00:19] And it's very just, I don't know, you're interviewing someone who's younger they may just not even have the context for which they they have experiences that will allow them to say anything opinionated. You know and then the other thing is even if

[02:01:44] somebody is young if they've she also is running for Senate, which to me is like pretty impressive, even if, you know, no matter who she is.

[02:03:01] It's like the opposite of the counterculture thing

[02:03:03] that we're trying to solve right here.

[02:03:05] She's like literally becoming a man.

[02:03:07] Yeah. Edward in the UK. He says, my suggestion for this category, climbing expeditions pretending to be scientific expeditions. And I love Alex Honnold. I fucking love Hazel Finlay.

[02:04:21] I'm just saying I want that out there.

[02:04:23] However, appreciate there might be some value

[02:04:27] to Honnold's Greenland trip. fun. So fun. Just want the monkeys to risk their lives for me and dance. And make me feel good. If anybody's not seen that, it's on YouTube fucking do the speech- coming at the osmond thing.

[02:05:41] There is something in disingenuous about the whole complaint of like environmental warriors that fly all over the world, big rock climb.

[02:07:01] Right.

[02:07:02] Or the climb mountains.

[02:07:02] How many greenhouse gas emissions are they like

[02:07:05] shooting into the atmosphere just by flying?

[02:07:07] Yeah. whatever, 10 different industries and that's who needs to be regulated. Didn't we get into this last year? Yeah, we did. But I just spend my time trying to not be cynical about it, but I'm super cynical about it. Well, okay. Climbers, worldwide climbers telling me about climate change bothers me. And I think that at the basis of this voicemail have that burning desire to go travel somewhere and see a new place and see a new culture. So there's that part of me where I'm thinking about that. Then there's a side of me where I'm like, transportation is like in the top five greenhouse gas emissions that it's ruining our planet globally.

[02:09:41] Like I get all upset about that.

[02:09:44] So it's like, okay, dude, right on.

[02:11:01] I mean, because I think of Brad Goebri,

[02:11:03] the long lost climbing hero, speed round speed round and then we're going to get out of here. Greetings. My name is Mike. My taps request for the year 2024 is to never hear the word. Condies ever ever again. Thanks for your consideration. Can I comment? Condies, Condies, Condies, Condies, Condies, Condies, Condies.

[02:12:23] There you go, dude.

[02:12:27] Um, I don't know.

[02:12:28] It doesn't bug me. of one. That's how you have babies folks. Okay, so this is Brian from Sweden. This is a zombie. It's going to economical with Gates. I find it equally ergonomic. I can do both. But I find the gates to get a little bit more snap preference if the gate is facing left or right when it's on a bolt when you're going to clip. No. So there you go. Oh, yeah, but that's different. Okay. So it's just like how you how you grab it off your hand. I have okay. Hold on. If I have a sling across my chest

[02:15:03] because I'm trying climbing, I have the cans on my out because of that very reason. I have feel as though Gates out is easier to get off without raising my shoulders, which are all completely fucked because I'm 50 fucking almost four years old, I don't even know how old I am.

[02:16:20] Older than us.

[02:16:21] Right, now it's easier to get them off,

[02:16:24] which makes it seem better in the long run over time

[02:16:28] and I'm gonna stick in the climbing community. People need to be talking about people like James Lucer. Was that James Colle've solved. We've already addressed. We've solved your problem, Rose. We just had a different name for that. The gates are the doors to the gym and that's where we're going to fucking shove every last climber. What's everybody's in there?

[02:19:01] Lock it up.

[02:19:02] It'll be like fucking Thunderdome in there. with that show bro there was like there was a couple of boulders in that show that I just I wanted to see more of the boulders you know I thought you know it Thanks everybody for listening to the entire. If you've made it this far, the entire 2024. Taps episode.

[02:21:40] Yeah.

[02:21:41] Um, so let's finish on this one.