Keep That Same Energy ft. Kenya Mahagony

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[00:01:29] I'm excited. Thank you so much for having me.

[00:01:34] Yeah, yeah, it's a good day.

[00:01:38] Cool, cool. Start off. How's your mental?

[00:01:41] My mental. That is a crazy question and a beautiful question all in one.

[00:01:46] I feel like when it comes to our mental, we all have a lot of energy.

[00:01:50] I mean, I'm excited.

[00:01:52] I'm excited.

[00:01:53] I'm excited.

[00:01:54] I'm excited.

[00:01:55] I'm excited.

[00:01:56] I feel like when it comes to our mental, we all have some type of issue.

[00:02:01] But I feel like I'm maintaining my mental and the issues that are happening in my mental.

[00:02:06] But I'm grateful for being able to have the tools to be able to combat anything that tries to attack it.

[00:02:12] So.

[00:02:13] Before I get to the next question, I just noticed something.

[00:02:16] I got my little Jay Stone.

[00:02:20] She's super stunning on me.

[00:02:21] I'm like, she got that Thanos.

[00:02:24] Not Thanos.

[00:02:25] You know what I mean? That big infinity stone.

[00:02:27] I'm like, let me step my energy up. Let me step my chi up or something.

[00:02:30] I love yours. I love yours.

[00:02:32] This is a favorite song. I wrapped it.

[00:02:34] This is an agate, green flower agate.

[00:02:38] So it's a really, really good energy for chakra alignment and balance.

[00:02:42] Perfect, perfect.

[00:02:43] Cool. But you get it. It's synchronized energy.

[00:02:45] It is. It is. We in it.

[00:02:47] Michelle, for the people out there listening who don't know who you are,

[00:02:50] just give them a quick synopsis of who Kenyum Mahogany is.

[00:02:53] Absolutely. So I am a spoken word artist.

[00:02:56] I am a playwright. I'm an actress. I'm a producer, director, musician.

[00:03:05] I do a lot of everything.

[00:03:07] I feel like my purpose on this earth is to create.

[00:03:10] So I was created by the creator to create.

[00:03:12] That's my favorite, like, model to go with.

[00:03:17] But I'm someone who wants to be able to create and have a vision

[00:03:24] for the black diaspora to tell black narratives.

[00:03:29] I'm a storyteller by nature.

[00:03:31] So to be able to tell stories in a way if it's poetic,

[00:03:35] if it's theatrical, if it's, you know, with music,

[00:03:38] it's something that I strive to do.

[00:03:40] Cool. So there's a lot of places I can go,

[00:03:43] but I'm going to start with this.

[00:03:45] When did you realize you had that gift to be able to tell stories?

[00:03:49] Because I know a lot of us, even as kids, we were creative in the mind,

[00:03:53] but we started to lose that as adults in adulthood,

[00:03:56] but that stuck with you.

[00:03:58] Yes. I mean, I can remember growing up, right?

[00:04:01] Like, I was that kid that would be in the living room

[00:04:03] and there would be company over.

[00:04:05] And my mom and my family, I'd be like,

[00:04:07] Mom, I made up a new dance. Look at everybody.

[00:04:09] Look at everybody. And they'd be like, oh, Kenya, she's so cute.

[00:04:12] Look at her. She's doing a little another routine.

[00:04:14] And so I felt like that performing was something

[00:04:18] that was like a passion of mine.

[00:04:20] I love performing in front of my family.

[00:04:22] I love just doing things and creating and making up songs

[00:04:26] or making up, like, just creative things.

[00:04:28] And so I found the niche of kind of honing in on that

[00:04:32] when I started to write poetry.

[00:04:34] I was actually a rapper in this rap group.

[00:04:36] I was the first lady in this rap group.

[00:04:38] So I did a lot of, like, lyrical things

[00:04:40] and just understanding that my passion for writing

[00:04:45] was beyond just that.

[00:04:48] It was more of a combination of wanting to perform.

[00:04:52] It was therapeutic when I would get on stage.

[00:04:54] It was something that made me release anything

[00:04:57] that I was holding in.

[00:04:58] So, yeah, it was very much easy.

[00:05:01] I felt like I fell in it very much.

[00:05:02] Like, this wasn't my purpose.

[00:05:03] Like, I had no other choice to do anything else.

[00:05:05] Right. Followed your purpose.

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:07] Okay, so spoken word.

[00:05:08] Let's talk about spoken word.

[00:05:10] So as a consumer, again, like, I'm not really

[00:05:13] in the spoken word community.

[00:05:15] So just speaking as a consumer,

[00:05:16] I feel like there was a little time period

[00:05:18] where there was like this big bubble of poetry,

[00:05:21] spoken word on stage, open mics.

[00:05:24] Like it was kind of one of them things

[00:05:27] where everybody was just kind of hopping on that train.

[00:05:29] Slowly started to publicly fizzle a little bit.

[00:05:32] I'm just curious right now in 2024,

[00:05:35] just like where spoken word as an art form

[00:05:38] in an industry is.

[00:05:40] And I know you're deeply involved.

[00:05:42] So you could definitely speak on that a little bit.

[00:05:44] What are your thoughts?

[00:05:46] Well, I would say as far as the industry,

[00:05:48] like we can talk about like,

[00:05:50] like a national level or a local level, right?

[00:05:53] I could speak on a local level with poetry.

[00:05:56] I feel that the pandemic kind of

[00:05:59] stunted the growth of that atmosphere, that community.

[00:06:04] Just because it was a place where we all gathered

[00:06:06] and spoke on one mic.

[00:06:08] And now, you know, people were kind of afraid to speak

[00:06:10] on the same mic as COVID was going on.

[00:06:12] But I feel like the poetry community is revving back up.

[00:06:16] I have my open mic called House of Poetry

[00:06:19] that I do every fourth Thursday of the month

[00:06:21] at Vintage Theater.

[00:06:22] And so we're gaining momentum with that.

[00:06:25] There's a lot of other spoken word places

[00:06:28] that are still prominent.

[00:06:29] And there's so many new, some more,

[00:06:32] well, I'm a little bit older in the game

[00:06:35] when it comes to spoken words.

[00:06:36] I would say a lot of more younger artists,

[00:06:38] spoken word artists are coming up

[00:06:39] and they're doing their own thing in a different way.

[00:06:42] So it does look a little differently than how we kind

[00:06:45] of formatted it back in our time, you know?

[00:06:47] But there's still like Mercury Cafe.

[00:06:49] There's still Slam Nuba.

[00:06:51] So there's still these pockets of poetry venues

[00:06:53] that are still existing that have been here for years.

[00:06:56] But I do agree with you, it has kind of dissolved in a way

[00:06:59] and it hasn't been as prominent as I would love it to be

[00:07:02] just because they're just different dynamics.

[00:07:04] Yeah, so and, you know, our culture is funny, man.

[00:07:08] I love us.

[00:07:09] I love us both.

[00:07:10] There's, you know what I mean?

[00:07:12] And when you say like poetry or spoken word,

[00:07:14] a lot of people paint a certain picture in their head

[00:07:16] and they kind of have this like stereotypical avatar

[00:07:19] of what a poet is and how you should act.

[00:07:21] And, you know, it's the, ah, yeah.

[00:07:24] And it's like really poetry is such a heavy piece

[00:07:28] of the culture.

[00:07:29] I mean hip hop, rap, R&B, that's this is all spoken word poetry.

[00:07:33] It's all lyricism.

[00:07:34] So what are your thoughts on that kind of just, you know,

[00:07:36] people's overarching view of what poetry

[00:07:39] and spoken word is?

[00:07:40] I feel like people underestimate poetry.

[00:07:42] I feel like they don't understand the power.

[00:07:45] Like I said, I'm a storyteller

[00:07:46] and when you are storytelling in a poetic form,

[00:07:49] you get the attention of your audience

[00:07:51] in a way that you wouldn't be able to

[00:07:54] if you're just telling them the story.

[00:07:55] But it's a rhythm.

[00:07:56] It's a cadence.

[00:07:57] It's a way that you're able to captivate your audience

[00:08:01] in telling this story so you can talk about any topic.

[00:08:04] And if you're able to execute it in a very much like,

[00:08:07] you know, creative way, then you're able to be able

[00:08:12] to reach someone and get your message across.

[00:08:14] So with that, I feel like, you know,

[00:08:19] poetry is still very much important.

[00:08:20] And I feel like people just kind of underestimated.

[00:08:22] I have someone asked me to do a poem for their event.

[00:08:26] And I feel like anybody that says little is belittling you.

[00:08:30] Oh yeah.

[00:08:31] So when they say, oh, can you come and do your little poem

[00:08:33] at our event?

[00:08:34] And I'm like my little poem, I was like, okay,

[00:08:37] I could do some spoken word.

[00:08:38] What's your budget?

[00:08:39] Oh, we don't have it.

[00:08:40] We just want you to come.

[00:08:41] We don't have a budget for that.

[00:08:43] So they underestimate having to pay the artist.

[00:08:45] You know, and it's like we are still artists.

[00:08:47] We are creating, we are writing,

[00:08:49] we are performing to come to your event.

[00:08:51] You have to pay us.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:53] So people I feel like underestimate poetry.

[00:08:56] Absolutely.

[00:08:57] Man, that little, that's a pet peeve of mine.

[00:09:00] I can't stand that.

[00:09:01] I don't.

[00:09:02] Anybody that says you got a little anything.

[00:09:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:05] It's just what are you trying to say for it?

[00:09:07] What are you trying to say?

[00:09:08] I know a little nothing.

[00:09:09] Big things over here.

[00:09:10] For sure.

[00:09:11] But sure.

[00:09:12] So fast forward and just talking about storytelling and theater and stage plays.

[00:09:18] Let's talk about that.

[00:09:19] And just how do you feel about your position in the world of stage play and theater?

[00:09:27] Well, I mean, I started theater because I like I said, I love performing that release

[00:09:33] on stage.

[00:09:34] When I got into the theater world and tried to expand, you know, more so into the

[00:09:38] theater world, I felt like a lot of people with black actors in Denver,

[00:09:43] Colorado, they stereotype you and they put you in a box.

[00:09:46] So can you play the slave?

[00:09:48] Can you play the Mamie?

[00:09:50] Can you play something that is not conducive to, you know, I mean, that

[00:09:54] stereotype of black people.

[00:09:55] And so I was tired of that narrative.

[00:09:57] And so I was like, I'm going to take a break from being an actress.

[00:10:00] And I want to write the stories that I want to see.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:04] And so taking that on, I started writing plays and and putting black people in

[00:10:09] prominent roles that they were normalized in, not the gangsta, not the drug

[00:10:14] dealer, not the, you know, the stereotypes that we see every day.

[00:10:17] And so with that, I wrote colorism, which is colorism is basically intra

[00:10:24] racism when it comes to discrimination in your own race or your own culture.

[00:10:29] And so I felt like that was a need for my community, right?

[00:10:32] And I was like, okay, my community, we are separated by color.

[00:10:36] Unfortunately.

[00:10:37] Yeah.

[00:10:38] And this is a very disheartening thing because we are all the same people.

[00:10:41] We are just a mosaic array of people.

[00:10:44] And so I wanted to kind of build that awareness and write a very

[00:10:47] interesting play.

[00:10:48] So I wrote this monologue play called colorism, which won an

[00:10:51] award, a Henry Award in 2016.

[00:10:54] So yeah.

[00:10:56] But this, this play really talks about just our community and how

[00:11:01] we discriminate and discourage our own when it comes to skin tone

[00:11:06] that we have no control over.

[00:11:08] So that was something that took off.

[00:11:10] That was my first production that I did.

[00:11:12] And then after that, my company 5280 artist co-op kind of hired me

[00:11:17] in as one of their co-partners.

[00:11:18] And I was the playwright writer and wrote so many other, you

[00:11:22] know, different short plays for the production too.

[00:11:24] So I mean, it's been great.

[00:11:26] I love it.

[00:11:27] I think I'm more so in love with writing though than acting.

[00:11:32] Really?

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Why is that?

[00:11:35] Because I feel like you can be the boss, right?

[00:11:37] I feel like you have the tools.

[00:11:38] Like it's like a little chappet.

[00:11:39] You know, you have the power to actually, you know, tell people

[00:11:45] what to do.

[00:11:46] And it's a fun thing.

[00:11:47] I love being the boss.

[00:11:48] So, okay.

[00:11:49] Cool.

[00:11:50] Let's stay on colorism for a minute.

[00:11:51] So obviously black woman, professional black woman, let's just

[00:11:56] talk about some of the obstacles and challenges you've had to

[00:11:58] face just based on your melanin.

[00:12:01] You know what I mean?

[00:12:02] Like you said that intra-racism or that inter-cousalism where

[00:12:05] it's, you know, light versus dark or straight hair versus

[00:12:09] natural is just, you know the challenges.

[00:12:11] Let's just speak on that a little bit.

[00:12:12] Yeah.

[00:12:13] Like I feel like it starts in your family, right?

[00:12:16] Unfortunately, like when you're growing up, like for me,

[00:12:20] I was like middle.

[00:12:21] Like I had lighter skin cousins and I had darker skin

[00:12:23] cousins.

[00:12:24] And with our cousins, we would all hang out and play together.

[00:12:28] And then sometimes I would hear, oh, she's a pretty dark skin

[00:12:31] baby.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:33] And it's like, oh, like why can't she just be a pretty baby?

[00:12:36] Oh, she's pretty full of dark skin or the lighter skin

[00:12:39] cousins getting more attention, you know, because

[00:12:42] they're lighter skin or having more credible or

[00:12:45] credibility because of that.

[00:12:47] But it starts in the family.

[00:12:49] And unfortunately we learn that from years of just, you

[00:12:52] know, being enslaved in so many different ways.

[00:12:56] And so we do it to our own.

[00:12:59] Being brought up in a family who, like I said, is a mosaic

[00:13:04] of a raise of skin tones and they discriminate you

[00:13:06] and they treat you worse because of your darker skin.

[00:13:09] And it's not just in the black community.

[00:13:11] It's also in the Hispanic community.

[00:13:14] It's in India.

[00:13:15] It's in, you know, the Asian community.

[00:13:17] So all of these things are happening versus, you know,

[00:13:21] if you have a darker skin, then, you know, you're treated

[00:13:24] less than.

[00:13:25] So colorism was something that was a needed thing that I

[00:13:27] felt like not just for entertainment on the play

[00:13:30] for a front but for awareness and education for the

[00:13:32] community.

[00:13:33] Absolutely.

[00:13:34] It's interesting that you said in the family too

[00:13:35] because that's something that I've never even thought

[00:13:38] about.

[00:13:39] But from a very young age it was just so natural

[00:13:42] that it was just instilled in you on accident.

[00:13:44] Like, you know, like you said, you'll have that

[00:13:46] cousin and you're like, hey, when that's a little

[00:13:48] black-assed, you know, you're a little black-assed

[00:13:50] Terry.

[00:13:51] Like, you just naturally just associate that and never

[00:13:53] really take into account how that might take that,

[00:13:56] how that might make that person feel.

[00:13:58] Mentally, yeah.

[00:13:59] Like I think you're doing the dirty dozens, right?

[00:14:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:02] Like, oh, you so black, you can't see your teeth in dark.

[00:14:04] And that's naturally what you go to.

[00:14:05] Right!

[00:14:06] And this is like what?

[00:14:07] And so that's internalized.

[00:14:08] It may be fun and jokes but that person grows up,

[00:14:10] that little kid grows up as an adult and they

[00:14:12] start to hate themselves in a way.

[00:14:14] And then they start to date other things that

[00:14:16] is not themselves or they start, like it's a,

[00:14:19] And there are things that are attached to that too.

[00:14:21] So of course, like hair texture.

[00:14:22] So you know, you're like how you say, oh,

[00:14:24] you're a pretty little dark baby and it's like,

[00:14:26] oh, you got good hair for such a, blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:28] And it's like, what is good hair?

[00:14:30] Good hair is healthy hair people.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:32] Healthy hair.

[00:14:33] And that's something, that's something.

[00:14:35] I'm glad we're growing as a culture about that

[00:14:37] because the whole good hair thing is like you said,

[00:14:39] good hair is healthy hair.

[00:14:41] It is healthy hair.

[00:14:42] It's not.

[00:14:43] Straight, perm, toxic, chemicalized hair.

[00:14:45] Speak on it.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:47] So yes.

[00:14:48] Sorry, that's a tangent.

[00:14:49] No, no, no.

[00:14:50] It needed to be saying.

[00:14:51] As an adult, I realized that because I was bad about

[00:14:53] that.

[00:14:54] I'm not going to lie.

[00:14:55] It's just like your first go-to jokes is colorism

[00:14:57] when you're talking to other people with your skin.

[00:14:59] And it's like, we got to get off of that.

[00:15:01] You know, you act in light skin and it's like,

[00:15:03] well, what does that mean?

[00:15:04] You know what I mean?

[00:15:05] Great, great.

[00:15:06] Yeah.

[00:15:07] But you know what I mean.

[00:15:08] I don't know if you remember like when they had

[00:15:10] this social media where it was like team dark skin,

[00:15:12] team light skin and they were going back and forth.

[00:15:14] That was one of the most excruciating times.

[00:15:16] I was like, come on, y'all.

[00:15:17] This is embarrassing.

[00:15:18] Because as a people man, yes, it's fun.

[00:15:20] I'm not going to see her act like it's not funny,

[00:15:22] but it's also damaging.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] It's also damaging.

[00:15:26] So we got to move away from that.

[00:15:27] So what you got coming up just as far as productions,

[00:15:29] anything you're working on?

[00:15:30] Well, right now at the moment,

[00:15:32] I directed a play called The Nacarima Society

[00:15:35] requests the honor of your presence

[00:15:37] at their first 100 years.

[00:15:39] It is a long title.

[00:15:41] Wait, that's the whole title?

[00:15:42] That's the whole title.

[00:15:43] Say it again.

[00:15:44] The Nacarima Society requests the honor of your presence

[00:15:48] at the celebration of their first 100 years.

[00:15:51] So this play is definitely a black history type play.

[00:15:55] It is set in the 60s and it talks about black deputants.

[00:15:59] It talks about the elite black people in that time.

[00:16:03] So it's a lot of socialism and economic status

[00:16:08] when it comes to black people in that time.

[00:16:10] And so it's a comedy,

[00:16:11] but it kind of shows like a parody

[00:16:14] of how these black people in this home

[00:16:16] don't care anything about what's happening outside.

[00:16:19] There's like voter registration rights with Martin Luther King.

[00:16:22] There's all the stuff happening there, like,

[00:16:23] we don't care.

[00:16:24] We're rich.

[00:16:25] We don't really care about them.

[00:16:27] But it's really funny.

[00:16:28] I think that these stories that I like to tell,

[00:16:31] not to tell personally,

[00:16:33] but as director you're envisioning the story

[00:16:36] and you're creating the story

[00:16:37] to amplify what the play is already.

[00:16:40] It talks about just the joy of black people.

[00:16:43] And I appreciate that because I'm tired of trauma porn.

[00:16:46] That's what I call it.

[00:16:47] Trauma porn where we only talk about our black history

[00:16:50] in a very struggling trauma way.

[00:16:53] Yeah, slavery, oppression.

[00:16:55] It's the same routine and I'm so tired of it.

[00:16:57] It gets exhausting.

[00:16:58] I just want to celebrate.

[00:16:59] I want to be happy.

[00:17:00] I want to normalize these stories so that you can see.

[00:17:03] We have joy too.

[00:17:04] And these times we have joy,

[00:17:06] even though there's turmoil going all around us,

[00:17:09] we still have time to love.

[00:17:11] We still have time to gossip.

[00:17:12] We still have time to laugh.

[00:17:14] And this is normalizing people of color

[00:17:16] instead of thinking that this is the only box that they're in.

[00:17:20] So the Nacorima Society plays until March 3rd.

[00:17:24] So it was an honor to be able to direct this play

[00:17:27] of nine different actors in this play,

[00:17:30] eight women, one man.

[00:17:32] And yeah, it's been an amazing experience.

[00:17:35] So that's what's happening currently.

[00:17:37] And that's at Firehouse Theatre Company.

[00:17:39] Just to put it out there,

[00:17:40] Firehouse Theatre Company is producing that.

[00:17:43] What I have coming up next is another theater project

[00:17:46] with Curious Theatre.

[00:17:48] If anybody's familiar with that.

[00:17:50] Curious Theatre does a collaboration with other theaters.

[00:17:54] So they have a theater in Boulder,

[00:17:56] a theater in Gunnison,

[00:17:57] and what they do is they do a democracy cycle

[00:17:59] where they get certain communities to talk about,

[00:18:02] like voting,

[00:18:03] to talk about what they want to see in their community

[00:18:05] to change, all of these things.

[00:18:07] And we as the playwrights have to write a play

[00:18:09] out of the conversations.

[00:18:11] So that's another project that I'm excited about

[00:18:13] because I feel like there's a lot of issues

[00:18:15] in our community that I want to highlight,

[00:18:17] especially this being the voting year.

[00:18:19] I think I want to talk about that as well.

[00:18:21] So that is an experience.

[00:18:23] That's the type of awareness and education

[00:18:25] that I like to bring.

[00:18:26] And that's the next project.

[00:18:28] Love it, love it, love it.

[00:18:29] Fire, are you working?

[00:18:30] You're working, you're working.

[00:18:31] Yes, you know, I'm booked and busy.

[00:18:32] But show.

[00:18:33] Final question.

[00:18:34] I'm going to remix a little bit because, you know,

[00:18:36] you are a mother as a woman of color

[00:18:39] and being a mother and being a creative.

[00:18:42] What is one solid lesson or piece of advice

[00:18:48] that you would give your children

[00:18:50] about pursuing their dreams?

[00:18:52] Don't listen to other people

[00:19:00] who don't have your vision

[00:19:02] or who don't think on the same

[00:19:04] like lines of passion as you.

[00:19:09] I feel like growing up,

[00:19:12] I had an idea of what I wanted,

[00:19:14] but there are certain people that don't see your vision

[00:19:16] that will talk you out of your vision

[00:19:18] because they don't see your vision.

[00:19:20] So I would tell my kids and anyone

[00:19:23] growing up to be anything

[00:19:26] is to listen to your instincts

[00:19:28] and your own gut and your own internal,

[00:19:31] you know, your own internal mind

[00:19:34] and just know that you are doing the right thing

[00:19:36] and not to have anybody advocate for you.

[00:19:38] I think sometimes I've allowed that to happen to me

[00:19:42] where I knew what I wanted,

[00:19:44] but because somebody else didn't see,

[00:19:46] they talked me out of what I needed to do

[00:19:49] and I look back in hindsight like, ooh,

[00:19:51] that was so wrong.

[00:19:52] That was not the right deal.

[00:19:54] So I would say that.

[00:19:55] So just go for what you know

[00:19:56] and follow your passion in your heart.

[00:19:58] Got it.

[00:19:59] Got to listen to yourself.

[00:20:00] Yes, absolutely.

[00:20:01] Cool.

[00:20:02] How can people follow you, keep up with what you're doing

[00:20:03] and all that?

[00:20:04] Yes.

[00:20:05] So people can follow me.

[00:20:06] I have my website,

[00:20:07] kenyanmahagany.com.

[00:20:09] So look that up.

[00:20:10] Kenyan Mahagany 11 on IG

[00:20:12] and Kenyan Mahagany Fashion on Facebook.

[00:20:15] Love it.

[00:20:16] Love it.

[00:20:17] Love it.

[00:20:18] Always an honor.

[00:20:19] Thank you.

[00:20:20] Miss Kenya Mahagany.

[00:20:21] Yes.

[00:20:22] Cool.

[00:20:23] Cool.

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