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[00:00:00] We tried to tell you, we tried to help you from hurting yourselves Broncos fans.
[00:00:06] It turns out the preseason undefeated streak didn't mean as much as we thought it did.
[00:00:14] Dan played that touching somber but slightly uplifting music.
[00:00:26] That's right, let it out, Broncos Country.
[00:00:29] We tried to tell you that it was coming but we understand that it still hurts when something
[00:00:34] you love.
[00:00:36] It's taken away from you.
[00:00:37] I can't hurt me more.
[00:00:40] And honestly a lot of you Broncos Country need to develop a call us here.
[00:00:44] This is going to be a while.
[00:00:47] Let it hurt.
[00:00:47] Let it hurt last.
[00:00:48] Let it hurt last.
[00:00:49] Kyle's.
[00:00:50] I'm just telling you.
[00:00:51] They just became nuggets fans.
[00:00:53] All right, they're not like you and I haven't seen this kind of pie was born in the dark.
[00:00:58] Yes, correct.
[00:00:59] You adopted the dark.
[00:01:01] Yeah, I was just like a Yoda.
[00:01:04] I liked it though.
[00:01:05] I think that would have been a choice by Tom Hardy and I would have liked it.
[00:01:10] They should remake that.
[00:01:12] I'm excited for Joker by the way.
[00:01:14] Yeah, I'm delighted.
[00:01:16] Tom, I wasn't excited about.
[00:01:19] And for as much as we predicted, I didn't predict that we would get two safeties and still
[00:01:27] lose the game.
[00:01:30] The Broncos lost opener 26, 22 Seattle late touchdown by bone X was really great running
[00:01:41] in the end of the only.
[00:01:42] He really did.
[00:01:43] He was going into the end zone.
[00:01:45] Like that I did.
[00:01:47] I was there for that.
[00:01:48] I was watching it live and man, as he got invented in, it looked wonderful.
[00:01:55] And the fact that I missed the whole first half, I was like, man, this is going great.
[00:02:00] It's not terrible right now.
[00:02:03] But yeah, apparently it was.
[00:02:06] Upon rewatcher, it was.
[00:02:09] It was a tough one.
[00:02:10] Let's just start with bone X.
[00:02:11] I think this has been the polarizing thing.
[00:02:14] Talk about the kid gloves.
[00:02:19] It's the classic like Gordon Ramsay meme where he's talking, he's doing the idiot
[00:02:25] sandwich with the one chef and then that's like the kid version of kid Gordon Ramsay
[00:02:30] and he's like, you beautiful child you tried.
[00:02:34] And that's how his post game felt with bone X compared to Russell Wilson.
[00:02:38] Like, bone X did like 12 things in this game that were worse than anything Russell Wilson
[00:02:43] did last year as far as decision making.
[00:02:46] And Sean was like, well, I mean we can't run the ball.
[00:02:50] I mean what do you expect from the guy?
[00:02:53] And obviously there's connections there but what was kind of, I know you watch the second
[00:02:59] half kind of live and then went back and caught things.
[00:03:02] What were your takeaways from the bone X experience?
[00:03:05] Because we were obviously less optimistic than I think a lot of people had it in but what
[00:03:10] did you kind of take away from it?
[00:03:12] My bar was not very high and I think it, I don't think he cleared it either.
[00:03:20] It was pretty bad.
[00:03:21] I mean he was not a, he wasn't showing any of the glimpses consistently that we saw on
[00:03:30] preseason where it was like, oh wow he had like a really nice throw there or he saw
[00:03:35] that read and he looked off.
[00:03:37] They got like there wasn't, there was no mobility really.
[00:03:41] He was outside of the touchdown run honestly.
[00:03:45] I don't know, it wasn't encouraging but I also was expecting him to sort of be overwhelmed
[00:03:52] about the situation by the moment.
[00:03:54] So it looked like he was and I wasn't that surprised.
[00:03:58] Yeah, I think one you have probably the best defensive coordinator last season coming
[00:04:06] and now with Seattle in Mike Donald.
[00:04:12] I think that showed and I think after the first few drives it really looked like Seattle said,
[00:04:22] oh, you're never going to throw the ball down field.
[00:04:26] And the other thing was like we're not scared of any of your wider receivers running by us or
[00:04:35] doing any of that and so they were just all over and kind of the equivalent of like, hey,
[00:04:45] bring them in boys.
[00:04:46] All right, like when you play in a kickball and PE, when elementary school and some kid who
[00:04:52] is terrible at kicking, you're like, there's no need to be that far out field.
[00:04:55] Let's bring this bad boy and we're not giving up a soft single here.
[00:04:58] All right, we got some real kickers coming up.
[00:05:00] We gotta get out here.
[00:05:02] That's what it felt like they did to bonix.
[00:05:04] The other thing that I thought that I do agree with some of the Broncos fans because I've seen a lot
[00:05:13] of them and a lot of talk about like, well, there's no separation.
[00:05:16] There's no this.
[00:05:17] There's no that.
[00:05:18] So I do agree with that, but also these were all the same people who were defending
[00:05:24] our talent and talking about how like, what's underrated?
[00:05:28] It's that.
[00:05:28] Well, so you can't have, you know, both things.
[00:05:31] We kind of we're always of the opinion that this wider receiver room sucked and that it was
[00:05:36] wild to pass the team pass through and it cut because of it.
[00:05:40] Yeah, especially if you're not, if you're going to play this conservative style,
[00:05:45] like if you're not going to use any burners, then why would you not just have a big body precise
[00:05:52] runner?
[00:05:53] One of the guys that he seemed to really like throwing to in the in the preseason.
[00:06:00] So I think the talent around him is really bad.
[00:06:08] Also like you said, he was horrendous.
[00:06:12] Um, there I think you saw that last touchdown drive.
[00:06:18] See, I don't kind of let off the gas and just kind of was like, all right, use clock.
[00:06:23] We're going to get out of here and they didn't they said, I don't think to be clear,
[00:06:26] they were like trying to let them score anything, but they weren't being as aggressive.
[00:06:30] They were kind of keeping in front.
[00:06:31] And I don't think that they thought that they could score even against that.
[00:06:35] And you started to see once again what the preseason looked like where it was like, oh,
[00:06:40] I'm comfortable.
[00:06:41] We've got cushion we're throwing it out for, you know, quick for these eight 10 yards.
[00:06:46] But earlier in the game, we those weren't there.
[00:06:48] He was a panic to back there.
[00:06:51] He also just missed Sutton on two that could have been first downs.
[00:06:57] One, he just way over through him and the other one maybe Sutton could have come down.
[00:07:02] But it was certainly behind him.
[00:07:04] So I thought the accuracy wasn't great.
[00:07:07] And then for how we've been hearing, you know, from Sean Peyton and everyone around the
[00:07:14] Broncos leaking things that we have, you know, a combination of goodwill hunting and a beautiful
[00:07:21] mind back there in the pocket.
[00:07:25] I did your fall.
[00:07:26] It was your fault.
[00:07:28] I mean, that picking the red zone.
[00:07:33] Sean Peyton would have gone out on the field murder Russell Wilson live on TV if you would have
[00:07:39] done that.
[00:07:40] Like, that was a grievous.
[00:07:42] He was getting blitz.
[00:07:43] He was under pressure.
[00:07:45] He couldn't see it.
[00:07:46] And it's a throw that like college quarterbacks always make when they're like used to having
[00:07:52] better athletes and those and they're like, hey, we're going to put it up.
[00:07:55] Give my guy a chance.
[00:07:56] It's like, actually there's no chance there.
[00:07:58] This safety is either going to murder our wide receiver or he's picking it.
[00:08:03] You are throwing outside the numbers.
[00:08:05] You're going to have to put air under it to get over this guy running at you.
[00:08:10] It's always getting picked.
[00:08:13] So that's my number one rule for bone X if I was watching film with him.
[00:08:17] I'd say, hey, if you can't see the wide receiver and you're going to try to float
[00:08:23] one down the sideline, I'd like you to not do that ever again.
[00:08:28] I mean, I'd like you for saying that you could should be giving bone X film advice.
[00:08:33] But that's pretty happy.
[00:08:34] I mean, I think that's pretty full proof.
[00:08:36] And I just make him wear a bracelet that said, what would will Levis not do?
[00:08:43] And then just do that.
[00:08:44] They know, I'd be like, hey, can you throw it to the other team?
[00:08:49] The single handedly cost your team the game?
[00:08:52] Yeah, don't do that.
[00:08:54] Will have us.
[00:08:55] Well, there was some really bad quarterback play across the board.
[00:09:00] The thing that I guess I wanted to transition into.
[00:09:04] So I agree, I guess I would say we were right.
[00:09:08] It was expected, but it was maybe a little bit worse for me than I thought.
[00:09:13] Like, we weren't even picking up the like,
[00:09:16] for yard, like on time where you're like, hey, that was on time.
[00:09:20] It's not enough yardage, but whatever running game looked terrible.
[00:09:23] I mean, there were the reports of the game outside of bone X that also looked bad.
[00:09:30] So it was not an encouraging start to the season to be sure.
[00:09:35] No, I, in a moment of weakness in the second half said to Dan,
[00:09:43] who was over there watching the game with me.
[00:09:46] I said, man, it's so much fun to watch Brian Greasy again.
[00:09:49] Because it was just that same feeling where you're like, I mean, technically sure.
[00:09:55] Like you don't still but like kind of in the game.
[00:09:58] But like you're throwing for like four yards and you're clearly terrified if someone's going to come
[00:10:02] at you. Like it wasn't good. So that that part's the it's the 10 point leading a middle school
[00:10:09] girls basketball game. Yeah, insurmountable. Insurmountable. Yeah.
[00:10:13] Um, but staying on the offense real quick. Um, I did want to, I, we talked about it last year.
[00:10:25] It came up again. The two teams that ran the lowest pre-snap motion was
[00:10:34] the Cleveland Browns who just don't want to put anyone with an arm ring, arms, length,
[00:10:40] reach of to Sean Watson for their own safety. Um, and they ran it only 12% and we ran it only 21%.
[00:10:50] All the teams in the bottom five did not win and did not score a lot of points. All the teams in
[00:10:56] the top five of pre-snap motion did win and did score points. Um, it feels like obviously
[00:11:05] the Saints got rid of the Sean Peyton disciple. They have Clint Kubiak. They got to play
[00:11:11] one of the worst teams in football in Carolina. Um, but obviously it looked a lot better.
[00:11:17] Um, they're and they used a very high percentage of pre-snap motion and kind of doing a
[00:11:23] more modernized thing. It didn't feel like Sean Peyton helped. Helped Bones a lot by like
[00:11:35] doing things that aren't hard on a rookie quarterback, but just make defenses easier to
[00:11:41] diagnose give them more things to think about. It felt like it was like, hey, we're either going
[00:11:46] to hammer this up the middle. We're going to pitch or we're going to throw a slant. Those are the
[00:11:54] three things we're going to do and one of the smartest defensive minds. Fingers crossed he doesn't
[00:12:01] see it coming. Like there was no like even we were watching in Thursday, I football and watching
[00:12:08] the bills and dolphins use their speed and running around and they're faking reversees. They're
[00:12:16] faking up the middle and it's not even asking the quarterback to throw. Well, but it's just keeping
[00:12:21] guys off balance and slowing the rush down a little bit. It's all that kind of stuff. It's
[00:12:25] infuriating because of the lack of skill position talent. Like you have to be giving those
[00:12:31] people advantages and even if you're not fast, just moving is an advantage. Being in motion is an
[00:12:38] advantage. So the fact that you're not doing it with inferior skill positions is even
[00:12:43] dumber than doing it or not doing it with somebody who's really good who might get open one
[00:12:48] on one standing flat footed like their tire. Tyre Kale doesn't need to be moving but they do
[00:12:53] it anyways because it's a massive advantage. So if you have somebody who sucks, I don't know why
[00:12:58] you're not giving them an advantage. So it's I don't trust Sean Payton. I don't think that he's
[00:13:06] doing a good job. I don't think that he, I think that the locker room is weird. The vibe has never
[00:13:14] been good. Like nobody's ever really come out and said like you know who's really building
[00:13:19] a strong culture of Sean Payton. Like I haven't heard that from players. I haven't heard that
[00:13:24] really from media. Like people believe in him as a coach but I don't think they're coming out and
[00:13:31] saying like oh this is like the bond on this team is incredible. Like I don't think that Sean Payton's
[00:13:38] vibe. So it's hard to stomach watching a rookie quarterback put in a bad position and that's
[00:13:51] what we said at the beginning of the year is like I don't know if this is worth actually having
[00:13:57] him go out there because the team is bad. So part of this might be that the talent is so bad that
[00:14:05] Sean Payton feels like he can't run a creative offense because one they won't understand it
[00:14:09] I guess or like but if that's the case then you can't be a get a healthy. I'm sorry. Like you can't
[00:14:17] suck and be stupid. Like you can either be really good and you can be dumb. That's all right
[00:14:24] we'll draw it in the sand for you. And we'll honestly we'll get crayons out on the field that's
[00:14:29] fine but you can't be more of an empty and need crayons. It can't be bone mix is fault either because
[00:14:35] he ran this type of offense at Oregon. It's not like he hasn't executed this type of pre snap motion
[00:14:41] pre-stamp calls like sure he probably can't read the defense but like somebody else can do that.
[00:14:47] Somebody else can do that. Like it's hey yeah that guy followed that guy all the way over there.
[00:14:53] No I predict they're not in zone if he bothered to do that. Now obviously defense is play games
[00:14:59] at that moment. Right? Like put I'm just saying like there's such an advantage and the reason
[00:15:05] team stopped playing so much man is because the chiefs were using so much motion and so much like
[00:15:12] slants running guys off of people that it was like how the f-du-guard Travis Kelsey and Tyree
[00:15:19] Kilburn they're doing this. And I don't see any of the things that would have
[00:15:25] tested especially in a week one where I think sometimes you can get big plays on like just
[00:15:32] overhyped up players where you're like oh this guy's flying to the ball. Oh we ran a reverse
[00:15:39] or we ran a little misdirection or we ran a little some some. It just feels like Sean Payton
[00:15:47] has been sniffing Sean Payton's farts and last year didn't humble Sean Payton in any way he said
[00:15:57] oh Russell Wilson sucks I've been successful all of this time I've had all of this like
[00:16:04] I don't know you know like it didn't feel to me like I thought maybe Sean Payton would be
[00:16:16] like a little bit more unleashed with Bonax because he clearly didn't believe in Russell well
[00:16:22] so he clearly didn't do things but like it looked pretty uncreative and pretty stupid and
[00:16:28] if he does that this upcoming week he is gonna get absolutely jackhammered by this Pittsburgh
[00:16:37] defense who f-dup a Atlanta team that has actual skill position players who we've been through
[00:16:44] for to that game. Before we do I wanted to ask you defense because that was the thing that I thought
[00:16:48] actually was a little bit better than I thought the Seattle figured it out the second half a
[00:16:53] bit but to hold them and check for a half with those wider severs I was actually lock us hiding
[00:17:00] up yep but still I thought he was better than I thought he was gonna be and obviously
[00:17:06] sertain was the nice part about that is that you have sertain so like one of those wider
[00:17:11] severs is neutralized like that's two our point in the preseason like the best way to beat
[00:17:16] this Broncos team is to have multiple threats and like the Seattle's have multiple threats and
[00:17:21] they're gonna figure it out I don't think the defense is bad well that I think that they're
[00:17:26] gonna get bad because the more tape the team tab on this like there's not going to be a second
[00:17:31] third version of this defense that we see during the year and so I think yeah they looked okay
[00:17:37] sertain was unbelievable which is a big reason why they were even in the game in the first place so
[00:17:43] I mean he even the balls that DKM outcalf caught on him it was like well no no no no no no no no
[00:17:49] yeah and you got to yeah it's just like oh I'm right here actually yeah I also I want to
[00:17:57] I have a quick sertain conspiracy theory for you not even conspiracy theory just like I want
[00:18:03] to give him credit potentially for it sertain is notoriously like doesn't celebrate doesn't
[00:18:10] you know like he might do like a quick you know like the Ze belt thing or something but he's not
[00:18:15] very he's not Jayne Ramsey out there right or like talker who absolutely got torched
[00:18:21] on that yeah running back so he's uh but he is first play they throw it his way and it was
[00:18:37] big third down he knocks it away and he gives them the tumbo figure way to betcalf
[00:18:43] and I thought to myself I was like you know what I think sertain is so smart that I think he's
[00:18:51] trying to get metcalf throwing out of this game because metcalf has a history of like when
[00:18:56] he gets mad and like he'll get extra curricular with guys and all the sudden that it sertain is like
[00:19:02] all right then I could go go and then try to get him throw yeah look it will but then like
[00:19:10] you're big of lock it who made a huge catch you know catch the game but like still not a
[00:19:15] biz big of a threat so I wanted to run that by because I do think sertain is like trying to not
[00:19:21] lovely play his position but be like kind of what you're talking about that you wish patented
[00:19:28] for the offense where he's like all right I have to make up for some real deficits out here how can
[00:19:33] I make such a big impact on the game that I can almost Jedi mind trick it people into either
[00:19:39] being like give me a ball over here come on I'm not scared of him or be like he's so effective we
[00:19:46] can't throw over there ever and be like well you can't because we're gonna play some sometimes
[00:19:51] right you know like it just it feels like he's trying to affect the game in a bigger way that
[00:19:56] which is cool I love I love the theory and I I'm fully subscribed to it even if I didn't
[00:20:06] believe it was true I've subscribed to something like that because I want it to be true um but
[00:20:13] the thing I will say about him is it reminds me of the champ Bailey days where like you just
[00:20:19] look at the side of the field that he's on you're like well I could not watch over there because
[00:20:23] the odds of them going over there are very slow like you just don't want to throw it the guy
[00:20:29] and that's really fun that's what I knew Gino was lost at that point in the game because I was like
[00:20:34] hey if it's third down I would never in my life throw that into it like it would have to be like
[00:20:41] like it's better than nothing but um but the I thought Alan was really good in the middle
[00:20:49] the thing that did concern me is this time more on that run defense breared it's ugly head again
[00:20:55] and that to once again I guess kind of transition us into this one that's a problem first
[00:21:02] because you need Justin Fields to have to throw the ball here and if you're getting gashed on the run
[00:21:10] it is going to be a long as day for bonex in the boys plus Justin Fields might have 80 yards
[00:21:17] in this game rushing I was gonna say you might have I'd be a good day throwing for him so that
[00:21:23] would be I was like oh you really think Pekins is going to get loose for one uh 50 yards in one play
[00:21:29] and 30 the other three quarters I yeah I'm not confident coming into this one
[00:21:35] alright let's talk about it home opener we kind of thought it was going to be the Russell Wilson
[00:21:40] revenge game he um Mike Tomlin looked at him and was like you're hurt now no you're hurt now
[00:21:50] you suck actually you're hurt now um and played Fields Fields was fine versus Atlanta
[00:21:57] I had that on a screen um I mean it was really like it was pretty apparent that Atlanta was not
[00:22:05] going to score in that game and it just becomes so much easier to play call when you're like hey
[00:22:11] we can take six Field goals and we are going to below this team out and it felt like a blow out
[00:22:19] out there despite never getting in the ad zone now they come two Denver
[00:22:26] this line has moved up quite a bit it was Broncos minus one in the look headline now it's
[00:22:35] now it's Steelers minus two and a half um this is a very low-oh Runder I believe 36 and a half
[00:22:44] I can double check but um I guess let's start on the off I think let's start on the defense
[00:22:54] of side of the ball um how do you want the Broncos to attack this team because it feels like one
[00:23:04] of the few team drop 11 where we are not uh put everything in front of you and tried to make him
[00:23:13] from the ball I'll see I kind of feel the opposite it feels like these is one of the ones where
[00:23:20] they are not um you're not actually at a skilled deficit here uh this off it's a line is
[00:23:28] being up all they're going to want to do is run this ball and I would put eight in the box
[00:23:34] and I would say we were not rushing to sack Justin Fields were rushing to keep him in the pocket
[00:23:41] we're keeping our gap contained I guess if I'm letting long runs if I'm sure
[00:23:51] which I think this team has tried to do that in the past and it's failed so my idea was just to like
[00:23:57] let them get three yards but like just three yards don't trust that line looked bad after
[00:24:06] time and you know they're going to be some early three announced for our offense so you can't let
[00:24:11] them stay out there you need to get the ball back I just don't I don't think that this is a good
[00:24:17] matchup for us I think that this team is going to wear us down and they're that defense which
[00:24:25] we can get to the other side of the ball like that defense is fucking unbelievable so they're
[00:24:31] they're going to be pretty stingy on the other end and if they don't uh like if we give them a turn
[00:24:40] over to that's game like they you can't give them the ball so yeah that would be my breakdown of
[00:24:48] how I think things are going to go yeah I'm a little bit more optimistic here um I think this
[00:24:55] dealers team uh still has a terrible offensive line they still have pickings and nobody um as far
[00:25:03] I mean fireman was a pretty good tight end and good lord can we please never put Alex singleton
[00:25:11] in coverage there were some milk check plays out there that's the atleast running with their
[00:25:17] running backs but I think that Atlanta ran about as stupid of a game plan as you could have
[00:25:31] against what against what dealers are doing shunt no I just put something no I don't mean like
[00:25:38] in creativity wise I just mean like they were like well we need to get pits out in the routes
[00:25:44] we're never going to chip TJ watt so I go well it's a strategy but fortunately for us our tight end
[00:25:52] sucks so we can keep them in a block it's no problem um I think that um you were on to something
[00:26:02] when it's the it's the turnover battle right it's which one of these quarterbacks is going to
[00:26:10] throw a really stupid pick um and probably both of them will before it's all said and done but
[00:26:16] which one is gonna be in really bad field position you know like there's a difference between
[00:26:19] you know taking points off the board like nexus first picked it or you know like throwing a
[00:26:28] pick six like two it did tonight where it puts points for the other team I think that this broncos team
[00:26:39] is now a little bit undervalued and I think that the altitude and is still a factor early in the season
[00:26:49] this even though the broncos have been bad they're still a very profitable team to bet on
[00:26:57] as an underdog at home in the first four weeks of the season I think that Sean needs to
[00:27:08] throw more like he loves to throw a screen in there but he needs to throw more like
[00:27:14] misdirection reverse little more creative stuff I'm not expecting to see that to be clear
[00:27:20] but I absolutely think that the broncos could win a very ugly like 12 you know nine game
[00:27:30] to me this game is more of a toss-up just because I think it is while I think the steelers
[00:27:38] defenses undernile the best unit out there I think that Justin Fields and this offense are absolutely
[00:27:45] capable of losing this game by themselves for sure what's that cousin sal but doesn't
[00:27:54] need that like the other team to win the first half and steelers to win the game yeah that
[00:28:00] that is plus 750 to this weekend that might be the play honestly because I do agree that like
[00:28:06] this offense I think that the steelers offense has the opportunity to start slow because they're
[00:28:15] going to have to run the ball we know they're going to have to run the ball so I could see
[00:28:20] the broncos defense coming out tuned up ready to go slow you should be left where slowly
[00:28:25] starts to wear bone expats up 10 points in the first half and you're like all right well it's
[00:28:30] 10 to 3 but I don't feel good right now it's like and then they come back if it's 10 to 3 I would
[00:28:38] take a knee every time down and pump the ball and I would I would call Sean Peyton an innovator
[00:28:44] and a genius on this podcast I'm actually there is no way Justin Fields can score a touchdown
[00:28:49] by himself I'm gonna that's I think wrong I'm gonna bet the broncos win the first half and the
[00:28:55] was to win the game live on the podcast right now because I I disagree I think like I said I
[00:29:04] think it's an ugly game but I would take the broncos here I don't I'm sticking with my preseason
[00:29:10] thing I think that home field advantage matters and I think that also Tomlin as a road favorite
[00:29:20] is actually not good he's a classic raw rock guy like if the broncos had upset the c-hocs and
[00:29:27] were somehow favored in this game oh good but I think Tomlin's raw rock here is that like we can
[00:29:35] win this division like did you see the Ravens like you you don't they didn't even think we were
[00:29:41] going to win six games seven games whatever like he's you know he's getting in there here that's
[00:29:46] he's one of the better coaches than the NFL so I love to say I think they're gonna come up ready
[00:29:51] but it had some let down totally and you're you're probably right that the value might be on the
[00:29:57] broncos money line here like yeah if you were gonna bet I think that is probably the way to go
[00:30:03] but like I'm gonna take plus seven fifty with the double result there yeah no I I can't hate it
[00:30:10] I hope to see like I can also hedge yeah if you had I guess I have my number one wish is
[00:30:21] like more misdirection I'm not gonna get crazy and ask for pre-stam motion but just some things
[00:30:27] that make it can potentially slow down TJWAT from murdering our rookie quarterback in future
[00:30:34] the franchise that would be my if you gave me one wish for this game that would be mine what
[00:30:41] would be your wish for the broncos it could be offense defense special teams but something strategy
[00:30:47] wise that week one you were just sitting there like um I think I would like bonus to try not
[00:31:01] throwing the ball just don't ever throw it only pump fakes pull it down go for run I just I don't
[00:31:11] think it's worth it yeah it's uh it's gonna be tough you know if it gets make a face patching in the
[00:31:16] boys uh out there well in that past rush is dangerous like like can't be dropped you it's got to come out
[00:31:24] yeah I I guess this is this is actually my wish I hope oh next day's healthy yeah because that
[00:31:33] they are mean up there they're not going to come in and give you a little tap they're going to hit
[00:31:39] you so yeah that would be my wish yeah um what do you make of by the way the obviously
[00:31:47] it came out that a similar is uh the rookie running back as out um for a while what do you make
[00:31:53] the fact that javante really didn't get a lot of carries maglaga was getting a lot you
[00:32:00] and after he fumbled I think put it on the ground Peyton loves a split backfield that's why
[00:32:05] everybody is hated playing like I'm just saying I thought it would be a little bit more 70 javante
[00:32:12] wear on I think and then javante reportedly had an unbelievable camp so like I didn't love what I saw
[00:32:19] but I'm just I honestly I think this is my biggest frustration is like the talent
[00:32:25] identification is so bad it's the problem that the rock is a bad for years they can't
[00:32:31] they don't know when they have a good player and they can't figure out how to use them and
[00:32:36] use the players the good players that they have and an effective way it's infuriating to watch
[00:32:43] yeah especially when you don't have a lot of them you're like hey well yeah if you're
[00:32:48] good guys so maybe let's try to get like even if mims is an idiot can we run them on a
[00:32:55] double reverse or something like the guys fastest hell just point him in the right direction
[00:33:00] yeah now it they don't make sense to me all right so
[00:33:07] official prediction I'm going to go Broncos 15 Steelers 9
[00:33:14] Mark yeah we're we're in week seven last year form where you are just predicting Broncos victory
[00:33:22] in the angle he is way too fast and when did they go on their run baby
[00:33:29] see I will go um Steelers 14 Broncos 10
[00:33:38] you were laughing at me for the game you like putting same foot you've got 15
[00:33:46] how did the 15 they have to get a safety right now no no we can kick five field goals baby
[00:33:52] we don't even have to get the answer give them a little their own medicine
[00:33:59] but yeah it's gonna be hideous out there
[00:34:04] I honestly I think we could get like a touchdown but will let's mix is the extra point
[00:34:10] there's no way he's going five for five for field goals by the way
[00:34:14] we could be kick him from the one foot on and he'd find a way to miss one
[00:34:19] but he was really good in like madden 2010 though so good so good okay
[00:34:29] I think we wanted to get some just kind of quick week one tidbits
[00:34:35] yeah in there I missed most of week one so I want to hear your I want to hear your top three
[00:34:41] give me your top three take-less okay first take away the 49ers are fucking unreal
[00:34:51] I I bet it gets him on Monday night oh no I was here why didn't you text me
[00:34:57] I bet against him and you do that because the I mean the thing is I was feeling even better
[00:35:04] I got my bedded before my calfer was out oh man so I'm sitting there in the
[00:35:09] calfer news comes across and I'm like I mean I was just thinking no trend
[00:35:15] waves in camp and he had to get an IV no I youk and all the talent on the jets
[00:35:22] Solanosa you know all that it didn't I think Solama be a bad coat it's not good
[00:35:30] and it's even worse because I don't like they should have won that game
[00:35:34] like I actually the fundamentals I agree with your bad
[00:35:38] I think there's a stink on that jet steam also there's a stink there's a
[00:35:44] stink but it's the the refreshed optimism might be a little un-more-intended at this point
[00:35:50] and can I run this theory by you um Brock Perti I think is a really good regular season
[00:35:58] quarterback like I think people got some stink on the back because in the because in the playoffs
[00:36:06] he didn't look good last year right even on the way to the superball he didn't look you know
[00:36:10] super efficient super on top of it but I think week to week NFL like grind I think
[00:36:18] pretty pretty good and I think that was like the part that I missed on that was like oh they're
[00:36:24] not going to be able to score as much because Perti's kind of been figured out and he's maybe
[00:36:28] gonna have a comeback down to sort of week and or year he did not um the second thing I'll say
[00:36:36] is that these teams are running some true dog shit offenses um I it's the fewest touchdowns
[00:36:49] thrown in week one by like a absolute shit ton and I do not claim to be the exes in those genius
[00:36:59] of the NFL but it is the highest rate of teams playing too high you know too high covered to
[00:37:09] we're not getting beat over the top you you're not getting explosives against us which makes the
[00:37:15] bonix first in interception even worse because you can be pretty sure that a team is playing too high
[00:37:21] and the safety is gonna be coming across but it leaves so much space for like these zones and
[00:37:31] to if you're just precise and can get the ball out you should just be able to pick up six
[00:37:35] seven yards and put the ball down in the field but they can't do it and it feels like I don't
[00:37:51] feel like I specifically remember a Monday night football game in which the Broncos basically did
[00:37:59] what teams are doing and tried not to get beat over the top by the raiders and again I didn't have
[00:38:06] it in completion and try to brown and Jerry Rice just caught everything underneath and they just
[00:38:12] carved us up with these long drives and just beat the hell out of us and like scored almost every
[00:38:18] time they touched the ball and it doesn't feel like there's it feels like maybe the
[00:38:26] like maybe the chiefs can do that and that's kind of it like a consistent you just trust them to go
[00:38:35] down the other day I guess to say like my homes is the first person who really started to see
[00:38:43] this type of yeah he's had a lot of and it's kind of crazy that teams have just now started
[00:38:50] to do it against the rest of the NFL but I guess the thing I will say is it takes discipline right like
[00:39:00] and what we just watched with to a like hypothetically that's a team that should be able
[00:39:08] to do that that's what the whole thing is sort of built on like you just are you know exactly
[00:39:13] where the guy's gonna be it's all timing and if the zone is right and if you can read it
[00:39:18] but we watched a lot of that just go downhill for to it tonight so that timing if it's bad
[00:39:27] and I guess the last point I'll make is that with the new preseason I think you're point about
[00:39:32] it just like being off I mean coaches are now saying like these first four weeks or basically
[00:39:39] preseason so a lot of these mistakes are are good to note but I do wonder how much of it'll get
[00:39:46] yeah it just feels like I understand in theory the idea that if you can play heavy and show
[00:39:55] run the same thing out of the same look all the time it can be more effective. I also just think
[00:40:03] that if you still just run the spread and say we're not running the ball because you know
[00:40:10] we're talking during this Miami game and there were some you know very creative runs sometimes
[00:40:15] where they you know bus or but there'd be so many times or it just be one yard or stuffed and then
[00:40:21] the middle it's not they're not having creativity on the runs like they're having an in the
[00:40:25] past game and it's just like hey like the check down dump off is usually good for two yards
[00:40:32] so if you can't get that consistently let's just go back to win Tom Brady was throwing the ball
[00:40:40] 50 times and they were spreading them out and saying hey did that's fine you're going to bring
[00:40:46] those safety's down here or we're going to find your milk check in there if we're going to get
[00:40:52] some linebacker on somebody we're going to find little zones to sit in and we are just going
[00:40:57] to get this ball out of there and it feels like that's a kind of strategy that isn't the
[00:41:09] enhanced kind of the gold standard right now and that's not what he does it's a lot of it but yeah
[00:41:15] Mike Shannon yeah and it is unbelievably fun to watch what it's but it's cool but
[00:41:22] you have Christian McCaffrey and Brandon are you can rock party but to be clear
[00:41:26] you're pushing and diving everybody it's pretty cool to be clear teams aren't playing two
[00:41:30] high versus them because their runs team are too good you have to bring one down to the box
[00:41:35] so they can get more explosives with the right there so yeah so you're not them so kind of what
[00:41:42] we were talking about with Broncos right like you need to try to maximize what you can do to win
[00:41:48] the other team that I'll say was surprising to me was I was pretty surprised by how bad the
[00:42:05] look it's rookie head coach it's all of that but I probably said it might not be an NFL
[00:42:12] quarterback like it just might we might be at that stage that this early I it was on a screen because
[00:42:21] we may have teased up the Panthers to 11 points and which is normally a dash bath it's a cash bet
[00:42:31] normally in the NFL and it was the only part of our three team teaser that was
[00:42:36] didn't look at those but 10 very much no so I think the Panthers might be headed for a really bad season
[00:42:46] and the other thing that I'll just say is don't over yet to week one like the Saints aren't actually
[00:42:54] good hey hey that's my fantasy quarterback you're talking about well he's not actually good either
[00:43:03] I hate to break that T as well that's a double, double bad news for him I suppose
[00:43:11] and the Patriots aren't good like definitely they like there's just some like over action
[00:43:19] I don't think the Steelers are good when the coach arrives after they win the game yeah that's
[00:43:25] that's not a good sign for the rest of their season oh but they're so overdrive that they want
[00:43:30] to get oh my god what you guys really suck at all every practice I honestly didn't think we were
[00:43:38] gonna complete a pass out there today like yeah Jacob be honest where your eyes closed and most of
[00:43:45] I love I can't believe you guys absolutely just walked as backwards into a victory
[00:43:53] I'd like to thank that tight end from the Bengals honor what that idiot was doing
[00:43:58] stretching the ball out after the first down fumbling it so yeah it's not over yet
[00:44:04] week two is be my lies a little little tidbit and Brasian son NFL quarterback and NFL coaches
[00:44:11] let's stop stop attacking this way I love that dude said don't over react
[00:44:18] I think we saw some things last year no I'm not disagreeing with you I'm not I think
[00:44:29] he definitely needs to go somewhere else I actually the Broncos the Broncos should pick him up
[00:44:36] I'd love for the Broncos to get him yeah we could watch someone else suck at our
[00:44:42] offense just Zach Wilson could come in we could have traded him for Zach Wilson maybe
[00:44:48] you might kiss Russell is free well I mean he's free but all might be a longest yard situation
[00:44:56] I'm at her work release baby we're just gonna take all these terrible as old number one picks
[00:45:06] yeah that that's the biggest bomber is that I don't have faith in Sean Payton to rehabilitate
[00:45:12] like a quarterback right now right like I don't have faith for that at all in this offense and
[00:45:18] what it is now if our quarterback I wouldn't want to come here to be rehabilitated because it's not
[00:45:23] offense that anyone else runs so it's not like you're putting things on tape that are going to be like oh
[00:45:29] well we want that guy it's terrible all right let's get to our picks here right then is gonna
[00:45:38] start keeping track now week one was clearly a warmup right out the gates right I am I'm taking
[00:45:47] the Broncos plus two and a half I'll take that minus one ten there like I said I just think
[00:45:58] this is an overreaction to these dealers I think the Falcons did not respect TJ Y and the defense
[00:46:07] enough and I promise we're gonna we're gonna provide help and you know who I hope comes in
[00:46:14] to provide the help crumb you can only fight athleticism with athleticism out there and they said
[00:46:21] they've never seen someone move like him even though he's not very good at blocking forward
[00:46:27] they said his movement is really cool so I'm glad he's on the team and we can bring him in
[00:46:33] his tight end because we're not throwing to him anyway so we can just go heavy on the line but yeah
[00:46:39] this is more of a fade the Steelers than a like long term you know like this is a turning point in
[00:46:45] the season for the Broncos sort of bet but yeah I think this is good value what's your first one here
[00:46:52] I'll stay with the same game I'll take my Broncos first half Steelers Moneyline plus 750
[00:46:59] perfect and for the listeners at home what we do is we put one unit on each game so if Ryan wins
[00:47:07] obviously say our unit is $10 right now or unit is $20,000 yeah I mean obviously with the
[00:47:17] wild success of of the pod it's it's raining over here but yeah Ryan obviously can lose and does typically
[00:47:31] lose more bets but makes more money if that makes sense like he takes a little longer
[00:47:38] to the low percentage but so if at the end of the season when Dan gives our percentages and gives
[00:47:45] Ryan at like 38 but he's up like 10 grand and you're wondering how that happened at S. Gambling baby
[00:47:54] that's value baby yeah exactly my next one I'm gonna stay super ugly I'm taking the
[00:48:03] Packers plus three at home I watched because I had the Texans in a the Texans C-Hox in a money line
[00:48:11] parlay I watched all of that Indiana game or Colts game the Colts lost their best corner in that game
[00:48:20] they have one of the worst secondaries in the league already Anthony Rich sin only completed nine passes
[00:48:26] it just happened that two of them were some of the most impressive passes ever thrown in the NFL
[00:48:33] I don't think he's super good I don't think the Colts are super good and this line has moved
[00:48:39] like eight nine points based off the Jordan Love News I don't trust that
[00:48:46] I think LaFlor is a better coach I think Green Bay still has tons of weapons still a team
[00:48:53] that's built for right now where the Colts are not and so I just think this is value here and even though
[00:49:01] everyone is piling in on this so this might be one where you can wait and get it to three and a half
[00:49:08] and that way you know a field goal loss you win instead of push but I think that this team is pretty
[00:49:15] pretty good and I was actually
[00:49:21] weirdly I don't take too much away from the
[00:49:27] packers defense at that Eagles team that has way better weapons here and that field was terrible
[00:49:34] and so there were so many big plays that happened in that game because I think kind of a field
[00:49:40] conditions and what that was so yeah I give you the packers I like the pick I've got no notes
[00:49:50] not gonna I'll I might tell you in real life but I'm not gonna tell you on the pod
[00:49:56] but yeah I think there's value there I'm gonna do a little parlay for my second pick
[00:50:07] um as we know the Saints are at the Cowboys this weekend and Derek Car is their quarterback
[00:50:16] who referenced earlier I did and I'm going to take him to throw an interception
[00:50:21] and your fancy quarterback he's gonna have four touchdowns you'll be fine on my fantasy team
[00:50:28] that's out and I'm gonna parlay that with bonex to throw an interception
[00:50:34] which is minus 125 and this is a plus two oh eight parlay
[00:50:41] yeah um I mean hopefully for the Savior parlay the Broncos don't take your advice
[00:50:49] and just never have nicks throw but well otherwise I do agree that they are going to get
[00:50:56] real good fool um one of these times out there he's a rookie like I'm not even saying that to
[00:51:03] now take a crap on botanics like throwing one interception at minus 120 I was shocked to see those
[00:51:08] all yeah it's like that's that that is Vegas telling you that they don't think he's gonna throw
[00:51:13] the ball because it should be minus 140 right now and it low scoring ugly game like
[00:51:20] but yeah it's not good um but I like I like to pick there um my last one I'm gonna parlay
[00:51:30] this one uh I just I love it I love it so much um give me the Texans at home versus the rookie
[00:51:41] uh Caleb Williams who is honestly taking his lucky stars that will last just about the funniest
[00:51:52] thing of possible of throwing the pick and then in the background falling to his knees
[00:52:03] like a middle-heaval uh battlefield night you know seen his village burned I don't know if
[00:52:10] you follow art but make it sports yeah I'm sure they probably did something yeah that was awesome
[00:52:17] it's uh yeah so like Caleb Williams was terrible um the Texans were a different team of home last year
[00:52:25] I thought they actually looked pretty good running the ball with mix-in against the
[00:52:33] cults and I just trust strad here um and I think if you can get up early on this bears team I think
[00:52:41] okay Williams is gonna throw you one um that they're favored by six and a half but I'm just
[00:52:48] gonna take money line and then I'm just gonna take the uh C-hawks money line um they're at
[00:52:52] doing length so a little bit of travel um there however New England coming off an emotional um one
[00:52:59] in which as you mentioned Jared Mayo wept um that's because he realized he might have to coach this
[00:53:08] team for more than one season he's like oh my god I thought I was gonna get fired and only
[00:53:12] have to see you ugly, ugly, terrible players for one season um I think Seattle
[00:53:20] started slow but like it felt like Seattle was intentionally trying to lose for the first half of
[00:53:29] the game and then turned it on and was fine um I think that yeah they are going to do some heinous
[00:53:38] things to this uh line for New England that is actually really really bad um once again I don't
[00:53:47] have to mess with the three and a half um to worry about a field glory anything I'm just taking
[00:53:51] money line and I'm getting plus money there uh I'm getting plus 120 so plus one 12 plus one 12 sorry
[00:53:58] I just put it into the old calculator because I knew you were gonna uh I didn't even do it too
[00:54:05] I had done it before the podcast and it's been a sense there yeah you're not wrong
[00:54:10] well I mean when with our $20,000 about something that's I mean it's for sure
[00:54:15] I'm saying it's sense because that's how the rich people do it they're talking about
[00:54:19] thousands like that yeah yeah so that's my last one there what do you think I know it's a little
[00:54:25] chalky um but I feel like I'm kind of sticking to the same principles of Dona React to week one
[00:54:36] and I think that New England team is fraudulent and still one of the worst teams doing that
[00:54:41] New England 100% agree on Chicago rookie on the road Chicago I'm a little bit more worried about
[00:54:47] just because I think sometimes especially with that also Roman Dunesier is questionable yeah it's
[00:54:53] trending towards not playing it's a little bit I do believe in Caleb Williams so I could see him winning
[00:55:01] one of these games I do agree that it's not likely to be the Texans but it makes me a little bit nervous
[00:55:08] but I agree I mean I don't I'm that none of that is to say that I wouldn't make the bad just for
[00:55:15] that value it's fun more of a plus 750 man myself yeah that's fair enough it's fair enough
[00:55:23] I'm gonna go I'm just gonna do a straight bet on my last one I'm just gonna take the
[00:55:28] under in this Chargers Panthers game it's 39 I'm it's minus one 10 at 39 I'm just I don't
[00:55:36] really think that this is going to be a high scoring affair nothing that we saw from the Panthers
[00:55:41] or the Chargers last week told me that they were interested in scoring a lot of points so
[00:55:47] I think it would be an anomaly to see this game go over and it would honestly have to be turn
[00:55:52] over so I'm just gonna sort of bet against that and hope that they take care of the ball I like that
[00:56:00] I would also say typically when you see one of the lower numbers like this they can't make a low enough
[00:56:09] Vegas absolutely knows that people are gonna look at this and go but wait
[00:56:14] if both these two just a herber 20 to 17 were over here you know like there's some
[00:56:22] you know when you start doing the math in your head and you're like
[00:56:25] most of that felt yeah most do because most teams don't have a team like I mean the Chargers
[00:56:32] we had that on one of the screens and like they were just running like they could not score
[00:56:38] on their own for anything and that's not a great rate of defense by any strategy of
[00:56:45] adoration so yeah I like this pick also really slow pace of play from the Chargers too
[00:56:52] so it's not just that they run they also use the clock all time too so that's always something good to
[00:56:58] look at when you're betting this is what's the pace of play because even running team at the
[00:57:02] right now is good like he's not an explosive not a passer good for him is better for you
[00:57:10] I mean he's not going pick six think and dunk yeah it's it's the version of
[00:57:16] the Panthers that we want us to is him just like making these eight yard throws and having before
[00:57:22] your example yeah even it now to negative plays you 100% all right well we got six winners there I
[00:57:31] at least three oh well I guess we can actually have six votes because I do where against each other
[00:57:42] among them well no we could still because Broncos money line no I didn't take the money line
[00:57:48] I took him plus two and a half so a one point win with the Broncos lead at half I could totally
[00:57:55] see that happening just a field goal I hope for Dan's sake he's gonna be at the game I hope
[00:57:59] I don't lose on my last good field goal but I do got to do yeah it's all thing all right we're
[00:58:08] gonna put Dan onto this side watch yeah it's gonna be ugly if he's out there all right then thank you
[00:58:16] for listening we hope that Sean was listening and that he will not run the same three place
[00:58:25] because TJ's seen them now Sean let's put a little sub-mails on tape
[00:58:31] Condolize if you're listening hi we'll see you next week bye
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