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[00:00:00] It's a late week edition of the Blucifer Brothers. We were unfortunately given double
[00:00:06] technicals earlier in the week for some salty language and we had to wait but we're back
[00:00:12] now to discuss the NBA refs. Why do they hate you so much? What can the nuggets do?
[00:00:17] What can the NBA do? And how is Dream on Green related? Plus, we're getting into Broncos
[00:00:24] vs Lions. It's Saturday night in Detroit. There's no car fires. Just Russell Wilson. Dan, play that
[00:00:34] fucky music.
[00:00:40] All right, a late in the week, Lucifer Brothers coming to you Friday night here in the
[00:00:47] Mile High City Ryan. I am delighted to be spending my Friday night with my brother,
[00:00:53] are you on this Friday night to be here in Dan's survival bunker in the basement. Just recording
[00:01:02] about life. Yeah, I feel good. However, I will say and this is live, you know, he didn't know
[00:01:09] that's going into it but I will say my guess has been out at my apartment. There was a
[00:01:16] gasoline at my building, which in my building means that there's no hot water. There's no stove.
[00:01:25] There's no oven. And this has been I guess the last we'll say 48 hours. So I haven't
[00:01:36] shoured in 48 hours. Well, you're small and great. Thank you. You're not having showers. 48 hours.
[00:01:42] Can I say I'm within five feet. I feel like I'm within this moment here and your past
[00:01:48] in the test. I picked up some talk of all on the way up here because I really couldn't, you know,
[00:01:54] make food at my apartment. So yeah, I am feeling good despite the conditions, which I think is
[00:02:05] really like now that you have some context, the fact that I still am feeling good, I think really
[00:02:11] overcoming adversity out here is what you're doing. Yeah, it's beautiful to see. Well,
[00:02:18] let's get right into Orion. As I said in the intro, we are talking first about
[00:02:26] the state of officiating. I think the nuggets have been a topic obviously, J. Moun Green,
[00:02:33] got an indefinite suspension and I think those two conversations are connected.
[00:02:38] We have said on this podcast, if you listen to us last year, even during the playoff,
[00:02:44] we have said to Cole Yogich gets an absolutely terrible whistle. That was confirmed last year
[00:02:51] when something that nuggets fans have known all along but it was even confirmed by the data.
[00:02:57] The only data that we have available to us in the public, the last two minute reports. No
[00:03:06] two minute reports. And that was going back to 2015. So this is now eight years of use sucking
[00:03:17] against one team. That feels like if that was a league priority, that would get solved. Right?
[00:03:26] So I guess that's kind of the background data I wanted to get and then Ryan, I wanted to start with
[00:03:36] Yogich specifically. Why do you think he gets such a bad whistle? And why do you think he
[00:03:43] gets such a quick tech? Because we've seen this multiple times this year where there is
[00:03:49] basically no effort to keep him in the game. Like, there is no like talking him down or giving
[00:03:55] him a chance to say something that you see with other marquee star players. No, there's no like
[00:04:02] yeah, I guess the reason I think he's incredibly difficult to appreciate. He's a very physical player.
[00:04:12] So he initiates a lot of contact and then when he gets fouled through initiating that contact,
[00:04:18] he expects that foul to be called and that's a foul that's really hard to be called.
[00:04:23] The NBA, like it's probably the most difficult and he is so good at
[00:04:28] hooking your arm and pulling you into his own body and creating that contact. That I think it
[00:04:34] really is hard for officials to to appreciate. And when it's out on the perimeter, it looks so
[00:04:40] much different than when it's in the paint and he's doing it. So I think that's the like
[00:04:47] it isn't an excuse. Right? No, this is it's he's been in the league a while now. You just have
[00:04:53] not a ricetta. No, you just have to be better. Like you have to understand how to
[00:04:57] and the quick tech thing is the problem. Like that, that is not that's a league problem.
[00:05:06] That is a piece of I mean, the bull's fans were building. Right? Like that says something when
[00:05:15] the home fans you just threw out the best player in the game who is on the other team and they
[00:05:21] should have had that. That would be happy about that. Like it gives them a much better chance to
[00:05:25] go. And they're building. So like yeah, he called him a mother fucker and like arguably you can't
[00:05:31] do that. And Yoke had said that in the post game. He was like, oh, he crossed the line but like
[00:05:34] sometimes that's not a tech. Sometimes that's a that's the thing that I think we have to get down
[00:05:38] to which is the consistency across the league, which we can talk about, dryman, we can talk
[00:05:43] about the greater context. But I think it's like that consistency is what is frustrating on
[00:05:48] every level of it. Right? It's frustrating on the calls on the paint. Like he was getting a great
[00:05:54] whistle. Well, it was the last night against the, um, they played the nets. I'm sorry. I can't even remember.
[00:06:04] But he was getting a great whistle. So like something was said after that 100%. And then I said
[00:06:10] something to Sophie who was like, ah, like this was a league thing. They're like, okay, like we have
[00:06:18] to make this man happy and especially at home. But the, and sorry, I'm ranting now but my last point
[00:06:24] on this would be that I don't even look up his home road free throw splits. But I don't feel like
[00:06:29] it's any better at, at home. Like he, he should not be shooting the amount of free throws. He
[00:06:36] should, he's shooting like a, he shot 150 this year total. Like he's fucking seven feet tall and
[00:06:42] 300 pounds and is running full speed at people. Like there's no way he should be shooting that
[00:06:48] you free throw. So it's, it's frustrating. Yeah, um, a few things. So one I think, uh, your point
[00:06:55] about him being difficult to officiate is a good point. I also think that he does movements
[00:07:02] that MBA refs are not used to seeing. And so they go, oh, that's unnatural. You could lip read
[00:07:10] with Mike Malone. Um, and it was funny because the ref just like he shrugged and was like, okay,
[00:07:17] I'm going to be a valid point to Malone because you saw that home. Uh, it was the last one I attended.
[00:07:22] I'm forgetting who it was against. But the ref, you can read his lips. Um, or actually it was on the road
[00:07:27] because it was on TV, but the, you can read the ref's lips. The ref says the ref says he's, he's,
[00:07:33] he's like exaggerating the contact and Malone says is the hand check there on his stomach?
[00:07:39] He said, you can't fucking do that. And the ref was like, okay, good point. Like you're right.
[00:07:45] Like whether or not he's exaggerating or not, you can't hand check. Okay,
[00:07:49] which was where I think a lot of guys are getting away with the handshake that is what has
[00:07:58] allowed perimeter players to really flourish after they got rid of it. I mean, James Harden's career.
[00:08:05] Like right, that that for you to move movement stuff, it apparently just doesn't exist in the post.
[00:08:10] Yeah. And well, the hand, the hard part too is not always in the post to your where he gets mad at it. The
[00:08:14] post is when he's trying to initiate from that free throw line. He's dribbling down in there and
[00:08:19] he's like, they're hand checking me and pushing me the whole way or you can't do that.
[00:08:23] That's in the corner short post. Like he gets insanely frustrated there too. And it's,
[00:08:30] I mean, they have to cheat, right? Like he's the best part of the league. Like,
[00:08:33] yeah, I sent you guys the video of Anthony Edwards on complex baking like, yeah, he's the best
[00:08:38] player in the world that's not close. And so it's like, I think he's, the other thing that I was
[00:08:45] going to say is that it's not something that officials are seeing on a night tonight basis.
[00:08:49] Like nobody is acting this way in the post even though like really dominant. I mean,
[00:08:53] M. B. is the closest and he shoots the free throws all the fucking time. Like he lives at the line.
[00:09:00] But he doesn't look or the heart. No, he does a lot more of the hardened stuff that Yokeach just
[00:09:06] doesn't do anyone. He can't ever. So, but the rest are used to officiating that is my point.
[00:09:12] Right. The honest being the other dominant big man, but he's obviously much different than
[00:09:17] Yokeach. In shot 20, he made 25 free throws when he had 63 points out of the night. So he shot more
[00:09:22] free throws in that game than Yokeach has shot the entire month of December. So it, yeah,
[00:09:28] it was insane. He shot 32 free throws. And then, and then it's frustrating as a nuggets fan
[00:09:34] to watch Dramon Green do the shit that he's doing on a nightly basis. And M. F. The refs to high heaven
[00:09:46] scream at them point at them, which normally would be a tack for it literally anybody else.
[00:09:53] And I just, it's yeah, I think that I think in bead gets away with that all the brawl.
[00:10:01] You know, the whole point of being the best player in the league is that you should be able
[00:10:06] to argue with the officials. You should get like you should your rope should be way longer than
[00:10:12] somebody else in the league. And that's because they have to listen to you. Like, and I don't know,
[00:10:18] I mean, I love this. This brings me to the Charles Barkley story, Chris Weber told it,
[00:10:25] it was near the end of his career, but Charles went down there and Chris Weber said he,
[00:10:30] he basically intimidated the row into calling a file the next time down. Because Charles Barkley was like,
[00:10:36] he pointed to the ref and he said, in this having spot, he said, I have scored, you know,
[00:10:42] however many points, Charles Barkley scored. He said, you're telling me he didn't follow me.
[00:10:46] And at this point, I feel like that's kind of how Yokeach is. People have also talked about
[00:10:52] Jovelle McGee when he came to the notes was like, yeah, I think, you know, once you get the championship,
[00:10:57] that big playoff run, I think you'll get more respect. And so I think this year correct. I think Yokeach has
[00:11:03] been even more frustrated by it. I think the increased workload and I think the fact that the notes
[00:11:08] have played a crackdown against Yokeach has had a shorter fuse with the refs. My other theory is,
[00:11:15] I think the refs are, they are less receptive to like sarcasm or that because Yokeach has multiple times,
[00:11:28] where like the rest will be like, do you want to technical file and Yokeach will be like,
[00:11:31] I said, I didn't care. Like, I don't care. Do what you want to do. You know, like,
[00:11:35] and so on there it's like, oh, you don't care, you know? And almost the sarcasm stuff,
[00:11:41] which it shouldn't because in saying, I don't care. That is nowhere near as bad to me.
[00:11:48] As you coming up to me and being like, if you call the effort for how you're the fucking
[00:11:51] words, also everyone pointed out in the league rules, it says,
[00:11:58] profane language in and of itself shall not be the criteria for a technical file or refer in a
[00:12:05] section. I'm sorry. I think we're seeing it was pretty bad. I just think what we're seeing is like,
[00:12:12] these officials have and it's at every level. Like, it is a profession nobody wants to do
[00:12:19] because it's incredibly difficult and you get nothing but hey, nobody applauds you when you do a
[00:12:24] good job. We are only talking about you when you're doing a bad job. And the people that that
[00:12:31] industry is now attracting are the worst. Like, I guarantee you that none of these guys are fun
[00:12:40] to hang out with on a regular basis. Like there might be six, six refs in the entirety of the
[00:12:48] four major sports that are chilled to hang out with. Actually, I'm going to say three take the
[00:12:52] NIH out loud. I bet those guys were awesome. But they just, they have such a like,
[00:13:00] small man syndrome. Yeah, out themselves that and I think Yokech just scares them in a way that like,
[00:13:10] well, you're not supposed to do it. You saw him yesterday when the Brooklyn nets he was trying
[00:13:15] to pass ahead they found them and he said, hey, you're calling on the guy who was behind me. He's saying
[00:13:20] that's then that's a take file. And you can tell the rest are like frustrated because he's like,
[00:13:27] well, is that the ruler is it not? So I think that's one thing. I think absolutely the nuggets
[00:13:33] in general get a poor whistle. The ball gets found like a mother effort to. I mean, he made some
[00:13:41] months after the game. I think the, and I think the reason the small market is what you
[00:13:49] why it's such a detriment. The other team that was up there was Orlando and then Indiana,
[00:13:53] I think was third in that data. Those are Orlando obviously has been a traditionally pre-bad team.
[00:13:59] They're terrible. Indiana has had some success that maybe you could and has had players who draw
[00:14:06] fouls. Now that's in Paul George. No, but I'm saying the data went back to 2015. You know what I mean?
[00:14:12] So in that time frame. So what I'm saying is I think the fact that Yokech got to your point
[00:14:19] a more respectful whistle, you cannot convince me that the fact that Zach Low talked about it on
[00:14:25] this podcast, Kendrick Perkins talked about it. Steven A talked about it. Brian Win, horse talked about
[00:14:30] it and everyone came out and said, this is ridiculous. You cannot tell me that when the partner
[00:14:36] of the NBA comes out and says, this is stupid. Why are we doing this? The memo does not go out
[00:14:44] to those officials. Hey, we see what you're doing with Yokech knock it off. Right? No, I'm
[00:14:51] was going to say stop instigating him. The not trying to, you know, the new power. The name that you
[00:14:58] forgot to mention and the people that talked about it is Adam Silver. There's no way that that guy
[00:15:03] he didn't talk about it publicly but I guarantee you they talked to all of the or the head of the
[00:15:14] like, this is an asset to the league. It's probably the most important asset you have right now.
[00:15:20] You don't treat it that way and I understand why because it's not he's doesn't play in a
[00:15:24] Lakers jersey but like he's the best player in the league who fucking won the championship last year.
[00:15:29] Like treat him with some assemblants of respect. Like I honestly like if this was LeBron,
[00:15:36] if LeBron had gotten tossed like that in the game, which is unfap. I'm going to change the
[00:15:41] person even imagine it. I'm going to, what if it was even Devon Booker? Like if Devon Booker just
[00:15:48] got a quick tech and got tossed we would be having like yes you're right people were talking
[00:15:55] about it but it would be a huge story and somebody would have to comment on it. Like so I'm
[00:16:01] in should to see if that's a turning point is I guess my my thing is that hey you know
[00:16:07] is it now that that conversation has been had that the all of these because you know every
[00:16:15] team submits calls after every game only the Lakers leak it because they're cowards.
[00:16:24] But like now does that give some credence to it? To where the league is like okay yeah we're
[00:16:30] going to emphasize those with the officials of hey this is our champions we can't have the
[00:16:35] SPN and TNT talking about how people are just fouling the hell out of Yokeage all night
[00:16:40] and we're not calling it like we can't have that. I mean it's our product they want like
[00:16:46] the Lakers and nuggets rivalry is a good thing for them right now. Nuggets sons is fun.
[00:16:53] Us versus the Timberwolves could be there a lot of fun nuggets potential if they can get a nuggets
[00:16:59] Timberwolves rivalry going don't talk that will be very fun for the league. I'm just talking
[00:17:04] about for a league wide perspective right? I don't want those are younger teams because the
[00:17:09] sons you have Durant and LeBron who you probably well right now they're insanely marketable
[00:17:14] they're probably like the nuggets are gonna be here for a long time. At least four or five
[00:17:20] of your they have to start treating it like that and eventually it'll happen because
[00:17:26] he's too good for it not to like yeah and the other thing that I will say is that a lot of
[00:17:31] these officials are new so I don't know in particular with the guy in question this time but like
[00:17:37] if we're talking about the five-year official if we're talking about the broader
[00:17:41] landscape of like why this could be happening is that he is incredibly like he it presents
[00:17:47] a particular difficulty for officials and it might be that they I mean nobody watches
[00:17:53] the Oakage play anyways in the regular season like so many people told on themselves
[00:17:58] during the playoffs last year that they'd never seen him so like I think it is possible
[00:18:03] that they are gonna have to get a you stood a little bit and it will get better even without that
[00:18:09] like prodding from the league that I think probably did happen like it's possible that it just
[00:18:14] just will get better as there's continued to watch and to be clear with this when we say prodding
[00:18:20] from the league we're like I at least I am not saying I want yoke to get bullshit Falcals
[00:18:27] like I am never cheering for bullshit like I want it to be a fair game honestly and I want it to be
[00:18:36] a if you are going to say hey if your back's to the basket you can handcheck that's fine
[00:18:44] right I want it called consistent that's all yoke it's once if it's if you're in the shooting
[00:18:49] motion it's a shoot okay when yoke each fool's them when they're coming to foul him at the
[00:18:55] end of games and puts up the three given three free throws like we just want to fair whistle
[00:19:01] here as well we're talking about from league prodding because it's been so far with the data that
[00:19:06] we brought up at the beginning of this it is undeniably a bad whistle it's like that they overcame
[00:19:11] to win a championship it's like offensive holding it happens on every play like you could call
[00:19:16] foul on yoke each every time he touches the ball down the court and like we're not saying
[00:19:22] that you need to do that like that is ridiculous he doesn't want that either like nobody's
[00:19:27] asking anything that's like some unreasonable or like crazy thing it's just we're not asking for the
[00:19:34] makers whistle no we're never going to get that like but can he shoot 10 free throws a game
[00:19:40] like he shoots six free throws a game right now so like can we get to 10 can we get double digits
[00:19:45] for our biggest guy who's dominating the game yeah i i think that'll be especially interesting
[00:19:51] to watch with Murray back to see if because i know at least in some of in the past two years
[00:19:59] in terms of like fouls created per game yoke it actually was like creating a lot of fouls it's just
[00:20:06] a lot they would call a lot of non-shooting fouls and i mentioned with a fully healthy Murray
[00:20:11] if he can make those be bonus free throws because yoke it's also in the first half he got
[00:20:17] into the bonus as a team struck about like yes he will be exactly and he will go at somebody
[00:20:24] and try to get that foul so yeah so it's all very interesting to see i guess to be solutionary
[00:20:31] and to kind of bring it to drama and i think once again i i think that the league there are so many
[00:20:37] technically like true rules that are not fun to if they were enforced every night to your point
[00:20:45] like when Chris Paul got that i teed because he came to the game without his jersey with his jersey
[00:20:51] I'm talking to no one wants that teed in the game i don't care if guys hang on the room a little bit
[00:20:57] long right like i so to me i'm like clearly with a new refing crew they have shown
[00:21:06] themselves to be unworthy of judgment calls so to me i want it to be much more cut and dry
[00:21:13] i want it to be so that the players can know right so it's hey you if you say you know if you are
[00:21:22] cursing at an official that's a teed okay fine will there be more tees originally sure will or
[00:21:30] it's language language never be a teed sure that's fine hey on the room get rid of it we're just
[00:21:39] seeing these rest telling on themselves and everyone who watches the game it's kind of like in the
[00:21:44] NFL when sometimes there's catches where they go i will pick and glee the internet and you're sitting
[00:21:49] there with everyone who's watched football their whole lives and you're all like that was a catch
[00:21:53] that was absolutely a catch like and it just feels disingenuous and stupid when there's things
[00:22:03] that are being called or things that are selectively being enforced when they get enforced gets
[00:22:07] your team and then you have to listen to the refs in the game you will technically that's okay
[00:22:12] but if it's not the rule 100% of time then it's not a rule it's a suggestion it's a guideline
[00:22:18] and these rest have not shown themselves to be worthy of having guidelines they need stricter goal post
[00:22:23] because they have let dream on green go to this wild point and people are acting like
[00:22:31] shocked with this latest flailing incident and i'm like just last play was not standing
[00:22:36] i was on flailing he punched you so far of course but i'm saying but i'm saying he stomped on
[00:22:42] subonus in the playoffs like and what are your fans and cur were defending him cur was saying oh
[00:22:49] he's the one who choked when cur was like well he's defending his teammate was like you said that
[00:22:54] two three weeks ago everyone enabled this and because of his start he made because of his start but
[00:23:00] i'm saying there were officials like in the game you know like they've allowed this behavior
[00:23:04] and allowed it to keep going keep going we watched a playoff game in which he and Gordon both got
[00:23:12] each other's face both shoved each other and they only gave Gordon a tea because they knew it
[00:23:18] throw dream on out of the game. Dream on green is at best in the dynasty the third best player
[00:23:26] on the warriors when they were winning championships that's the level of respect that he had
[00:23:34] yo kitch got tossed for saying mother fucker well his it's only because dream on's
[00:23:42] antics are so wild on such a routine basis that his baseline is so high for his bullshit
[00:23:50] and yo kitch is normally like if they're not pissing him off he is a very quiet player on the floor
[00:23:57] he's not talking to them he's not doing like i feel like he's been trying this year more
[00:24:02] to win he does thought to just raise his hand and be like yes i did it you know like to not have
[00:24:08] that like constant battle with the rest of you like yep good call that was on me you're right i found them
[00:24:14] so i feel like he's been trying to work with me but that's a problem yeah and you can't allow that
[00:24:22] and say that it's playing field and especially that is really just a dream on that was a dream on
[00:24:29] drool like dream on got treated differently than literally everybody in the league because honestly
[00:24:33] like i don't know that lebron could have done the ship some of the shit that dream on did and
[00:24:38] didn't get thrown out like i'm not positive that like like i don't know dude i we've seen
[00:24:45] dream on like get in referees face and be yelling at them like i even if lebron did that i think
[00:24:51] he's getting a tea like i've seen lebron get in there yeah i mean me too but i'm just saying like
[00:24:58] there are there's the list of players that could do what dream on did is maybe one or two yeah it's pretty
[00:25:04] short i think you're right on that but he did on a normal basically elephant in the room and i
[00:25:10] think we can kind of close the conversation here and this is why the NBA needs to take this
[00:25:14] seriously and why do you think they addressed it is all these leagues now gambling they are partnering
[00:25:22] with gambling now and it you cannot have any hint of this ref throughout the best player and
[00:25:31] after this game um on some stuff where it's not being enforced equally whereas five years ago
[00:25:40] we would have said that ref is an idiot that guy's incompetent now i saw in the comments don't
[00:25:49] he would be ashamed this is too obvious right all of that kind of stuff it all calls into
[00:25:56] question the integrity of your game and the integrity of that and so you have to hold these refs
[00:26:04] to a higher standard and i think there has to be more public accountability and i think there
[00:26:09] has to be more things from the league office it doesn't have to be a you know a big press conference
[00:26:18] for mad himself or after every night but it there has to be a thing where it's just like how they
[00:26:25] you know just apologize for that lebron call which they came out and had a PR statement so i want
[00:26:32] to fucking PR statement about them kicking okadda i honestly like the idea official refs all they did
[00:26:37] was put the pool report comment it was ridiculous but i'm saying silver has to come out and the
[00:26:46] league you know whoever has come out and say hey this ref was fine that wasn't acceptable it was
[00:26:52] or you do what the NFL did to their referee in crew where it got leaked after the the chiefs
[00:27:00] packers game that that referee in crew was under increased scrutiny and could face like law skate like
[00:27:06] you just leak it and you say hey man like but these leagues are so used to protecting the refs
[00:27:14] above all and you can't do that anymore with gambling involved you have to have to say just like
[00:27:21] the players hey you could say hey yo kitch got fine 1500 for perfane language official
[00:27:29] this ref got this ref won't ref a game like because he misapplying the rules like that's a pretty
[00:27:37] serious thing like i think there has to be more i'm not saying the missing a game thing is a thing
[00:27:45] but i'm saying there has to be more public accountability where the NBA is acknowledging to its fans
[00:27:51] this is a individual mistake this is not how we are telling him to do it no yeah you can't yeah
[00:27:59] you you have to i'm on the fan of putting their names on their back of their jersey i don't want
[00:28:04] to google it i know more in the ref's names that i want to right now i'll probably that too
[00:28:14] so anyway all of that to say um the nuggets are three in a and they're past three and we're the second
[00:28:22] seed no one is to spot your mom or a missing over half the games we have the most back to backs in the
[00:28:32] uh and yo kitch has been averaging 26 to 12 in 10 in the last 10 games so yeah it's pretty good
[00:28:41] i am interested by the way to see this Peyton Watson he was i think he's an other guy who
[00:28:53] and he's gonna be a crest and fall guy obviously but this has been a pretty good stretch of defense
[00:29:01] obviously last night the three pointer fell and i think it was um HP basketball who's uh
[00:29:09] covers the nuggets and does gambling fraction never he does a great job but he said uh he was like
[00:29:14] the nuggets are almost impossible to beat at home but when Peyton Watson hits three you should just
[00:29:18] pack it in but he's like if Peyton Watson is hitting three's off the bench you are f on a lot of
[00:29:24] let me tell you to that next team is bad with what a capital B and that game was very well
[00:29:31] attended which was shocking because it was i mean it was a blowout and well yo kitch was very
[00:29:38] engaged defensively um but i just wanted it but i we've had many of you guys are playing really
[00:29:44] well i mean straffler had that big game he is two and a row freeze and a row like had five steals so
[00:29:50] and play well in Chicago as well it's gonna be interesting to see how Malone handles this rotation once
[00:29:56] Murray comes back because there are a lot of guys that he's given minutes to that have played well
[00:30:00] like just now that is played well every time he gets on the floor right and wants to play well
[00:30:05] like oh it just looks insanely comfortable with the starters i think anytime and it's funny
[00:30:12] because we've subbed him in the starting lineup for kcp and for Aaron Gordon guys who play very
[00:30:19] different roles on our team and he's done great for both of them but i am interested to see Peyton Watson
[00:30:27] as this um you know as the season goes on whether he can keep up this defense because i think
[00:30:34] his offense is gonna come and go and i think that's totally fine but to play the kind of defense
[00:30:41] he has against some very high level people i mean i think i saw stat that over last 10 people are
[00:30:48] shooting below 30% when defended by Peyton Austin league and that is not throwing them on
[00:30:54] clubs we have thrown them on you know starters on people and well i've been in practice i think
[00:31:00] that's what i was gonna say is that if we know anything about my mic on the lounge he will
[00:31:06] he will play you if you could play defense and i think at this point Peyton has earned the minutes
[00:31:13] or those spot minutes that you might need on a superstar like if you know in that series last
[00:31:20] year when kd and deven book are just absolutely going nuclear like okay Peyton like go try to
[00:31:28] stop kd for five minutes like go run around man like yeah so i think that's that's the role
[00:31:33] that i see for him because i just don't know that you can trust him offensively enough to really
[00:31:39] give you big minutes well and and i think it was i think it was telling that he got in early
[00:31:46] and he got a uh he got a run out dunk i mean that was a pretty dirty dunk if christian
[00:31:52] brawn would not have absolutely ended brown god i've been on roll with it but if you
[00:32:00] wouldn't have ended a man's life that Peyton wants in euro step into a two hand dunk
[00:32:06] would have been the uh lexas drive it again if you will and then and then he backed or in
[00:32:13] kitch got him one and so i do think maybe the offensive limitations can be a little bit
[00:32:18] dissuaded when he's not having to create anything and when he gets into a new one the
[00:32:26] okch i never want to play with i would be fine with getting him in because we're going to have
[00:32:30] to take uh a g out earlier in the playoffs he's gonna play our backup center and so i'd be fine
[00:32:35] with Watson in the dunker spot there he's got a savvy as Gordon and he won't post up as physically
[00:32:40] but i think he into a lot of the lads i think he's gonna get minutes and i think i think
[00:32:49] storthy looking like he might too so i honestly think it's hard like i'm wondering if we are
[00:32:59] a trade our boys eat nags you didn't play last night
[00:33:04] that's all we'll say about that uh it appears that Andre is pretty firmly taken his spot
[00:33:12] and uh for everybody who was in my view of the best shit about the first signing of this season
[00:33:20] being DeAndre Jordan like the crow that they must be eating right now is pretty i mean it must
[00:33:26] be tough to swallow because it's a big growth he is yeah it's a DeAndre Jordan sized crow yeah
[00:33:34] and we talk about a guy on social media who anytime the nags are doing something stupid
[00:33:39] and DeAndre Jordan's involved ad click a nags recycle real questions all right yeah DJ let's see
[00:33:47] what DJ is always first and i'm like yeah get us started he'll pull other guys in he's the best
[00:33:54] yeah love DJ yeah all right trade ziknos yeah we definitely have to and that's not even a
[00:34:00] shot at ziknos you by the way like that's just i think he might have a Jared Vanderbilt where he
[00:34:06] can exactly what i'm gonna say make a splash somewhere else and get himself another contract
[00:34:10] i just think right now there's no way on this contending team we can give him the kind of minutes
[00:34:16] like Vanderbilt had to go to a terrible team where they were like hey we're not trying to win
[00:34:20] you can play a bunch for him to make all the mistakes and he should go mess around we should
[00:34:25] get send him to the pistons we'll take kid cutting him back with that fine uh zik for k-ed straight
[00:34:34] yeah yeah no but yeah i think that you're you're on to something there all right now gets
[00:34:41] great work by them terrible job by the officials add himself or hire us we will fix it i think we should
[00:34:49] we should be officials i would not want that job at all i'm pretty sure the moment you just
[00:34:57] saying that i'm fairly sure your penis just shrunk two inches like it's just like it's just
[00:35:04] the way it goes you you you put on those slacks and that striped jersey and all of a sudden it
[00:35:10] dribbles a bit honestly i think the best way to go would be to get like a college soccer
[00:35:16] refering as a person who paid college soccer referees for portion of my career i can say that
[00:35:21] they make like decent money you get reimbursed for all your expenses you get to fly to these places
[00:35:28] and it's soccer so like you make a couple of big calls like a maybe but like your lines man
[00:35:35] you just gotta stay locked in there really off-sodes yeah this way that way yeah i'm all about it
[00:35:42] i don't think it's uh it's off the list of potential career opportunities for me all right i mean
[00:35:50] world cup when it comes here to america Ryan will be on the sideline i'd have to really get on it
[00:35:57] yeah probably not that all right speaking of things that probably are not going to happen let's talk
[00:36:04] about the broncos uh they super bowl yeah uh the broncos uh defeated eastern stick and uh
[00:36:16] a now fired head coach well they did also defeat Justin Herbert well they defeated him right
[00:36:22] to figure out well it's finger right yeah right doesn't great um so they got to win over the
[00:36:34] podcast i think both of us had uh the broncos there um i think i had a 24 10 so i was like actually
[00:36:41] pretty close on the score okay you didn't know eastern stick was gonna pull oh no no no no no no no
[00:36:47] there was no no stress Johnson Herbert Johnson Herbert was uh torching the broncos defense before
[00:36:54] even though we're getting we're going to get there don't you fret um so now this is a huge week 15 game
[00:37:02] because this so in case you've been living under a rock here in Denver um they are uh tomorrow they play
[00:37:11] at Detroit it's a prime time game Detroit's been on a little bit of a slide the uh broncos
[00:37:19] have been obviously one uh six of their last seven uh i've played weaker opponents but
[00:37:27] if you're the broncos and you win this and you say oh okay maybe CJ Strahd gets ruled out
[00:37:35] or the Steelers and the Colts play each other your chances of making the playoffs increase
[00:37:42] incrementally because the next week you get to play the Patriots and then you get to play the charges
[00:37:48] and then uh you get to play the Raiders and so it's a it's a pretty push schedule if you can
[00:37:57] get this one then i think you're looking a lot better for the playoffs so let's get into it
[00:38:06] lions they are 9 and 4 still but they've lost some questionable games they got smoked on
[00:38:12] Thanksgiving by love and the hackers terrible defenses look really bad and then golf
[00:38:18] had to play outdoors uh a few times in it let me tell you yeah old Jared tiny hands he
[00:38:25] talked about string contuenges oh my gosh he Jared golf whenever i i think of him i just
[00:38:31] think of in scary movie when the one butler has the baby hand and he's putting the mashed potatoes
[00:38:37] that's just what i think Jared golf does that's a lunch line hi i haven't think i'm trying to
[00:38:48] ram yeah i always know uh with Jeff Fisher still yeah they asked him like which direction the
[00:38:58] son or he couldn't figure out which way was Easter West and they were like well which
[00:39:04] what where does the sunrise he was like over there they were like okay well what where's
[00:39:11] he's in West and he thought that the son rose in the West and set in the East and that has really
[00:39:19] stuck with me because it was one of the dumber i cannot believe that they let them keep that
[00:39:25] in hard knocks like yeah it was just watching somebody melt down and they'll die like uh oh
[00:39:31] i don't know what the quiet answer to this question is it i am royally besting this up so
[00:39:39] yeah anyways he's been playing better though yeah before this before this last two games
[00:39:45] slide where he's had to i mean kind of been forced into some shootouts he's add some losses here
[00:39:56] to two opponents that they probably thought they were going to get wins over and the packers in the
[00:40:00] bears obviously the bears have been looked better since fields has been back and we've talked about
[00:40:05] it my important games for their own playoff yeah like they could have wrapped up the division
[00:40:10] like they could have put themselves in a much better position by doing anything but what they did
[00:40:15] yeah yeah yeah yeah so breaking it down here Ryan how do you see this game going do you
[00:40:24] think it's gonna be i mean i guess let's just start general do you think it's gonna be shootout
[00:40:28] do you think shootout? slow scoring what do you what do you see here no i don't think
[00:40:32] either of these defenses is very good uh Warren Sharp i was listening to something that he was on
[00:40:38] today and he was talking about how bad that that lion's defense is at what the broncos do i mean we
[00:40:45] know that the broncos check down all the time and then they'd take big shots so uh and the lions
[00:40:50] are terrible defending both of those things and the broncos defenses has been fine but it's still
[00:40:57] relying on a bunch of those turnover things so i think that this game has the potential
[00:41:02] to be very high scoring um in terms of a side i don't really have like i i think you have
[00:41:12] stronger feelings than me on that i think that it's uh it's one of those games where i could see
[00:41:21] the rustle well so i'm really coming out and either way you know like uh this Seattle rustle
[00:41:30] and sort of we've talked about it i think i brought it up every week for the last five weeks like
[00:41:35] the guy just plays in weird games and i think this is definitely gonna be a weird game and i could see
[00:41:42] him what i'm hoping for broncos fans is that he sort of like shits the bed in this spectacular
[00:41:48] way so that they can just put it to bed and be like okay we can't bring him back like we actually
[00:41:54] had a chance to you know make the playoffs like he and then he had four interceptions against
[00:42:02] the lions terrible defense and uh fumbled the snap three times and then kicked the center in the
[00:42:09] balls after he fumbled the third one so like i'm hoping for something like that for your own
[00:42:17] sake you know put you out of your misery and hopefully get them to for sure move off of us what
[00:42:23] you're uh yeah i uh i think my opinion can be made here uh clear on the fact that uh i have not
[00:42:32] sold my Saturday night uh nuggets ticket uh nor do i plan to uh i think this game will be over by
[00:42:40] the time the uh nuggets tip off uh this is a six fifteen broncos game and i think those first few
[00:42:45] drives you're gonna go oh baby this is a different level uh out here i think the wall the lions
[00:42:53] have not been getting against the run uh they do have really good past roasters and rosa's struggle
[00:42:59] with pressure and i think that um this broncos defense um i think they are incredibly fraudulent um
[00:43:10] if you we know turnovers are not predictive they don't stay the same year to year uh this team
[00:43:18] is been insane with turnovers and if you just look at EPA per play um in which uh they um early
[00:43:30] downs which is much more predictive there's still the 25th best defense like we saw CJ Straud
[00:43:35] especially before tank del went down uh which by the way uh i'm on rosa and brown is better than
[00:43:42] tank del uh and before they went down oh my god it looked like the Texans we're gonna put on a
[00:43:49] clinic on turf also add to that lock is banged up and so we are going to start a rookie safety
[00:43:58] probably or at least he will see snaps is my prediction with locks injury and we uh because
[00:44:06] cream jacks and can't stop dreaming on greening people um so i think you have a banged up secondary
[00:44:13] they also use their tight ends um i love them oh yeah yeah yeah uh like millen yeah
[00:44:22] uh i'm playing we've got too many y'all mix um but i just think i think this this
[00:44:30] Broncos defense still is deeply deeply flawed the uh lion's lion is also a huge strength for them
[00:44:38] and we are not going to get pressure uh i also think it is bad uh that our guy Benito is her as well
[00:44:47] um i think this defense was already fraudulent then you add injuries um i think this is going to be
[00:44:57] and i agree with you that the lion's defense isn't good but it's not like we've been you know
[00:45:06] we saw them against a very bad past defense in the Texans and they looked very normal out there
[00:45:13] it looked like you know every other game that we play where you put together two or three
[00:45:18] drives the room sheem stuff over the brush defense for the lions is bad too though which is a problem
[00:45:24] because we know that champan is going to run the ball and so if they're get gashed by early here like
[00:45:32] and that's the only path to victory for the Broncos is you have to just be picking up five six yards
[00:45:38] playkeeper and it's a low scoring game i do not think that they can do that i don't trust the
[00:45:45] consistency i think there will be too many mistakes on offense um to your point i think you're going
[00:45:50] to get some fall starts some holes i'm pretty snap at them i think these lack of discipline i
[00:45:55] think this is going to be uh put it down for me Dan right now uh mark this in the podcast all right
[00:46:02] as i am the no stradomas of the Broncos uh sometimes a no stradomas um sometimes a no stradomas
[00:46:11] 31 10 lions oh yeah it's going to be uh that there's gonna be a lot of local radio guys coming on with
[00:46:21] the it was the pre-Christmas massacre in Detroit there's gonna be a lot of those radio leads here
[00:46:28] and i think it's going to be one of those where i am still predicting the Broncos to make the playoffs
[00:46:33] but i think it's going to be a lot less excitement around down because people are going to have
[00:46:38] this game and my amy game and all those games in their mind and they're going to be like uh i mean i'm
[00:46:43] glad we're here but i'm not going to have fun watching this in the wild card i don't think so i hope that
[00:46:49] the Broncos make the playoffs too because uh i would love to better get inside than that first oh my god
[00:46:55] they can't make the line hi i don't even care if they're playing yeah it doesn't matter anybody
[00:47:00] will beat them by 10 points yeah that's great um i i'm gonna say 27 24
[00:47:13] lions wow but i think i think they just keep it close like i could see a defensive touchdown
[00:47:20] it's going to be weird as i'll get maybe a special team's touchdown i don't know it's uh i don't
[00:47:25] i don't disagree with you that like i could see it going like that and really the tough part
[00:47:32] about what i'm predicting is that a lot of people won't it will have sort of been the game that you
[00:47:36] described but people won't feel like it because the final score doesn't really look that way so
[00:47:43] i think it's going to continue to be a tricky team uh i think this i think there's no way this
[00:47:50] rat line this is a rat line 4 1 half like you're right on paper the lion should kick the
[00:47:56] unholy hell out of this Broncos team at home they should but in to the fact that it's only 4 1 1
[00:48:04] is i i think there's something to that yeah i guess i just think the reason i picked against the
[00:48:11] chargers is i thought that staley was fundamentally broken and then that chargers team would not play for
[00:48:17] i think damn cambel the guy who's talking about bite and kneecaps i don't think anybody's
[00:48:22] quit on that guy and i think this is now a like like it's almost like what the net's caught where
[00:48:29] it's like hey you're on a back to back we're really pissed and we're just going to beat your ass
[00:48:34] up and down this court field in depending on your case uh because we're better than you you can't
[00:48:41] play with us and that's just what happens so i'm sorry broncos country i want to ride with you
[00:48:49] but i do not think we're going to be doing a lot of riding i think we're going to be getting
[00:48:54] mold by a lion i'm really tempted to pick the broncos just i'm changing it 2724 broncos
[00:49:02] i think they're going to close the season 4 now at broncos countries it's going to be super
[00:49:09] they bite with the division put it in your AFC West bats
[00:49:15] i don't get the keeps on giving if we win the AFC West and we get to bat against the broncos at home
[00:49:23] in the play us because then it'll be nice when the chiefs are something oh that'll be manna from
[00:49:30] haven't maybe the dolphins i will build if the dolphins enough money to build Dana new bunker
[00:49:35] all right we will be recording from a brand new bunker if Dan or if uh if the uh the dolphins play
[00:49:44] the broncos and a playoff games i think we have to go either way if it's in my amni or
[00:49:52] how you not travely all the way to Miami to watch my favorite team get their ass beat
[00:49:58] well what about what i want you can go you don't want to experience my joy with me
[00:50:05] no i experienced your joy with you on the couch uh while we watched your team kicked the
[00:50:12] unholy hell out of it and the stupid writers get to enjoy that obviously the writers could
[00:50:17] even freaking outscore the chargers so that we could forget this thing ever happened this season
[00:50:24] it was really cowardly it was the you know classic coming of age movie scene where the
[00:50:34] the bully is like really kicking the crap out of the kid i've been a bully for many years
[00:50:39] that often's game oh where the bully was kicking the trash out of the dumps overcoming their
[00:50:46] pre-seasoner now they were days with the bully yeah they were bullying you and i finally had to
[00:50:51] stop in and be like hey hey like i sort of agree with what you're doing here but like this is too much
[00:50:57] yeah to go we had to go karate kid we had to go learn how to wax on and wax off
[00:51:03] yeah well i think we're waxing off this week all right so i i think the four and a half is free
[00:51:10] it was it for um how do you feel about my Justin field prediction has it started happening in
[00:51:16] Dunbury uh people started talking about it oh it hasn't yeah hasn't come up yet the winning
[00:51:21] streak is still to real yeah but i let me tell you i love it i'm starting to on mine new thing
[00:51:30] is that i'm one us to trade like a second round peck for him and then you don't you don't actually
[00:51:37] have to i need him to play a little crap here down the stretch he started to be a little bit too good
[00:51:43] i'm really making me mad i think we can count on him to do that um but that that i don't think
[00:51:50] Mike eberflue is going to be uh scheming up great December football here um but the
[00:51:58] i i really want him to come to Denver and then have like a genuine quarterback competition
[00:52:05] because then even if Russ it like how many backups have played in the NFL like why can't we just
[00:52:12] have two quarterbacks who are both probably bad one of them be or mediocre at best one of them be
[00:52:20] very young and have a little bit of potential to grow one of them be extremely old and have zero
[00:52:27] potential to grow and be on the rapid decline and just let him fight it out in training camp then whoever
[00:52:33] wins is the backup or whoever wins is the you know would you keep as a uh as a content creator here
[00:52:40] Denver i agree with you but i think that's a poor stream yeah uh as a uh walk a room you can't cut
[00:52:49] you can't cut Russ like you can but it's just it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense like
[00:52:55] if you're gonna drive some of it or if you're gonna go get somebody like fields like
[00:52:59] maybe even if you're just unwitting the aFC West according to you we don't need to discuss this all right
[00:53:04] we're what what are the odds oh they're very very juicy out of that they get plus 800
[00:53:12] and we're game that and it's yeah all right
[00:53:19] who doesn't she've split this week he choose by the New England Patriots little
[00:53:25] well that's a good right yeah it's a weird line now um i don't want to get any of the
[00:53:32] but i'll just say be careful out there because uh no one in the public is betting on the Patriots
[00:53:39] and then line went from nine and a half to seven and a half so uh somebody knows something
[00:53:45] about old bill in the boys sort of loading the wagons a little bit the curse of Taylor Swift
[00:53:50] may have something uh all right i think that's it for us Ryan do you have anything else to add
[00:53:59] i really hope the dolphins get healthy here yes that it's approaching injury bug that uh it's just
[00:54:06] might be too much for the boys this year but we're still rooting you know and they didn't see
[00:54:12] some hard knocks really cannot recommend it enough they are unbelievably likable on that thing it's really annoying
[00:54:20] that's awesome it's awful uh i'm afraid of being a great dad and i love that scene just terrible
[00:54:31] but uh we will talk to you next week um follow us on Twitter, Blues for Brothers, like and subscribe
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