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[00:00:00] The Blucifer Brothers are back. We're talking conference finals, we're talking nuggets, trade targets.
[00:00:05] We are talking the Celtics, 76ers, which game mattered more? All that more? Damn. Play that funky.
[00:00:20] Alright, we are coming to you Wednesday night here in the Mile High City. Thank you for joining us for another episode of the Blucifer Brothers.
[00:00:28] I'll pull in here with my brother, Ryan Poland as always. We are here local sports talk. We are going to start off local Ryan. Let's get right into it. The nuggets.
[00:00:41] Okay, they are on a roll after taking a bad defeat to the 76ers in which they were up heading into the fourth quarter.
[00:00:54] Just peed down their leg and couldn't get good shots down the stretch. And then responded by breaking the 20 and O Celtics home streak
[00:01:07] and have since beat the Wizards and the Pacers on the road here. So all in all, a very good road trip thus far.
[00:01:19] I think we all would have taken four and one five games into this thing, the stretch that they have.
[00:01:26] But Ryan, I wanted to start with let's just get the negative out of the way.
[00:01:33] Filly coming in. It looked like it was kind of a classic game where like imbede was scoring dominant but our team's offense flowed so well
[00:01:47] that it just didn't matter and it looked like we were just going to win in the third quarter. And then yogic came out there,
[00:01:55] the reserves got them the lead and then imbede hit some shots and they ran away and we didn't hit.
[00:02:01] Did you take any big picture things away from it? Is this version of the 76ers a scarier NBA finals opponent?
[00:02:11] No, absolutely not. I think they're really scary in a post trade deadline world because I don't think they're done.
[00:02:21] But this team over seven games like I just don't think they have enough scoring to really match with what the nuggets have and I think the offense they have really good.
[00:02:31] I mean maxi is on a whole new level. He's been awesome.
[00:02:35] And but I think it's they just have too many holes so I'm not scared of them in a final series.
[00:02:41] This game is sort of predictable to me like it's joel is always going to get up for this game on his home floor.
[00:02:49] He's just always going to care more than the the nuggets do about that and obviously we want to beat the sixers there big rival,
[00:02:59] whatever they're one of the best teams in the NBA. But I think
[00:03:03] and beat is good enough to win a game by himself once in a while and that's essentially what he did.
[00:03:09] So I'm not by the way, nuggets fans you sound uncool when you're like,
[00:03:16] ah it's so lame that it be cares about this game. No, it's cool. Yeah, it's cool that it be cares about it.
[00:03:22] It's cool that it be came into that game and was like I'm going to kick your ass.
[00:03:25] And it was a high level game. It was a high level game and that that Celtics game was awesome.
[00:03:31] I mean, I know we can sort of transition into that. But that was like some of the best basketball.
[00:03:35] I think we've watched all year like those two teams cared. They they were on it.
[00:03:40] It felt like a little bit of a playoff game atmosphere. I know it's sort of I kind of hate saying that because there really is nothing like the playoffs.
[00:03:48] Like you know, we've been lucky enough at this point to go to finals games and that that is like a different planet.
[00:03:55] But it's it's interesting. I think this team is starting to really look dangerous.
[00:04:06] They're looking more and more like the team from last year.
[00:04:10] I was going to say that this is about the time too that that team was really rounding into form.
[00:04:17] I think Yokech is starting to ramp up.
[00:04:22] I also thought it was interesting speaking of meaning in games the Murray post game statements where he's like after the Celtics game
[00:04:31] He's like, you know, it's hard to like stay up for everything.
[00:04:35] Sometimes you got to give yourself a little challenges. He's like and we wanted to be the ones to break the streak in this Boston game.
[00:04:41] And you saw like just Yokech and Murray came out and it was like a reminder for all the fans who were panicking or you know media whoever.
[00:04:51] Where it's like, hey, when Jamal and Yokech come out and want to go kick someone's ass.
[00:04:57] It's still pretty hard to deal with them. And that was on the road.
[00:05:01] Like think about that at home and the wolves dropped a few games.
[00:05:05] They're game back from the one seed.
[00:05:07] Half game.
[00:05:09] Half game. It's it's dicey.
[00:05:11] I told you, I told the podcast two weeks ago to start looking at the division arts and we were plus 220.
[00:05:18] When I said that and I don't know what we are right now but it's I mean,
[00:05:23] I think at this point, the biggest thing to me that's come together obviously like Yokech and Murray carrying a little bit more is always going to just be
[00:05:32] beneficial for the team playing well like that's not a shock to anybody.
[00:05:37] But I do think that the thing that stands out the most to me is that the
[00:05:46] the others are starting to really look like they did in that run and I think that's what's really stood out like Mike had what six three is one of these games like he's been shooting well.
[00:05:59] KCP has been slumping a little bit and then he had an awesome second half versus the Pacers.
[00:06:04] So like I think those those guys are starting to gain confidence in everybody's sort of looking like a version of themselves that they were last year.
[00:06:13] And that was a title and it didn't just win us a title like we kicked everybody's ass on the way to that title.
[00:06:19] So I think and when you look around the league like especially when you're talking about those title threats,
[00:06:25] what you were just talking about in terms of like I'm much more scared of Boston than I am of the 76ers and I don't think it's that close.
[00:06:35] And I think Boston is the best team in the East by a lot.
[00:06:39] I still honestly though, I feel confident against that men in the seven games series.
[00:06:45] So I think I'm feeling much better than I did 20 days ago, which is why I tried to tell myself not to panic until the also game.
[00:06:57] We're not even there yet.
[00:06:59] Yeah, no, I also do think it's to your point.
[00:07:03] I think it's instructive to think about how Yokech talked about coming into this season.
[00:07:08] He talked about like ramping up.
[00:07:10] Like he's like, Hey, we played a long season.
[00:07:13] He's like, I'm not going to come in at the intensity level of the NBA finals.
[00:07:18] He's like that's unrealistic to sustain.
[00:07:20] Like we need to like his fitness trainer, you know, Felipe talked about like, Hey, we're ramping him up to go on a deep run.
[00:07:31] It's like and I think you've seen that in that there were some games where Yokech wasn't out of shape by any stretch imagination,
[00:07:38] but you could tell there were sometimes he was getting worn down obviously Murray being out for 13 games didn't help either.
[00:07:44] But now it's like back to that thing where you're just like, Oh, yep, he's not tired.
[00:07:50] Like hand down man down miles turner.
[00:07:52] You know, like it's wild.
[00:07:57] It's getting into those scary hours where he is literally reading the game so well.
[00:08:02] And that's what I think that the real disengagement happens with Yokech is that
[00:08:06] he's just he thinks the game so well that when he's taken out of that environment like
[00:08:14] like he doesn't have to necessarily flex all that muscle.
[00:08:18] He like sort of takes multiple parts of the game off when he turns his brain off.
[00:08:23] Like he just sort of does things that he wouldn't normally do.
[00:08:26] And when he is rocking and rolling like he is right now, I mean he's pointing out defensive reads like
[00:08:33] he's he's floor generaling the entire game and it's unstoppable.
[00:08:40] Like it's when you have that much skill and that much smarts packed into one person surrounded by the talent that he is like
[00:08:47] the whole week should be watching these games and being like a shit.
[00:08:52] Like that doesn't look good.
[00:08:56] But no, he's he's a he's problem and you could see it in the Celtics players post game comment.
[00:09:03] Like they were just like yeah, I mean that guy was unreal.
[00:09:07] And I also thought that was an underrated part that Yokech talked about on Porter's podcast where he said
[00:09:16] he's like you know, he's like I know I'm not the best defender.
[00:09:20] He's like but I do think it advantages.
[00:09:21] He's like I know everyone's plays.
[00:09:24] He's like I know what they're going to do.
[00:09:25] He's like so I can cheat and like you know be like well you're coming here eventually.
[00:09:30] So I'm just going to be here and I don't have to be as fast as you because I know you're going to come here eventually.
[00:09:36] Right.
[00:09:37] So I do think that's great.
[00:09:39] I wanted to get into now.
[00:09:42] I think we all feel great about this starting five
[00:09:51] and we are trying to find whether or not I think it comes down to for me at least a Reggie Jackson question.
[00:10:05] Do you believe Reggie Jackson can be the backup point guard on an NBA finals slash NBA championship team because he is
[00:10:16] he's undersized in some matchups rotation wise sometimes he's been poor.
[00:10:23] I think I would say kindly especially when we have like Watson and Brown
[00:10:30] and you know all these defenders out there it really stands out with the we have all these athletes flying around
[00:10:39] and he's not.
[00:10:40] I also I wanted to touch on this I know you tease that I think it was last week where you you were talking about your you know you have some takes on Christian Brown.
[00:10:54] I've been thinking about him obviously he only played five minutes in the Celtics game that was an indictment he didn't score against the Pacers and look kind of scared.
[00:11:09] Peyton Watson looks just more aggressive than him more comfortable more willing to like put them on the floor to score the ball.
[00:11:20] Christian has it looks comfortable and I started thinking about it and a lot of where Christian was getting comfortable to where then he would try things in the half court last season was out in transition
[00:11:36] and we don't run as much with Reggie Ian with the Andre in there super slow because you know we were slow past him Reggie wants to get into his stuff he's been doing great with it.
[00:11:49] So if Reggie is good enough that it feels like Christian is more expendable going to be big liability offensively because
[00:12:03] more and more lately you are seeing teams are not guarding him and I was surprised when I looked it up he's he only shot 35% from three last year she 36% this year so it's not like he's markedly down but it does feel like teams are just like yeah shoot like whatever we're not going to guard you and
[00:12:27] the
[00:12:29] So I guess my question is trade deadlines coming up in three weeks
[00:12:35] Reggie Jackson Christian Peyton that's probably your three right now I would say because you go eight in the playoffs
[00:12:46] We'll see if straw what straw there looks like when he comes back because that's the other thing is Christian still getting these minutes because straw there's not there yeah I don't
[00:12:58] And has been playing he's another long guy. I can play good and he's a better shooter. I think I can't believe there was only one question in there there's got to be more than one
[00:13:10] That I'm just
[00:13:14] I think I
[00:13:16] Well to answer your your
[00:13:20] Your Reggie Jackson question. I think my trust level in him is
[00:13:27] Borderline, I would say and
[00:13:31] To me like what I was thinking about when I sort of proposed the CB potentially moving off of him
[00:13:37] Is exactly what you're sort of getting at with like what's your point is there like there may not be enough minutes like
[00:13:45] He's pretty good and he might just be good enough to like gone or something real
[00:13:51] And he's on a good deal. He's obviously still on that rookie deal
[00:13:54] Like he can help somebody and and it's one of those things where
[00:13:59] As long as you're getting some value back for him like I think you have to think about it
[00:14:04] And it's really to me. It's how much do you trust Strother because if you think Strother's great which I am more hesitant on
[00:14:13] Then I think you can do that and feel like okay even if
[00:14:18] Reggie isn't perfect and he screws us in the playoffs like
[00:14:22] Giving Strother these minutes is going to help him long term and he's gonna be able to step into that role
[00:14:30] Excuse me, but I think
[00:14:33] The other thing I would bring up here is that like this progress in the NBA over and over again has proven to just not be linear
[00:14:41] like
[00:14:42] Christian had that
[00:14:44] calf injury early in the year like
[00:14:48] He missed some games, you know he's out of rhythm. He might still be dealing with it
[00:14:53] We did we just there's a lot of things that we aren't privy to here that when we're talking about somebody getting traded like
[00:14:59] I'm working on the information that I know
[00:15:02] so
[00:15:04] Could be flawed
[00:15:05] But what I would say is that the reason I brought it up and the thing that I'm most interested in is to me
[00:15:11] He's the most interesting team to an or asset we have to another team
[00:15:16] Because he's proven to be versatile and he's proven he's not scared of shit
[00:15:19] Like that guy was awesome in the finals, which is why it's sort of probably a silly exercise that we're doing because
[00:15:26] He was pretty good and played a lot of key minutes in that team
[00:15:30] Yeah, all right, so let me let me throw
[00:15:37] I'm gonna throw a few at you. Let me throw the first one out there. These are we're starting off simple, right?
[00:15:43] I just said okay
[00:15:46] Christian it's not working
[00:15:49] We need somebody we're gonna trust more in the playoffs that I think can help us more in the playoffs
[00:15:56] Ryan do you know last season?
[00:16:00] Who was a top three point guard defensively?
[00:16:06] Wall playing for the Charlotte Hornets
[00:16:10] He doesn't play for them anymore to be clear to give you a hint. I have no idea
[00:16:16] A former lottery pick Dennis Smith Jr
[00:16:21] He is in Brooklyn he makes two million
[00:16:24] You can do the deal right now you send him Christian you can get him or a Lonnie Walker
[00:16:30] Both you need more you need more than that
[00:16:34] You think so yeah, okay?
[00:16:36] Okay now Ryan we're swapping that's a like for like trade. I kind of hate that actually because Christian Brown
[00:16:45] My thought is that the
[00:16:48] Dennis Smith has shown an ability to know how to get downhill and get his own shot though
[00:16:53] You're getting another creator in a way now you're giving up size there which I agree with you in the end
[00:17:00] I think I don't like it because
[00:17:02] in the end like
[00:17:04] Maybe you want Dennis for a bill
[00:17:09] To chase a bill around or to mess with a booker, but we saw bookers pretty big
[00:17:13] Yeah, like you can't put small guards on them like Bruce Brown was too small
[00:17:18] For him so it's I kind of don't want to get anyone six two or below
[00:17:23] Because most of the time you know you're dealing with Anthony Edwards I
[00:17:28] DCP's small for Anthony Edward. I'd rather trade Reggie Jackson if we're gonna get smaller
[00:17:32] I'd rather trade Reggie Jackson for another six to guard and just like
[00:17:38] Go that direction. Yeah
[00:17:41] All right can I interest you in we are trading
[00:17:49] Our boy
[00:17:51] Reggie who we are trading Christian okay, we are trading hunter Tyson and a first round pick for Alex Caruso all of that
[00:18:03] Just saying is that I mean who in your Chicago who are you excited about?
[00:18:10] I mean
[00:18:12] No, like there's no one like Reggie doesn't really match up with their timeline right like
[00:18:19] Yeah, he's fine there, but like they're not excited Christian
[00:18:24] You're not selling the Chicago fan base on like we're building around
[00:18:29] So to me
[00:18:31] Accumulation of assets in the first round pick which you're saying is gonna be in the 30s this draft upcoming isn't that good?
[00:18:38] We don't want
[00:18:40] If it's if it's this year's pick
[00:18:42] I'm a little more interested in it because
[00:18:44] Biola counts this draft does really suck, but I do also sort of trust Calvin both booth to work as magic and a draft that supposedly sucks to find
[00:18:52] As somebody who's really good so
[00:18:54] To me that's too much for now, Alex Caruso especially because like we're asking him to come off the bench
[00:19:01] I'm assuming in this situation like that's kind of hard
[00:19:05] Chicago yeah
[00:19:07] but
[00:19:09] To me like and this is true blasphemy and I'm sorry about to say this but like what if we just went KCP for Alex
[00:19:17] Caruso
[00:19:18] Throw in whatever else they want like no
[00:19:23] KCP is better than Alex Caruso
[00:19:26] KCP make too much money
[00:19:29] To me
[00:19:32] Well, I like that. I mean
[00:19:36] That's truly going all in like you better you better like some of those rookies because they are gonna play
[00:19:44] so
[00:19:46] Yeah
[00:19:47] If we could do it without the pick I'm really interested the old three for once or get another get another team involved there and
[00:19:55] Have them send a pick like their creative ways to do that to get that deal done. I think
[00:20:01] yeah
[00:20:04] The
[00:20:06] Here is my my last one that I could find and it's a dark time one right
[00:20:12] And I hesitate to even bring it up but
[00:20:18] It has to be said because he's on the block for obvious reasons they're going nowhere
[00:20:25] But you can do Ziknaji and Christian for miles bridges. Oh
[00:20:30] The salaries match up perfect and you get a free Catholic the karma from it is obviously awful
[00:20:38] And I don't want to cheer for miles bridges
[00:20:40] I just felt like I was doing the podcast listeners disservice if I didn't mention that the salaries match up
[00:20:46] Miles bridges is on the basketball floor
[00:20:50] 12 million times better than both of those players, but he's obviously a
[00:20:55] horrendous human being
[00:20:57] And I don't want them on the nuggets, but that it has was throwing around an NBA podcast
[00:21:04] That I that I was listening to where they were trying to start exploring the
[00:21:10] NBA trade deadline and miles bridges name is obviously gonna get brought up. He's a super
[00:21:17] Plug-and-play kind of player
[00:21:19] But the off-the-court stuff is obviously horrendous and I would not want to cheer for
[00:21:25] Him in any way shape or form
[00:21:27] No, he can but he can go kick rocks and then step on a Lego as far as I'm concerned
[00:21:32] But I do get that that is an enticing thing if you're only looking at the basketball side of things
[00:21:41] And the real reason I think that the nuggets would never do something like that is that the locker room is so good
[00:21:49] Like great. It's the chemistry is so good that you and that's
[00:21:55] I guess if that's the last trade you've got I think the the real like thing that I think nuggets fans
[00:22:01] We've been doing this for a while, you know
[00:22:03] If you hop if you were a sort of a borderline fan and you hopped on the bandwagon full force like when they won the championship
[00:22:11] I don't blame you. First of all second of all like
[00:22:14] The nuggets never do anything interesting at the trade deadlines like this has never happened
[00:22:19] we're always in rumors like
[00:22:22] We're always supposedly doing something last year. They didn't do anything basically like you know
[00:22:28] I think it's just
[00:22:29] At we're more of a buyout team to me than we are a trade team
[00:22:34] So I think that's really that once the dust settles from this deadline
[00:22:38] I'm gonna be looking at who's gonna get bought out because those are the those are the guys that I want to be looking at
[00:22:46] Yeah, the
[00:22:48] um
[00:22:50] The the thing to remember if you are a nuggets fan is it is insanely hard for the nuggets to trade because they are in the first apron
[00:23:01] So they can only take back 110%
[00:23:04] As far as our draft pick that trade to the bulls would have to be like a
[00:23:10] unofficial first round pick we can't officially trade our first round pick and tell draft day
[00:23:16] So it it's a kind of a we're
[00:23:21] A beautifully constructed team in so far as we pay all of our players who are really good. We pay them. We kept them
[00:23:29] And then everyone else is making crap
[00:23:32] So it's hard to build up to even a guy like
[00:23:38] The time lord dude's been rumored to be open he makes 11 million dollars
[00:23:42] You have to trade like four of our players to get
[00:23:46] And you're like well, I know I give them that much off of three knee surgeries
[00:23:50] It's really it's it's an interesting thing
[00:23:54] It's an interesting thing you bring up to with the new CBA rules as well
[00:23:58] Like you're probably never gonna be that we might be the last team to win a championship
[00:24:03] But three full max guys on their roster like
[00:24:08] That they drafted and then paid like that's never gonna happen again because you're not gonna be able to max that guy out
[00:24:15] Like the rules are gonna make it so that you have to get rid of that person which is yeah
[00:24:20] I think they the league should figure that out because you shouldn't be punished for drafting well
[00:24:24] Which is what that rule does so
[00:24:27] Whatever it does if that if that
[00:24:30] Concheck counts a percentage less than it should
[00:24:34] Because you drafted him or however they work it out. It should it should just get worked out
[00:24:41] Do you have any interest? I have one more for you. Yeah sure
[00:24:44] Red gaxing and Christian for Gary Payton the second. Oh
[00:24:50] How tall is Gary Payton the second
[00:24:53] Six two but he's bouncy he is bouncy
[00:24:58] I'm
[00:24:59] No, I don't know I'm not and I think
[00:25:06] Like Reggie knows how to run the second unit you know what I mean like
[00:25:10] I mean obviously you know Jamal's running the second unit then at that point
[00:25:14] And you're just putting another
[00:25:16] Here's the thing and that's way don't
[00:25:18] Here's the thing and I think here is like maybe the most
[00:25:23] The silly way I can put it is that I
[00:25:28] really trust Christian Brown to
[00:25:32] Even if he did not play for the rest of this season and
[00:25:36] If Reggie was just having a stormer of a game and just truly being fucking terrible
[00:25:44] I trust Christian Brown to go in there and
[00:25:48] Not be scared of that moment like I think Christian Brown can go into any game on any floor on any day and
[00:25:55] Be like yeah, I can hang and he's not going to back down so I think there are actually a very few
[00:26:04] NBA players that you could say that about like star or not
[00:26:07] I think there are some stars that would get overwhelmed by that moment and Christian is not gonna get overwhelmed by that moment
[00:26:13] So for that I think that you kind of have to keep him
[00:26:17] And I hope we
[00:26:20] You know, they're gonna have to figure something out with this back court in the offseason because it's gonna be
[00:26:26] It's getting crowded back there so
[00:26:30] Yeah, I
[00:26:32] Think I think that's good place to leave it there. We've got we got the nicks coming up and then
[00:26:38] We we get to come back home and welcome in bead maybe
[00:26:42] We'll see if he plays his first game in Denver since we were at the game where yogic
[00:26:48] sent him sent him
[00:26:50] Down to the nether realm from 15 feet
[00:26:54] And that'll be an exciting rematch to see
[00:26:59] because I mean, I think Patrick Beverly on his podcast and post-game saying I've been locking Jamal up for forever
[00:27:07] like I think that is not a wise thing to say to you
[00:27:12] I think we saw Landry's shamot of pissed tomorrow Maria off in the playoffs
[00:27:16] And we saw how that ended up working out for a laundry
[00:27:21] So I don't I do think the nuggets might get up for that game at home, which will be cool
[00:27:26] It'll be a fun environment. We're gonna be there. So say come say hi to us
[00:27:30] 372
[00:27:32] So and by the way if you're a nuggets fan screaming out. It's one about Zignaji
[00:27:37] He has a poison pill because he just signed an extension
[00:27:40] so
[00:27:41] he it's actually
[00:27:42] Like 20 million times harder to deal him this year than it will be next year
[00:27:47] So which is why that extension was so weird
[00:27:51] It does appear that Mike Malone has lost complete and utter faith in Zignaji
[00:27:58] There are worse misses to have
[00:28:00] Than a guy that we will certainly be able to trade next year and we'll be making five million
[00:28:06] Like it's not uh, it's not a terrible you know thing
[00:28:11] To to be it is if you never place
[00:28:16] Well, it depends on what you get back for right? Yeah
[00:28:18] If you never plays I just don't think the return is gonna be great
[00:28:22] It doesn't doesn't seem like he's got a lot of opportunities to shine but
[00:28:27] You know, he'll probably have a garbage time game here there with where he'll look
[00:28:30] Very bouncy out there hopefully I'll be a fear someone who should be
[00:28:35] A i see what you did there and I liked it um
[00:28:40] But uh we want we didn't want to get into the NFL um
[00:28:44] I unfortunately have bound to Ryan now. What's going
[00:28:49] To not trust the bills um
[00:28:52] I think it was a weird game in terms of we were both right like
[00:28:57] The bills could not stop for anything we were in the third quarter
[00:29:01] And it was like the chiefs were going nine yards of play
[00:29:05] But somehow we're losing
[00:29:07] Yeah, I was like I don't know why should next Ryan and talk crap right now or if I should be terrified
[00:29:12] Like and listen that game should have gone over time uh
[00:29:17] I
[00:29:18] You know miss the kick i
[00:29:21] I liked what the bills did there um, I think they exposed a lot of the chiefs defensive flaws
[00:29:27] And I think the fact that the bills were the walking wounded on defense was a little bit too much to
[00:29:32] To overcome in the end it was a super fun game to watch
[00:29:34] It was good, but I was super pissed
[00:29:37] When it did and Dan and I exchange
[00:29:41] Mad uh not Dan
[00:29:44] To be clear was not mad that I had lost the contest
[00:29:47] He just hates the chiefs because he's a bronchus fan
[00:29:49] Uh
[00:29:51] As a my um, but let's get into these conference championships Ryan. I have to catch up to you here
[00:29:57] Some interesting lines
[00:29:59] So let's let's just start with the chief first um they are
[00:30:04] plus three and a half
[00:30:06] And
[00:30:07] Traditionally if you are getting my homes as an underdog you just slam it and you print money
[00:30:12] Um and it's so so good um
[00:30:16] however
[00:30:19] Three chiefs defenders went down in that bills game uh the bills
[00:30:25] Like I said, we're literally running out of play or some defense
[00:30:31] To put out there Vaughn was a shell of himself
[00:30:35] Out there he was bad
[00:30:38] They didn't get pressure on my homes and let me tell you that Ravens thing is gonna be different
[00:30:44] They're bringing in Ray Lewis they're honoring Sugs
[00:30:47] They're gonna have uh stay there resting Ray Lewis finally
[00:30:52] No, no no no no he said that
[00:30:55] You said you were bringing it in
[00:30:57] No, he didn't bring it into the state
[00:31:02] Uh oh they're on the radio
[00:31:05] Oh yeah, yeah, oh good uh is he bringing that white suit
[00:31:10] The gods will not save you um so
[00:31:16] I
[00:31:18] Talked me out of it Ryan like I literally I want to hear the other case because I want to put
[00:31:25] An unreasonable amount of money on
[00:31:29] The
[00:31:30] Ravens in this game. I don't see any way they don't just run the ball down their throat
[00:31:36] and absolutely murder them
[00:31:39] On with their defensive talent. They're getting Humphrey back Marlon Humphrey's coming back
[00:31:44] they have
[00:31:46] I mean
[00:31:47] Kyle Hamilton's a freak back there. This isn't ultimately
[00:31:51] You know all that it's why you'll tell if they have out there this is a
[00:31:56] Like well
[00:31:58] That yeah, what they'll see about that the
[00:32:02] um
[00:32:04] Even if he's just out there to like run a red zone route here now
[00:32:07] What I was gonna say is this is a this is an alternate spread play to me
[00:32:12] I can no no 10 and a half
[00:32:16] I don't I don't understand how this line is 3 and a half
[00:32:19] I think this is it's almost fishy
[00:32:22] It like makes me more nervous that it's 3 and a half
[00:32:25] I I would be hammering the Ravens right now
[00:32:30] But the fact that it's still sitting there is like
[00:32:34] It's it just feels trappy
[00:32:38] like
[00:32:39] The fact that that tease
[00:32:41] I'm not a three per second and then it went right back up to 3 and a half so it's been pretty consistent
[00:32:47] but so
[00:32:48] Talk to me about that six point T's how many people are going to tease these two games
[00:32:53] Who's more likely to screw that tease up
[00:32:57] Uh well the six point T's up. I kind of think that the Ravens might
[00:33:04] she asked
[00:33:06] WAP them that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying
[00:33:09] So that's what I want a bet on I wanted that on the team who's gonna screw up the most T's is because that is going to happen
[00:33:15] Like people are gonna lose money on T's
[00:33:18] Your thing people are gonna take the cheese up to 9.5
[00:33:21] Yeah, um yeah, I like the Ravens here
[00:33:26] I just can't find I understand my homes as terrifying I understand
[00:33:31] um
[00:33:32] You know there's the uh the referee
[00:33:35] Who's been aside to this game has a benefited road teams like no other
[00:33:41] tire leak so clearly the NFL is trying to keep trying to keep patty alive but
[00:33:48] I do think there is a huge talent discrepancy here
[00:33:52] um and it is
[00:33:55] Not gonna be good. Yeah, I mean Rob work that just to there just to clarify like I'm talking about
[00:34:01] Using the six point T's to bring the chiefs up to 9.5 and
[00:34:06] The four nineers are just sitting there at seven so you could bring them down to one
[00:34:12] And
[00:34:13] Like I think a lot of people are gonna do that and I don't think the four nineers are gonna lose the game to the Lions
[00:34:19] So
[00:34:21] Like the Vegas wasn't built on nothing, you know, so I
[00:34:26] I don't think the and you're not gonna see four because they don't want to give people the 10
[00:34:31] So that they're in they're they're really invested to
[00:34:35] Stay at three and a half which I get which also makes me it's just it's a weird line
[00:34:40] It makes me a little nervous, but I agree with you fundamentally like I think this is a potential smash spot for the Ravens
[00:34:47] I don't
[00:34:48] the the
[00:34:50] The chiefs
[00:34:52] Offense has looked a little bit better right like they haven't been as
[00:34:57] uh
[00:34:57] Enept as they were at the sort of end of the year when we were talking about their wide receiver depth like you know
[00:35:03] Weeks 12 through whatever 16
[00:35:07] Like they look they look a little bit better. They look a little bit more explosive. Kelsey's looked better
[00:35:11] Obviously the last two weeks that's all great. The Ravens look fucking awesome
[00:35:17] so
[00:35:18] If you want to get into like a schtissing match like I don't think you do actually
[00:35:23] So and to your point the Ravens defense is way better and way healthier
[00:35:28] so
[00:35:29] They were better when they were hurt like I honestly think the Ravens defense better was better
[00:35:33] Before they got all those people back. So I think it's it has the potential to get crooked
[00:35:41] uh and
[00:35:43] That's never happened to the chiefs right which it is another reason to just get a little nervous because
[00:35:49] Patrick mojams is on the other side of the field and that's terrifying
[00:35:52] But I'm way more scared of the bar. I'm way more scared of the bar
[00:35:58] I think I think this is a uh
[00:36:01] I really do like and if you're looking for alternate things uh if you're like hey
[00:36:06] You know what? I'm too scared to Patrick mojams Kyle I listened to you last week. I've been hurt
[00:36:11] You know what just take Gus Edwards anytime touchdown plus 140
[00:36:15] They gave up over five years rushing
[00:36:18] Lamar is the best odds to score touchdown
[00:36:20] So I just like the guy said words odds a little bit better. I think plus 140's lovely value
[00:36:25] Just they're off from free money there pick it up take it
[00:36:30] Um and so how many touch you think they're gonna be in this game now
[00:36:35] Because I think you're right
[00:36:37] Because it is a
[00:36:39] The total here is 44.5
[00:36:42] And I don't think the chiefs are gonna score much
[00:36:44] And so I think this could absolutely be a one where you go
[00:36:48] Oh my god, I didn't score in the first half are the Ravens just gonna be sitting on this thing and you know
[00:36:53] It's 31 seven and they're just like hey, let's get out of here healthy and or they or they're just aren't that many
[00:36:58] Possessions because I think the Ravens are gonna be able to run the ball whenever they want and so
[00:37:03] Those drives take a while and
[00:37:05] So I think you could be having some like eight nine minute drives by the Ravens and then all of a sudden
[00:37:11] They've scored three touchdowns. It's 21 to seven
[00:37:14] But it feels like it's 45 to three because the the chiefs are never gonna touch the ball
[00:37:21] um
[00:37:22] It's yeah
[00:37:24] It's an interesting I'm excited for the game. I think it's it's gonna be fun
[00:37:30] To watch these two offenses
[00:37:33] The Ravens absolutely kick the hell out of the chiefs. I hate them so much
[00:37:37] I can't believe they hurt me so much in this contest. I was really hoping I was gonna get you to stay on the chiefs
[00:37:42] Hype trade, but you're getting off you say in the market's high also
[00:37:46] I think it's a good point that you're talking about like hey, they've looked better
[00:37:50] But think about who they've looked better against they look better against the dolphins without chub
[00:37:54] Without fillups the dolphins will way more hurt than the chiefs are this week if it like
[00:38:00] Right and then and the bills then we're just losing all of their players right like so
[00:38:06] They've looked good against two teams that their defenses
[00:38:10] Were very very and they should have lost to the bills
[00:38:16] Well
[00:38:18] That humble out the back of the end zone rule is so stupid
[00:38:21] That if that doesn't happen the chiefs caught 10 and that game is yeah totally
[00:38:25] But you're also at home and you have Josh Allen like you should win that game
[00:38:29] uh, yeah, but
[00:38:31] those fans dude
[00:38:34] That was that was one of the most brutal things I think I've ever seen
[00:38:38] I mean that guy guy just like straight up sobbing
[00:38:42] And you caught the you caught the beginning of it and they cut away and then they cut back to him
[00:38:48] I'm like, what do we do with like this grown man is like having a
[00:38:53] Conipcion on the sideline like don't put this on TV like I realize it's sad but
[00:39:00] I mean we've had some heartbreaking losses in dead room but nothing like that
[00:39:05] And we've got a lot of trophies that
[00:39:08] Really make those losses the ball of the trophies that you can use on those losses really helps
[00:39:15] So yeah, for sure
[00:39:18] All right, let's go to the NFC then
[00:39:20] We've got the Detroit Lions at the 49ers here
[00:39:25] Um the Lions were able to escape
[00:39:28] The Baker Mayfield lead bucks when he threw them the ball
[00:39:32] Uh, I have man. I knew we had lions
[00:39:36] But I was rooting for Baker to come make a game of that. He's fun to watch
[00:39:40] um
[00:39:41] Future broncos quarterback
[00:39:43] Yeah, the uh 40 to hideers were
[00:39:47] Uh, oh I would
[00:39:48] Ryan
[00:39:50] I get you I do I get you
[00:39:52] It took you a second to get excited there but
[00:39:57] I think I could get on the Baker train maybe that how many went to owe you? I could really get back to the roots
[00:40:04] I drive the train right
[00:40:06] um
[00:40:08] The
[00:40:10] um
[00:40:11] True true
[00:40:13] Yeah, the 49ers here
[00:40:16] They didn't look as impressive as obviously I thought they were you you went with me on it you weren't as enthusiastic
[00:40:24] Uh on the about it as I was um but
[00:40:28] They probably could have lost it should have lost
[00:40:33] in a lot of ways um
[00:40:35] And but they were begging to lose that game
[00:40:39] They were trying and party looked very bad in the rain
[00:40:42] Uh, fortunately the weather's gonna be great
[00:40:46] um
[00:40:47] And he gets to play the Detroit Lions defense
[00:40:51] uh
[00:40:52] It's a good thing that party never plays this so more that rains
[00:40:56] That's really good. Yeah
[00:40:58] It is good for that
[00:41:00] um
[00:41:03] This is a minus seven
[00:41:05] uh
[00:41:07] Some insight I've been listening to some like professional gambling podcasts
[00:41:11] They've talked about how they think this number is
[00:41:15] uh
[00:41:16] Hung a little bit high because now the number one liability for Vegas is 49ers futures
[00:41:24] And so they're fine to take a little lion's money here
[00:41:28] So that
[00:41:30] Offset will be okay even if the lion they lose a little here if the lions could knock out the 49ers Vegas would be thrilled
[00:41:38] um
[00:41:40] All that being said I think this is
[00:41:42] I think the 49ers are
[00:41:45] The play here um, I think that this game is gonna be a shootout. I think it's gonna be fun
[00:41:51] Uh, but I just think they have more weapons uh, I think that
[00:41:57] They
[00:41:59] This lion's team is
[00:42:02] overachieving and
[00:42:05] I think we saw
[00:42:08] In
[00:42:09] Multiple games now against flawed defenses
[00:42:12] That are not as good as the 49ers golf
[00:42:15] hasn't
[00:42:17] Like put up insane
[00:42:19] Numbers and the 49ers are just better
[00:42:22] And when this lion's team went up against this Ravens defense
[00:42:27] They got swallowed up and they couldn't move the ball at all
[00:42:30] So I do think there is some of the hey, they've been beaten up on bad defenses um
[00:42:36] and I
[00:42:39] Do think that
[00:42:42] I like the 49ers here. I feel more comfortable
[00:42:47] um
[00:42:48] With the uh, you could just take the Ravens money line and the 49ers money line and just have it at minus 104
[00:42:56] Oh, I think that's a bad bet um
[00:42:58] If you can tease them down. I don't think that's bad bet um
[00:43:03] Just take Christian McAfry touchdowns
[00:43:06] Um, I think this is a prop game for me because I don't like hanging the number of this high
[00:43:11] But I don't want to be on Jared golf on the road. I do
[00:43:16] Why did I bet against Kyle Shanahan
[00:43:20] At home. I'm gonna. I'm gonna do that
[00:43:22] I'm gonna do that. You know, this is how I go up two games on you in this contest and put it away in the divisional round baby
[00:43:29] um
[00:43:31] I'm going with the lion's plus the points here
[00:43:34] I think they can win this game
[00:43:37] I need I need to make it up. I give you the 49ers. I love I love them all season
[00:43:41] They've been my team all season. I'm not gonna get off the train. Oh, I thought you would already take the 49ers
[00:43:46] Yay
[00:43:48] I was just caveatting it with like a
[00:43:52] It
[00:43:54] It didn't win last week when I felt really good about it. I don't feel as good this week
[00:43:59] So maybe you know it. I don't know
[00:44:01] That does the first time I think the lions can win this game
[00:44:05] I don't think that I think the at the 49ers have played like a specific style of defense
[00:44:13] And I think that the 49ers are the lions play the while they're not very good right like they don't have a lot of skill
[00:44:20] They play physical as hell and
[00:44:23] They are going to hit the absolute shit out of these people and like
[00:44:27] I
[00:44:28] It's they're going to ugly this game up as much as they can and like those weapons look good
[00:44:34] um
[00:44:35] When they're running around and it's a little like the dolphins like it looks good when it's clicking and it looks amazing
[00:44:41] it looks unstoppable and
[00:44:43] Christian can make every might be unstoppable for this lion's team
[00:44:46] And that sort of is the x factor right like how much getting they put them in positions where you have to get
[00:44:53] Party to throw like that's how you beat this team
[00:44:56] And so if they can stop this run and be a little bit physical with them early like
[00:45:02] If if golf starts scoring points like the 49ers better get worried because if you're if you're relying on
[00:45:08] Brock party to be throwing three touchdowns in the second half to win you a divisional game against uh bite your kneecaps
[00:45:17] What's his nuts from the lions like I think that this team is going to come in
[00:45:22] uh
[00:45:23] hot and
[00:45:24] I think
[00:45:26] You know obviously
[00:45:29] All the caveats being like the 49ers offense it has looked essentially unstoppable
[00:45:34] But it looked like trash for the first half last week
[00:45:37] So if they come out slow like that and they do that
[00:45:40] I don't think that this this lion's team is going to give them the game back like a Jordan love packers team did
[00:45:46] They are going to scratch and claw for this game
[00:45:49] So I'll take I'll take it just being a tight one
[00:45:52] Yeah, the uh
[00:45:54] Do you want to change your pick after my
[00:45:56] Yeah, I don't know. I uh the other thing to mention here is though um
[00:46:02] I think there's one point that goes into our favor and one that kind of goes against it
[00:46:06] The first that goes against it is that I want to mention is Dan Campbell's insanely aggressive
[00:46:12] And so there is a chance that my guy just rolls the dice from his own 34th and 4
[00:46:18] And goes down 14 nothing
[00:46:20] And I'll love him for it to be clear like
[00:46:23] But that hurts you if you're looking for a close game and you need him to be in it right because just like how
[00:46:31] The 49ers don't want party to be back there slaying that thing
[00:46:36] You do not want chase young and bosa getting to tee off and come after you know it you have to throw the ball
[00:46:43] You don't want that if you're the lion
[00:46:45] The one thing that I will say that I thought was
[00:46:49] uh
[00:46:50] Good when I was thinking about this game and you talking about the 49ers offense baby thing of it
[00:46:56] I thought about you know if I was to take
[00:46:59] The team that I thought had peaked them had played the best game of football in the regular season that I'd see
[00:47:07] I don't think they usually win the championship
[00:47:10] And the 40 Dodgers are definitely that team, right?
[00:47:13] You're there peaked you're just like
[00:47:16] I need not know dude
[00:47:18] And if it's not them, it's the dolphins which is like the same thing kind of like what you're saying like
[00:47:23] It's such a high-powered engine that it's not made to slog in
[00:47:29] January and February
[00:47:31] Um, I do feel good about Tri-Williams taking out Hutchinson
[00:47:35] um, and
[00:47:37] Also if there's any funny business. I know Tri-Williams will punch someone
[00:47:41] But they're just I think they're gonna move Hutchinson around like they're not gonna let him just get shut down by Trump
[00:47:49] Like
[00:47:50] What I was actually about to say is I agree with you a lot on the prop market to hear like I think this is a really rich market
[00:47:58] And I think you could find some weird stuff because there's gonna be a lot of offense in these defenses or like
[00:48:04] The lions aren't great, but they're pretty good at like one and two positions
[00:48:09] So you could look at some of those like third and fourth option receivers for the 49ers who get action all the time
[00:48:15] Like these ought these offenses or the 49ers in particular they spread the ball out to those other guys
[00:48:22] So I think looking at some of those over receiving props could be interesting. I would also just look at like
[00:48:29] I'm on raw like uh, the
[00:48:32] And the tied-end like
[00:48:35] It's I think they're gonna have to throw the ball to be successful here. So it's uh
[00:48:42] Yeah, I think they're gonna be relatively close games
[00:48:48] Uh
[00:48:49] Four-a-half
[00:48:51] And then I think I think the
[00:48:54] The chiefs are likely to get blown out in the second half of Baltimore and I think the uh
[00:49:02] I think this is going to be a good game. I'm
[00:49:04] I've got mine over on your 15-a-half. It's supposed to be great weather. This is you know awesome
[00:49:11] Um, I think it I think both offenses are run by really smart people yeah
[00:49:16] and so
[00:49:18] I'd like bed Johnson obviously probably could have gotten a coaching job last year and decided to come back here
[00:49:25] So I do look forward to smart football be quit. I just think that's fun to watch like I don't want to send any gamble
[00:49:32] By it
[00:49:36] Yeah, that's true. I
[00:49:39] Would like to see that just
[00:49:42] After half time he just goes over and he goes you know what guys all start to fight yeah
[00:49:46] He gets over there just cold cocks and bites his kneecaps tears some skid off and walks back to the sideline
[00:49:52] What did it? Is Mel? I don't even want him to punch it. I want him to go straight to the kneecap
[00:49:58] Wow, that's probably gonna be difficult to do but I would like to see it
[00:50:02] I think I honestly think Shane Hanna would be so scared if Dan Campbell was walking towards him during the game that he would freeze
[00:50:10] Uh, I wouldn't blame him. I would say natural human reaction
[00:50:16] There's fight flight and freeze and that is a free situation
[00:50:21] Listen, they say if a fairer comes at you to you know play dead
[00:50:25] And I think that's exactly what Kyle would maybe he would just curl up in a ball
[00:50:30] Yeah, he'll Dan just takes a chunk out of his kneecap and walks to the other side
[00:50:37] Yeah, I nobody acknowledges it
[00:50:41] I do think we're gonna uh
[00:50:44] I do think we're gonna look back our Kyle Shanahan's career similar to how we look back on Andy Reed
[00:50:48] Where we're gonna be like all these people talking about this guy can't win a big gambler for us
[00:50:53] And I think he's
[00:50:55] the best off the best mind and
[00:50:59] I think the most fun Super Bowl by far is Ravens 40-niders that game is gonna be progress
[00:51:06] The thing that you get a little r you get yeah like if people 50-50 this game he'll definitely play at the Super Bowl
[00:51:13] The all of us it's a rematch too. Oh, it'd be unreal. It's so good. No, and uh
[00:51:21] I think that does go against my money line
[00:51:25] Opportunity for the Lions like the Lions are a cool story and they're historic franchise
[00:51:31] So I think the NFL will get whatever they will want to get
[00:51:34] But I do think that they would rather see the 40-niders in the Ravens like I think that if they if the Lions
[00:51:41] If we were riding the script and the Lions needed to get in I think you'd want the Chiefs in right?
[00:51:47] Like you want somebody that historic you want you want Taylor Swift in the building with
[00:51:52] The Lions you're gonna need that star power, but I don't think
[00:51:56] I want him to release a diss track about Taylor Swift. Oh my god
[00:52:01] Oh
[00:52:03] All right well that we need that to happen
[00:52:09] Yeah, but I agree with you
[00:52:10] I think the best football game is 49ers Ravens so I'm hoping that's then they played Christmas day
[00:52:17] Uh the Ravens oh man and the Ravens
[00:52:20] 3319 yeah, yeah it would be I gave the clearly did beat as much as the 40-niders but yeah, it was still
[00:52:29] impressive there um
[00:52:31] All right, uh, I think that's all we have this week
[00:52:35] I have uh looking to be tied up heading into the Super Bowl. I think that'll be great for me and
[00:52:41] We uh will
[00:52:43] Obviously, we'll release a quick video if any trade thinks happen. I don't expect anything to happen
[00:52:48] Uh before the week of the trade deadline
[00:52:51] For some reason teams just don't do it
[00:52:53] Besides the heat they they got Terry Rosier hats off
[00:52:57] It's Gary Tarrin. Uh, but yeah, uh and
[00:53:02] We'll walk you guaranteed themselves a uh
[00:53:05] A second round exit with Doc Rivers. That's good for them as well. Oh
[00:53:09] That's that's excellent to see
[00:53:11] Uh, all right anything else for you ride um
[00:53:19] Not perfect. So
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