Sound is the Medicine of the Future w/ Sound Facilitator Avi Sherbill

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[00:01:01] Hey y'all, welcome back to the Make One Day Happen podcast. I'm your girl Shenna Jean. And when I tell you today's about to be a vibe, it's about to be a vibe. Avi Sherbal is our guest and he is a sound and frequency healer.

[00:01:15] He founded SoundRx in 2019 to make sound healing as accessible as possible. Avi believes that sound is medicine and he's 100% correct y'all and that everyone deserves a sound prescription. His mission is to help people heal from deep rooted traumas and physical ailments with evidence-based healing frequencies.

[00:01:33] His mission stems directly from his own healing journey. Whereas a touring musician, Avi found himself down a decade of drug use before he started his healing his own trauma. Soundbaths were an integral part of his path to recovery. Avi now lives in California.

[00:01:47] He's got a beautiful wife named Candace. They've got two small children that are adorable and his dedication towards generational trauma healing is so freaking cool y'all. He's one of my favorite internet heroes.

[00:01:59] Can I tell you that I search for him when I'm on the gram to make sure I'm not missing anything? I'm telling you, his stuff is great. It's well branded, it's funny, it also gets you in your feels and like a little bit of

[00:02:12] the like, huh, I'm so seen. So definitely give him a follow. We'll make sure to get you all his contact info. But without further ado, welcome to the show, Avi. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thanks for that really wonderful introduction. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:02:29] Of course, I'm curious to know, do you know what your human design is? I am, what is it, a generator? Generator manifesting generator, manifestor projector or reflector? I'm a generator because my wife is a projector and she's very that's a nice combo.

[00:02:51] She's very locked into the projector design and she's done readings or different things with people and it's like really colored how she moves through her life. Yeah. It's such a helpful permission slip for me is what it's been.

[00:03:11] I'm a manifesting generator and so having what, I mean, I guess everybody calls ADD, ADHD at this point in life, but like always jumping all over the place and feeling like, oh, you actually are designed to do that.

[00:03:23] You're supposed to have lots of different interests and do lots of different things. I'm like, oh, okay. So I'm not just really bad at follow through cool. It's been helpful. So I always like to ask folks if they know what their human design is.

[00:03:36] So and I would love for you to take a few minutes, give the audience a little bit of your story, who you be, how you got to where you are right now in life and just share what feels most resonant for you right now. Yeah.

[00:03:49] So my backstory is I come from a religious upbringing. My dad was a rabbi growing up and we grew up in an Orthodox Jewish household. And so if you're familiar with that world or if you grew up religious

[00:04:09] in a different setting, it comes with a lot of beauty, a lot of community. And also, you know, I think you're oriented towards a more brutal and majestic worldview. You know, things are like heaven and God and these ideas as a child that I

[00:04:29] think are a little heavy and a little hard to fully understand. I think it was beautiful in a lot of different ways, but there is also a lot going on in the schooling and in the household that was at odds with

[00:04:48] the messaging of the spirit of the religious life. Yeah, I obviously didn't have the language for it, but I was going into a lot of shutdown, a lot of overwhelm that I didn't know how to process.

[00:05:07] There were things that were being done in the schools that I went to that were just very unhealthy, just sexual abuse and different things like that. And just abuse in the household that I grew up in. And so I didn't have a language for what I was experiencing.

[00:05:24] And so I turned all of my energy to music, you know, and that was like my safe space. And so it all kind of came through in the music. And I kind of slowly moved away from, because at a point I was very religious

[00:05:40] myself and then seeing all this duality, all the hypocrisy. I couldn't make sense of it and I couldn't have a nuanced take at, you know, the 15 year old brain. And so I just went to music, went to music and that was my space.

[00:05:58] And that was my thing for a long time. And then eventually a lot of what was going on underneath the surface kind of came to and I had mental breakdown, breakthrough, however you want to term it.

[00:06:16] But yeah, I think I was acting out a lot of my unhealed trauma with friends, with relationships and coupling that with drugs and minor, minor success. I think it just kind of and just perfect storm. Yeah, exactly.

[00:06:41] But what I see now is it was exactly as it needed to be. You know, I wasn't able to see that at the time. And it felt like my world was ending. Like and in many ways it was.

[00:06:53] All of my relationships and friendships just kind of went away. And it forced me to take a hard look at myself and what I was doing. And in that uncomfortable process, I came across sound healing. And so I had always obviously had a relationship with sound, with music.

[00:07:17] There was something different, though, about the pure tonal aspect of sound and vibration and frequency and also the approach. And so I became very interested and I immersed myself in it. And then the last seven years have just kind of been a journey into that space.

[00:07:41] That's it's so incredible how the things that we love as kids couldn't come back around and such profound like the foreshadowing is prevalent, right? And your story. I'm curious what instrument did you play growing up? So I played guitar, bass, keyboard or piano mainly.

[00:08:04] And I also was like into production. So I like putting it all together and creating pieces. Like that was kind of my thing is I like putting it all together. I created a little space in the downstairs where I grew up, where I had everything set up

[00:08:25] and I was able to record and loop stuff. And it was just like, it was the best. Yeah. I love that. And now I'm guessing you've got a little corner somewhere in your adult home where you get to do all of these fun things too.

[00:08:38] Yeah, it's a makeshift space that I utilize. But yeah, almost like three or four times a week, I'm probably creating. And I have everything kind of just set up so it's all in something called a gator gear.

[00:08:53] So I can just like unplug and plug it in and just set up the mics and get it all going. So same thing. I love it. I love it. Y'all, if you're listening, you're going to have to check out one of Abbey's virtual sound baths because they're dope.

[00:09:09] He's figured it out and highly, highly, highly recommend. He's got some just really great offerings to be able to share with you. And I think that's one of the things that I love about sound is that it's so freaking

[00:09:23] accessible once I think there's like that kind of barrier, like the mental barrier to overcome with people around like, well, what's a sound bath? And why would I do that? But once you get over that hump, it's like, oh, I just lay here.

[00:09:37] And listen, that's all I need to do. There's no talking about something that you don't want to talk about or there's no having to explain something or learn something. There's just this visceral feeling of actual medicine going through your body.

[00:09:55] And I think you're very, very into the quote by Edgar Cayce of sound is the medicine of the future. I think he would be so proud of us and we could start saying like sound is the medicine of today. Yeah.

[00:10:08] Yeah, I think like where things are heading right now with sound is super exciting. You know, I think like if you think about it 200 years ago, like just some of the classical musicians, like you would have needed to have had an orchestra to experience the sound, right? Right.

[00:10:28] And now it's in this vastly different state where it's, you know, super niche and there's all these micro genres and you have it on your phone and on Spotify and you can listen to literally everything. And I think that coupled with what's going on in the culture with

[00:10:51] overwhelm, with being inundated with so much information at all times, it's leading people back to the simplicity of like pure tone, pure sound, you know, and just moving away like a lot of I think what we experience

[00:11:08] on the radio, it's almost cartoonish how much sound is happening, you know, at once. And I think absolutely. And I think a lot of what this is is like the returning to simplicity, to community, to smaller, deeper spaces, you know? Absolutely.

[00:11:32] Ah, you know, there's power in all types of sound. People ask me like, well, why would I do virtual sounds? And it's like, well, I mean, you'll listen to Beyonce on Spotify is seeing her live front row way better. I mean, it's way different. Let's definitely say that.

[00:11:50] Definitely a different experience to go to a live sound bath versus something a virtual offering and you're still getting benefits. There's still an experience to be had and one that's, yeah, much better choice even than some of the sound decisions that we make throughout our day.

[00:12:08] And to be intentional about what we're listening to in any form is going to just result in feeling better, having higher vibrations and frequencies that we're all co-regulating off of each other with and is worth it, in my opinion.

[00:12:25] Yeah, I think the virtual component is interesting because obviously when people think of sound, they think, well, it should be live or I should experience it live. You know, and at the same time, there's something really intimate about

[00:12:42] being in your room and not being like in group with people. I think there is it's different, you know, and you kind of process things in a different way. You know, you're not listening to somebody breathing next to you. Somebody snoring, you know, it's like. Snoring. Yeah, snoring.

[00:13:01] Yeah. Evidently you're going to have someone who's adding their own vibrations to the mix. Yeah. And so I think you can sometimes process things in a deeper way, you know, because it's the safety of your blanket and your bedroom and you're like in that really quiet space.

[00:13:21] Yeah, that's such a beautiful call out there to recognize the emotional safety that virtual sound can provide versus, okay, now I've got to go find parking and figure out where I'm going and sit next to a stranger, which is a lovely thing to do.

[00:13:38] And sometimes if you really need to excavate some things might not be the most comfortable setting. Yeah. And what I found when I started doing the virtual sound baths during COVID, you know, I just kind of moved over like a lot of people did.

[00:13:55] And just because of my musical background, I was like, Oh, wow, this is actually pretty cool. And I kind of geeked out on the whole thing. And then what I found was you can explore certain themes that

[00:14:10] maybe even I as a facilitator feel like, Oh, is this the move? You know, it's like, is this too much? But then when you're just kind of like, it's just you and it's the person listening.

[00:14:23] And I started to do a lot of like heal your trauma sound baths. And I feel like those topics really do well when it's just do you by yourself? 100%. Yeah. Yeah. I pair guided visualization with sound baths and call it a sound journey.

[00:14:43] And I'll only do who the past self sound journeys, either one on one, or in a virtual like you're at home in your own situation. Even then I don't love the not being able to unpack some things if someone needs that support to integrate afterwards.

[00:15:01] But in a big group, that's a lot of energy to be processing and holding for a large group to go into different themes and ideals with. So I agree that there is absolutely some intentionality to bring into the space, whether it's virtual or live around

[00:15:20] how we're holding people in their energy. Yeah. Like, you know, in the trainings, I always say like, if it's a group, you kind of always want to play it safe. And you want to pull back a little bit usually then when

[00:15:33] if it is either a one on one connection, or I do feel like sometimes with with the virtual spaces, you know, there's just a greater ability to let go. Mm hmm. All things are true sometimes. So like, sometimes I can have a group as well.

[00:15:52] Yeah, it's like, you know, it's it's a couple of things at once, but, you know, in general, I think that's true. I love how you are like your mission is so specific to around getting people like frequency prescriptions.

[00:16:10] I'd love for you to talk a little bit if someone's listening right now and they're like, OK, like, I kind of get it. I don't really get it. Like maybe break it down for one of our listeners who's never been to a sound bath before.

[00:16:24] Why this is going to help shift their frequency. So if you think about it, you know, we have trillions of cells in our in our body and in turn, we have trillions of frequencies moving through us at all times.

[00:16:43] But like the very nature of sound, we don't see it. It's also inaudible. It's it's below our hearing range. So we don't experience it, you know. And so because of that, it's sometimes hard to access the idea that there are trillions of frequencies

[00:16:59] moving through me at once with that said. Because we have all those frequencies moving through us when we come in contact with vibration. There is something that that happens where it's like everything that occurred to you in your life, it wasn't just emotional. It wasn't just mental.

[00:17:23] It wasn't just physical. It was also occurring at a vibratory level, you know, in your cells, you know, in your connective tissue and your fascia in your skin, you know, in all of these different areas. And so when we've accrued all of this stress, all of

[00:17:44] this trauma, you know, a lot of the trauma is preverbal. You know, sometimes it's from being in the womb, you know, and so a lot of the cognitive and talk based therapeutics are powerful, but they also aren't able to access everything because we ourselves

[00:18:03] can't access everything, you know, by just speaking about it. Exactly. And so everything is being stored and we're holding onto it. And sometimes we don't even realize how much we're holding on to until we're able to let go or until

[00:18:22] we're able to not to release or to relax what is being stored inside of us. And so what sound is able to do is, you know, different frequencies, different ranges of frequencies affect us in different ways. When it's done in a intentional way, sound creates

[00:18:47] safety in the body, sound naturally induces a parasympathetic response. Sound can also naturally induce a sympathetic response. You know, it's, it can have different effects on us, but just focusing on what the idea is here. Most of us are running our lives in the sympathetic.

[00:19:07] We are either running our lives in a survival state or we are running our lives in a shutdown or functional shutdown state, right? And in turn, we've gone into our mind to create safety because our body's so pained and it's almost hard to access.

[00:19:25] And for many people, they don't even know what feeling safe in their body feels like. I didn't for a very long time. Right, right. And you know, like just tying in that anti-manifestation manifestation, that was part of the idea is like,

[00:19:41] how are you going to create if you are coming from a place of pain? You know, it's like, manifest, manifest, manifest, but your manifestation is rooted in a place of survival is rooted in a place of ego and identity and defensiveness.

[00:19:59] And so sound has this natural ability to put us in this slow down restful state. When we come in contact with that, all these other things start to get turned on because when the body is getting the signal of like,

[00:20:20] whoa, I can relax because all of the different cells, all of your connective tissue, all of the tension there is being released, it's being let go of. Then in turn that sending a signal that now I can access higher cognitive functioning.

[00:20:38] You know, now I can start to engage socially in a curious and compassionate way as opposed to a protective and defensive way. And so just through simple frequency, it can come into our bodies, come into our field, come into our bones and it can restructure

[00:20:59] and reform different thing. Everybody's different. Your past is not my past, you know? But we are all existing at a vibratory level and that's the power of sound as it comes into us and it restructures, it rebuilds what is needed

[00:21:16] and then in turn when we feel that safety and connection we're able to engage in a way that we weren't before. We're able to access cognitive functioning in a way we weren't before. We have greater capacity to be with stress, to be with anxiety, to be with life.

[00:21:32] Yeah. Well, thank goodness for sound. I really love the part that you mentioned around, yes, there's a lot of things we can think about and cognitively talk about and think through but it can't just be all about in the mind.

[00:21:54] If we don't start to address what's happening in our bodies and how we're storing stuck emotions and energy and trauma in the bodies, then yeah, you can manifest all you want. You can think all the affirmations in the world but if from that vibratory level,

[00:22:09] like you haven't released and transmuted some of those energies to create space for something different to come in then it's just never going to. And so I think that was a huge shift in my journey, was recognizing that until about 2020,

[00:22:27] like I was doing a lot of cognitive work and cognitive work can get you to a pretty far space but it's never gonna get you across the line if you don't start recognizing what's happening in your body and finding the ways

[00:22:43] that are most compatible with you to release that. And I think that is what's so beautiful about sound is that it's approachable for so many people and different types of people. There's so many different healing modalities out there and not all of them are gonna be a fit

[00:22:56] and I would offer that sound is a great fit for most people. There are very few people that don't listen to music and if so, I hope I'd never get stuck on a road trip with them. Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. I think there are certain people

[00:23:11] who are running really hot sometimes where just the simple act of being still can be too much for them. Like I have encountered that and there are specific populations that can experience that. And so sometimes movement is needed more than stillness and so everybody's different

[00:23:33] and I've worked a lot with addiction and mental health and I've worked with the VA in different spaces and you do see sometimes it's like, okay maybe at a later date this is the medicine but right now there's too much happening in their system

[00:23:53] and there needs to be more of a release and kind of a moving sort of thing going on. But yeah, in general I think, yes, it works for everybody at certain points and I think you're talking about with the cognitive work,

[00:24:11] teacher of mine would say it's the difference between identity and authenticity. Some people, their whole personality is rooted in their identity that they built off of their trauma and off of their pain and it's like, oh I'm a people pleaser and I'm the life of the party

[00:24:28] and I'm the fixer and the problem solver and that's all as a result of the identity that they had to create from their trauma, from their conditioning. Right. And so coming into authenticity is can be a bit disorienting and new

[00:24:47] and so that I think is what sound us is it kind of like reveals who you are without that stress, without that tension, without a lot of what we've acquired throughout the life. I mean so much of becoming an adult is just unlearning all of the things

[00:25:08] that we picked up along the way so we can remember who we really are. Which is funny little ironic plot twist of the human experience I suppose. Yeah and it's interesting too because if you think of, and I experienced this also as a parent

[00:25:26] which is so much of our early life we're being told like don't do that, don't do this, like don't play with that, don't go there, like put on your shoes, put on a jacket and in some way we're being told there is a danger.

[00:25:41] It's like this or that is dangerous, don't do that. And it's what does that do is that it tends to create this protective shell. It's like I can't do this and I can't do that and we tend to become anxious. We even become neurotic from it.

[00:25:58] The beautiful thing with the unpacking like you're saying and the unlearning is we start to get curious about like who am I actually? Not from a place of danger, not from a place of constantly evaluating things and like but actually sensing

[00:26:18] what does it feel like to slowly move on the ground? What does it feel like to just kind of take easy breaths? What do I genuinely want in this life for myself? And I think a lot of the way we were parented

[00:26:39] is kind of like butting heads with that. I absolutely would agree with that. I think part of why I resonate so much with your content and spirit is I was raised in right wing Christian Nazarene Denomination Church when grandfather was a pastor

[00:27:03] and you were saying earlier this like that duality, right? I think that religion has done such a phenomenal job at really highlighting the duality of love and fear. And for me in my experience so much of the tone of fear and hypocrisy and judgment was the overarching frequency

[00:27:27] and sense and energy that I got from what was also some really beautiful things, right? I went to 10 different schools growing up. My church community was the only consistent friend group that I had throughout most of my childhood and so there's some beautiful things

[00:27:45] that did come from my religious upbringing for sure and I also had a really hard time reconciling that like aren't we supposed to be loving everybody and being cool and kind? This is not adding up for me. The two different tones really that it comes down to

[00:28:06] of the love and the fear. And I think that you also like really highlighted that when it comes to parenting which I am not a parent. I think parents are superheroes and just here on an epic, epic mission and there is such an opportunity

[00:28:25] that our generation has right now to really open up to a different way of parenting. I think that our, I think we're about the same age and our parents just did the best that they could with what the tools that they had

[00:28:39] and we've had so much expansion with neuroscience and epigenetics and technology to really understand on a different level honestly what so many cultures have been teaching us and telling us for a long time. However, Westerners like to know how

[00:28:55] we want our science and our research to back it up and so now we are starting to get these things and have this deeper understanding and it's a cool time to be alive and in this generation of humans that are choosing to heal

[00:29:11] and to transmute what their ancestors and elders weren't able to. And then to be able to pass down these different signatures, energetic signatures to their children is the best form of generational wealth in my opinion. Money's cool too, but like let's start passing down new frequencies

[00:29:30] in our lineage. How about that? What's your relationship now with your upbringing like in that world or that dynamic? The religious dynamic? You know, it wasn't until uncovering some of my own repressed childhood trauma that I got back to a place where I could use God as language.

[00:29:51] I jumped out of the church as soon as I possibly could and went like the spiritual witchy woo woo route and I was the black sheep of the family for a long time and now I got all of my siblings, Sajin and Paulo Santuane

[00:30:05] and all of the things. They've all been on their own journeys as well and it's cool to see how they're coming back and now aligning and I love God. I'm so obsessed with God in a new way and a new way that I'm defining through my direct relationship.

[00:30:22] I think church and the religion does a brilliant job of making themselves middle management and like, no, no, you gotta come through us to get to God. That was the piece that I couldn't quite name as a kid that I can see now.

[00:30:36] It's like, no, the fuck I don't. I can choose to go into community and be in a space that acknowledges that there's a God or I don't believe that there is just one way to access God. I think like Christianity for me, I think Jesus is so dope.

[00:30:52] I absolutely believe he is the number one healer of all time and like we gotta have space for the reality that people have been accessing God in so many different ways that there's multiple pathways to find God. Just like there's multiple ways

[00:31:11] for us all to be brushing our teeth. We don't all have to do it the exact same way. We don't all have to go from top to bottom, left to right, right? As long as you're doing some sort of spiritual hygiene and energetic hygiene and these things,

[00:31:25] you're gonna find your way to that source energy, in my opinion. Yeah, no, I asked that because I think it's always interesting to hear how people come around to it, especially after going through their own personal journey because yeah, it's funny too

[00:31:44] because I've been in classes or teaching at places and they're like, you can mention universe or consciousness but don't use the word God when you're speaking in the class. And I was like, wow, it's so interesting that there's such a wounding around just God.

[00:32:04] When you have some God trauma on this planet for sure. For sure. Yeah, and so I think what happens, I don't know the details of your upbringing but I think because there's this concept that this is right, this is wrong, this is good, this is bad

[00:32:23] and the repercussions are heaven or hell. It's like, and you'll either be good or it's very intense. And then I think because the young mind can't comprehend all of that, it just gets turned inward. And it's like shame, judgment, self-hatred, sexualities repressed and it's like, yeah.

[00:32:46] I think growing up, it was interesting I went to all boys religious high schools and I think the sexuality because there's so much testosterone in a all boys high school and so it's just like spazzing out and it's just like these huge releases and cause there's no embodiment.

[00:33:07] There's no feeling your body. There's no, there's no like what is your voice? You know, what does it mean to love yourself? How does it mean like how do you show that you feel safe in a place? You know all of these things weren't available to us.

[00:33:27] And so I think just kind of like went the opposite direction. It's interesting it was, it wasn't until actually after my dad died and I had to say these like prayers, I didn't have to, I wanted to say these prayers for him

[00:33:40] and I started to attend religious services again and I was like, I like this. I don't feel towards it the way I once did for sure. I think there's like too much there for me, you know? But like I love it and I believe in it,

[00:33:55] you know and I believe in its depths. I just, I can't go all the way there. Yeah, I'm dabbling with church again, you know? I'm like, let me get my toe back in and see how this is going now that I've got different perspective.

[00:34:10] And for me, my big point of trauma really happened when I was five and at that moment like trying to reconcile why God would let something bad happen was a very challenging thing for my little five year old brain. Like so that's like, well then I'm bad, right?

[00:34:29] Like something's wrong with me if God isn't here to protect me. And that's where me and God broke up at that point. And I was like, I don't really know about this. And it was obviously all happening on a subconscious level.

[00:34:45] Yeah, it's just been in the last year and a half that that's really like, oh, okay yeah. Got it, that repressed trauma makes me make a whole lot of sense now. Okay, okay. Yeah, I definitely had my season of running and drug use

[00:35:07] and just let's numb this out as hard as we possibly can and call it a good party. Feel very fortunate to have been protected. And when I think about my grandfather who has prayed for me every day of his life and my grandmother and it's like, oh wow,

[00:35:24] like there is something bigger out there and having some sort of connection to it that comes through like that authentic version of self versus someone telling you how to do it, I think is such a beautiful part of the human experience if people choose to engage with it.

[00:35:45] Yeah. I don't know that everyone will and that's okay too but it's there and it's available. Yeah, and I think that's one of the beautiful things with sound is it doesn't come with all of the baggage of dogma and language.

[00:36:00] And it just kind of highlights the core of reality. It's like the core of reality is like pulsating energy that's moving and that's experienced through sound. And so it's like, I think it's why so many people are able to utilize it. Mm-hmm.

[00:36:26] Yeah, it drops us into this state where our body is in that parasympathetic state and completely relaxed and asleep almost while the brain I always encourage people that I'm working with like think of this as an adventure in your consciousness quite literally

[00:36:42] and talk them through the brainwave states like we're going to fatal end baby we are trying to get that body asleep while your mind is still awake to be able to listen from a place of stillness and to your point that yeah, there absolutely can be

[00:36:57] some people that are running a little hot that need some additional practices to help them get into a space of safety and stillness and it is just the greatest gift that like it's really interesting. I'm in Tulsa, Oklahoma and Tulsa has a wild history

[00:37:18] and I host a monthly live sound journey down in Greenwood which is the site of the largest massacre of our own citizens in America, crazy situation. And happened in 1921 and it's been repressed on a community level and on a national level for a very long time.

[00:37:41] Most people don't know about the Tulsa race massacre and it's been hidden and to like feel the energy in this land that's still holding on to so much trauma is been a very fascinating experience I moved here about a year ago

[00:37:56] and it's just the most sacred, humbling thing that people will come and lay down on this land and rest with me, right? They'll bring their kids, they'll bring their parents and like we can all rest here and heal here what has been such a traumatic part

[00:38:17] of our nation's history. And the more ways and places and spaces we can find I think to do that and to create these little just safety bubbles come in and rest in a world that is designed to keep you running at full speed,

[00:38:36] keep you in your sympathetic stress response at all times. It's literally designed to keep us from doing anything but a sound bath, anything but. It's like the most recklessly rebellious thing in this day and age that you can do is to take an hour for yourself

[00:38:54] and listen to some healing frequencies and they wanna make it sound boo boo boo's fuck so that we don't do it. Yeah, well I mean there's a rich tradition of the gaslighting of anything holistic. You know, I mean that goes back to Rockefeller

[00:39:09] and just kind of the, you know, the pharmaceutical age that we're still kind of living through what they did to chiropractor. You know what, they made everything that was kind of had any touch of the natural and it was deemed like fringe and you know not.

[00:39:33] They cancel it before canceling was even a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's existing in every aspect of the culture and I think a lot of people, I think like anything I was like reading somewhere how 80% of people in general are part of the consensus.

[00:39:52] They just kind of go along with whatever the thing is, you know and so 80% I think will just kind of naturally move with whatever direction like the culture is telling them to and at the same time I see just in like, you know, anecdotally my small world,

[00:40:12] so many people burned out, tired of what they were thinking would get them to this place of happiness or contentment and I think if it's not in work, it's in relationships, if it's not in relationships, it's like just how their body is speaking to them.

[00:40:37] So all of these different ways it's just kind of saying like yeah this is not working right and I think culturally and just like physically we've never been sicker you know and yet we have advancements like never before so like there's obviously a disconnect somewhere

[00:40:57] like something is not on you know probably don't want to go too far into this but like kids in this age are sicker than they've ever been right and it's like okay with all these advancements you know and us being like the height of the modern age

[00:41:16] how are people sicker than kids in particular sicker than they've ever been, you know giving them names for their sicknesses to normalize it that didn't exist in the rates that it was and how are you seeing in adults loneliness like there's never been you know

[00:41:33] an unhappiness and anxiety and stress like there's never been and you know like our age like this you know the older millennial age is worse off in a way than their parents were and it goes back to the last time

[00:41:48] that having been the case was in the 1800s where like the next generation was worse off than their parents were you know and so I think people are feeling that and feeling like the BS of a lot of what were being fed with work just the work hustle,

[00:42:07] the just culture dynamic of I mean plug in whatever you want to do and so I think people are feeling that and I think we're kind of turning a corner I really do feel that way with what people are creating as life for themselves

[00:42:27] and I think a lot of it is like simplicity you know slow, simple living in a lot of ways. Have you ever read The Celestine Prophecy? You know I haven't and I know some people who say it is like they're Oh, oh, oh, oh, ah me.

[00:42:47] This is a stop drop and read my friend. Stop drop this. You know pause, just read. Team Prophecy will pick back up after reading. It's so good. It's so good. It's this manuscript in Peru that is being chased down by the government

[00:43:10] and the church and a group of like independent citizens are trying to find this last part of this manuscript and it's these 10 insights or principles about how our energetic world works and it's one of those things that's kind of like the matrix

[00:43:30] it's like wait, is this a movie or a documentary? What's going on here? So it's got this like Indiana Jones vibe to the book and it's very much paralleling what's happening in the world and lays out a bunch of energetic principles that I really wish more people understood.

[00:43:50] And one of the big things that it talks about is that there is going to be this shift in our evolution and in our consciousness where we do break it like with the rise of technology and our ability to automate so many like mundane tasks

[00:44:06] that we get to shift into working in states of creativity and pleasure and play and being able to teach each other and help heal each other versus staying in these really like stuck in the hustle and grind. I'm all about canceling hustle and grind culture.

[00:44:26] Alignment and flow baby, let's get into alignment and flow hustle and grind is done and it's done a number on us to your point like we are in a tight spot right now and I also have all the faith in the world

[00:44:41] that we can pull this out and pull this, turn this around and my mission as a human in my work is to raise the vibration of humanities consciousness. Like we can do this people, we can do this, we can use energy, we can use our thoughts,

[00:44:57] we can use sound, we can use visions. We can literally start to shift the frequency of humanity so that we can have a world to pass on to our children and that there are seven generations coming after us because at this point it's debatable.

[00:45:14] Yeah, you know it's interesting when you were talking about going to that land in Oklahoma and bringing the healing there. You know it's like they say how epigenetics, how we carry at least three generations of trauma in ourselves, like at least three generations. At least.

[00:45:35] Yeah and so I feel like that with land also. There's an energy that's being held in land in the same way that's being held in our bodies. Exactly. And so I feel like we are kind of reckoning with how things have been and like in one direction

[00:46:03] it's like low calorie, empty nothingness of commercialized neon edited filtered faces, everything. And I feel that even when I don't watch too much TV or movies but when I do I always feel like I just can't even get into this half the time

[00:46:26] because I'm like this is just, it feels so empty and it feels so like you're seen behind the curtain in a way. And I feel like that's especially the last four years. It's like oh the culture is like nothing, this is empty

[00:46:41] and a lot of that world I think is dying off and fading even if it continues as it was. And I think it's funny too with the religion and everything it's like yes the wounding and hypocrisy and the duality and a lot of abuse

[00:46:57] and a lot of just terror and terrible things that that's created. What I do connect most with is the prayer in like the services because I think the prayer is the part that really hasn't been touched and I think what I love about that I was feeling

[00:47:16] like I posted something on Instagram about Michael Jackson actually like where he was talking about how songs are like, you know. And what I love about that and it's the same idea to me as prayer is it's your, the technology is you're repeating a pattern, you know.

[00:47:33] And then you're repeating a pattern with the voice, you know. So it's like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, or like oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah I'm not using words but like you know what I'm saying it's like.

[00:47:45] I'm starting with the man in the mirror. Ooh, ooh. So you're repeating the pattern with the voice and the prayer in particular, you know what it has are ancestors information, you know. It's the words and it's the language and it's the sounds of our ancestors.

[00:48:09] And when we repeat and we repeat that, we create these different realities, you know. I mean that is what mantra is about. You repeat the mantra enough and you change reality states, you know. Like I'm saying that it's like you change states

[00:48:24] and then you repeat that or you repeat that and then my old form has changed into my new form, you know. And suddenly I'm this new person and I feel like culturally we've been repeating a pattern for so long and that also carries our ancestors in it.

[00:48:43] And I think like when you're talking about like your parents or grandparents, it's like yeah they haven't had the luxury of either not being in survival mode or having some of these tools. I mean the 60s I think did open it up in a lot of ways.

[00:49:04] But at the same time, I think we're just kind of coming into a greater consciousness of a lot of these things and I think we're starting to create these new patterns or at least like my, that is what I'm moving towards, you know. I'm right there with you.

[00:49:21] I say this all the time like talking about, you know, I help people get clarity on their blind spots and get out of their own way and what blind spots are, are subconscious patterns and programs. That's what a blind spot is

[00:49:35] and we need other people to really help us see our blind spots, right? Like I love how in your story, on your site you talk about like once you recognized like there was gonna be a shift made and you were starting a healing journey,

[00:49:48] we need other people to do that. We need coaches and therapists and sound guides and other people to help us shift into different frequencies and vibrations and help us see the patterns that we are no longer wanting to participate in.

[00:50:02] And I, it's a, it kind of goes back to systems-based thinking in a sense of we can't expect the collective to heal if we aren't doing that work in and of ourselves, right? Like we can't expect any of the multiple wars and genocides that we have going on.

[00:50:21] Like it's simply a reflection of our inability to sit and be with the wars within us. And that's why we are still seeing such horrific things happening on a global scale because it is, they, the patterns are these fractals

[00:50:38] that just reflect on an individual and a collective level. And so I am passionate as fuck about getting people into sound bass and helping them see their patterns because the more that we can do that on our own individual level,

[00:50:53] the more that it ripples out to the generations behind and in front of us. And that frequency is like really going to all of those around us, even if they're not our bloodlines, right? So that's why I am such a huge fan of your work, sir,

[00:51:07] in what you're doing because it's very aligned with my personal mission in this lifetime as well. No, I love the way you just kind of shared there with the blind spots and just kind of being the subconscious. It's like, it's so true, you know?

[00:51:22] And it could be our subconscious, the subconscious of our grandfathers, like, you know, we're into this kind of body and current iteration, but yeah, it's either happening. It's like macro and micro. It's like in a cultural sense and also just in a personal sense.

[00:51:43] It's like if you have an old habit coming from survival mode, you know, that's your mantra. You know, it's like, you know, I can't deal with this. Like, what, you know, that's your mantra because you're repeating it every day. And so whatever you're repeating,

[00:52:01] that's what you're experiencing in life. Like that to me is the technology and that to me is like the healing in a lot of ways is like whatever you're repeating daily to create these new patterns, you know? And that was like really my experience with sound

[00:52:19] is like as soon as I felt that like slow down, calm feeling in my body without some artificial thing creating it, I was like, wow. Like what is this? This is something, you know? And then repeating it or repeating it and creating this new reality and it's subtle.

[00:52:44] You don't see it right away, but then it's like my anger wasn't like it was and my resentments weren't, you know, my resentment towards my dad isn't how it was, you know? And I'm just like looking at myself isn't, you know?

[00:52:57] I'm looking at the man in the mirror is different. You know, I was like. You know, all of these things. And I think that's how you change things, you know? Because I cannot change things at a global scale, you know? Exactly.

[00:53:11] None of us came, but we can all start on our individual scale and that is what causes that shift in this like ripple effect. Like I can see like a whole ripple effect of elevated consciousness. And to your point, I love what you just said about sound

[00:53:27] and what dropped in for me in that is like sound is a pattern interruption for people in like yet a very gentle healing way, but it's interrupting the patterns, the programs that are on this like repeat and taking us for a ride that we're not even aware of.

[00:53:46] And it's bringing those cells into a different resonance and providing space for other thoughts and energies to come in because we're dissipating and shaking some shit out of there. And so, yeah, I can absolutely relate that first time laying down for a sound bath being like,

[00:54:04] what just happened here? Yeah. I didn't need to do that again. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's true. There's a great piece by Don Campbell who worked a lot with The Voice. You know, he talked about like when you go on vacation, like you're saying it's a disruptor.

[00:54:24] Your life has been in a pattern. And then you go on vacation, you're like, oh my God, the coffee here. Oh my God, like the croissants. But it's not the coffee and it's not the croissants. You know, it's like you've disrupted your environment and you've disrupted the pattern.

[00:54:38] And so now things feel fresh and they feel new, you know? And so, yeah, like you're saying with needing people outside of ourselves left to our own devices, like left to my own devices, I would smoke weed and I would be sitting on my couch

[00:54:53] and I'd be numbing out because I don't know any different. I don't know any better. I don't even realize that's like as a result of X, Y and Z. But then when you have people and you have resources

[00:55:04] and you have tools and you start to give language to it, then you realize like, whoa, there's this other way. And then you like, you know, there's this idea in AA, like alcohol, it's anonymous. They say like, as soon as you go into a meeting

[00:55:20] and let's say you relapse and like you drink again, right? So then you have a belly full of beer but you have a head full of AA. Like once you're aware of it, it changes like that experience yeah, of drinking again.

[00:55:33] And I think the same thing is true with this. As soon as you realize like how things can be when you go back to like the old coping mechanism, it like doesn't feel the same way it used to, you know? Absolutely. Yeah, it doesn't sit right.

[00:55:51] Cause it's like, oh, wait a second. I also know that I can have an experience of bliss and relaxation and peace in my mind and in my body with sound. Oh, great. Yeah. What's the vibe like in Tulsa? I'm interested. It's fascinating.

[00:56:15] There's a lot here from a historical perspective, you know, Tulsa and Oklahoma's where the trail of tears ended. So there's just a lot from an indigenous perspective that happened here on this land. There was Greenwood was the most prosperous black community

[00:56:32] in America at the time when it was burned down to the ground by the KKK and over 300 people lost their lives that we know of. And it's been like I said, repressed. There's, this is all happening in the Bible belts. And there's a Jewish billionaire

[00:56:50] that's built an entire private economy to support the resurgence of Tulsa, which has been really fascinating to be kind of in the mix and in the middle of. Tulsa was just named a tech hub by the federal government. So there's a lot of emphasis on tech startups

[00:57:09] and providing access to funding and accelerators and resources for black and minority founders. It's a fascinating place to be right now. And I really like see this like little spiral of frequency that can be unlocked. It feels like there's, because there's so many different like cultural meeting points

[00:57:35] that are like here and have been here, it's like, man, if we could just like really start to shift some of the frequency here, I can see this like whole spiral pattern like going out across the whole nation cause it's just sitting right at the heart

[00:57:48] of everything as well. So come visit, bring your samples. We'll do something great together. No, it's interesting hearing that. I like wasn't aware of that landscape existing. And I think yeah, like what you're saying is true. It's like providing the external resources, right?

[00:58:07] But then they still don't touch on the internal resource. Like you still like- There's still a wellness gap here for sure. For sure. Interesting. And I get it. Like the trauma is still so heavy. The energy is still very present here

[00:58:25] and there's still a lot of pain and suffering and active just honestly, racism. And it's a lot, it's a lot going on here. And again, like I think it's, there's so much possibility to turn a corner in this landscape here and bringing more sound,

[00:58:47] bringing more easy ways to regulate nervous systems and just rest and heal has been just, it's been amazing to be able to serve in this way in this community. So I really enjoyed my time in Tulsa so far and I've got nieces and nephews here.

[00:59:05] So I'm gonna stick around for another year or two and see how it goes. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I'll just share this is that, I used to work more in the addiction space and there were actually a lot of people from Oklahoma

[00:59:22] that would come to California. I would interact with people who, just on the surface you would think would never gravitate to what I was saying. When you start talking about the nervous system and trauma and their full body tattoos and they just got out of prison,

[00:59:42] as soon as you bring down the language and you explain what is actually sometimes happening internally for these people, like you've been trying to self-soothe. You've been trying to create this feeling of safety but the only way that was learned was by taking something into your system.

[01:00:03] So all of these things, people they understand because they're humans. Right, it goes back to that vibrational thing that we actually get and we all are having an experience of. Yeah, and I think that is one of the most beautiful things where you see really cross over

[01:00:26] what would otherwise be dividing lines of socioeconomics and class and race and then you get people in a room and you actually talk about what's underneath the hood, what's actually going on here. And then they're like, oh wow, I feel that totally.

[01:00:47] I've been running my life in that state for a long time. Wow, I have been popping off at people as a result of what I saw and all of that. Well, I know that I wish we had all the time

[01:01:02] in the world, we do have all the time that we need and this has been such a beautiful conversation. I want to, I just wanna highlight y'all that Avi has a sound healers training that he does called heal yourself, heal others, which I think is so beautiful

[01:01:20] because you mentioned it at the very beginning of the podcast but like sound has to be intentional. There's a lot of sound and noise pollution out there that's not great and as sound healers, like I just love that the focus is on healing yourself first

[01:01:36] because it's from that place then that we can offer a handout and support someone else in their journey. So maybe give us just a quick bit on that and where people can find you before we wrap up. Yeah, thank you.

[01:01:52] So I offer a training, heal yourself, heal others. That's a comprehensive sound healer training to help people become conscious practitioners of sound and everything we've been talking about is kind of also talked about in the training. It's very much a nervous system based approach.

[01:02:13] The idea is that with sound it's interesting because you sometimes think, well I could play the bulls or I could play the gong or I could play these things because they genuinely aren't as difficult as picking up a guitar. For sure.

[01:02:28] The difference though is what you are creating with those instruments is very different than what you are doing with a guitar. And so understanding how sound is perceived, what waves are creating, why more waves versus less waves create these very different responses in the body

[01:02:48] and the nervous system. And so we go through different instruments, different techniques, whether it's one on one or group. But it's all through the lens of first creating safety in the body and first bringing people into their body. And then the beautiful thing with sound

[01:03:06] is you can actually meet people's distortions or activate somebody's triggers through sound. But it's from a place of safety, right? Because a lot of people, their trauma occurred when they were alone and by themselves. And so when you create a space and like you're talking about this intentionality

[01:03:27] of safety, that is where real magic can happen. But yeah, first it is always through meeting ourselves at that level and then we're able to bring it to others. So it's a six week journey and yeah, we are doing it again on March 24th

[01:03:47] and yeah, hoping to run a retreat shortly after that and all the things. So yeah. I love it. I look forward to the day that I get to receive some of your sound live in the flesh. It will happen.

[01:04:05] The last question that I ask every guest on my podcast, I've got a gratitude practice that I do every night before I fall asleep. I'm curious to hear what's one thing from the last 24 hours and it needs to be oddly specific. Like you can't just say your kids,

[01:04:20] you have to tell me something like, what was it that the kids did or get a little juicy with it? Okay. It is something that I'm grateful for. Something that you're grateful for in the last 24 hours. That's oddly specific. Okay. Like this request. Yeah.

[01:04:42] So, you know, just cause you were mentioning my kids. So I was talking to my daughter and I was talking to her like, oh, do you wanna start making applesauce? And like we could even put like some, you know, I make this like cream.

[01:04:59] It's nice just like raw milk based cream. I was like, we could even put some cream on that. And she's like, no, that's for summertime. And I was like, oh, like why would you only eat that during summertime? And she's like,

[01:05:14] cause that's when you're by the swimming pool and that's when we eat summer cream and we go on top of clouds. And, you know, there is this moment where I was like, wow, she's like four, but a beautiful artist and poet, you know? And just so aggressive.

[01:05:35] And I was like, what? You know? I was like, what did you just say? You know, so we can go on clouds and eat summer cream. You know, just like, and I just, I smiled so big at that cause I was like, that's genius. Yeah, it is.

[01:05:55] And the imagination of small children is just so incredible. And I don't know if you know this, but I'm obsessed with clouds. And in my sound journeys, we always time travel on a neon cloud is how we get whip around. So that particular gratitude really resonates with me.

[01:06:13] So please give her a hug and high five for me. Tell her that I'm down for a summer cream cloud ride anytime. Oh, good. Well, thank you so much, Avi. It was so, so, so wonderful to connect with you.

[01:06:30] I just am so grateful for you following that inner light and sharing your sound and your mission with the world. It means a lot and it's important. So please keep going, friends. Know that I'm always here cheering you on. Thank you so much for tuning into another episode

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