How to Turn Your Struggle Into Swag with Kobe Bryant & Michael Jordan’s Mindfulness Coach George Mumford

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Make One Day Happen podcast. I'm your host, Shenna Jean. This podcast is designed to inspire, educate and empower people to elevate their consciousness and activate their full potential. We share stories, ideas and resources that support our listeners

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[00:00:46] Shenna Jean. And when I tell you that I've got a special guest for us today, woo wee! Do I have a legendary guest? George Mumford is a globally recognized speaker, teacher and coach. Since 1989, he's been honing his groundbreaking performance and mindfulness techniques with people from

[00:01:04] locker rooms to board rooms from Yale to jail. Michael Jordan, yes, the Michael Jordan credits George with transforming his on-court leadership while Mumford has also worked with Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, countless other NBA players, Olympians, executives and artists. Mumford's

[00:01:21] first book, The Mindful Athlete, Secrets to Pure Performance is a memoir and instruction guide to accessing your inner masterpiece. His new book Unlocked, Embrace Your Greatness, Find the Flow and Discover Success was just released in May 2023 and I'll be honest y'all,

[00:01:36] I didn't know how he was going to top his first book, however he knocked it out of the park, in my opinion. While he was at the University of Massachusetts, he roomed with future Hall

[00:01:45] of Famer Dr. J Julius Irving and Injury's Force Mumford out of basketball and into addiction to pain medication and drugs. With the help of meditation and mindfulness, he got clean and made it his mission to teach and work with others. So with just so much

[00:02:01] excitement George, welcome to the show. I'm really, really, really excited to have you here today. Well thank you. I'm excited to be here and excited to be visiting with you today. Same. And we're in your audience as well but yeah, it's good to see you.

[00:02:16] Likewise sir, likewise. I was telling you right before we started recording, I like overprepared to underprepared for this and there are just so many things that I could go off on tangents on and want to talk about. And so I'm going to trust like you mentioned in

[00:02:31] your book that whatever we need to say is going to be useful and that whatever we need to say is going to be given to us. And I want to start with just an acknowledgement because the way that you synthesize, simplify and share complex,

[00:02:47] heady topics on consciousness of all things, I would say that that's the same way that Michael Jordan could float across a court and make it look effortless. As my nibblings would say, my little nieces and nephews like you're goaded. You are literally the goat of teaching modern

[00:03:03] day mindfulness. And one of my favorite concepts that you speak to in both of your books is no struggle, no swag. And I'd love for us to really start there and have you give our listeners kind

[00:03:15] of that high level overview of who you be and how you got here and a little bit of that struggle to swag story of yours. Yes, thank you for sharing that. Let me see. So I just celebrated 39 years

[00:03:27] of sobriety in July. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you. So I like a lot of folks. I grew up a certain way. I had a certain way of being and I encountered a lot of difficulty, you know,

[00:03:42] but people would say to me things like, well, why do you talk about your substance abuse and your chronic pain and your struggle not knowing who you were when you got injured and

[00:03:52] stopped playing basketball in college? And I said to them that no struggle, no swag means that but the baptism of the fire with Joseph Campbell said in Paul Smith is where your pain is, is where

[00:04:07] your life is. And it's another way of saying as you go into the pain, the only way out is always through and so but you go into it not identifying with it, but using it as a motivation and using

[00:04:21] it as a teacher and realizing the pain is telling you something's not right and you got to deal with it and even if it is pain that you can't avoid, you don't have to create suffering out of it by

[00:04:33] acting like it shouldn't be there and pushing it away. Once again, it's always about just saying yes to it and then what's the lesson and then leveling up. So for me,

[00:04:43] so I went through all of that, even though a lot of my friends were several of my friends were playing in the NBA and and of course I didn't get to do that but I struggled for years. It

[00:04:55] was substance abuse being a I would say functional substance abuser, you know getting addicted to pain meds and then to alcohol and heroin but at some point I was just taking everything, then matter was cracked whatever but also my consciousness. If I could watch the three

[00:05:09] students and then alter my consciousness, I could do that so it was really more so I got to a place where I like to talk about it as what I call the AOF method of motivation and that

[00:05:23] basically is ass on fire. So there has to be a sense of urgency and I came to the realization at some point on April Fools' Day believe it or not that when a friend of mine came by and he

[00:05:35] was clean and he took me to an AA meeting and that's when I realized when I first saw him I got inspired by okay, what's new doing because you know he different and he's like me

[00:05:47] and he's doing that then that's a opportunity for me and so of course it took me three more months before I finally went into detox and came out of the detox and I was a different person

[00:06:01] and then from there it was just a matter of me just being able to behave my way in a proper thinking. Just do the things that I needed to do instead of trying to think my way into them

[00:06:12] and I like to talk about it in some ways I talk about you got to forget yourself to find yourself and I found myself in service yeah in service you know prayer and meditation were

[00:06:22] really going inside the inside job and just really listening and stop drowning out that still small voice but actually creating the space and the silence to actually hear it because we have this ability I call the masterpiece within a place of rest. Joseph

[00:06:38] Campbell talks about what there's an ability when we come out of that place of rest there's unlimited creativity and wisdom that expresses itself in that way and so it was it's just really

[00:06:51] more about me just saying yes to life and then figuring out generating hope and figuring out okay what's the lesson here how can I be myself how can I be a service and that's kind of that's

[00:07:03] how it came about and of course one of the things I recognized early on in recovery was that I had this need to be intellectually stimulated so I've been averaging down this is year 40 I'm in

[00:07:17] I'm still averaging at least a book a week but yeah and as well as just now that I have audible and podcasts and whisper syncing all of these other things I can I can ingest books

[00:07:33] and teachings and and just information in ways where I'm always learning and but a lot of it really is just like Yogi Berra the Hall of Famer for the New York Yankees of course I'm in Boston so people

[00:07:48] might get upset with me I love Yogi he said you can see a lot just by observing well you know so and he also said something very profound he said when you get to the fork in the road

[00:08:00] take it yeah you know so is this simplicity of what we talked about and how profound that is even though it ain't over till it's over or or someone made a comment about his hitting

[00:08:14] and he said lady I don't hit with my face no so it's really or I ain't no slump I just ain't hitting you know all of these nuggets of wisdom that you can listen and you can learn

[00:08:27] from yourself you'll learn from anybody so it's really more about being a learner being excited about life I see life as an adventure and the greatest adventure that I'm on that I can be on

[00:08:38] is getting to know myself better I love this I really loves again both of your books I'm an avid reader as well and what I love from the mindful athlete is you know that's really

[00:08:54] that memoir style yet also hybrid personal development book and again as someone who grew up in sports and huge basketball fan that what that book is easy for me to get into and what

[00:09:08] I really love that you did in your second book unlocked is that you went deeper on different subjects and yet also broader at the same time to bring in a wider audience that might not

[00:09:24] have the understanding and analogies or history with basketball and to recognize that this greatness well yes MJ and Kobe and some of the other incredible athletes that you've worked with

[00:09:35] come with a different type of skill set than a lot of the rest of us we all have that master piece within we all have the greatness that we can tap into if we choose like you were saying

[00:09:46] to get quiet listen to those still voices within that are always whispering wisdom and instructions and guidance for us we're just usually too busy piling on with the distractions and not to mention this world is designed in my opinion to keep us disconnected from

[00:10:02] ourselves to keep us in the in the madness of what's going on on the news or you know instead of loving thy neighbor let's find another way to pick on thy neighbor and kind of all of the

[00:10:13] things so I would love to start with the idea of growing my dad one of the things that he I can just still hear his voice in my head sheen are you shooting to miss or you're shooting to

[00:10:28] make right now and that has been such a translatable lesson in my life that was on the court that happened but really comes off the court and like yeah if I am coming at this with

[00:10:42] the mindset of like I'm not going to make it or I'm going to fail at this if I'm bringing fear worry and doubt into the equation then I'm setting myself up for more likely than not failure versus

[00:10:54] success and so that lesson has predisposed me to have a really positive mindset and confidence in life however when you started talking about at the beginning of unlocked the idea of

[00:11:07] the best way to make buckets is to not try and make buckets my head exploded I was like why I'm not supposed to be focused on making buckets like I'm still picking up the pieces trying to

[00:11:21] integrate this one into my life George and so can you speak a little bit more on that idea yes thank you for asking that so this is something that took me decades to figure it out

[00:11:33] is that you form the intention then you relax and then you allow it to happen see because in the action of I gotta do this there's just efforting this it's like Sisyphus pushing a rock up the hill it goes up come back down it's too much you're

[00:11:52] resorting too much effort when slowest move this move this fast so it's just just just to say okay do it so you're not focused on how you're doing you focus on what you're doing

[00:12:03] but the reality is when we get focused on the outcome we're not in the moment and then we're getting anxious about it and we're looking that we get into the fear mode because we're afraid of

[00:12:14] failing so we're looking for for um signposts to say we're going in the right direction or it's gonna it's gonna work so what this is really about is the best way to score is not to try

[00:12:27] to score is you form the intention then you open up to the part to the moment to the day and see what happens and so that that that came about it was interesting with 2000

[00:12:41] and I was my first year working with the Lakers and it was before game and like the way a lot of this stuff happens I don't know what made me say that but I said to Kobe the best way to

[00:12:52] score is not to try to score and he got what I was saying in other words like you're trying to art that's what most of us do we try to art we're trying to make things happen instead of

[00:13:01] allowing things to happen so you need to have a certain quality of trust and faith in yourself faith in what you're doing and confidence in yourself you have to be open and you have

[00:13:13] to like you talked about you shoot with the expectation of making the shot so you would expect that then of course I'm going back to my Christian roots but you know an sermon on a mount when Jesus was talking and he talked about the at the acronym ask

[00:13:31] ASK asking this you'll be given to you seeking he shall find and knock until and it shall be open unto you so it's realizing that from a quantum physics point of view is these waves of possibility and with the right intention and attention

[00:13:49] and under the right conditions you're going to have a collapse of the wave function so that possibility is there so if we act as if the possibility is available to us then we have we call this expectation outcome expectation or self-fulfilling prophecy you expect things to

[00:14:07] work out but it may not be today it may not be this moment but my job is to continue to intend and bring that quality of enthusiasm and ready you know just just staying on task

[00:14:22] not quitting not stopping but I can bring a joy to it I can bring a like a childlike quality of just a sense of wonder a sense of you know excitement curiosity those qualities of

[00:14:37] mind really help us to have the patience to allow things happen so we form the intention but then coming from that silence that stillness right there's a part of us that we got to get out

[00:14:48] of the way so we can be ourselves we get in the way we're trying too hard or we're saying it should be this way instead of saying no the way is you just got to accept whatever is there and go with

[00:14:59] it it's like improvisation right it's like when you're doing improv somebody offers you something and I read this example is like okay there's an elephant in the bathroom and you know how

[00:15:11] do you deal with that well I hope he doesn't use all the toilet paper stuff like that right but it's it's that sort of thing even though it's ridiculous and it's like oh my goodness but if you can just

[00:15:23] go with it flow with it then then you get into the rhythm you get in alignment with how things are and when you're in alignment you find yourself as if you're in a current being carried

[00:15:35] carried downstream because you you've just stopped resisting the flow of life and you're in the flow of life that improv rule like you have to say yes and if no if you're listening and you've never tried

[00:15:49] well you don't ask you but if you if you want to keep it you want to keep moving exactly and that's but if you want to stop and begin again then that's different but then the other person

[00:15:59] it says well you didn't take that one when you say something I'm not taking what you say now it's a tip for tat instead of being that more of a partnership more of a unification

[00:16:12] yeah it's like a co-creation just like yes we are all in co-creation with the universe right now or god or source you know whatever all of us choose to call it it's this recognizing that

[00:16:24] we can fight against it and keep saying no when it's trying to give us opportunities when it's giving us moments to learn things or we can say okay yes this is here right now this is I think that big

[00:16:36] the the number one reframe that I work with my clients on if they don't come into working with me having it is like shifting out of this is happening to me to this is happening for me because

[00:16:47] once you make that shift it's like then you open up yourself to learning and curiosity and that wonderment and that childlike sense of like what's what do I get to learn from this versus the that

[00:17:00] victim side of this keeps happening to me yeah especially when we think about it in terms of we're waiting for something to jump out of bushes or something rather than looking looking at it as

[00:17:16] an adventure that's the thing that's going to be amazing and this is until we until we cultureize children they have a vivid imagination and they're open to everything they're seeing everybody and they're embracing everything as of equal value and we get away from that and

[00:17:33] as a result we spend most of our time if it's something we like we move towards it if it's something we don't like we have a version and we'll wait for it avoid it and if it's neither

[00:17:44] pleasant or unpleasant and we're not in the new you know we're not in equanimity we space out because there's no interest there and the mind is dull so of course it has nothing to do but waste

[00:17:57] time or just kind of get lost because there's nothing that's why goal setting or having a clarity of mind or having an intention is really important and sometimes the intention is just

[00:18:09] to see what comes out just to open up to any all the possibilities and so that was the thing that that Kobe learned when you think about what he was going into it with with the linear mind saying

[00:18:22] okay i want to score 32 points a game so there's four quarters so each quarter i have to score eight points and so you're actually limiting what you could possibly get right versus not having

[00:18:37] an agenda and scoring 16 in the first quarter right that's what happened score 16 points in the first quarter without trying to score so which one do you want you wanted to try and score or not trying

[00:18:48] to score but you have the intention so people say you're not trying to score that doesn't mean that you're not doing what you need to do is you're not trying to do the opposite of

[00:18:59] scoring or not to score but what it means is you're just open to the possibility of the present moment well and that by not having an agenda you're open to all the other opportunities

[00:19:12] and so you find that there's an abundance there and it's contrary to what we think but it's really about and i talk about this in my new book when i was a freshman in college the book uh a song

[00:19:25] that the funk of deluxe of parlor parlor meds of funk of deluxe made in the title the song was free your mind and your ass will follow so it's just like you know you you have to realize that

[00:19:37] we imprison ourselves that's the bad news the good news is because we're our own prisoner uh you know jailer we can let ourselves out but the challenge is like we're watching this movie

[00:19:48] and me old zola and it was about the dry fist affair and this guy was wrongly uh cues and he was in doubles island and when they opened the the cell for him to get out

[00:19:59] he couldn't go out he'd go out and come back in where he was he just didn't want he couldn't go out and that's that's how we are with ourselves because the dizziness of freedom or just this idea of

[00:20:10] what the kirk you got called because we don't talk about one side of the point is potential like this this quarter that is potential potential tells us anxiety uncertainty they come together

[00:20:25] so we have to be able to say uh yes to it and do what we need to do anyway so we don't really talk about that part of and it's where kirk got so in kirk got uh i don't know what his title was

[00:20:39] but he's a very good psychologist he called it the alarming possibility of being able that's where he called it and so you got to say yes because when i learned this studying neuro neuro linguistic programming or nlp is that when you set a goal there's the benefits

[00:20:58] but there's also a downside to achieving a goal and and you so you got to once again we're talking about awareness as inclusion as embracing everything not just looking at what's good or bad or

[00:21:10] neither but just looking at being inclusive having that wide view of just the ideas to take in everything so you can see the connections is that may set one thousand percent yeah there's

[00:21:25] there's so much more to that that theme of possibility that we get to choose from when we are not limiting ourselves to just the eight points a quarter and i i really love what you

[00:21:39] said about we are own prisoners we're in a jail of our own making in our minds so often and you speak to it really beautifully in the book um how when i think it was when phil approached you

[00:21:53] to come work with him in the bulls that you were working in jails and to really like y'all please get this book the shameless plug for george's book right now like please get and read this book

[00:22:04] because the way he applies so many of these concepts in so many different settings it's just it's truly remarkable and it was giving me a lot of victor fronkel vibes when we think about

[00:22:18] man's search for meaning in someone who under the most horrific conditions which being in jail not a great condition however can still find a piece of find and recognize that our choice is always ours

[00:22:31] to take and anytime we think that it's not it really is part of our own conditioning and or society's conditioning that's been placed upon us however we're the ones that have to get ourselves

[00:22:42] free from that yes no one's going to come unlock the door to think like you actually do have enough power within to change your mind about this subject or to open yourself up to saying yes

[00:22:54] and to looking at this from a new point of view like that is all that is all on us to figure out how to do and how to open ourselves up to yeah because we're always deciding even when

[00:23:05] we don't decide we're making a decision exactly so he talks about one of the things that he talked about is this idea of in between the space between stillness and response we have the freedom and

[00:23:16] power to choose so he talks about meaning and he talks about three ways of finding meaning so it's not inherent meaning in the universe we give everything all the meaning it has that's one

[00:23:29] of the course of miracles teachings is you start to see I give everything all the meaning it has so something happens and then we interpret what it means then depending on whether we're in fear or

[00:23:41] love that's going to determine how we see things so if you don't like what you're getting just change how you're looking at it so it's this idea of taking unavoidable suffering and choosing

[00:23:53] your response to it where you say yes a life where you embrace your dignity your your love your compassion and sometimes you do it because you know it's for the greatest good just for me being able to say

[00:24:07] I'm gonna go and meet my maker under my own on my own terms and now I have an experience of this when I was in recovery early on and it's interesting I have a huge family but I have

[00:24:21] great relationship with my relatives especially my uncles and aunts but there's one uncle he lived out of town and his wife had died the year before so I hadn't seen him in years and he moved back to

[00:24:32] Boston to get his chemo because he had chemo you know he had cancer in his in his face and I remember he used to say man I come you're not coming by because you know

[00:24:46] they him and his sides to be over there they'd be smoking weed or whatever because you know that's how we dealt with the nausea but he was alcoholic before that so he would drink a lot or not be calling

[00:24:57] him like I like but he used to imbibe and put it that way and so when I told him I said well uncle I don't go to I'm not available because I go to these meetings you know I have a problem with

[00:25:08] alcohol and drugs and whatnot and so I'm in was you know I'm abstaining and I wanted these meetings to help for me and so when he when he was when it was time for him to die he decided not

[00:25:19] to take any pain meds because he wanted to meet his make your with pure consciousness with an oak you know without being having anything between him and his experience of observing it and I never

[00:25:30] talked to him I never talked to him in a sense like you should do this you know drinking as bad I never did that I just was just being you know sharing my experience threatening oak

[00:25:40] and just being me and he got that and I can't tell you how many other people stop drinking because they say well George stop and look what he's hit I'll put stop and they don't have a problem

[00:25:49] per se but they saw the quality and the change and so that's the other thing is you know we become you know we become the message and so it's about embodying what we believe you know

[00:26:02] we can do that for a day as you would say we can do it for 24 hours so that's why Mike Francis you have no idea that when you find your voice when you when you embrace things like

[00:26:15] when you find meaning from your attitude you have towards unavoidable suffering or you find meaning in creating a worker or doing the deed you know just just being helpful you talked about something in the beginning about the greatest commandment the second part to love

[00:26:32] your neighbor as yourself now I would say that's the problem because we don't love ourselves how we're gonna love our neighbors exactly or and we've been told that it selfish to love yourself

[00:26:43] first you're supposed to love the other person but if you use that belief system on a if on a you know when you fly and you have a little one and you have somebody who needs your care and

[00:26:54] attention if you put the mask on them first you won't be there to take care of them you got to put the mask on you first that's the metaphor so you got to love yourself first

[00:27:04] you got to be selfish to be selfless absolutely if that makes sense and this is what I talk about no struggle no swag so if you're struggling throw the swag opportunity that's what it is you get

[00:27:18] the swag because you earn it you've got this wacky act because you you walk through you you doubt with it said yes to it and learn from it that's where the swag comes from the swag

[00:27:28] you got to earn it and you don't get that just by showing up you get that by being able to overcome adversity to embrace your your difficulty because that's where your life is that's where your

[00:27:42] ability to express your latent abilities will express itself in the heat of about in the heat of that tension of the the unpleasantness or the discomfort yeah you cannot fake swag and like you can tell when it's fake swag yes that energy is very distinct it's like

[00:28:02] because it's like try trying too hard is that trying too hard energy yeah or not trying hard enough because it came about the story about I was working with this a woman's I mean volleyball team

[00:28:16] and my friend's team when I was in California and they kept saying wow we want to soft the easier way and so for me I was talking but then once again things come out that you know I just

[00:28:28] you know the spirit's flowing through me to love the spirit and I said you know something no struggle no swag I got swag I earned it and they loved it so much so instead of them saying we don't work

[00:28:41] they were full of energy they loved it they put it up in their locker room no struggle no swag because they hit them they got it yeah something that said yes yes this is an opportunity this is not

[00:28:52] something to be avoided this is something to embrace well and they and they got it but I embodied that and I talked to my say yeah I got swag but I earned that but I wasn't trying to get swag

[00:29:03] I was just a five product of showing up for your life and taking responsibility that's all it is there are so many things again in your books and I'm like yes yes the the underlying I actually

[00:29:17] I met Kenji on the summit boat in May and we were talking about you and he's like have you read the new book yet it was like a week after it had come out and this man had his copy

[00:29:28] completely dog-eared like the cover for and like he took it everywhere and I was like all right like I'm on it like as soon as I get back I'm reading it and so that's a bit how I feel

[00:29:38] like all right we've got 30 more minutes where do we go next I think one of the things that I really like to teach upon and help people understand is that our metacognition our ability to think

[00:29:50] about our thoughts is one of the most important skills that we can start to really hone for ourselves and meditation is the fastest way to see what's going on inside your head and start

[00:30:02] to recognize when the thoughts that are running game on you like you can run game back on them and so I teach people how to play thought defense and I really look at gratitude as a zone defense

[00:30:15] like if you're practicing gratitude on a regular basis it's like you've got everything covered there's not going to be a whole a whole lot of holes it's going to give you a really solid foundation for

[00:30:26] setting the tone in your mindset and the energy in your body towards a different vibration let me jump in here real quick to let you all know I have a lot to tell you about very soon I am

[00:30:37] bursting at the seams and also still pulling together the final pieces for a retreat a book a brand new way to be in community and work together November will be a month to remember friends so

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[00:31:32] get you some now let's get back to this kickass episode and then I talk about affirmation specifically what I call anti thoughts I work with people to identify a limiting or expired belief that's hidden somewhere down their subconscious that keeps tripping them up right and then we

[00:31:49] do some visualization to go resolve some of the emotion around it and then we create this very bespoke anti-thought right it's like a custom affirmation that I give them to use to run their

[00:32:01] man-to-man defense on because it's like okay when this thought pops up you need to be like I am worthy incapable I am worthy incapable and tell it to like kick rocks because there is

[00:32:13] in a sense on our personal growth and spiritual paths a muscle that we have to learn to flex when to tell your mind to shut up and it's like that's actually not the path we're going down anymore

[00:32:27] like I get that that's why we were here I get that that thought or that emotion kept me safe at a different point in my life however we have to learn how to like almost gaslight ourselves

[00:32:38] sometimes in some situations and be like I hear you I see you now sit down because we are worthy incapable and we are going this way today not that way and so I'm curious to know a how this all

[00:32:52] lands with you and b what sort of affirmations or specific mantras may have been really supportive for you in your journey yes so two thoughts that I had early on in recovery that helped me a lot

[00:33:08] was number one god doesn't give me or the universe doesn't give me anything that I can't handle in the second part was I'm right what I'm supposed to be so those two things but to me it's really

[00:33:22] cultivating like you talked about cultivating things like love and kindness or love like for me it's interesting one of the it's a very simple teaching that that I got from Edgar Casey the sleeping prophet now I don't know if you've heard of Edgar Casey but this is

[00:33:38] this man that would go into trance and and he had a person that would just record things and ask questions and he could do a give him a name he could tell you the person where they live

[00:33:53] what ailment they had and how to heal it so he there's this idea that we have what they call the caution records or this is the database or consciousness or everything that ever was or will

[00:34:05] be is in in this database or in this you know at this in this node and he would access that and that's how he was able to to predict and so he was coming out with yours talking about his his

[00:34:18] thing for health was the acronym care c a r e circulation assimilation relaxation elimination things like that the mind bar the whole thing in my body he was making predictions about the ascend the scenes where they had the Dead Sea Scrolls where scholars thought that there was only

[00:34:38] men and he said no there were women and children there and years later they dug it up and they found skeletons of men were so he just know there's a know he's tapping into this what I call

[00:34:49] this knowing that goes beyond human research we just know stuff and we have access to that but anyway one of the things he talked about was the most important thing you could do is

[00:34:59] establish a spiritual ideal and so for me my spiritual ideal is love and so he said that you do what we call it is called attunement and application so what does that mean that means

[00:35:13] that you're tuning yourself to love so you talk about affirmation you can use love you can use images whatever but the idea is to have the felt sensation of love or openness

[00:35:24] of woman fuzzy whatever it is and then that that becomes your you channel that you let it flow through your body and as you're doing this meditation and meditating on love and just feeling love

[00:35:36] seeing the feeling it engaging the senses and if somebody comes up said you know you're not really feeling that you might be hating on whatever you just notice that and then you

[00:35:46] send them blessings or you just tolerate them right good things to come up but what you do is is to put you in attunement with love to put you on the love vibration and then that's the

[00:35:57] entombment attunement part and then the application part is to be loving so now I have a standard from which I operate and not only as a as a energy I want to express through my being but it's

[00:36:12] also a standard was I loving was I not loving enough and so you can see that because we do need to have standards or have things images of how we want to be and how we evaluate was that helpful

[00:36:26] was that not helpful and that was loving or that wasn't so loving or whatever so you can just see that simple teaching but it raises your vibration your consciousness to a level where it allows

[00:36:38] you to see things and to feel more connected to yourself especially parts of ourselves as you talked about we have these sub personalities that are inside that when we get into our role as you

[00:36:50] know like a daughter or sister or maybe playing a certain sport or doing a certain task and that those sub personalities when you're in that energy of the one the other ones don't exist

[00:37:02] and so one of the things we want to do is be able to be constantly who we are no matter what role we're in and so we want to have that consciousness and so the idea is is how do you

[00:37:13] stay in love because love helps you open your mind and and hard and it just it's just a great energy you know all you need is love and when you love something you make it grow and whatever

[00:37:26] Trone talked about so love is really important so that's what I do is you can even be your high power you can see God this love or whatever but just vibrating to the love I talk

[00:37:36] about it in the book about the wolves I'm feeding the love wolf so that the love wolf is going to show up even when I'm not even paying attention the love wolf is going to be there because I program

[00:37:45] myself and that's my spiritual ideal that's my spiritual foundation and that is the standard in which I operate when I through my words thoughts and deeds that that's going to be standard was that loving was that not loving was that helpful was it not helpful and that's

[00:38:01] what it is not to be judging but to just have a standard from which we want to live by so going back to loving our neighbors as ourselves we get to start seeing people I see people as a masterpiece

[00:38:15] so with that energy I could be loving and sometimes it's just saying good morning well people that don't talk to us is just smiling or just not hating on them or saying

[00:38:25] they should be able to say hi just embrace them as they are just let them be just send them love vibration that's you know the loving kindness thing so there's a lot we could do but the love

[00:38:36] on neighbors as ourselves we got to get into this idea that everything begins with me it's an inside job is when I can be loving when I can let love flow through me and then be loving to others

[00:38:48] if I want love I have to be love absolutely love is oh it really is all we need and yeah going back to that idea of our the world by design is doing a lot to keep us from that true

[00:39:04] vibrational access of love I actually got an instagram ad the other day for a little love tuner have you seen those no I haven't seen them it's like a little breathing device like I'm

[00:39:16] once they get the color that I like it back in stock I'm gonna check it out but it it's a breed it's like a necklace that you can wear around your neck obviously and then it's a

[00:39:26] little breathing device that when you blow into it it vibrates in gives the tone of 528 hertz which is the vibration of love tones yeah the tones yes friend that's what he does he uses tones yeah

[00:39:42] makes sense the importance of sound as we move forward in humanity as medicine like cannot be understated I think that it is just one of the fastest ways especially as

[00:39:55] you know we look at so much happens in the mind right there's so much that needs to be done to tame the mind to work with the mind not let it run its game on you and there's so much

[00:40:07] that we're learning specifically I would say in the last like 10 15 years around trauma in our bodies and somatic practices that help us clear out the stuck energy and emotion that you simply

[00:40:18] can't think your way around it you can't there's no way that you're going to be able to just think enough positive thoughts to get rid of some of the shit that our bodies hold on to not to mention

[00:40:27] the field of epigenetics and what we're now realizing is being passed down and so I'm curious what does that look like for you nowadays as you start to think about so much of how mind body spirit triune has always been a part of

[00:40:44] so many different types of teachings what does that look like in your practice I'm kinesthetic so I feel things and movement let's go activity I talk about the whole person so I have four dimensions at least for the body the mind the heart and the soul of spirit

[00:41:05] so those have to be exercised well I first got in recovery we talked about body does the physical the mental and the spiritual I added the emotional because that's the heart and that's although you can see the heart being and everything else especially with the

[00:41:21] mental and the spiritual but it's exercising these things and realizing that we're energy E equals MC squared and so the kind of energy and energy doesn't die it just transforms

[00:41:35] and so energy has a lot to do with it I know for my recovery that one of the things that was adamant as a practice was to improve conscious contact with the higher power

[00:41:48] and if you think about it that way and dr. David Hawkins talks about tractor fields and uses kinesiology to schedule you know your body goes strong when it's when it's for life versus

[00:42:01] the opposite love doctor you got it so what I think about that I think about it you have to be aware that you have a body you have a mind you have a heart you have a spirit or and the

[00:42:12] traditions of four foundation of mindfulness we talk about mindfulness of the body it's grounding thing mindfulness of feelings pleasant unpleasant neutral and seeing that the nervous system is processes things if it's pleasant it approaches if it's unpleasant

[00:42:31] it avoids and if it's neither space is out so we start to see you know you see that we feel about certain things if it's pleasant we can see we want more of it if it's unpleasant

[00:42:41] we don't want it and then we think about the you know this idea of the consciousness of identification cognition what is it and then that what we call then the thinking about it or

[00:42:56] even call it a word that proliferates pappancha you get one thought then it goes another or whatever and at some point you talked about a little bit it's part of right effort it's like

[00:43:06] when you have an unwholesome thought like fear or doubt insecurity there's ways you can look at it one way you can deal with it is just but the first step is the awareness of it without being identified

[00:43:19] with it so there's anger in me and did not talk about breathing in I feel the anger of breathing out and let it go so there's anger there and then what's the opposite of anger

[00:43:29] you can focus on that like you talk about the thought you know change in being actively changing the hateful thought to a loving thought or you know fear to having confidence or having

[00:43:43] having being grounded having a refuge so is the opposite of it but a lot of times the practice has to do with this idea of noticing it and then noticing it and and noticing that when fear is

[00:44:01] in mind we know where it's what it's going to do so we notice it and then we direct our attention to something else let it go and and you know we do it out so we can go budget things but as we progress

[00:44:14] and as we get more mindfulness and consciousness and ability to observe things uncritically or being a hurricane and just act eponymally then we start to see okay so now

[00:44:25] it's a time that when anger is in me I don't I don't leave it I actually make that the object of awareness especially if it's overwhelming us just noticing how it feels in my body just noticing

[00:44:39] how it affects my ability to think noticing you can see how we get into this now energy and the energy is kind of tight and whatnot and you can get comfortable with that if you can

[00:44:50] get to a place where you can observe things and realize the anger in the consciousness of the anger two separate things so the awareness of it it's like mirror mind it just reflect in it

[00:45:01] you just know it's always just a reflection in the mirror that's not who you are that's what you're experiencing but can you see it and but you need to get intimate with with these emotions

[00:45:10] whether it's anger or love so that you know when it's when it's present and how it's affecting your ability we call the hindrance because it affects our ability to see clearly or to be in a moment

[00:45:22] yeah so you start that but that's when you embrace and you start realizing that all experiences are of equal value that's equanimity it's like you're just embracing you're not moving towards away from it you're just holding your center and you're just noticing it's like oh that's

[00:45:37] interesting when I look at it this way then it pisses me off and I get lucid medicine okay but can you step back and just notice that and how it's affecting how you attach the things

[00:45:46] so that's when the practice evolves where you start realizing it really comes down to just being in the moment seeing things as they are and not not trying to push them away pulling towards us or to

[00:46:00] even interpret what they mean because if we be still and know and just watch it it'll be clear how it arises how it passes away and what are the conditions in which it arises and when you

[00:46:13] understand that then you can change the conditions then so if you're in you're in um so I'll give you an example years ago I was doing this I was working at this corporation and they had a health

[00:46:26] fair and I had my body fat measured and those days I was a lot less I would just run all the time before I couldn't run so I used to do a lot of running and it says something like I had something

[00:46:39] like I don't know what the exact number is but say 11.2 body fat or something like that so my negative committee was saying dude man if you have more than three two percent you know you know three or four

[00:46:52] percent whatever it was then you're a fat swab and you know you know you're not okay you know something wrong with you and so I could see once the 11.2 popped up and I could see the negative

[00:47:05] committee going and I just said time out I'm not trying to hear and I'd set it aside and they would move on your bench get over there and I remember early on I was talking to a friend of mine

[00:47:18] and he said oh yeah because and it said even though it said because I had more muscle that I could because it said I was overweight you know I should only be I'd be dead but I

[00:47:27] would think I'd pay I weighed like 179 or something like that and it said I should be one six whatever it was it was like 12 pounds less but I said because of my muscle or the or my muscle

[00:47:37] mass which means less fat that uh that I could carry that weight but I couldn't see that because I had the negative committee telling me you're not enough or you're not what you're supposed to

[00:47:47] be you're you're not perfect and I just was able to silence it but just by just giving it space just noticing it and then directing my attention to something else and then when my

[00:47:59] friend told me I laugh he said oh 11.2 you know average is like 13.2 whatever the average was I may not be accurate but it was below average and then I started laughing I said man I avoided a

[00:48:10] lot of angst by just noticing where that was going to say I'm not going there no I know where this is leading and that's the wisdom that you can develop is noticing I had this

[00:48:22] conversation that we used to call it the voice you got to answer the voice and say I'm not trying to hear that but I hear you but I'm not giving you any energy so guess what I'm going to delegate you

[00:48:33] to the back just like when you're in a restaurant you have the background music you're in the background just put you there and then you on like a you're gonna play yourself out or

[00:48:43] because I'm not focused on you you know all is this you're this but I'm not giving you any energy so that's what we can do we're like I said we have this greatness we have this

[00:48:52] ability to step back and like you said the sea things we can see our thoughts feelings behaviors our we're feeling how the body's feeling we have this ability to observe it with mere

[00:49:02] mind where we just notice it and we don't have to do anything but by the seeing of it by allowing the space for it it'll come and go just like clouds it will rise and pass away

[00:49:12] it may have its own time but we're not identified with it we're just aware we're just witnessing so we're like a silent witness can watch it and just up this the consciousness of it just

[00:49:24] that's what it is and that's natural but it's so easy as a natural we don't practice it because we think it can't be that simple it can't be you can just like yogi said you can see a lot

[00:49:34] just by observing this this but you gotta look it's an inside job you gotta look and think about how you're feeling whatever like even now if you think about it just by thinking about your

[00:49:47] body and the inside out and your sitting and what the body feels like in a seated posture that's a felt sense and at the same time you're breathing in and breathing out and that's that's available 24-7

[00:50:00] we can just but it's not out here it's this the felt sense of sitting or standing walking whatever the body is in we can we can anchor ourselves in a moment in the in the day by

[00:50:12] just noticing where our feet are where our body is and this is we can just be aware of sitting and breathing and knowing it and that way we can observe thoughts feeling behaviors or even just feeling

[00:50:24] like i'm not motivated to do anything i'm in this kind of neutral zone or just like ah i'm just i'm just kind of spazzing out your mercury's and rectum retrograde whatever you can just notice

[00:50:39] that yeah just be with it instead of yeah but that's too simple how does anything simple i mean it's so fascinating how all the answers are literally within us and yet we have again the conditions of this world convincing us otherwise and that got us distracted and

[00:51:03] plugged into everything and everywhere else and looking for answers in google or our best friends or on social media and it's like you just got to get quiet you've got to make some time and space

[00:51:15] to start learning how to listen to what's happening within your own vessel and how to discern not judge but discern the different voices and thoughts and narratives that are happening and understand which ones are really still serving you very well and which ones are

[00:51:35] time to relegate to the back and tell them to thank you very much please sit down and start to co-create our external experiences internally and it's it's a beautiful thing and you just

[00:51:49] y'all again get the book get the book because he walks you through on what that really looks like on how to stay in that conscious connection and how to really unlock and identify that greatness so

[00:52:01] you can step into the flow and you know one of one of my purposes in life is to help people find and get to their one day right like what is your one-day dream because i believe that we look if

[00:52:13] if everybody started showing up in their one-day energy and start going after that thing that they really wanted to do one day and started you know ignoring the the constraints or the excuses

[00:52:24] or the whatever like we'd live in a very very different world and i think about your book in that same way it's like man what would a world with like not even a hundred percent of

[00:52:36] people unlocked because i don't like is that possible i'm not sure yeah if the possibility exists the probability might be a little lower but it all depends on on the people we're talking

[00:52:51] about in the world and and and but i think the more we talk about it the more we embody it i think that is what they call morphogenic field or fields it's like like the hundred monkey you have somebody

[00:53:05] do something and then the potential for somebody else doing it is increased tremendously you know like the four-minute mile once he broke a minute mile right right um thing was this is sir allen

[00:53:16] banister i think his name or something like that yep he didn't everybody started doing it but he created the possibility so once the possibilities in your mind then anything is possible i know my

[00:53:28] own experience of when i was working with boson colors women's basketball and we planned in the biggest tournament before they went to the ACC and the thinking was that any team that didn't get a buy

[00:53:41] had very little chance of winning the whole champ in the whole tournament because you have to play four days in a row so from my understanding so no one had done that but we were the first team

[00:53:54] that i know of a female team a women's team and the asian the the biggies that they wanted championship playing four days in a row and it was even it's even more fascinating to that

[00:54:06] because our starting senator acl before we started the tournament they're practically before and we still i believe we went to the sweet 16 that year we had a little east center and and we just

[00:54:19] you know we beat uconn at gamble at their home for it the the win the biggies tournament so and you see it so you see it all the time you know i was with you know i worked with the with the

[00:54:31] boson we won 72 games and when you're before you know when we won a championship um and on top of that but you can see these little things you can see um that you know you think about fuel

[00:54:46] jackson's teams he's got 11 as of course he's got 11 championships but had he had had the south x not turned the game around i think it was in game five or six i was i think it was two to two

[00:55:02] and you were in la and you were down they came back and won that game so he was like very close to having four three peaks tense you know it's a win games and you know championships and multiples

[00:55:15] but it comes down to that you know comes down to the moment anything's possible but that's that's i mean we can we can access it we can find that flow you can discover success

[00:55:27] but it's an inside job sometimes we talk about the individual but it's also a collective you can be a collective flow you can be in team flow yeah and it's it's important if well i'm curious

[00:55:39] i would say you probably can't fully be fully in team or collective flow unless you're in in your individual flow first and foremost has i yeah so it's like if we are really trying to change

[00:55:52] some shit out here in the world right like how do we get everybody unlocked in their one day energy or at least enough of a percentage of humanity to start tipping things in a different direction yeah so well we gotta have i think i was listening to um

[00:56:15] our auto board the other day and the gentleman talked about and i don't know how true this is but he says we have nine negative thoughts out of every 10 thoughts we have yeah and so that's

[00:56:27] and i believe it was it um hit the world's name the psychologist uh just talked about the happiness thing so we we gotta at least get three positive thoughts to every one negative

[00:56:39] thought we can get it to that three one ratio that that's helpful they get that but to the degree that you gotta see them and then consciously as you talked about being willing to change them

[00:56:51] but if you're in a love vibration or you're feeling love wolf or you're focusing on what you want or if you're focusing on how you can serve or you're focusing on not trying to score

[00:57:01] just to just help your team win there's all of these as a byproduct is these things that happen they keep us in a certain way of of being and yeah and but but it's a vibration where we're

[00:57:15] energetic so what energy are you bringing and you bring in our energy that's cohesive and harmonious or you bring the energy that's divisive and disruptive and chaotic yeah that i'm i love all of the references and resources that you have in all of your books

[00:57:32] i'm very excited i've never read the intergame um and so i'm really looking forward to checking that one out i'm curious to know what books you're currently reading that you would recommend

[00:57:46] oh there's always a lot of books um i'm always uh like i just i was listening to podcasts well what i've been focusing on this summer because i've been focusing on Flo a lot

[00:58:02] this guy Steven Caughtler wrote a book one of his books that i've been meditating on for the last couple of months is The Art of the Impossible it's a really good one uh The Talon Code

[00:58:14] there's another one i was i was looking at i have to look at my um and then there's some some books like The Sound of Silence by Arjan Sumido so uh i read all kinds of books and then

[00:58:27] let me look at my library because sometimes i can't keep up with them because and then i read a lot of books multiple times like like the books i've mentioned i probably read those uh probably

[00:58:38] four times this summer that's so nice to go back and read books and see what you've been yeah yeah well that's when i gave myself permission yeah to keep reading it and then the circular

[00:58:47] learning you learn so much by looking at it so The Art of Learning is one of the ones that i just from some podcast uh let me see if i can get to um what it looks like uh let me see here

[00:59:04] yes it's called The Art of Learning an energy journey to optimal performance but you know The Sound of Silence i went back to an old book by Alan Watts the book and you know uh

[00:59:21] you know free-glot performance there's a lot in another book i got called Range i haven't really oh i've heard that one's really good that's been on my list yes yes of course i talked about

[00:59:33] Victor Frankley as a book this is Yes to Life in spite of everything um Louise Haye uh The Power is within you i love Louise yeah yeah she's i mean i didn't even know she had passed away but

[00:59:47] she's been you know and of course there's a book called um Trust and Inspire by Stephen Irwin Coey The Son uh work consider a friend um and there's a bunch of other books out there my friend uh

[01:00:03] J Abrams has a book coming out and i forget the name of it but he's got a new book coming out you know anything by J Abrams is gonna be fire yeah yeah he's got a new book coming out uh

[01:00:16] and then my friend Roland rolling Lazenby it comes out this i think next month he wrote a book about Magic Johnson he's written oh really Cobey uh MJ um Jerry West uh several books about the

[01:00:30] the bowls but his new book on on Magic Johnson because i've been in it with him because he calls me we talk about it and it's you know it's always a huge thing he gets into this

[01:00:41] that's to the history of the family and and all that stuff so he's written a bunch of books but that's a book coming out Michael Jordan book uh the Cobey book the MJ book the Jerry West book

[01:00:56] all right i've got i've got a very unrelated question yes so i moved from Wichita, Kansas to Oak Park Illinois on the west side of Chicago in the year 1998 and i'm curious

[01:01:10] which Jerry do i need to go does my 15 year old self need to go back and have a forgiveness visualization for breaking up the boys just as i arrived in town because there's a lot of

[01:01:21] conflicting reports out there so i'm curious if you're willing to weigh in on which Jerry was more the driving force behind that decision i think that it had more to do with avarice or green

[01:01:40] or taking yourself too seriously and thinking that it's about you and not about it because there was a very public public display of that when when uh Jerry Cross said that organizations

[01:01:56] won championships and not not teams individual and and you know if one could say it's a serious argument about that but it takes the whole village the winning team but this is what destroys teams

[01:02:11] the Dallas Cowboys they were roommates in college and they couldn't get that stuff straight and talk about the Beatles and that's a different thing they wanted to go artistically uh there's a lot of organizations that think they could do it without the person and they

[01:02:28] they get rid of them but they could have won two more championships easily easily and that creation but when you get to a point where you think it's about you

[01:02:39] so i would say there's a lot of blame to go around in terms of the jury because if you're owner you get you get the final call right but i think they don't want to go there because

[01:02:52] hindsight is 20 20 but the reality is i think they thought that as long as they have Michael they could rebuild but they don't understand how most people they get to the championship and have a team that can win multiple championships don't when they get the u-beast comes in and

[01:03:09] when they don't forget themselves and just let things happen and try to make things happen it creates a lot of a lot of stuff but they could have very easily but and i think people

[01:03:21] would have been willing to come back take less money to win again but then sometimes things change you know so it's hard to say because sometimes you can say it's this thing

[01:03:30] and that thing but all i know is all condition things have a nature to arise and and be right so we could say all of that but the reality is there's all of these other variables that are

[01:03:43] involved that allow people to say yes or to say no or for things to change so i don't play the blame game i think uh of course it's why phil called it the last dance it was time to go

[01:03:54] so i'll sit down with both jerry's and my visualization is what i'm hearing yeah well you if i would you i would pray for the one still alive the other one's gone and

[01:04:08] but yeah i would pray for them and and um but yeah i i could see that because i mean that had a huge impact on me because uh you know i was there and we could have won two more championships

[01:04:20] whoa uh and when you think about it so phil leaves there takes a year off then he goes to la and went three so from 1996 to 2002 and that seven-year period uh the one year in between

[01:04:39] the two franchises phil didn't work but in that six years we won and that seven years uh his teams won seven out of uh seven six championships in seven years that's gotta be the best record of all

[01:04:56] time and and the funny about it you're talking about keep it in the day i didn't realize that two years later when i was sitting down and writing my my experience and i said wait a minute

[01:05:08] i was actually involved in six NBA championships in the seven-year period wow all because all because you showed up and said yes and just let it flow well i think the universe

[01:05:23] colluded with i think this is what happened but phil obviously phil was a big part of it i mean he was his he was a leader he's the one that created the environment but once again even with that

[01:05:35] you get the oldest and get people in and they disrupted and and that's what that's what happens and if you're you know if you think about popovitz being there as long as he has

[01:05:47] if you've heard don't what he had to do you got to look at the ownership you got to look at the leadership you got to look at the environment and people being willing to let people do what

[01:05:56] they do without having to go in and impose their will on it just saying well and you got something like that then you got people in place you just gotta you just gotta forget yourself to find yourself

[01:06:13] that's just my opinion but i haven't been in it and be it's like i think and then in LA then winning two more almost one in three but there's a couple championships like the 2004 against pistons

[01:06:25] i mean if carmel lone and orace grant don't get hurt we probably win that church and everything worked out exactly like it was supposed to that's what i'm talking about yep that's what i'm saying

[01:06:38] well george if people want to stay in touch with you what's the best place to do yes thank you so george at georgemonford.com is the one the website have a youtube channel uh did i

[01:06:51] post you every week and if they want to get in touch with me if you go to website they can get all that they can get all the information or they can email connect at georgemonford.com

[01:07:03] beautiful and they can get stuff like that but yeah it's and the books you know the books you can get the books or whatever you might be able to get them from the website i don't keep up with

[01:07:17] my own website that's a dream sir but yeah but the main thing is yeah main thing is you know i've been around i'm an old gene not an old gang so i've been around so if you google you'll

[01:07:28] find all kind of stuff but we have programs we gotta we gotta um actually this sunday i'll just mention it we're having a town hall for parrots and and teachers and administrators because we have a

[01:07:41] youth course that we offer what we're working on so we have that and then we have a the micro athletes athlete online course it's offered uh i think we in october we have the fall six-week study group

[01:07:56] beginning and it's a lifetime access once you join in all words so this will be our seventh or eighth uh and we have always have a we always have a theme this theme is i have the hurricane

[01:08:09] coming up yes i love that equanimity is one of my all-time favorite words it was one of my intentions and it was my intention for the year 2021 was magnetic equanimity yes i like that

[01:08:22] okay so my last question for you uh is every every guest i could bring on to the show i love to hear i have a gratitude practice every night that i do and so i want to hear one oddly

[01:08:32] specific thing that you are most grateful for in the last 24 hours i am grateful for the ability to be myself boo i'm grateful for the the willingness and the ability to to be still

[01:08:54] and know and to just allow myself like i talked about to just be with myself and listen to that wisdom within to get to that eye of the hurricane that's it i mean that's when i think about it that's what

[01:09:08] it is it's like the having an experience of being fully alive and fully expressed so beautiful and you doing that gives others permission and shines light for them to be able to do the same so thank you yes yeah just just grateful for the masterpiece within you know

[01:09:26] yes thank you thank you thank you george i'm so grateful for your time and energy and wisdom and yeah so thank you for having me on here my pleasure we'll look forward to doing it again when

[01:09:40] there's another book or something else you want to come on and talk about well you don't have to wait for a book you just when you feel like you want to have a conversation with george

[01:09:48] just reach out that's all all right all right don't tempt me i'll do it again i wouldn't offer it if i didn't invite it well thank you so much george look forward to having you back

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