Diving Deep Into The Practices of Life w/ Yoga Therapist Evan Soroka

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[00:00:37] let's get to it. Welcome back to the Make One Day Happen Podcast, y'all. I'm your host,

[00:00:46] Shenna Jean and today we are diving into some of my most favorite topics to practice and teach

[00:00:51] about with one of my all-time favorite teachers, Evan Soroka. Evan has been a beacon of resilience

[00:00:57] for two decades, actively using her understanding of yoga's complete practice to empower others

[00:01:01] on similar journeys. She is a certified yoga therapist based in the heart of Colorado and she

[00:01:06] seamlessly blends agent healing practices with therapeutic applications to aid countless

[00:01:11] people in reclaiming their well-being. Her foundation is in anthropology and language. It's

[00:01:16] paired with her continued lifelong learning of the ancient wisdom tradition of yoga. And when

[00:01:21] I think about the depths that this woman has gone to in her education as a yoga teacher, like

[00:01:26] she's could be considered a yoga master y'all. She has studied with some of the most incredible

[00:01:32] teachers and she's far beyond just your traditional 200-hour yoga teacher training at a local yoga

[00:01:37] studio. And Evan has had a beautiful journey with T1 Diabetes. She's an advocate, has incredible

[00:01:43] resources, trainings. She's written a book about diabetes in yoga therapy. And we go way back.

[00:01:50] Evan and I met in Aspen, Colorado. We became fast friends as fellow restaurant wives at the

[00:01:55] Nobu and Aspen when her husband ran the kitchen. My ex-husband managed the dining room and we got

[00:02:00] spoiled with some of the best sushi in all of the land. And we would sit at the sushi bar

[00:02:06] philosophizing on all things life yoga practices. You name it, we would have evolved to say the least.

[00:02:13] And she's also been one of my favorite yoga teachers. She's put me onto some of the most

[00:02:18] important nuances of what I teach now. And I am forever grateful for the knowledge and the teacher

[00:02:23] and the friend that she's been in my life. So I am so excited y'all to introduce you to

[00:02:28] the one, the only Evan Siroka. Hi! Hi, Shina-jeein. Hi, Evan. It's so good to see your face

[00:02:39] and I'm just stoked for this conversation and to be able to impart some really powerful

[00:02:45] perspectives and practices into people's ear drums as they're listening to us. Maybe they're

[00:02:50] watching us on YouTube because we do that now. And I'd love for you to share a little bit about

[00:02:56] who you be, how you got here and if you know your human design let's definitely throw that into

[00:03:02] the mix as well. So I'm gonna let you spit on you for a few minutes. I'm a generator, I think.

[00:03:10] I think I'm a generator super-sacral. I love to just produce produce produce, to almost like

[00:03:20] a full, I could just like produce all day. Yeah, so that's my design. I love it. No generator

[00:03:27] friend. Thank you. I'm so many things. I was really like reflecting on this. It's like so

[00:03:34] challenging to distill it down to one thing and I think that's like just a product of where we are

[00:03:41] these days. We need a niche out and we need to have like one singular message but how can we when

[00:03:47] there are so many things that we are at? I feel you. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. I love to go

[00:04:02] deep and explore whether that's my my adventuring, my practice, my life. I love to like figure it out

[00:04:13] and I love the journey of figuring it out along the way. Right? That's what I'm doing. I think of

[00:04:19] myself as like a seeker really but in the yoga world, I am a person who likes to really share

[00:04:30] the practices in an authentic way. I think I love to uphold some level of tradition and find a way

[00:04:42] to impart that wisdom onto people. Yeah, I really believe that yoga is meditation.

[00:04:52] And I want people to understand that yoga is meditation. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:01] So yeah, I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when I was 13. I was on a backpacking trip when

[00:05:09] when it happened and I remember like it was like the first time this is pre-cell phone, right?

[00:05:18] But I remember it was like the first time I really was quiet. Really quiet and introspective because

[00:05:25] growing up in Aspen they do we're so privileged to have these outer education programs and in eighth grade

[00:05:33] they set you up on this like four pass we did. I think the four pass loop for anyone listening. It's

[00:05:38] like you go over four different mountain pass ranges and at the end the culmination of the trip

[00:05:45] they give you a candy bar, an analogy in water bottle and a tarp. I think parents today would be

[00:05:52] like what the heck? And then you're like supposed to like be by yourself for 24 hours,

[00:05:58] making this like you know make shift structure to survive in at a very high altitude and I remember

[00:06:06] I set up my tarp along this like little mountain creek and I was so quiet that I could feel for

[00:06:17] the first time. Like I had to have this awareness something was going on my body for a long time.

[00:06:24] I was very thirsty. I was like waking up in middle of the night with like these crazy cramps

[00:06:29] and my legs. I thought it was just like you know hormonal changes, puberty, and I was like there is

[00:06:37] something wrong because I went through that analogy in a water within like 20 minutes and then

[00:06:43] I had to remain for the rest of the 24 hours without water and I just remember hearing that water

[00:06:48] from the creek and being like oh my god I think I'm dying you know something is really wrong and

[00:06:55] then as soon as I got back from that trip we went to the doctor and I was diagnosed but so that's

[00:07:00] kind of a little bit of my diagnosis story um but I remember like hearing that voice really hearing

[00:07:07] it in that quiet dude in nature for the first time. And that really set the path for me to

[00:07:15] to continue this journey in words diabetes for those of you that don't know type one diabetes is

[00:07:20] an autoimmune condition and it's a lot of work. It's very cyclical you're constantly like

[00:07:28] trying to balance your blood sugars and there are so many variables that can throw you off balance

[00:07:35] and that balance of your blood sugars affects you physically, emotionally affects your energy

[00:07:41] it affects how you feel how you interact with the world and it requires an amount,

[00:07:47] immense amount of discipline so a few years into my diagnosis I went to a yoga class for the first

[00:07:54] time and it was like it was like a homecoming. It was like a little cliche but it was like I felt

[00:08:02] I was at home again in my body and I was safe and after that it was like that was my guiding light

[00:08:11] you know how we like all are kind of searching following those breadcrumbs following like what

[00:08:16] is that feeling that makes me feel connected and purposeful it would for me it was that returning to

[00:08:24] that feeling of wholeness and it was through these somatic practices that continued to help me

[00:08:35] in my life so I could do everything that I wanted to do that I could really live it to the fullest

[00:08:41] and that really led me into the path of being a guide and I guess I want to call it a scholar but

[00:08:50] because I'm not like an academic but I'm definitely a researcher and I think there's different

[00:08:57] different versions of scholars in life for sure yeah I resonate with that because no am I in

[00:09:04] academia nope not even close do I read a shit ton of books and absorb an outrageous amount of

[00:09:10] knowledge and connect dots and apply it to myself to share it with others yeah so I think

[00:09:15] it's important for us non-academia types to step into that that scholarly title I'll join you there

[00:09:23] and you have a book so you're a scholar yeah I am a published author I am a scholar yeah yeah

[00:09:33] well there's so many different places that we could really start this conversation and

[00:09:42] I think let me listen here do you have an inkling of where you would like to start whether it's breath

[00:09:49] subtle body or meditation let's start with yoga is meditation okay great yeah I was going to ask

[00:09:56] in that moment like can you go deeper on that please so let's take now the time to say yoga is

[00:10:02] meditation and tell us more why please yoga is meditation the ultimate goal of yoga is to

[00:10:13] quiet the mind or to empty it in some level a lot of what we understand in a western capacity of yoga

[00:10:24] is strictly physical and that's not a bad thing it's a starting point it's not a bad thing

[00:10:31] it's a starting point it's the it's the gateway drug to into the rest of the yoga world right there's

[00:10:40] only so far we can go with that but once you start to tap into the inner practices be it breath

[00:10:54] be it visualization be it these practices of intention sun culpas another word for that

[00:11:02] there's an infinite journey in and that infinite journey in

[00:11:09] it's a means for us to tap into that well spring of knowledge that is always accessible

[00:11:17] but we use the physical we use the breath we use all of these practices that merge external

[00:11:24] and the subtle realm which will go into later to get into that source level and let that source

[00:11:31] inform everything else right and so that's what I mean by yoga is meditation I mean it's

[00:11:39] asana physical practices it's breathing practices pranayama it's the different stages of meditation

[00:11:46] I mean we can meditate on an object we can meditate on a visualization we can meditate

[00:11:53] through concentration and then ultimately there are these little moments where there's stillness

[00:11:59] right there's stillness the mind is not in its churning it's not about getting it to stop

[00:12:08] it's just about allowing it to happen and that takes so much time there are so much misconception

[00:12:16] like oh I can't meditate because my mind is always moving my mind is always thinking that's

[00:12:22] just what it does right so let me keep you in that no no way would you ready let's go ahead and

[00:12:29] bust that before you're right now you never stop thinking you never stop thinking nor should you

[00:12:37] try to stop thinking there's no trying and stopping thinking it's allowing all of this alchemy

[00:12:43] of practice and time and experience to allow these moments of pause to happen that are

[00:12:54] natural and we might not even be aware when the pause happens it might be just a brief instance

[00:13:02] right but those experiences whether it's like in a sound healing whether that's in

[00:13:11] in a yoke nindra for instance all of these things however it is whatever the means is

[00:13:19] you could be in your run I mean tradition says like you don't that you could do this this this

[00:13:25] or you could do whatever works for you so I'm a firm proponent as much as like I believe in all of

[00:13:33] the whatever you want to call it the rules and I follow so much of the tradition I believe that we

[00:13:41] have to find what works for us and be educated in it have the right guides and then let that

[00:13:51] inform our experience because we're all ultimately regardless of the path trying to return to the same

[00:13:57] place right absolutely I think one of the things that you touch on here that's so beautiful it's like

[00:14:05] there are so many different ways to meditate like there are so many different ways to meditate when

[00:14:08] I hear people be like oh I just I'm not good at it I'm like well yeah no shit like nobody's good at

[00:14:14] meditation that's why we that's why we get to practice it a you're human be like that's it's not

[00:14:21] a natural thing for us to just sit and be with ourselves and yet to me that is the ultimate

[00:14:29] kind of in-game for meditation is can you just be with yourself and whatever's there

[00:14:34] right and not necessarily be trying to force it away if it's a more uncomfortable or unfamiliar

[00:14:40] emotion or not get too excited if it's a more of a high vibration and getting like lost in

[00:14:47] into that land and can you just have the same level of awareness and stillness while watching all

[00:14:55] these thoughts and feelings and emotions like pass through your mind like a cloud so that way

[00:15:01] when you're out in your life and people and situations and drama and energy and stimulus is

[00:15:08] passing by you can still remain in that same grounded observational place where you can make a choice

[00:15:15] versus just being ripped into a reaction based on your programming and your nervous system that's

[00:15:22] been doing its thing for however long so there's there's so many different ways to access it

[00:15:28] and at the end of the day it's how do we get to more people to be just more comfortable being with

[00:15:34] themselves and with nothing else to distract them from that because we've got a distraction problem

[00:15:41] people we've got a distraction problem and meditation is one of the ways that we can start to

[00:15:49] unplug from that part of all of the systems that is really kind of keeping us from ourselves.

[00:15:57] I mean, I'm in. Oh true. A big thing that I want to add to what you're saying too is

[00:16:08] there needs to be preparation. I think it's really too much for us in the society where we do have

[00:16:15] a distraction problem. Our nervous systems are completely deranged because of all of these

[00:16:22] external stimuli. It's unrealistic for us to assume that if we just sit down and close our eyes

[00:16:29] and visualize something or do a practice that's been laid out for us that we're going to be open

[00:16:36] right there needs to be preparation in order whether that's literally going and doing an hour of

[00:16:43] physical yoga, osuna, the postures right or and or adding breathing practices or maybe you're

[00:16:50] going on a run like we need to have things that are helping us alter the predominance of the

[00:16:57] nervous system whether it's learning to calm it down, learning to rev it up, finding ways to

[00:17:05] alter its predominance because that's the filter through which we experience all reality and so

[00:17:10] when you're talking about being able to be in this seat of the observer and watching the chaos

[00:17:16] without identifying with it being able to sit and watch it and then respond rather than react

[00:17:24] that comes from a place of a nervous system that is not in its deepest fighter flight right?

[00:17:32] Right. We might need two hours for this podcast! Yes you're absolutely correct and I think

[00:17:40] it's so exciting to see how popular nervous system regulation is becoming as a topic and maybe

[00:17:47] that's just in my little world because or our little worlds but it feels like it's picking up a lot

[00:17:52] of steam and a lot of people are really starting to recognize that your nervous system is controlling

[00:17:59] everything whether you want to acknowledge that or not and it's working flawlessly based on who

[00:18:05] you are the experiences that you've had, the programming that you've been gifted and blessed with in

[00:18:09] this lifetime and part of the human experience and like this is this is like the choose your own

[00:18:15] adventure right? Like if you're listening to this and you're like ah fuck it I don't need to really

[00:18:19] play attention to this nervous system mumbo jumbo. You don't you can keep going like you are

[00:18:24] absolutely and one of the opportunities at this point and where we are in humanity is like we now

[00:18:30] know how to really clearly start to refine and reprogram our nervous systems to give us a different

[00:18:38] output if you so choose that and want that right? Like there's we get that on such a deep level

[00:18:45] that yoga and so many other different Chinese medicine so many traditions have innately understood

[00:18:52] this for so long and have been teaching practices that help people access this. The Westerners have

[00:18:58] just been like well you can't prove it so if you can't see it then it's not really yet. Now with

[00:19:04] neuroscience with all of these advances in technology we are able to prove it now that we've also

[00:19:10] got some of the Western medicine I don't even know what to call them the conglomerate of big pharma

[00:19:17] and science broken down enough that we're starting to study some of these practices so we can show

[00:19:24] and prove air quotes. I think that there's this really beautiful opening for Western society to

[00:19:31] start to recognize Eastern philosophy and coming together in a way that it hasn't been able to

[00:19:37] until this point in humanity and so we get to choose now if we want to like oh okay gratitude

[00:19:44] and breathing and moving my body and stretching it and sitting down and watching my thoughts these

[00:19:52] are all important things for me to do as a human being and it's a really exciting time in life

[00:19:58] and that's something that you've always done really really well is you have such a high integrity

[00:20:04] for protecting the culture the wisdom the origins the lineage of what you teach in a way that's

[00:20:13] also really making it accessible and easy to digest for people in our mainstream modern society

[00:20:21] like that is something I really want to give you your roses and kudos for because it's really

[00:20:28] easy to commoditize and just start running with yoga and doing all sorts of different things with

[00:20:35] it right and making themed classes and Lord knows I have a lot of my own forgiveness journey

[00:20:42] and how I've participated in the the Western colonization of yoga through my background and

[00:20:50] what you've done Evan has always just been such a beautiful way of protecting and also sharing

[00:20:58] like so generously I think there's like a balance to be found with it and I've just really

[00:21:03] always admired the way that you've been able to hold both of those things wow thank you that's

[00:21:08] I'm working on receiving compliments so that is really a wonderful compliment I'm really blessed

[00:21:15] to have not only been diagnosed with type 1 diabetes but also to have basically crippled myself

[00:21:23] from doing really intense physical yoga that I was forced to through those experiences

[00:21:31] find alternate ways to return to that feeling that I was talking about at the beginning and because of

[00:21:37] that whether it's karmic whether it's destiny whether it's just you know however you want to see it

[00:21:43] I was really fortunate to have some incredible teachers that are also steeped in such wisdom of tradition

[00:21:51] and really reinforce that the importance of it and to to use those practices to support me

[00:22:01] my journey and that's really what I hope for people for for anyone you know I talk about how

[00:22:10] it's important to find a path for whatever path that is for you but I think when we're talking about

[00:22:17] all of these different things all these potential pathways whether it's refining your nervous system

[00:22:25] whether it's meditation whether whatever your goal is we need to use our practice to help us digest

[00:22:34] our experiences I like to think of it as like an enzyme like we would take an enzyme before struggling

[00:22:43] to digest food again without a strong microbiome it doesn't matter how healthy the food is that you're

[00:22:53] taking in I it doesn't matter how healthy all of these things you could potentially be doing are

[00:23:01] taking in taking in without that ability to digest it and transform it whether it's healthy or

[00:23:12] unhealthy there's there's things like where you know I think of like you know people that

[00:23:21] they work with venom of snakes and they like take that venom and they take it slowly in and they

[00:23:27] become progressively like immune to snake venom you know what I mean like why are they doing this

[00:23:35] that's snake tamers in India for people or some snake crazy snake people but I want to try to get

[00:23:43] is whether you're taking in poison or whether you're taking in the highest vitality we need to have

[00:23:52] the ability to transform that into something that's beneficial right it can't be just taking in

[00:24:01] pristine like air and food and nourishment we need to even be able to take in all of this crap

[00:24:09] and transform it through our digestive fire or through our practices what you know are you

[00:24:16] following me it's like whether it's the food we're taking in or whether it's the nourishment

[00:24:21] we're taking in from our practice it's everything that we're taking in it doesn't matter unless

[00:24:27] we have the ability to digest it what's coming up for me in this is and something that I've

[00:24:34] recognized and really gotten to face in the last couple years of my own journey is

[00:24:38] sheena you don't need anymore information you don't need any more tools you don't need

[00:24:43] anymore practices you need to learn how to really integrate and like become a master of the things

[00:24:49] that you already know work like I have to learn how to digest it's like now it's just time to actually

[00:24:55] be in the meditation practice every day now it's just time to like actually be in a gratitude practice

[00:25:01] every day now is the time where you get to actually use use these tools in a way that is

[00:25:08] alchemyzing every part of my experience and my being on an internal level that has been coming at

[00:25:15] me from an external level am I tracking with you yeah that's exactly what I'm talking about

[00:25:21] and giving things time to know it intimately like we're so driven by shininess shininess everywhere it's

[00:25:29] like that's interesting that's interesting and yes it is and we can follow those things but

[00:25:34] really honing in and picking something and getting you're giving yourself the opportunity to truly

[00:25:41] know it on a deep deep level there's something to say about that discipline of showing up with consistency

[00:25:52] and then once you know it then you can try continue to try something else right you can grow from

[00:25:57] that but that's that's what I find is very very helpful it's I've been replacing the word discipline

[00:26:05] because for whatever reason I've just got like a negative thing about it yeah yeah it just it comes

[00:26:11] with weight for me that I you know that's on the list of things to unpacked one day and in the meantime

[00:26:20] I'm using a word devoted like devoted sounds so much like sweeter and I think for me specifically

[00:26:28] I think a lot of women can struggle with the masculine imbalance that our society puts on to us

[00:26:33] and for me to use replacing discipline with devoted really allows me into my feminine energy a bit more

[00:26:40] and like wants me like I want I like want to lean in to something that I'm devoted to whereas discipline

[00:26:46] I automatically like feel a reaction of my body that's like tensing and like pushing back

[00:26:52] whereas devoted like I soften and I fall into it a little bit more so that's been one of my word flips

[00:26:58] and it's getting me to the same place of that ultimately consistency right like none of these

[00:27:05] practices work if you do them once or twice or a couple times a year they just don't you'll have

[00:27:10] some cool experiences with them but going back to where how you even opened up this conversation

[00:27:15] is like you got to go deep you got you got to come into relationship with your inner world and

[00:27:22] these tools to understand which ones really work for you when is it time to try a new one when is

[00:27:28] it time to challenge your system in a new way and and do it differently so yeah I love this idea of

[00:27:38] the digestive enzyme that is our that are our practices that we get to yeah really use to take in

[00:27:47] the human experience at a much different level that breeds devotion and that devotion when I think

[00:27:54] of the word and how it resonates it like it really sits in my heart but it's it's like a perseverance

[00:28:03] it's like a thing that for me devotion is like I have to do it but having and wanting are the same

[00:28:12] thing it's like I have no choice but that takes time and I don't know if that's for everyone that's

[00:28:19] just in my chart like my chart is to to be very spiritually connected if you look at like where my

[00:28:27] house is and all these different things it's just that comes very naturally so again continuing to

[00:28:34] reinforce finding what works for you it doesn't have to be so strictly spiritual it can be so many

[00:28:45] different things so many options out there people when I introduce people to the idea of energy hygiene

[00:28:53] it's through the lens of like okay there's going to be cognitive practices and there's going to

[00:28:57] be somatic practices and like okay let's break down with the differences we've got mindset

[00:29:03] you know metacognition some different ways of just understanding what's happening in the mind better

[00:29:08] and there's just an unavoidable so much of my practice and who I've been I've kept them both

[00:29:15] so separate right and the somatic practices the body practices I was doing and not really connecting

[00:29:21] and heavily focused on the cognitive side and recognizing there's a balance to both and there's

[00:29:27] so many different types of practices under each of them there's so many different types of movements

[00:29:31] you can do with your body there's so many different ways that you can hold yourself

[00:29:37] and challenge yourself and do states of stress in a healthy way so that you change your stress

[00:29:41] response and it's all about I like to you know me I have a heavy retail background it's like

[00:29:47] let's pick out an energy hygiene outfit like what are you going to try on from the energy hygiene

[00:29:52] closet today there's so many different things like you want to talk with the cold shower or cold

[00:29:55] plunge let's see which one does better for you or maybe we don't do any of those and let's go over

[00:30:00] to acupuncture chiropractic right let's try on different types of meditation and gratitude practices

[00:30:07] and so there's so many different things and this is oh let's go to coaches can we go to coaches

[00:30:14] okay for sure for sure okay great I love I love putting people on to the idea that we actually have

[00:30:20] five bodies y'all not just one we have five and it's important to understand all of them

[00:30:26] we've got a physical body we've got an energy body we've got a thought body an intellectual body

[00:30:32] we've got a spiritual body and I stay in the lane for the most part of the first three and helping

[00:30:38] people get really clear on that and so as my teacher I kind of want to like this is a teacher's pet

[00:30:45] moment that I'm going to go ahead and call myself out on it like can I tell you the first three

[00:30:51] coaches and you you kind of like fact check me make sure I'm I'm on track and if there's anything

[00:30:56] that I mean color to add any of that then please do and then maybe I'll let you take over for the

[00:31:01] last two because those two are not as much in my my teachings how does that feel oh I love this

[00:31:09] okay great okay let's play here we go so coaches are our subtle bodies is what they roughly

[00:31:16] translate to in Sanskrit in recognizing that we've got these different layers of our body to us

[00:31:23] and so we have the physical body right so this is the body that we all know love or actually maybe

[00:31:29] we don't love because that's a conditioned thing for us as well and it's like it's the meat suit

[00:31:35] it's the the bones and the ligaments and the nerves and the skin and the organs like that is our

[00:31:43] physical body that is what's known as the Anamaya Kosha if we're gonna because I like getting my

[00:31:49] sounds my Sanskrit in as well I say it as Sansa now instead of Sansa I digress people so we've got

[00:31:57] this physical body it's the meat too and this thing is nothing without the next layer the second

[00:32:05] layer which is gonna be our energy body and that's the Prana Maya Kosha and Prana is life force

[00:32:10] energy it's chi it's the spirit that moves us and it's really facilitated and controlled by the

[00:32:17] breath like we when we think about like how do we animate our meat our meat suit how do we turn

[00:32:22] this thing on we have the breath of life that when a baby first comes out like if the baby doesn't

[00:32:28] breathe that's that's that's not gonna be a great sign right and we also know that when someone

[00:32:33] takes their last breath like that is the sign of completion in animating the body so the energy

[00:32:39] body is informing and expressing life into the meat suit body so understanding how to take care

[00:32:46] of your energy just like we know how to take care we're really good at understanding how to

[00:32:50] like care for take care of hygiene practices for outer body we need to start thinking about how

[00:32:55] are we taking care of our energy body then there's a thought body which is the Manu Maya Kosha and

[00:33:00] that one is informing the tone the vibration and the frequency of the energy that's literally

[00:33:07] flowing through our body that's what's giving it its resonance that's that's what shaping the

[00:33:13] reality of what's being made manifest through our bodies I'm gonna pause there and see what you

[00:33:19] have to add and how I'm doing yeah I mean you're too great I would I would add about Manu Maya you

[00:33:28] know well I want to take a step back and just say like uh you mentioned Sanskrit which is

[00:33:34] you know the the language of yoga so to speak of many different traditions or philosophies within

[00:33:41] so Maya is and is like the ultimate dissolution she covers everything from truth and so

[00:33:53] Kosha means sheep it's like this layering the sheep that that covers the ultimate truth which is

[00:34:00] that we are all just oneness right we're all just breathe in these spiritual uh sorry my blood

[00:34:08] sugar is a little bit low right now so the words are not coming as fluidly it's all also kind of

[00:34:13] insane to talk about this stuff because it's like one of those things that it's like you can

[00:34:18] intellectualize it but it's really more of like a feeling of it but these are these are the

[00:34:23] sheets that cover our essential nature and Manu Maya is like the mind right but it's the mind that

[00:34:35] is constant we cut like like a lower mind there's a higher mind which we'll get into and

[00:34:44] a lower mind and I don't want to say like one's better or worse it's just one is

[00:34:52] more informed by external conditions where the other one's more informed by internal

[00:34:57] more from spirit Manu Maya is like what we're constantly it's the information we're taking from

[00:35:05] the outside world but it's also this repository of memories right it's it's like this interaction

[00:35:13] with memory and what we're seeing and observing in the current state and would it be fair to say

[00:35:20] that our higher mind uh and I'll be very honest and I'm gonna call myself out in front of the

[00:35:25] teacher right now I don't remember what the it's a big big Niana big Niana Maya and Niana means

[00:35:33] like with wisdom uh so yeah it's weird to say that that's like the collective intelligence

[00:35:41] that we all participate in and more of like that access to that oneness that we all are expressing

[00:35:49] and the lower mind is more of maybe more of our physical mind that we get to have in this lifetime

[00:35:58] that's shaped by our subconscious and our experiences and our programming would that be an accurate

[00:36:02] way to distinguish between the two minds it's very difficult to still distinguish it I like to

[00:36:08] think of it as big Niana Maya is like that whisper we all have that is intuitive that informs

[00:36:18] it's individual but it's also collective right it's it's a very wise self that as you get more

[00:36:26] and more subtle with these sheets continues to be informed by spirit by that highest self

[00:36:34] that is the collective consciousness of all existence but it's that big Niana Maya that trickles

[00:36:41] through and can inform the monomaya from there okay I feel like everything comes back to like

[00:36:51] this is just kind of where I'm starting to land these days is like it's all god in a lot of ways

[00:36:57] and like or creator or source energy or spirit like there's so many different words that we can

[00:37:03] use for it and would that be an accurate description of like that I guess more collective the thing

[00:37:13] that's above us but that we also are that is in us being the fifth body yeah absolutely

[00:37:22] think Niana Maya the fourth body that's like the wisdom body and then Ananda Maya is the call

[00:37:29] at the bliss body and the bliss body it's individual but so it gets so subtle and I hope I'm not

[00:37:37] making this too esoteric but that ringles that's a bear on on on my it's like an individual consciousness

[00:37:45] that is on level of of the highest but it's your individual expression of that right because we're

[00:37:54] we're still talking about the individual and there's all these different layers and so what a

[00:37:59] practice can do is slowly peel back these layers in an almost a reductive way so we can begin to

[00:38:06] identify these different layers as they come up like for me as someone who lives with diabetes right

[00:38:12] so my blood sugars will be off and I'll be able to feel that physically in my body or if one of

[00:38:18] I have some disc herniations or arthritis like I'm like oh that's my body like I can feel that

[00:38:25] and observe it and notice it and be able to be observing it back to what we're talking about before

[00:38:33] or if I notice my energy is in a certain way high low like there's all these different

[00:38:39] possibilities of where the energy can be at and understanding okay like how can I manipulate this

[00:38:46] how can I influence this in a direction or observing the mind like my mind is in a place right

[00:38:52] right now and that chatter that's coming in maybe that's related to what's going on physically

[00:38:59] maybe it's what's going on on an energy like they're not singular they're all interconnected

[00:39:04] right and then when you're able to identifying quiet things down we talk about the nervous system

[00:39:10] being able to self-regulate use positive stressors to build resilience right

[00:39:16] hurrying to calm down wrap it up be able to be this like shape shifter in ways that we can easily

[00:39:22] move through these different extremes and have a very resilient nervous system when you're able to

[00:39:29] experience that

[00:39:31] it's in those moments of pause that we're talking about like whether that's however it is

[00:39:40] nidra meditation yoga nidra meditation you do a lot of sound healing providing opportunities

[00:39:46] for people to drop into that where the monomia that mind place is not constantly predominantly

[00:39:53] uh being the the main noise that's when the you can start to hear the very subtlety of wisdom

[00:40:03] of knowing and that is what's informed by that individual consciousness so i'm trying to say as it's

[00:40:11] like a core of an apple right and you're peeling past these layers and it's not that you want to

[00:40:17] ever get rid of these layers but it's to be able to be seated in the deepest part of it

[00:40:25] and that's a knowing and that's something that you can't force but you can only strive for

[00:40:32] through through openness and devotion that that can inform your your whole life and that's

[00:40:40] what i mean by yoga is meditation that is what this is about it's about living it all the time

[00:40:50] and letting that be your guiding compass so that no matter what is happening in your physical, mental

[00:40:59] energetic no matter what is happening you're able to be established in that seat of

[00:41:04] wholeness even when you have no idea what that can I curse

[00:41:11] whenever if you know idea what the fuck is going on yeah right which is very easy to engage.

[00:41:18] oh yeah yeah i don't know what's going on yeah but i know that regardless

[00:41:25] that it's really it's a deep feeling right so that's the cautious.

[00:41:41] oh yeah y'all are you going to bring back this little body training ever?

[00:41:45] i want to yeah i want to. i am starting to do some more trainings i'm going to do one

[00:41:56] a true nature what i did that training so means really big in my practice is like

[00:42:02] sounds also kind of insane spirit possession

[00:42:06] so it's like deity yoga so the whole idea is that that there's all these different forms of

[00:42:19] consciousness there's one consciousness god whatever you want to call it right universal

[00:42:25] consciousness there's all these different forms that emulate different qualities and these are

[00:42:30] deities whether they're the deities or the devas the masculine the feminine there are different

[00:42:37] forms that have different potentials and we can harness these potentials whether you think of

[00:42:44] them as literally as entities or more qualities this is a big part of my personal practice as a

[00:42:51] tantric is to learn how to access this and so i'm going to be doing a practice that's focusing

[00:42:59] specifically on the goddess and the different forms of the goddess and how to tap into that wisdom

[00:43:06] that potentiality these qualities of transformation and hone in on that but it's like you're

[00:43:11] inviting it but that's all done through the subtle when we're talking about like a subtle body

[00:43:17] training it's about learning how to tap in to this potentiality through the breath which is not

[00:43:25] only the prime regulator of your nervous system but it's the doorway from the physical to these

[00:43:33] more subtle layers so it's all hand in hand the science of it this esoteric art form they're all

[00:43:42] tightened so miraculously and beautifully that sounds like it's going to be a vibe

[00:43:52] it's what i practice and you got to practice what you should do or teach what you practice these

[00:43:59] data to practice for sure there's um i'd like to jump over to breath because i think one of my

[00:44:08] favorite parts of that subtle body training is learning about the breath and the different

[00:44:16] qualities of the i mean i i think breath is easily the thing that we all overlook the most in life

[00:44:23] it's like oh my gosh this thing is so important how do we not like have a class about breath

[00:44:28] in school you know that would be really helpful and there are just so many different layers to it

[00:44:35] i feel like some of ritzy is having a moment in society which is great most people know that

[00:44:40] is box breathing and it is so exciting to see how many people know what the fuck a box breath is

[00:44:45] and how to use it it's like hey okay everybody and um if you are listening and don't know what that

[00:44:54] is though you are still welcome here and let's let's break it down here real quick a box breath is

[00:44:58] where you're inhaling um you're holding full at the top you're exhaling and then you're holding

[00:45:05] empty at the bottom and you're doing that for the same ratio of counts so whether that's for three

[00:45:09] seconds four seconds five seconds whatever it is it's all an equal count that you inhale for four

[00:45:15] hold for four exhale for four hold for four so you're thinking of like making a little box and

[00:45:21] ratio breathing is something that Evan really taught me and helped me understand a much deeper level

[00:45:27] and so i'm hoping that you can share just kind of that high level okay ratio breathing

[00:45:33] how someone could potentially start to think about it or use it as something that like if they

[00:45:38] need it if they need to either amp themselves up a little bit or maybe they need to like bring

[00:45:42] it back a little bit or maybe they need to find that moment of stillness maybe help us understand

[00:45:49] why ratio breathing is such a powerful tool yeah absolutely um think of it like you the yogi is one

[00:45:59] who can influence change in their condition and that's what learning to influence your breath or

[00:46:11] counts using ratio using account to your breath whether that's emphasizing the inhale emphasizing

[00:46:16] the pause after the inhale the exhale or the pause after the exhale or all four together which

[00:46:22] you're talking about with um with a box breath for instance they all elicit unique physiological

[00:46:29] responses and those physiological responses influence change in how you feel and how you perceive

[00:46:38] so think of yourself when you're breathing as it's like a science experiment really it's noticing

[00:46:46] like your starting point is always going to be uniquely different right whatever is going on

[00:46:51] whatever type of day whatever time of day whatever season that's where you're starting point

[00:46:58] and then adding the breath to it is going to influence you in a different way and so when you start

[00:47:07] to use ratio counting with your breath it's it's just as simple as finding balance in both the

[00:47:16] inhale or the exhale right finding a way to breathe with ease then you can start to train

[00:47:23] different like stages of it but really the rule of thumb with any type of pranayama or um breath

[00:47:31] practice is that you want your breath to be um easy and long you shouldn't be straining it in

[00:47:39] any type of way but you want to be like progressively kind of stretching it out it shouldn't be

[00:47:46] like this passive experience necessarily you should be applying some effort to your ease if that

[00:47:53] makes sense um so really simple way to start doing that with ratio is like when you're practicing yoga

[00:48:00] for instance physical postures I want to be correct because yoga so many things hopefully we understand

[00:48:06] that um but counting and you're inhaling exhale like let's say you're moving your arms and you're

[00:48:14] lifting your arms on the inhale and lowering your arms on the exhale it would be counting your breath

[00:48:22] and making it even or let's say if you were to lengthen your exhale that would be a ratio of like

[00:48:31] a classic ratio is like one to two so one to two would be like inhaling for a ratio of one

[00:48:37] exhaling for a ratio of two would be like four to eight for instance that would have more of

[00:48:45] a different kind of effect than if you were just to do inhale floor and exhale floor for instance

[00:48:51] so it's like playing with these different ratios and seeing how they impact you and impact your

[00:49:00] practice but starting with the physical like using that to support your your structure but to also

[00:49:08] be like that background meter that's constantly slowing you down and really

[00:49:15] it's like intentionality it's putting a lot of intentionality into the movement so it's not just

[00:49:21] like something that you're just generating and doing but it really puts you in the seat of

[00:49:27] of being the conductor right like the doer

[00:49:35] the conductor is a really great work I think that's kind of going back to what we were speaking

[00:49:42] to earlier is like we get to be the conductor of our experience if we so choose and if we start

[00:49:48] to learn how to use some of these tools and so knowing that inhaling can be a little bit more

[00:49:54] activating to a system whereas exhaling can be a little bit more relaxing to a system you get to

[00:50:01] start to play with that and it's like okay do I need to chill the fuck out right now let me get

[00:50:06] a little bit longer in my exhale okay do I need to I like I am feeling lethargic it is time to stop

[00:50:13] the scroll and get off the couch let me do some quick sharp inhales and add some pizzazz to my

[00:50:20] system like there's so many different ways again that people get to start to explore their breath

[00:50:28] their meditation they're running all of the different things and it's exciting to think about

[00:50:35] having more people on this planet being the conductor of their own experience versus

[00:50:40] being plugged into some of the experiences that this world just you know provides for us if we want to

[00:50:50] say it like that I'll be nice and say it like that yeah for sure and two like I also want to say

[00:50:56] like we got to meet ourselves where we're at right so if we are completely like out of sorts and our

[00:51:04] nervous system is like in a complete fight or flight but we want to get to calm like you can't

[00:51:12] meet yourself with like oh I'm gonna go just do like relaxing exhales right like that's actually

[00:51:16] going to be more stress proof invoking it might be better to actually focus on breathing that's kind

[00:51:23] of being more revving you up and then moving towards something that's going to be more calming

[00:51:30] um I know that's kind of like a higher level concept but I think it's really important for people

[00:51:35] to understand like like if you are feeling like you've got a lot of angst or something to that I

[00:51:42] think of like like if I'm having like a mini panic attack like I'm not gonna go and like

[00:51:48] do yoga nidra I might go and like get on my bike for a second and like get like things going

[00:51:56] and then maybe I'll you know start to slowly move in a direction that's going to be more calming

[00:52:00] it's like start where where you're at energetically and then move in a different direction

[00:52:06] and that onto itself might be enough to move you enough in that direction absolutely there's

[00:52:14] I think a big part of what can get easily overlooked right and even just in what I'm saying

[00:52:21] that the first step of

[00:52:25] regulating yourself at all is to understand where you're at and without some of these practices to

[00:52:32] get to know that internal landscape to understand what's happening in your body to understand what's

[00:52:37] happening on a physical level biological level for you like there is

[00:52:42] um a quieting there's there's an internal reflection that we get to start doing to even understand

[00:52:49] like where am I right now so I can meet my needs which could be expelling energy so that we can

[00:52:54] come back down to a level it could be acknowledging that more rest is needed so that we can come back

[00:53:00] up to a level and knowing which tools are going to move you in which direction if

[00:53:06] if there is a intended direction that you're looking to go in and I think that's

[00:53:13] such a great call out in that we have to meet ourselves where we're at and

[00:53:20] it can be really hard to know where we're at if we're not taking time to meet ourselves

[00:53:27] that's so good

[00:53:31] work that clip

[00:53:32] but

[00:53:37] start meeting yourselves people you're so dope you're so dope at least take time to

[00:53:42] hang out with yourself with nothing else around

[00:53:46] horrifying at first I will I will give you that it is a terrifying thing to start into but

[00:53:52] that's just your ego trying to be like no don't come for me you can't do this you don't know what

[00:53:57] you're doing this is too hard just go back to bed just keep scrolling don't let that little

[00:54:03] fucker win make it your friends make it your friend something I notice when I start to feel like

[00:54:09] I don't want to go in because I still have that despite hold on yeah that never goes away

[00:54:15] you go I never because yeah if you're like how do you get up and practice every day I'm like

[00:54:20] I used to I never want to it's just I do I do that devotion is strong you develop it but something

[00:54:28] I notice it's just as simple as like noticing when you're feeling like all shitty or whatever it is

[00:54:35] reactive there's so many words you can have to describe it but for me it's like heaviness

[00:54:42] like I feel like this almost like angsty not traditions says they're like these knots in the body

[00:54:47] I feel it I just bring attention to this place right under my nostrils where my breath is like

[00:54:55] entering it's like there's like a just a slight sensation there and I'm just like just tap

[00:55:00] continually tap into observing that place and it helps me remember that I'm alive

[00:55:08] and it takes me out of that feeling of like I'm not connected yeah and it's I do know

[00:55:19] and it's it's this coming to understand the human experience as all of it and when do we get

[00:55:29] to find those knots not necessarily as pleasurable as maybe some of the other sighted experiences

[00:55:38] of life but recognizing that it's also a sensation it's also a fluctuation of the mind just like

[00:55:47] like I think you know good versus bad is some programming I've really had to overcome from my

[00:55:53] religious upbringing and you know so it can be easy to say oh the good emotions are the bad

[00:55:59] emotions it's like no they're all just emotions they're actually all just sensations in our body

[00:56:05] that we've learned to label a certain way and when do we get to just be with them all equally

[00:56:11] and respect them all equally one of the distinctions and I'm curious to actually share this with you

[00:56:17] and hear how you'd relate this through yoga emotions are like those chemical reactions they're

[00:56:23] like the actual sensations in the body they're the neurochemicals that are flooding through us and

[00:56:28] they really only last about 90 seconds if we are giving them their proper

[00:56:35] place and if we are acknowledging them if we allow ourselves to be fully present to the experience

[00:56:40] of an emotion it takes about 90 seconds where I see so many of us getting tripped up myself

[00:56:47] as the primary example for so long collapsing the idea of emotions and feelings we're feelings

[00:56:52] that's the story and the narrative that we attach to the emotions that come along and so what we're

[00:56:58] often dealing with is these loops in the mind that are keeping a stuck on an emotion that we either

[00:57:06] didn't fully process or got like so hooked into that now we're just replaying it and like have

[00:57:12] this emotional addiction that we get to keep running around on and separating those two has

[00:57:19] really been such a game changer for me and it has allowed me to be more present to the sensations

[00:57:26] in my body and the emotions as they're coming through if I know that like let me just set aside

[00:57:30] what I'm trying to make this mean right now and let me just actually be here and feel whatever

[00:57:35] the fuck is happening in my body I can do anything for 90 seconds I can like pause I can just take

[00:57:41] some breaths and just notice what's happening and then recognize that I get to

[00:57:46] tap into the narrative of what just happened for me and separate those two has been something

[00:57:51] that's been wildly helpful for me in my practice of emotional I think like emotional intelligence I would

[00:57:59] say what you just described is yoga is meditation because yoga is so commonly

[00:58:07] like we're bound to say yeah we're right as union it's usually like when people say what is yoga

[00:58:13] mean it means union but really what I was taught in which if you look deep in tradition it is

[00:58:18] is that yoga is actually separation something called v yoga and sam yoga v yoga is the ability to

[00:58:25] separate and to look at something maybe can help me words smooth this but in it's not a great word

[00:58:33] like classically we say discriminatively so you want to look at something discriminatively or if

[00:58:38] you could look at it like just having that discernment thank you yeah so to look and to discern

[00:58:46] and to be able to observe it so going back again into the the sheets the the co-shows that we

[00:58:52] were talking about something can be going on a physical subtle mental layer you're talking about

[00:58:59] this distinction between emotion and and being able to like observe like the loop and the narrative

[00:59:08] right so if you can have that moment of pause where you do some breathing or you do something that

[00:59:15] moves you out of the whole like monkey chatter mind thing right that that loop that we get caught up

[00:59:22] in and be like I can see that that's where I'm going with this because it's a feeling right have

[00:59:29] some way to separate yourself so you can then start to look at it with more discernment right

[00:59:38] and that's where that wisdom starts to trickle in right and that wisdom is informed by your

[00:59:45] your highest self and so we're combining here this the science of this but also this the

[00:59:54] this traditional way of looking at it and these are all just models like models are like maps for us

[00:59:59] to understand something that like us to see a terrain that is often hard to navigate we need to have

[01:00:08] a map and so these are just maps or models for us to be able to identify things as they come up and

[01:00:14] start to navigate it more clearly and effectively but that's what it is to me is that what you're

[01:00:20] talking about that's yoga in it yeah that's I mean great I'm glad I'm glad it was so apprapro

[01:00:29] for the conversation that we're being in and this is why we had such a great time at the sushi bar

[01:00:33] ladies and gentlemen there's also Martinez what were those oh yeah the gardeners also helped

[01:00:42] oh my gosh the gardeners also helps shout out to the green drink all the green drinks that we're

[01:00:48] had at Matsuhisa we miss you oh man this is just yeah it's so fun to learn about and see how

[01:01:00] the overlap between things and how we understand things now is how people have understood things

[01:01:07] in a similar way for so long without the technology or research that we think we need to understand it

[01:01:14] however we're westerners of course we maybe that's the real I need to make we're westerners of course

[01:01:21] we're gonna need science and research before we believe it we're westerners of course we need

[01:01:27] tight yoga pants before we go to a class we're westerners oh I've got I might I might have to go

[01:01:33] off on this one that would be a really good one oh goodness wow oh I love you so much I am curious

[01:01:45] to know like what's what's going on in your world where can people find you what sort of offerings

[01:01:51] are you doing these days if people would like to learn more with you obviously she's got a book

[01:01:57] and there are so many principles in said book that apply everywhere she just also happens to

[01:02:03] really specifically talk to people in the diabetes niche yeah tell us what's going on in the world

[01:02:09] of Evan and how people can learn more with you yeah definitely well first of all the book yoga

[01:02:15] therapy for diabetes you can get it on Amazon you can probably get it on like Barnes and Noble

[01:02:19] as well I wrote it for yoga therapists to work with people with diabetes but that

[01:02:27] was just what my publishers wanted okay underneath it more subtly I think it's a great study of

[01:02:34] how the nervous system works and how yogic-based practices can support stress management

[01:02:43] and support you no matter what you're working with because we're all working with something

[01:02:51] so it's a great starting point wait we've got to do one more thing yeah because it would be a

[01:02:56] disservice to the industry of yoga therapy if we don't like give people a definition because

[01:03:05] I know the first time I heard yoga therapy as someone who practiced yoga I was like what's yoga

[01:03:10] therapy so can you break it down real quick there's like so far to find there's been so much back

[01:03:18] and forth about like what the definition of yoga therapy is and I honestly to be

[01:03:27] completely truthful with you I'm not up to date with what that current definition is but I

[01:03:33] don't yeah I want your definition okay okay my my definition of a yoga therapist is someone

[01:03:42] that is like a consultant or guide that supports individuals so on and supports people on an

[01:03:50] individual level with using yogic-based tools to support their life whatever that means whether

[01:04:00] it's reducing pain or suffering or if it's allowing them to feel more courageous in their lives

[01:04:09] a yoga therapist is like a consultant that helps you navigate life with yogic-based tools and practices

[01:04:21] and Evan's a very good one when I was having some lip issues I wouldn't

[01:04:26] saw her because like that was like my entry point right was pain in the body

[01:04:30] and well yes she gave me some actual movements asanas like like maybe a physical therapist would

[01:04:38] for that she also gave me a breathing routine to do and a meditation routine and that was

[01:04:46] yeah working with you was the first time I was ever able to get into

[01:04:50] I did my first 40-day like run with meditation and I was just

[01:04:57] through the roof about that it was so excited now when I gave you the maha mureta and jai mantra

[01:05:03] mhm mhm yes yeah I got mantra I got so many goodies it was so helpful and

[01:05:11] um yeah happy to report that since then y'all I meditate daily I'll give myself maybe

[01:05:20] maybe one or two days a quarter that I don't meditate because I do find value in remembering

[01:05:26] why meditation I think there's a lot of value in that and um giving my little body is a sleep

[01:05:34] and break or whatever it might be um so yeah yoga therapy is incredible if it's something that you're

[01:05:41] interested in learning more about she's a great resource for that yeah I do work with people individually

[01:05:48] limited capacity but I do work with people individually in person and virtually

[01:05:55] um I really like I love physical therapy I love acupuncture I love all these different modalities but

[01:06:00] what I love about yoga therapy is that it really considers the whole person and going back to

[01:06:05] what we're talking about with the koshas physical subtle mental um and then these like more subtle

[01:06:12] layers of wisdom and spirit like you don't have to incorporate all of them but it's important to

[01:06:21] consider it all when working with a person and this is what a well trained yoga therapist should

[01:06:27] be able to do so so it's powerful it really is powerful working people find you um it is

[01:06:38] syrokayogatherapy.com and then my Instagram is Evan syroka s-o-r-o-k

[01:06:46] we'll also add that to the show notes of course final question that I ask all of my guests

[01:06:53] as part of my daily gratitude practice I fall asleep thinking of the three things that I'm most

[01:06:57] grateful for in the last 24 hours so I'm gonna put you on the spot for one what is one thing in the

[01:07:02] last 24 hours that you are like very particularly grateful for like get like juicy with oh goodness um

[01:07:14] I am very grateful for a recent shift in my practice where I've started to hone in onto some

[01:07:23] really powerful um energy this like sounds crazy but I'm going deeper into my practice where it's not

[01:07:32] so much about being comfortable it's about really awakening a part of myself that's ready to

[01:07:38] transform on the next level and so I'm really really really happy that that's where I'm at right

[01:07:46] now and it's given me so much feeling of freedom so that's one like on a on a personal practice level

[01:07:53] um I'm grateful for my friends I had dinner last night with some really old friends I'm

[01:08:03] sitting here with you one of my oldest friends I'm just really grateful for the wonderful people

[01:08:09] my life um and the third gosh it's like maybe I need to be doing this more often um

[01:08:23] it's very simple it doesn't need a big big thing but I'm really grateful for the sun today

[01:08:30] oh because it has not been out for weeks and it's really making me feel alive really really alive this

[01:08:41] uh the sun was missing for like eight days out here so I feel you on that one and it is

[01:08:49] ah it gives a whole new perspective to life when we've got the sun out so I hope you get to go

[01:08:53] and enjoy it today I actually already did oh good maybe maybe do it again

[01:09:01] and do it again around your place well thank you so much Evan I just absolutely adore you

[01:09:09] I love going down philosophic rabbit holes with you and learning with you and just

[01:09:15] going deep ah people who go deep are my people I love you I'm so grateful for you thank you again

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