UFO Roundtable

[00:00:00] Escaping Denver, batch three, UFO round table.

[00:00:24] I don't have a lot of time because I'm on the move.

[00:00:26] You're that collective? On the move?

[00:00:28] Have fun going through my empty apartment? Things are gonna be a little fast and loose for the next while, but I'm confident I'm gonna land on my feet.

[00:00:36] Thanks to you out there listening to this, I've been able to connect with like-minded people that I can and plan to rely on.

[00:00:43] If we should hit the fan, some friends of the podcast recorded a round table discussion, this time focusing on UFOs and now feels as good a time as I need to share with you.

[00:00:52] I'll let Marta take it from here. The quote Noah, keep your minds and eyes open.

[00:00:57] Welcome to the Escaping Denver UFO round table. My name is Marta Wesselhoff. I'm a podcaster based out of Vancouver, British Columbia.

[00:01:06] And I'm here today to talk to some people who have had some very specific experiences in the world of UFOs.

[00:01:14] I myself am a natural skeptic. So when you hear stories about people being abducted, don't always believe it.

[00:01:22] But I want to hear from the people who have more experience in this to see if perhaps they can change my mind or kind of shed light on some of the things that we've heard Noah and Sarah go through in the Escaping Denver podcast.

[00:01:33] I have two guests today. I brought together Ryan Tan, who Ryan, correct me if I'm wrong, you yourself have experienced an abduction in your life.

[00:01:44] Yes, I have. And thank you so much for having me on the podcast.

[00:01:48] Of course, I'm very glad that you're here and I really appreciate you sharing your story with us.

[00:01:53] And then I also have another guest today known only as Frenchy and Frenchy, you yourself are considered sort of an expert in the world of ufology and the study of UFOs if I'm not mistaken.

[00:02:07] Yeah, exactly. So for self thank you for having me and I'm really looking forward for that discussion.

[00:02:13] Great. Thank you so much to both of you for being here. I would like to just jump right in Ryan.

[00:02:19] I would love it if you could kind of tell me about your story and your experience with UFOs.

[00:02:25] Yeah, of course. I grew up in a city called leaf rapids. Can you know this is in Northern Manitoba and I was camping with my dad at Lynn Lake.

[00:02:37] Lynn Lake is about I'd say 90 minutes north of leaf rapids by car.

[00:02:42] And my dad was a huge outdoorsman and he wanted to teach me everything in the book on survival when I was younger and along came that you know how to hunt how to gather and

[00:02:53] how to essentially thrive in the wilderness.

[00:02:56] And if you don't know much about Lynn Lake, Lynn Lake is a great spot for sports fishing during the summer and in the winter people go there for snowmobiling, snow-shoeing and ice fishing, which is

[00:03:07] you know why my dad wanted to take me up there in the first place. He wanted to teach me how to ice fish and Lynn Lake only has around a population of just under about 600 people and my dad God rest his soul had just recently diverse for my mother and partoken a lot of activities that embodied seclusion.

[00:03:25] So he wanted he wanted to be on his own a lot, but I was there so he wanted to take me you know scrappy little 11 year old kid gave him hell.

[00:03:34] And I was really shy to have a lot of friends and I saw my dad as my best friend and being together outdoors was sort of what bonded us.

[00:03:42] But anyway, he took me camping over the weekend and we had planned just to stay at least a few nights and we had camp set up and I went to take a leak

[00:03:52] I remember vividly seeing four bright dots in the sky parallel to each other and on the first night it would hover. It was completely stationary and then whoof, it would just disappear.

[00:04:08] And I'd obviously tried telling my dad and he just told me you know go back to bed you know insinuating it was just part of my imagination that I was just tired and I guess seeing weird dots in the sky was like a simple

[00:04:21] a byproduct of my mind telling me that I should go to bed. But I went to bed then and I had these horrific nightmares like waking up several times sweaty and each time it was preceded by bright flash.

[00:04:37] So I can't even describe you know what they look like, but I do remember like bulging eyeballs and like beyond that it's tough to visually remember their shape.

[00:04:50] Because there was there's nothing I can recollect of even being taken, but I remember reaching it out and touching them. And maybe this is TMI and let me know if it is TMI.

[00:05:04] But when I was younger I had a bad case of gzema and so there was a patch where the skin would just flake off and beneath the flaky skin that's what these creatures felt like they were soft and they were almost scale, but there were no scales.

[00:05:19] And the skin of these creatures was like that except it was wet and sort of sticky almost as if it was like douse know from jam.

[00:05:29] And oh my god, the smell like the smell was putrid that's one thing I really remember and I again I don't really mean to be graphic here.

[00:05:38] So stop me if I'm being too graphic but I had a lab or doodle when I was a kid and she had issues with the rain or glands.

[00:05:45] And that's what the smell like was like it would it would emit this sort of black liquid and you'd have to squeeze the walls of a rain is to get it out.

[00:05:54] And this is what it smelled like it was like black licorice but it had sort of a fishy pungent smell that was at the same time was like sweet like a like a peach tart.

[00:06:05] And so the flashes like were instant like I'd there would be a flash and then I'd wake up and everything was normal.

[00:06:12] So on the second day, I told my dad that I couldn't sleep really well and I wasn't really in the mood to ice fish with my dad but I knew that he wanted to be there.

[00:06:22] I knew that he wanted to show me how to ice fish and then while we were ice fishing, I saw the dots in the sky again a huge flash.

[00:06:32] And boom, I was in bed again.

[00:06:34] And so there's no way I was dreaming of going ice fishing like that part it felt so real.

[00:06:41] And so to this day, I don't know what was a dream and what wasn't.

[00:06:47] And you know, I'm not sure if anybody knows about Northern lights so to speak but what I know of them is you know it's charged particles colliding with gases in the upper atmosphere.

[00:06:58] It's beautiful bright colors this usually happens you around.

[00:07:02] Well that's what they say you're sorry to go to job but that's what mainstream science says nobody knows for sure what Northern lights are.

[00:07:10] Yeah, I guess that's what science indicates that they are but here's the thing is that these these this is something that exists it's something that you can see now it's not something that you can see all the time because you have to be in the right space at right time.

[00:07:23] It happens you around but typically if you're lucky, you see it once and over the course of this weekend I saw it five times and this was in 98.

[00:07:35] So I was 11 like it was in the summertime and I saw it five times I just I mean that's not something that's normal.

[00:07:44] I don't think but the creatures are remember never made any noise you know I just remembered like these sort of worrying motors of an operating table and the tools were on this sort of swivel so they were being used and the I don't know the events of that weekend sort of just all

[00:08:04] all led into a day Marta and I think we were just here's the thing I don't remember like we were supposed to be there for four days but I don't remember the drive back I don't remember getting home I was just home so it was very peculiar but I'm almost 100% certain that it had to have been an introduction of some kind I was definitely taken I don't remember be.

[00:08:33] I don't remember being taken but I mean at this point I had to have been interesting that's so interesting to hear I think typically when we hear of these abduction stories we hear a lot of you know physical visual descriptions of the aliens I've never heard anyone kind of describe the smell of them in the way that you described and I know that that's something that typically you know when we dream typically there it's a visual feedback not necessarily.

[00:09:02] Sensor feedback so it's really interesting to kind of hear you talk about that and I'm curious to know have these dreams come back since you went through this experience in 1998 or was is it a one time thing.

[00:09:16] It was a one time thing so it's not something that repeated over time and it was something that happened and and and I have to apologize in advance if my sort of voice was getting a little bit sort of almost exasperated but like it was a little bit more

[00:09:31] strange but like it was it was so strange just sort of even telling the story right there I almost felt as if my voice was sort of going because I was it was so it was so vivid in my mind so describing it was actually kind of.

[00:09:44] Strange even though I've done it before but yeah in terms of this dream it would I have to say that it only happened that weekend and and obviously I'm 36 years old now so that was a while ago 98.

[00:10:00] Yeah it hasn't happened since yeah it's out it certainly sounds like a very disorienting experience so it's it's definitely understandable that you would you know mentally go back there recounting the story.

[00:10:12] Friendsy I'm really curious to hear your take on this. I understand that you've spent quite a bit of time studying abductions and presumably speaking to you abductees similar to Ryan.

[00:10:26] I love to hear kind of your take on Ryan's story does this kind of match what you've researched in your own work.

[00:10:34] So yeah there's a lot to one pack here so first off Marta I just want to come back to you because I appreciate what you're doing but you've introduced yourself as a skeptic right.

[00:10:45] Yes yes here's the thing I respect everybody's point of view but at the end of the day now especially nowadays being skeptic about UFOs extraterrestrials and eb is extraterrestrial biological entities to me it's you you've got to be blind anyway there's so much proof out of it.

[00:11:04] Out there that we're not alone and we've never been and that's just the that story that I've just heard is just another example of it now does it ring a bell to me definitely when you mentioned the smell of those entities.

[00:11:20] We don't know if they were extraterrestrials but those entities that apparently adopted you I immediately thought about the Virginia story in Brazil that happened in 95.

[00:11:33] It's some people call it the Brazilian Roswell and what's also about that story is that contrary to most reduction stories like the Betty the Betty Hill story let me make sure I get the name right because yeah Betty and Barney Hill story which was a very first

[00:11:52] reduction story ever recorded when it comes to the American field in that in that in that subject.

[00:12:04] The Virginia story in Brazil it happened in 95 and all of the witnesses are still alive there's a great great great documentary that actually came out a few months ago called moment of contact and I invite you especially you Marta to watch that and if you're still skeptic.

[00:12:21] After that documentary you know I know what's wrong with you because at the end of the day you know so I was going to ask Marta I was I was thinking to myself and I had no idea that you were a skeptic of my story in terms of when you hear my story what aspects of it do you not believe exactly.

[00:12:40] I was going to say the same thing.

[00:12:42] I will say when I went for myself as a skeptic it was more around overall we hear a lot of alien abduction stories that could potentially be explained is the things like sleep paralysis is a very common explanation that we've seen.

[00:12:56] I personally do believe in extraterrestrial life I think that statistically speaking in the universe is too big and too unknown for there not to be something out there I think to to ultimately say there are there is no extraterrestrial life is.

[00:13:10] is as you put it Frenchy it's it's a your you'd have to be blind to believe that yeah thank you I think it's just that.

[00:13:18] There there is so much out there that does not seem real and it just it seems like it could be very easily explained as a dream that to me.

[00:13:30] May not be as realistic and as grounded as reality that being said I do see myself as sort of an open minded skeptic i am very happy to have my mind changed and I hope it was implied that I was skeptical of your story Ryan because does seem very.

[00:13:47] Accurate i really just want to learn more about what happened.

[00:13:52] Yeah I get that I think that and you know i'm definitely not in a place you know to get offended by anybody's perspective but.

[00:14:01] I mean you brought it up yourself in terms of many aspects of this universe not even being explored I mean when you think about the ocean only 10% of it so far has been explored and you got these little creatures at the bottom of the oceans that light up like what the fuck is that all about like how do they have lights like if they can exist then how is it possible.

[00:14:21] That extra terrestrials don't exist well what that but what like a marta i truly truly appreciate you.

[00:14:31] Saying that you have an open mind because i did not the day if you don't have an open mind there's no way you're going to be able to welcome your information and here's the thing i do you guys talked about how we know so much about the universe we know.

[00:14:44] We know almost nothing but reality anyway because when it comes to being just a human being most human being live their life through their five senses reality which is a.

[00:14:57] Like a tiny tiny tiny part of what actually goes on around us and that that's the main thing with UFOs and and extraterrestrials is that because people expect to be face to face with a physical being that I can call a.

[00:15:15] An it or like a non human entity but sometimes things happen that are completely out of our physical reality and I think that's what happened to you man can you remind me your first name please.

[00:15:28] Ryan Ryan okay there go Ryan yeah i that's part of what happened to you because you yourself you're not even able to say was i dreaming was that real yeah if i wrong here no you're not wrong and it also i have to say that it doesn't help that you have all these.

[00:15:44] The video is online it's all it's always in poor quality obviously 98 didn't have a cell phone camera didn't even have a digital camera with me like I there's no way for me to document what i experienced.

[00:15:54] All I have is my memory my mind and you know sort of what my vivid memories were of that evening i've never tried i've ever tried hypnosis because most abductes they actually remember a lot more when they go deep into it's not.

[00:16:08] I have an I'm afraid to do it because i'm afraid that if I approach first of all I you know in terms of Marta being a skeptic i'm a skeptic of it doesn't I don't think i don't think it's possible i don't think it makes sense for.

[00:16:22] To you know happen to me especially and i also maybe a part of that is actually me being afraid of what i'll find like if someone hypnotizes me i don't want to relive make sense yeah you know the events of the evening.

[00:16:37] I don't know if you remember right i'm.

[00:16:40] Did you feel any physical.

[00:16:42] Stars are physical side effect of that action was just purely an experience like a mental and.

[00:16:51] Maybe no way spiritual experience you have any physical mark on your body or physically do you feel anything when you work up.

[00:16:59] No no there is no physical imprint of what happened i guess smart of that's not going to help your you know your perspective of being a skeptic now there was no physical mark and i also felt no physical pain.

[00:17:11] Either so no there was no there was no where scared were scared.

[00:17:15] Well yeah i mean i woke up in the middle of the night you know just drenched in sweat and and i think a part of it was just the fact that my dad wouldn't believe me either like i would tell him multiple times and be like go back to bed or you know just like don't worry about it's just lights in the sky it's like.

[00:17:32] One thing i realize over the years especially going into UFOs and abduction and even the paranormal because sometimes actually it's the same thing you need to realize that sometimes it's not just extraterrestrial it's actually.

[00:17:44] Extradimensional entities that are here around us and they've always been here that's also another thing that people have a hard time putting their mind around is like hey what we call it is a new a foes they've been here on earth the whole time and sometimes even before us so that's one thing got to keep in mind but but the thing.

[00:18:04] So hold on friendship you think that there are always around us is that what you're saying you you think they live amongst us.

[00:18:10] Absolutely man like just bro there look i'm gonna ask you a few questions that i'm nothing to see with nothing to do with UFOs and so but you see my point.

[00:18:20] Um does wifi exist.

[00:18:23] Wi-Fi?

[00:18:25] Yes yeah it has to.

[00:18:27] Otherwise how would we be talking right now exactly but can you see it.

[00:18:32] Can you see wifi just wifi not the translation of wifi on a computer screen or a or in earphones on your on your freaking phone or MP3 player whatever can you actually see with your eyes wifi.

[00:18:47] I mean i can't it's not tangible okay can you smell it no can you touch it no can you taste it no can you hear just wifi signal.

[00:19:00] In the 90s there was something called dial up so i guess back then.

[00:19:05] Yeah but now that's not where we're talking about brother so can you actually hear the answer is no but here's the thing does it exist yes now let's go back 200 years get off 200 500 years let's say

[00:19:19] let's say you go to the middle age right try to explain wifi to someone from the middle age guys they're gonna think you're crazy or is going to burn you to the state because they are your freaking sorcerer or your witch and they're gonna kill you so here's the thing what we're sure of today.

[00:19:36] You never know what we're gonna think about that 50 years later down the line or 200 years in the future so my point is there's so much stuff that exist around us.

[00:19:47] What allows us to think that in those field and range of frequencies there is no entities living there and sometimes those entities either lower the frequency or that the frequency to actually appear in our physical reality.

[00:20:05] You see my point yeah I mean well well friendship I mean we're still living in in that era of people not believing you and there's even more evidence in terms of when you watch videos online.

[00:20:16] And especially with the advent of VFX visual effects people debunking actual videos of that.

[00:20:25] No no no no no I'm sorry but they're not anymore like you could say that maybe let's say it's 15 20 years ago but not anymore for now it's all it's officially its recent but it's officially recognized by the US government even

[00:20:37] now the Mexican government like they've said in Congress like under of that means that if you lie under of you go to jail you might even be like I'm not even sure with American laws I'm French right but you might even go like these are the death penalty.

[00:20:50] You guys know if you lie under of progress no not in states well okay but anyway for sure it's a prison time so anyway over the summer I think it was in July yeah July I think they had those whistleblowers in front of Congress basically saying yeah

[00:21:05] the US government have UFOs they've had that for decades they've been studying them and some of them they don't come from plant earth at one point then a few months later they had the Mexican like some...

[00:21:18] no it wasn't Mexican I think it was Peruvian but some scientists presenting in front of the Mexican Mexican Congress

[00:21:25] mummies were supposedly mummies of it is that they found in Peru in 2017 I think and yeah so all those things happen in front of politician again under oath like it now it's official you can't say now I don't believe what you're allowed to for sure but if we stick and if we stay in the matrix and in the mainstream narrative

[00:21:52] now even the mainstream narrative officially recognize that UFO exists extraterrestrial exist and we've seen mummies of them on TV and in front of politicians so...

[00:22:03] No I'm sorry I got French yeah I'm on your side I mean I'm the one who experienced it I mean exactly exactly I just think it's very very tough for someone to have experienced it also to have conversations with people who are like Marta or even if they're open ended they are skeptics

[00:22:19] and so I'm not denying that they exist because I'm the one who experienced it I have had conversations with people that debunk certain videos that are uploaded online and then even if you open the comment section

[00:22:33] it's all skepticism it's all okay it's CGI or it's AI or something that's not

[00:22:40] it would never read the comments online that's number one rule especially if you have an open mind because it's either bots or it's either trolls

[00:22:47] like I never read the comments online because at the end of the day you know what really matters is you and your own opinion

[00:22:52] and you got it said for you Marta with all due respect like again it's also to have an open mind but here's the thing like I was like you

[00:22:59] like what five maybe even ten years ago I was just like you I was like I don't really believe that but I'm open

[00:23:05] and stuff but hey the deeper you go into that the more research you do the more testimony you listen the more basically the more

[00:23:13] you're going to go deep into the rabbit hole and here's the thing to me and Ryan stories a perfect example of that

[00:23:21] my rule of thumb when he comes to people calling you know whatever conspiracy theories which I hate that term anyway

[00:23:29] all those conspiracy theories now turn to be true anyway which time but one my rule of thumb is if I hear something once

[00:23:37] I don't really believe it I keep it in my head but I'm like yeah whatever if I hear something twice and by say twice

[00:23:44] I mean from two different people two different whistleblower to these two different witnesses two different

[00:23:49] documentaries interviews books books are very important too then I'm like okay interesting

[00:23:56] you keep that in mind and then if I hear it three four or five times for like several different times from

[00:24:01] different people from different country different time different again backgrounds now to me

[00:24:07] that story as grass as legs and that story definitely deserve attention and Ryan stories the perfect example because then again

[00:24:15] I'm pointing you guys to that moment of contact that documentary about the Virginia the Brazilian Roswell

[00:24:22] it's exactly the same stuff like well it's not an abduction story basically long story short

[00:24:27] 95 for the month UFO crashed in Virginia it's a town in Brazil

[00:24:34] the military completely locked down the whole city crazy story locked out the whole city in search of that UFO

[00:24:45] then like I think the following day some some of the inhabitants of the town started seeing a weird creature an animal

[00:24:53] running loose in the city and that creature some there's triggers actually saw the creature and they made a drawing of it

[00:25:02] and they so the I was actually gonna ask you do you remember the color your your the entities that

[00:25:08] that the doctor you the their color the color the skin the color of their eyes not really because all this is so

[00:25:13] like it's not very fresh in my memory I would say if anything was sort of like a bluish teal

[00:25:19] but like gotcha but it was in the craft right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:25:25] yeah but I'm not sure whether that was a byproduct of my dream or not like that's the thing is like

[00:25:30] I don't know what was real what was it you know gotcha but anyway

[00:25:34] one of the biggest point of that Virginia story in Brazil is that the smell of those beings

[00:25:41] like like they took one of the body because actually found one dead they took one of the body to the local hospital

[00:25:48] to do some extra things so they basically said that the smell was so strong it took them weeks to get the smell out of the building

[00:25:55] and they tried everything they tried to clean they tried the the freaking like bleach everything

[00:26:00] and nothing could make it go away and I'm actually surprised like I gotta be honest bro

[00:26:06] I'm actually surprised you were well at least in your dream able to touch one because in that same

[00:26:11] Virginia story the Brazilian Roswell one of the police officer that actually captured a living one

[00:26:20] died within two weeks of a mysterious disease that they never found what happened

[00:26:26] he had physical contact with the creature because he had to grab it to put it in their car

[00:26:30] and the guy died like it within two weeks and again the family of that officer is still alive

[00:26:37] and they refuse to give testimonies it's that that whole story so weird again that

[00:26:42] who means like one of the best stories at a point skeptic towards and I'm like hey okay

[00:26:47] watch this and tell me if you still not believe but if it doesn't ring a bell to you

[00:26:52] well I mean it's fascinating when I you know I can't even describe like the touch

[00:26:58] specifically because I don't know whether it was real or not

[00:27:02] I I think it was real but in terms of reaching out it was almost if I can recall

[00:27:08] it's almost as if I was touching a halo yeah

[00:27:12] it's great great fucking point brother because sometimes those abduction they're actually not physical

[00:27:18] they're actually made through like some weird holographic technology because especially now

[00:27:24] with the progress of science and that's a whole another topic

[00:27:28] the progress of science I would they actually admit that there's a way to do 3D

[00:27:34] holographic images like not images but basically like holograms that you can actually touch

[00:27:40] so that's definitely possible that that abduction was definitely in a way

[00:27:46] like a mental experience for you but projected through some kind of holographic technology

[00:27:52] man you never know that's a great thing about that because the more you think you know

[00:27:56] the less you realize that wow my mind is completely blown away by that

[00:28:00] I think that's a really interesting point Frenchie in terms of the you know

[00:28:04] the use of technology to kind of generate these these physical experiences

[00:28:10] and I kind of want to want to pivot towards talking about that you know

[00:28:14] the technology being used and even you know the technology on the ships themselves

[00:28:20] Ryan I was wondering you've you've described quite a bit about the physicality of the creatures

[00:28:26] do you remember anything about the actual surroundings that you were in?

[00:28:30] I don't remember you know as I mentioned I don't remember being taken and so

[00:28:36] you know anything that you've ever watched in media or on television

[00:28:42] or the way that aliens or extraterrestrials are portrayed on TV is like a ship will sort of

[00:28:50] spin something in the middle and then you know you hover and you're something to the sky

[00:28:54] none of that none of that is something that I can recall happening

[00:28:58] it was almost as if it was like by the snap of a finger I was either at camp

[00:29:04] or I was inside their so-called ship if that's even what what it is or what it was

[00:29:10] and so I don't remember being sucked in you're not even sure it was a ship anyway

[00:29:16] you might have been underground for you know

[00:29:18] That's exactly right yeah interesting I have no idea

[00:29:22] That's what I mean when I say that's what I mean when I say you get a keep an open mind

[00:29:28] because people think it is abduction UFO

[00:29:32] well hey brother maybe you're just deep underground in a one of those deep underground

[00:29:36] military bay that we call dams but that's it like nobody really knows for sure

[00:29:40] but that's the beauty of it is that anyone that says I know it's 99% that is a B

[00:29:48] it's all BS and sometimes also the time government BS but I don't really want to get into that

[00:29:56] because then yeah might go the whole other yeah it's all exactly yeah

[00:30:02] um um frency it's it's I'm curious to ask you you know you've mentioned the idea that you know

[00:30:08] these could take place underground you also mentioned earlier the idea that these

[00:30:12] these beings have been on earth with us this entire time

[00:30:16] um how do you think they've accomplished that is there some sort of you know like camouflage

[00:30:22] or cloaking technology being used or or is it just we don't know what to look for

[00:30:30] well it's a mixture of we don't know what to look for but also that there's so much possibilities

[00:30:36] like look um talking technologies that from the way now if you ask for my deep I'm not going to say personal opinion

[00:30:44] but let's say the the the opinion that I formed reading researching watching learning about that

[00:30:52] so for the past ten years uh my opinion is that I know it's going to sound cliché

[00:30:58] but we are the aliens simply because even if you listen to something I hate which you call mainstream science

[00:31:08] they themselves say that we have no idea how homo sapiens sapiens came to life because if you look at the

[00:31:15] official narrative of evolution even the scientists so-called scientists they're going to say well

[00:31:20] in ten thousand years we don't know how we went from I think it's homo erectus to homo sapiens

[00:31:26] it just happened like in in the back of an eye boom we suddenly grew to be super smart and learned

[00:31:32] to use tools and stuff but just that to me is a huge red flag it's like wait you want me to believe

[00:31:38] that well yeah you're teaching me that in school so you're basically installing a software in my brain

[00:31:44] that makes me think that okay that's the version and nothing is allowed outside of that but at the end

[00:31:49] of the day sometimes I don't know who said that but the most simple explanation is usually the best

[00:31:55] and to me it's like this genetic manipulation because we do it nowadays so what makes us

[00:32:02] what allows us not to think that higher more intelligent species came to earth and started to

[00:32:09] genetically alter whatever was here before so let's say homo erectus and they made us smarter and

[00:32:16] just now let us evolve so and and that's to go back to your questions are there still here and why

[00:32:23] are we not seeing them well look you're doing an experience like if you're creating life let's

[00:32:28] move that way and you want to see all how that life that you created evolved are you going to be

[00:32:33] around and be like hey I'm watching you I'm watching you I'm watching you know you're just going

[00:32:36] to stand outside and not interfere because you actually want to see how your creation is going

[00:32:40] to evolve and personal opinion I think that's the case I think we're a gigantic biological

[00:32:46] experience in that awesome beautiful laboratory that we call earth and that's it the

[00:32:53] so scientists yeah we're all aliens then what's the purpose of them taking one of their own to do

[00:33:01] further well you know exploration but why easy like do you sometimes go like how do you say

[00:33:09] in English like like take a blood do you do blood test right you go to doctors sometimes to

[00:33:14] check what's wrong with you all right what's wrong or well if everything goes fine well here's the

[00:33:18] same same thing like I think there's so many species and not necessarily it is like extra

[00:33:25] dimensional entities that have tinkered with the human what we call the human DNA because keep in

[00:33:30] mind the human DNA we're only using what 10% of it everything else is a a just junk DNA but

[00:33:37] it's not junk DNA it's just DNA that they don't want us to completely use because then we'll

[00:33:43] be anything but human but anyway all this to say that they just come and check on the experience

[00:33:48] on the yeah on the experience and on the the the guinea pig and again I'm not saying that in a bad

[00:33:53] way that's the thing here's the thing no it could be positive like they might just say exactly

[00:33:59] exactly exactly and I think of the evolution that for sure but like I was asking you if you have

[00:34:07] at any physical markings or pain and stuff and you said no and here's the thing no there's something

[00:34:12] in our brain called the reptilian brain that actually wasn't there before it's appeared out of nowhere

[00:34:18] and that reptilian brain is responsible for the fight or flee reaction in human beings and it's also

[00:34:26] responsible for basically being to make it really simple basically being scared of anything that

[00:34:32] doesn't look natural and that's again that's what happened to you like again you've been adopted

[00:34:37] and for structures that oh my god what's happening what's happening what's happening

[00:34:40] and and what's happening in a I was gonna say maybe stop if I'm wrong but in a fearful way right

[00:34:46] you were so right what's your explanation because you know coming on this podcast I've told the story

[00:34:52] only a handful of times I want to you know get from you in terms of what your perspective is on my

[00:34:58] experience and my situation why do you think in my situation that I can't remember being taken

[00:35:06] why would that be like why you don't remember everything in perfect details yeah why do I not

[00:35:12] remember it okay well first off let me put that out I'm not an expert like I don't consider myself

[00:35:16] an expert I'm passionate about that but I'm whatever I'm telling you is not going to be

[00:35:21] detruth right I just want to make that fear we're on the same page right

[00:35:26] yeah yeah I mean I was just looking to see whether you have any you know I have an opinion but it's

[00:35:33] not going to be detruth right because again I wasn't in your shoes I wasn't there and I can only

[00:35:39] give you my feeling about that so my feeling would be number one maybe you were not supposed to

[00:35:44] remember stuff and maybe something happened in there the way they sorry to say that but it's

[00:35:50] the way they operated on you something went wrong and now you remember parts of it maybe you weren't

[00:35:56] and they're other completely flipping the coin maybe you were supposed to remember

[00:36:01] and your presence here on that podcast and again with that whole thing that the reason we're all

[00:36:08] here is of what's happening to Noah and Sarah right now under the Denver Airport so they say

[00:36:14] it's again it's maybe that's the part of the whole the whole process of disclosure wished by some

[00:36:23] of those races wished by some of those extraterrestrial that want to actually to come out to the public but

[00:36:29] I have to do it in a very not subtle way but I have to do it in a gradual way because brother if they

[00:36:37] decide to just show up on the loan of the White House or above the F.O. Tower in Paris your bro that's

[00:36:44] gonna be mass panic and bro like if you think riots are bad like that's definitely not the best

[00:36:50] way to go so I don't know man like again it's either you weren't supposed to remember or maybe

[00:36:54] you were supposed to remember to be a spoke person for all the people that gets adopted and

[00:36:59] I don't bring your piece to the puzzle what do you think how do you feel about that I mean I'm

[00:37:03] starting to think that you were the one who abducted me French. No man it's not me I'd remember and

[00:37:10] if I was man bro I'd be all over the news selling people that hey we're not alone with never being

[00:37:14] and don't listen to the government because if you hear it on TV it's usually bullshit so actually

[00:37:19] I wouldn't be on TV today I think and so you know you speak of television you speak of you film TV media

[00:37:25] the way it's portrayed in movies why you think and maybe Marty you can sort of shed light on this as

[00:37:31] well but why is it that there there's been sort of this perspective on shapeshifting like the need

[00:37:37] to shape shift into humans if as French you was saying you know they're already amongst us in human

[00:37:44] form yeah it's an interesting concept and you write it is it is portrayed in a lot of science fiction

[00:37:50] and as well as you know like what would French you was saying in terms of you know the genetic manipulation

[00:37:57] and perhaps we are the product of these aliens we see that in things movies like Prometheus or even

[00:38:03] in Star Trek they discuss having these you know this one single race of humanoid aliens

[00:38:08] who have gone and spread their seeds for lack of a better term across the universe

[00:38:13] I I think the theory of you know

[00:38:21] trying to create something that is like us so that we don't have that fight or flight response

[00:38:27] to me makes sense because if you are trying to learn about a culture if you were trying to

[00:38:34] immerse yourself in that culture you can't really be an outsider because all of your interactions

[00:38:42] are going to be from the perspective of people seeing you as an outsider you kind of have to be

[00:38:47] integrated completely and I think that's where shapeshifting comes into play in terms of you know

[00:38:53] trying just trying to fit in really right right yeah yeah and and I guess like like one of the other

[00:39:00] things that leads me to in terms of question is the idea of the uncanny valley um you know

[00:39:06] because a lot of times at least in the media we see depictions of shapeshifting that aren't quite

[00:39:10] there you know it's kind of human but the mouth is off or the arms are a bit too long

[00:39:15] um and I'm wondering uh friendship in your research have you kind of come across any explanation

[00:39:21] for why we fear these things that are almost human well there's definitely okay first off

[00:39:29] there's definitely something I want to do because in my research quotation mark uh I've come

[00:39:36] across funny story that I'm going to show you many whistleblowers have always said that one of the

[00:39:42] biggest hub when it comes to deep underground uh military bases and uh ET abduction is around

[00:39:49] the Las Vegas area and many have said that whenever you go to Vegas have strong thought in your head

[00:39:59] of of saying loud in your head telepathically if there is an alien around me show yourself

[00:40:07] and keep repeating that over and over and over again and if and it's not if usually if you do that

[00:40:14] in Vegas you're definitely going to have an experience so that's that's one of my goal in my life

[00:40:18] I'm next time I mean Vegas I'm gonna be like thinking that so loud that hopefully I'm hopefully

[00:40:25] make contact or yeah like have an experience I've had a friend I'm not gonna say who they are

[00:40:31] but is that is that like the alien version of candy man like when you repeat candy man three times

[00:40:36] and comes out I'm sorry brother I even watched that movie so I can't really say

[00:40:42] but that is what it sounds like to me though yeah well I'm definitely going to watch that movie because

[00:40:48] as I was listening to you guys talking about movies and stuff what I love doing is watching movies

[00:40:52] and because in some of them it's actually disclosure but hidden in the under the veil of science

[00:41:01] fiction and entertainment and stuff because what so you mentioned about you Marta you mentioned

[00:41:07] the shapeshifting and why we scared of them and so that actually reminded me because again not

[00:41:14] disrespect to you two guys but yours you're thinking okay those entities are not human but they're

[00:41:22] hiding under a human mask again it's it's too simplistic to think this way there's there's

[00:41:32] like dozens of ways that they can be around us and we don't even notice them they can be invisible

[00:41:39] they can be like not in the spectrum of visible light and like hearing you guys talk about that

[00:41:46] reminded me of a movie that again I'm inviting you to watch yeah I found the idea that

[00:41:52] I can remember if it was on Amazon Prime or it wasn't Netflix might have been Amazon Prime or

[00:41:58] Disney plus maybe who knows anyway so in French it's called Lamitante and in English it's from

[00:42:04] it's a 1995 1995 movie called species oh yeah in America yo that movie is freaking great

[00:42:13] it like do you remember the movie Marta I do yeah yeah the whole story the whole synopsis is like to

[00:42:20] me to me and from again everything I've read and research is like it's full disclosure I got

[00:42:26] you see the movie Ryan yeah I mean if all aliens looked like Natasha Hinstridge that's incredible

[00:42:32] yeah well yeah but yeah but brother that's the entertainment part that they want you to focus

[00:42:36] about like I'm focusing on the actual story the story is well I want to know what you know why

[00:42:42] is it that my experience is so affiliated so closely affiliated them to what is being portrayed

[00:42:48] in film and television how do they know yeah it's interesting it's really interesting to me

[00:42:54] Frenchy that you specifically raised the movie species because yeah when we think about other

[00:43:01] you know creatures that showed up in escape and Denver the Chupacabra for example yeah one of

[00:43:07] the earliest reported eyewitness accounts of a Chupacabra was given by a woman who

[00:43:14] the description that she gave was identical to the alien from species which she had just seen in

[00:43:20] theaters so I think from a skeptics perspective if I'm if I'm putting that hat on does the media that

[00:43:30] we are seeing the science fiction media that we were seeing kind of influence what we are

[00:43:36] what what what abductees are reporting for example you know Ryan

[00:43:40] nah it's not did you believe in aliens before this happened

[00:43:44] I mean I was I was 11 so I mean everything terrifying I believed in everything like I believed

[00:43:49] in ghosts I mean as I grow older I mean I definitely am very skeptic of ghosts but I think that when

[00:43:56] it comes to aliens again as you mentioned earlier Marta there's no reason to believe that they

[00:44:01] don't exist but had you had you potentially you know watched any alien movies before that

[00:44:10] that time I know it's hard to recall what movies you watched yeah I watched it yeah I watched

[00:44:16] ET and movies like that but as I grow older I think what terrifies me more than watching fiction

[00:44:24] or work is documentaries and obviously French you mentioned documentaries I find document

[00:44:30] entries to be even more terrifying because there are accounts from real people so-called real people

[00:44:35] I think they're not actors that have very similar experiences to mine and so it's

[00:44:42] I think it's fascinating obviously as much of it is portrayed in fiction work I think

[00:44:48] the scariest thing is that people have had experiences very similar like the one that I've had

[00:44:55] but they're being told from the perspective of a real person I think that's the scariest of it all

[00:45:01] yeah you're mark to come back to your question again no disrespect again I accept and

[00:45:09] appreciate you being here but the way you phrased your question and basically what you were

[00:45:14] implying whether you think it or not that's exactly what the wow let's say I'm gonna use that

[00:45:20] term even though I hate it that's what the matrix wants you to think like basically you've basically

[00:45:25] said okay someone watches watches a movie and then by some mental subconscious process is

[00:45:33] gonna translate what he see what is seen in the movie into what happened to him I say that's it

[00:45:39] that's the other way around whatever they put in the movies is done so so that when someone actually

[00:45:47] has a real experience people around that person hearing about it think it's bullshit if you see

[00:45:54] where I'm coming from yeah so it goes really deep this is you know embedded within mainstream media

[00:46:00] that they are putting these images absolutely because at the end of the again I'm going back to the

[00:46:06] to the scientific experiments if we're just a gigantic experience right by a higher more intelligent

[00:46:13] species they're gonna want to protect again the illusion the matrix the bubble around the

[00:46:20] experience so they're gonna have specific way of controlling the population so wherever it's politics

[00:46:26] banking system entertainment Hollywood all that all that is just a gigantic part to prevent

[00:46:35] the lab rats to get out of the maze basically that's the best way to sum it up okay that's

[00:46:44] really really interesting to hear I do have a question kind of related to you know the fact that

[00:46:52] these these creatures you know have created us as as for lack of a better term yeah um Ryan

[00:47:00] and I'm wondering why do you think you were chosen for an abduction why why 11 year old Ryan

[00:47:08] that's a good question I'd love to hear that answer that is that is that is that is a good question

[00:47:13] I mean I only have theories I guess I was a young impressionable kid but I don't I don't see

[00:47:19] myself as a very special person in that way and so to answer that question I have no idea because

[00:47:26] it wasn't like I was particularly intelligent in any field that wasn't like you know first of my

[00:47:32] class of anything I was just sort of like a a loner kid that just hung out on my own so I actually

[00:47:39] you know this is this is baffling me as no one's ever asked me that that's that's very it's very

[00:47:45] interesting can I ask you something Ryan what's your family background like again I'm not gonna ask

[00:47:52] if you're rich or anything but you don't see where I'm going with that but is there anything special

[00:47:57] about your family like this is dysfunctional because okay obviously you know my mom separated from

[00:48:05] my dad early on yeah you know when I was like eight or nine and so it's it's it's been very very

[00:48:14] dysfunctional in the sense that my dad's gone now and so yeah well the reason I'm asking that because

[00:48:20] again and seeing what's happening supposedly under Denver to Noah and Sarah is sometimes you know when

[00:48:29] some people have specific genetics they tend to be more susceptible to being abducted or tested on

[00:48:38] simply because their bloodline is special or they have something in their DNA that makes them more

[00:48:46] interesting to people whoever that's the case for you Ryan or that's the case for Noah and Sarah

[00:48:53] that that would be that would be definitely something like something to do to dig and to study because

[00:48:59] yeah well it's interesting to do special people know that they're special I guess that's another

[00:49:04] perspective exactly because I feel like you know when I you know look at what I do now I'm a normal

[00:49:12] middle middle age joy as like 36 year old guy just doing what I do but like I don't I don't

[00:49:19] feel more special than anyone else yeah I guess it's a counterpoint that idea if you were

[00:49:27] performing an experiment a mass experiment that's you know cross billions of people wouldn't

[00:49:32] you want to have the average as the baseline and wouldn't you necessarily not want the special one

[00:49:38] when you want just a normal person well that's a good question but at the end of the day again if you

[00:49:44] were running an experience on billions of people a don't because eight seven or eight billions of people

[00:49:51] all came from one individual to start with right true do we agree on that like the the origin at the

[00:49:59] end of the day again if you if you start an experiment there's always that original creation so technically

[00:50:06] I'm saying we we we're all special that's the thing some more than others definitely but we're

[00:50:12] all special we all have it in us so again that's again that's a thing like some there's I'm sure

[00:50:20] a personal opinion I'm sure there's thousands and thousands of people that get adopted every

[00:50:26] year every day they just don't remember it but but frankly you mentioned genetics and people who are

[00:50:32] intellectually superior to others and so do you think in your opinion that every smart person I mean

[00:50:38] I'm I would say that I'm average in terms of how intelligent I am and I did well and up in school but

[00:50:44] it wasn't like you know you know full full a's or whatever but like in your opinion pretty much

[00:50:53] are all the hyper intellectual people in this world like can we just assume that the railing

[00:50:59] ends I guess now well again if that's how you understood what I was saying maybe I didn't phrase

[00:51:06] the right way again English is not my native language right I didn't imply special bloodlines

[00:51:13] special genetics special families as in their more intelligent I was just implying about again

[00:51:21] their specific genetics and okay long story short again and that's actually a good point because

[00:51:26] recently they like the voice message from Noah started to mention Nibiru are you guys aware of the

[00:51:32] whole Nibiru and Anu Naki stories like where it comes from and what yeah yeah it's the theory that

[00:51:39] there's a secret you know ninth or theorize ninth planet now technically it's 12th planet 12th

[00:51:46] it reacts yeah okay it's again it's from Zikariazicin mid of the middle of the 90s again it's a

[00:51:53] whole story like we could do a whole podcast about that but long story short Zikariazicin with I think

[00:51:59] he was only sure Eastern Europe or German or anyway he translated the Samarian or so they say

[00:52:07] it he translated the Samarian tablets maybe it was just a front front man for the message that

[00:52:15] the the matrix wanted to put out to the people but again that's another topic but anyway Zikariazicin

[00:52:22] so translated those Samarian tablets and in one of those I think was Enuma Elish I think there's

[00:52:28] again there's so much information in my brain in one of those tablets they basically explain how

[00:52:34] humanity was created by a race of people coming from the sky the Anu Naki which technically means in

[00:52:40] ancient Sumerian if I'm not mistaken Anu Naki those who from heaven came to earth and so they

[00:52:48] came on earth because they needed gold to they need to mine gold to save their own planet Nibiru

[00:52:53] because the atmosphere was effed up over there and they needed monotomic gold to save their planet

[00:53:00] and they started mining gold on earth and it became too hard for them so they started to revolt

[00:53:05] against their kingship and so one of the scientists there called Enki which was one of the son of

[00:53:12] Anu which was the headmaster of the Anu Naki be like hey you know what let me study and try to create

[00:53:20] a race slave so we don't have to do the work and that's it so they found some semi intelligent

[00:53:27] monkeys on earth and they mixed their DNA with them to make them smarter smart enough to be

[00:53:32] able to use tools and mine gold for them but not smart enough to revolt and understand that hey we're

[00:53:39] smarter than we're smarter and stronger than what we are so again that's the whole story of the

[00:53:44] whole Anu Naki stuff and I don't even know why I was saying that where were we before that

[00:53:49] um we were talking about the average intelligence yeah there we go so you have the idea of bloodlines

[00:53:57] awesome there we go thank you very much part of again sorry my brain is sometimes going every

[00:54:01] direction it's totally fair I was gonna say it's a nightmare definitely not like the kind of nightmare

[00:54:07] you had right and I'm not saying it was one yeah seriously it seems like uh seems like you're

[00:54:11] I mean you seem like a high for intelligent person to me I don't know if I'm hypertension but my

[00:54:19] brain is like a hard drive I just record information I just opened the folder when I needed but anyway

[00:54:24] all these to say that again to finish on the bloodline stuff well basically some of the first

[00:54:29] creations of those Anu Naki that came on earth like again they again but that again we can go

[00:54:36] now into religion the first being that they created what's called the Adamu which was the first

[00:54:42] whatever first slave and again Adamu makes you think of Adam the first man that you find in the

[00:54:49] Bible so again all that is created again you take the Bible it's exactly the same story that you

[00:54:54] find in the Samaritan tabledges the name changes and it's complete joke but anyway all

[00:55:00] these to say that those first creation the Adamu that were direct in a way in a way direct descendant

[00:55:08] of those gods coming from heaven because again if you look at all the metallurgies around the world

[00:55:14] what are the gods oh they higher being that came from the sky what the hell does that tell you

[00:55:20] to me that doesn't scream it's UFOs what else does right so anyway those first creation from

[00:55:28] were direct descendant from the uh from the gods coming from the coming from the sky and

[00:55:34] that those descendant created bloodlines that throughout histories managed through secret societies

[00:55:41] and again way of operating in the shadows basically remain at the controls of society as we know

[00:55:49] it nowadays and that's what I mean by specific genetics because again what started with maybe

[00:55:55] a few dozen individuals now we're eight billion so of course the whole purity of the bloodline that

[00:56:03] diluted throughout history were so many again living beings right now on earth but that's why

[00:56:10] and that goes back now to all the royal families why do they think they want to keep their blood

[00:56:15] pure and why do they all marry in between their royal bloodlines itself some people say it's because

[00:56:21] they want to keep the bloodline pure and because those specific bloodlines are specific powers or

[00:56:26] capacities and again I'm telling you that what's awesome and I think uh I don't know on my head

[00:56:32] I don't know where you guys want to go after that but I was going to say that's a good way to

[00:56:36] like finish the conversation at that point is that when you get into UFOs and it is it just opens up

[00:56:43] your mind and your field of vision to everything that's happening has happened and will happen

[00:56:51] on this planet if that's really a planet we're on I haven't been to space I can say if it's round

[00:56:57] I can't say if it's flat I don't know and or in my I was going to say my online communities nobody

[00:57:05] knows either we just keep an open mind that's a that's a various do you think of putting it um

[00:57:14] and it's yeah it's you really you're speechless I know that that's one of my favorite hobbies that

[00:57:24] again so this respect but taking skeptics and turning them into well speechless hungry for

[00:57:32] information human beings because that's what that's what we're here for we're here to learn

[00:57:37] where spiritual beings having a human experience and that means we're here to learn enjoy life number

[00:57:44] one but also learn and get better so Martha if I'm helping you right now trying to expand your horizon

[00:57:50] and want to know more well mission accomplished and you Ryan if I helped you somehow try to

[00:57:56] see clear or at least accept that experience as a gift instead of a curse again same mission accomplished

[00:58:02] I mean honestly I don't see it as as a curse at all I see it as a positive because I mean I

[00:58:07] mean I again I mentioned that I have no physical markings it wasn't painful it was it was

[00:58:12] traumatic in the sense that I experienced it but I'm still not sure how it informed the rest

[00:58:17] of my life again I never you know it never happened to me again I didn't have the dreams again

[00:58:25] usually I would imagine you know especially if it's patriona media people will you know get those

[00:58:31] flashbacks again of that time period in which it happened but I didn't it never happened again

[00:58:38] yeah well maybe what's supposed to be that way or maybe again I get up I know you're afraid of

[00:58:43] that definitely well first off I wish I had that experience bro because then I would have tried to

[00:58:50] communicate hey guys if you're hearing me I'm here like I'll be down and but only the good ones

[00:58:57] all of course because sometimes it's not so I was gonna say even if it wasn't necessarily for you

[00:59:03] but sometimes it's not so enjoyable and again we didn't talk about that but also the thing is

[00:59:10] sometimes again I don't want to go too deep into that because then it's we go in a completely

[00:59:15] different direction but sometimes they're not even actually actual it is there are humans that

[00:59:21] portray themselves as it is just to scare the population and again reinforce that narrative that

[00:59:27] oh it is our bad and there's gonna be an invasion one day and when that happens the whole world

[00:59:33] has to unite so we can have a new world older and stuff like that so I was like human shape shifting

[00:59:39] into well in my form some of them they're just where like super advanced how it would make up stuff

[00:59:47] like there's been stories of that but yo that's it like I don't like the the the average population

[00:59:56] do not realize what's actually possible because at the end of the day you got to think that

[01:00:03] there's some good saying from military whistleblowers that say that if you see like a technological

[01:00:11] technological advancement in mainstream population that means that they've had it in the secret

[01:00:17] military programs for at least 50 to 70 years so imagine how advanced they are right now

[01:00:23] well well thank you why is it that they're keeping it from us obviously I mean you know

[01:00:28] there's a secret information but why not why is it so guarded well the main reason is to keep

[01:00:36] us enslaved because at the end of the day again to make it very very very very simple if you have a

[01:00:41] craft that can actually like travel across galaxies in a matter of an instant like not even not even

[01:00:50] minutes seconds right anyone that has a brain or a few neurons to think is going to wonder okay but

[01:00:56] what kind of fuel do they use so the answer for that would be most of the time free energy like

[01:01:04] Nikola Tesla was working on and so now if you realize that we've had that technology for at least

[01:01:10] 70 years you're wondering okay so if there's a way to travel across the the whole space and the

[01:01:18] whole galaxy for free technically not using gas or coal or anything or nuclear fusion why don't we

[01:01:29] have it right now in the mainstream population where they keep telling us oh carbon is bad and you

[01:01:36] have to stop using like mechanical cars and use electric and stuff because they want to control

[01:01:41] because as long as you got to pay every month your electric bill and your gas for your car and all

[01:01:46] that you gotta keep working so they have the tech it's all financial it's all financial bro there's no

[01:01:54] for a monthly energy right so they have the the tech that they've been hiding 70 years that they

[01:02:00] can travel across galaxies and I still need to take the bus to work is that exactly what I'm saying

[01:02:07] and at the end of the day they don't really care whether we believe in it is or not all they want

[01:02:12] is they want to again again I want to make that clear because the one in trouble you know I don't

[01:02:17] want to have some people come knock on my door have some black helicopter flying over my house and

[01:02:22] stuff but again I'm I was gonna say I have nothing against that I'm just stating facts here right

[01:02:28] and I'm not the one saying them like there's dozens of whistleblower saying that but yeah like it's

[01:02:34] bro they just want to keep control of again the the slave the experience the the lab rats the

[01:02:41] high where you want to call that and money and the whole banking system is the best way to do that

[01:02:46] because then again man once once you start opening your eyes and just watching how the world works

[01:02:54] right now you definitely see that something's really wrong and yeah that's part of it I think I

[01:03:01] think that's a really interesting segue into you know as we as we wrap this up I kind of want to

[01:03:06] pose one final question to both of you you know obviously we know where you both stand in terms of

[01:03:12] your belief of the UFOs and aliens who maybe existing on earth but my question is do you think they're

[01:03:21] here to help or do you think they're here to harm I think if they were I think if they were here to

[01:03:29] harm we wouldn't be here anymore so I think they're either using us for research to evolve the species

[01:03:37] as it is or I mean I think there is no war actually I don't think that they're here to harm us at

[01:03:43] all they can't because if they were here to harm us why why again Marna would we still be here

[01:03:49] exactly friendship how about yourself how long do you have for me to answer that question

[01:03:56] uh let's see if we can get it in a couple of minutes well two minutes oh well that's going to be

[01:04:05] done whenever something happens to a living being that has a soul and something violent there's a

[01:04:15] there's a a an energetic trouble again that's a that's the wrong answer we we need a whole

[01:04:24] podcast a little bit long story short again um I think we're protected I think

[01:04:31] where humanity is only allowed to go so far into deep sh it as we're not gonna mess things up

[01:04:42] for too many people around us if I'm being clear and I'll give you a perfect story everybody's

[01:04:47] heard about the Roswell crash and incident right do you know the date oh gosh 1941

[01:04:56] seven 1947 why did that happen and again I'm just quoting many we saw blowers and many boobs

[01:05:04] and interviews and testimonies that have happened about that basically when uh the Americans started

[01:05:12] toying with the atomic bomb what's an atomic bomb it's when basically when you split an atom okay we

[01:05:18] were we were you following me so when you split the atom in our physical reality what happens is

[01:05:25] that you got a gigantic explosion killing thousands if not millions of people okay but on a

[01:05:33] quantum level when you split the atom what happens on earth like a atomic bomb going off

[01:05:41] is gonna have ripple effects on the other side of the galaxy so what happened is that when we started

[01:05:46] being stupid with atomic bombs we actually messed up technologies from civilization and it is

[01:05:54] however you want to call that at the other far side of the galaxy so that's when

[01:05:58] UFO sightings really started to go high numbers because basically all those more advanced

[01:06:06] uh societies or civilization came to earth and we're like okay what are the monkeys doing down there

[01:06:13] like what the hell like they messed up our stuff and there were so many sightings at that time period

[01:06:19] like in that was 47 so two years after Hiroshi Managasaki and uh that eventually some of them had

[01:06:26] oh like I think that's another way to look at it either they had technological problem and then

[01:06:31] you had that crash at Roswell or they were like okay now they don't realize that they're not the

[01:06:37] long universe let's throw them a bone let's throw them one of our craft let let it crash on earth and

[01:06:43] see how they deal with that and that's why it ended up giving uh giving birth to Majeg the Majestic

[01:06:49] 12 group and the whole secret space program and the whole again uh UFO cover-up that they're

[01:06:57] barely starting to put out in the news right now what 70 80 years later so yeah so um yeah

[01:07:06] so whether they're good or bad I think some are watching us they keep a close eye some definitely

[01:07:14] want to do bad things but I think there are other entities that actually protect us but they can

[01:07:19] do it they cannot they're not allowed to do it in a direct way and yeah they they got to find ways

[01:07:26] and yeah so again that's a vast question like uh we could spend like our stocking about that but yeah

[01:07:33] I hope I have good aliens versus bad aliens maybe they can just yeah well from what the whistle

[01:07:38] blowers says like only 5% are really bad like 5% 5% are really bad 5% are really good and there's 90

[01:07:46] percent I don't really give a crap just like you would be exactly yeah exactly a lot of parallels there

[01:07:54] makes sense be if we come from them we're just like them as above so be low guys

[01:08:00] and that I think is a fantastic place for us to wrap up this conversation uh Ryan Tann and

[01:08:06] Franci I want to thank you both so much this has been really eye-opening experience for myself

[01:08:12] and hopefully for our listeners who will go out and Shlez as I'm going to do um who are going

[01:08:19] to go out and do their own independent research on this um I really appreciate you both sharing

[01:08:23] your opinions and your stories and thank you everyone for for listening I really hope that this

[01:08:27] gives you something to kind of think about in your own time uh thank you so much for listening

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