Kev & Art | Discussion Combustion Podcast | #269

[00:00:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Discussion Combustion.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya boy is back and I'm not talking about the gunman and Kevin's seat, I'm talking about

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: this boy back from across the pond on a little vacay last week.

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Kev was doing some major creation when I was out of town, solid work.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That was a good time.

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It was solid work man.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya thanks Greg Langley for sticking with me last week because I was telling Art we

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: had some difficulties getting that thing to work with the zoom and you know some of

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: the things I had to do to get that episode to work was just, it was fun though,

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it gave me a challenge to work on.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to create content.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Because like for a bit I was like the universe doesn't want DCPC without Art.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like the show must go on.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You were like I'm still going to do it.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I had to find a way.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And you did find a way.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's like a good lesson in life.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's, and we were talking about this prior to hopping on mic, you know when

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you make a decision and you try to do it, the universe is generally going to test

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: you to see your resilience if you're really about that shit.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya know?

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Every time.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You move to a new place, you start a new job, you quit drinking, whatever.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a challenge.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It just is.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Like life is always going to come at us.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we don't normally record these solos anymore.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course this is the foundation of how discussion combustion started.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Except I would be sitting next to you.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's you and I chatting.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like, you know, this is easier on our necks though.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's easier on the necks.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Way easier on the neck.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to look at you all the time when I'm doing editing and you got to look

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: at me all the time and now you really get to look at me.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Now Kevin and I, we've been doing this show a very long time.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, since we were doing some networking tonight, I feel like it was just a good

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_00]: opportunity to catch up on us.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we don't really talk about us too much on Discussion Cabush and I was doing

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: raw talk for a little bit.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's coming back though.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's still some good episode ideas here so I feel like I'm going

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to probably do another one here in a little bit.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been getting questions.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: People are like, what happened to raw talk?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya know?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're going to have to talk to Arthur.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's his deal.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's something that I wanted to do while I had the energy to do it.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to force myself to just record shows just to record it.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You know?

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: No, that makes sense.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not that type of show.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what this show is.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And even this, like we don't always record it just to record it.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Not anymore.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, because it's like we got Happy Friday.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Now that one drops weekly.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't stop the Happy Friday drop.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just a fun show.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It really is.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I get to put on the glasses and look like Mr. America.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just fun.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a good time.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And ya know, just talking about some fun things.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy it.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I still like doing the scripting and stuff.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fun too.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I was having some revelations on Happy Friday on the flight back.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, ya know, I really want to find meaningful information to put in

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: there or interesting that I actually have a major interest in.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Rather than just filling four articles a week?

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Just throwing it in there.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: There would be times where I'll be doing that and I feel like there's an opportunity.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I could even do a raw talk on Happy Friday.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Like a raw talk section.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya, you could.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Like where it's just this real quick thing.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I was also thinking about maybe doing like a weekly affirmation section.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You know?

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: For Happy Friday?

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like here's your weekly affirmation.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, something like that.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of always doing the today in history.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun segment though.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like that segment.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I know people get a lot of factoids out of it.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do it last week with Clint Gershenson.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He did a great job.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Ya, thanks again Clint for filling in there too.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: We were busy last week man.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: We had to keep it moving.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a busy week.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me how Sweden went.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know I've already told you but not on mic.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the more surprising things is I really like how they do toilet paper

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: in Sweden.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: What's the biggest difference?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So, out here we got the square.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Out there it was rectangular.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like longer.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Each piece?

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya, each piece was like rectangular and longer.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is only for expert toilet paper users.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Because everyone uses TP but not everybody uses it right.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's subject to debate.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you wad your toilet paper to wipe, that's a fail in my mind.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a waste.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a waste.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: If it's based on fail or pass on like resourcefulness?

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: If you wrap, if you wrap to wipe.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That's even more of a waste.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's also a waste.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a bigger waste than wadding.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It could be.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It depends how big is your wad.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that's the thing.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're an expert TP folder, and look you might risk getting some fecal

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: matter on your fingers from time to time.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean you're taking a poop this is why we wash our hands.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But you have folded.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So here in America with the square I do three squares.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I fold those, I wipe, I check, I do a fold and then I wipe.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And then depending how messy that is I might be able to get a third fold in and then

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: an additional wipe.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Out there I could get away with just two squares because they were longer.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And they were thick enough?

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya, they were thick enough too.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Because the single ply like the scot tissue here, the single?

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's no good.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Your finger's gonna blast straight through that using your technique.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya, ya.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: In the hotel it was good and some of the public bathrooms it was that shitty, you

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: know like there wasn't even like, you know, there's no sheets it's just one long roll

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that you custom rip.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I did like the toilet paper out there.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Look they pay up to 40-50% in tax, all the citizens do.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So the public transportation is the shit out there.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's super clean, super clean out here on the Denver public transportation.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it might smell like urine on that bus.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not as well maintained.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Not as well maintained.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So the public transportation out there was legit.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: The walking culture and like biking, the no car culture, I really loved that.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a very, it was a huge city though.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Stockholm's massive.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Ya, so you know Denver's not really built like that.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: There are some really walkable cities in the United States where it's like ya I could just,

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even need a drive.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I could just walk and get to my groceries, everything.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But I really liked the walking culture out there a lot.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: The old architecture was super cool.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The food was very western as far as what I had.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: There was some more unique things like the Swedish meatballs of course you had

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to have.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The mousse, I mean I saw you guys sent me a menu.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: The mousse looked the best to me.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: It was smoked so it tasted like smoked meat.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a unique flavor.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh huh.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But we did go on a mousse tour to a mousse farm which was really cool.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The mousse man was holding it down out there and basically this guy's story is he had

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: like some farms with animals and at one point there was like an injured mousse

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that he had taken in to like rescue, right?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Back to health?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when he was doing that he started thinking about like a mousse farm and he told

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: this story.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: His wife didn't want him to do it.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: He did it anyway.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That's alpha.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Full send.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That's being centered.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Full send.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And he became one of the first to do it.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The main thing was getting permission from the government and making sure that they

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: had all the safety regulations.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So one thing on the mousse farm because they bring out these tractors and like

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: three big trailers that have seats in the middle.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's two rows of people sitting in each looking outward, right?

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Is how the trailer worked?

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's all open so you could pet the mousse.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty cool.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But the one rule is like you could touch their antlers, you could touch their shoulders

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: wherever but do not touch their butts or else you're gonna get kicked by this

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: massive mammal.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna hurt.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And one thing I learned about mousse is that they have blood flow within their antlers.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I knew that.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So their antler is warm to the touch and they can feel whatever touches their antlers.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't necessarily know that they could feel through the antler but I knew the

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: blood kind of went through it.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so really cool big animals.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Massive.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: There's been a lot of hunting of them so their you know numbers have dropped

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: but.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So they can hunt mousse in Sweden?

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They can.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's like a special season for it.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know their firearm laws over there but I'd imagine it's rather difficult to

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: get a long rifle over in Sweden to go kill these animals.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You know you probably have to get like some kind of hunter's license and you know

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: permission to own the firearm that way.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe they're bow hunting.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah maybe.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Archery.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That would be pretty badass.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Crossbow or something.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But the police out there, like I didn't see anybody walking around strapped.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think I saw like only a couple cops that had firearms.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Surprising.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So it felt extremely safe out there in the city too because you know sometimes when you

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: travel somewhere and you're a foreigner you're like you know am I going to get

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: jumped?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Am I going to get mugged?

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't really go into any dangerous neighborhoods.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I did go out of the touristy areas a couple times but most people spoke English.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So I would recommend traveling to Stockholm.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a really great city.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful city.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful people.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful culture.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Very friendly.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Just be prepared for that extremely long travel day going there and back.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That was tough.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm still dealing with the jet lag a little bit.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a big change for sure.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think probably the other thing to note just about that part of the world

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: is like the latitude of it.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we were talking about Stockholm is the same as Anchorage.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the same as Anchorage, Alaska.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So in other words they get like you were mentioning the really long winters.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of darkness.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of cold temperatures.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously a lot of snowfall.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So that part of Europe though, that's to be expected.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and or anywhere in the world that's up north like that.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And so everyone they like celebrate midsummer is what they call it.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Midsummer.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Summer?

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah midsummer.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's some interesting culture stuff out there that they celebrate with that.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But no one celebrates during the winter because it's just dark.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So people basically hibernate.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they're just in their houses.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't really sound that good though.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great place to visit but everyone was like oh you picked the best time to visit

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: because the summers get pretty hot.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So props to my brother for selecting one of the better times to go out there.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a really fun trip.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It was a great experience because I've been there when I was eight years old.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Never there as an adult.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually can remember this trip.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost 30 years later.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it was a really good time man.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of air travel though.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like those 20 hours, 16 hours of traveling in one day.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that will take it out of you a little bit.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What did you do to kill the time in the airplane?

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I know like I do a lot of regional flights Phoenix, Dallas, Kansas City.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: That's nothing.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You're up in the air you goof off for 40 minutes you're landing.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's easy.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what are you doing for six, seven, eight hours in the air?

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So on my flight there I proceeded to drink red wine.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh you did.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So British Airways they're hooking it up.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was just listening to music drinking kind of having fun.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that sounds fun.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know just kind of hanging out man no big deal.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: On the way back I was watching some movies and just thinking about life and you know

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: how am I going to really make an impact on my personal happiness when I get home.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know out there I was like drinking having fun on the flight back I was like

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: getting into like the...

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Tightened up mode.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like let's we got a lot to do.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: How are we going to do it the best that we can?

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And talking about doing things the best man you don't really have a chance to talk

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_00]: about this too much on DCPC when we have our guest but you have what hit a hundred

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: days no booze?

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it'll be if it's not today tomorrow a hundred.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's where a celebration.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Cheers to that man.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that for any beer drinker that's trying to get off you know drinking

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The cans I mean I did it during Sober October which we've done a few times on this program.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Such an easy move lateral substitution.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm used to cracking cans burping seltzers that single handedly has been the biggest

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_00]: crutch is the seltzers.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Is the carbonation?

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and just the cans.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Just having that cold can reaching into the fridge just substituting beer with

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: seltzers in a can.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Has made my home life and being here a lot easier.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know but I feel good.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel really good.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean what's what's awesome and we were talking about this a little bit too

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but like you know you made it public and a lot of people.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I don't want to say wanted to see you fail but a lot of people expected

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_00]: there to be a larger struggle to this.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So you were working on it a long time though before you actually made the move.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like you just stopped drinking one day.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like you built up to that.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and I wasn't pressured into it.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: There was no like hey you need to do this for a job or you need to do this to

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: save a marriage or you know whatever religious reasons.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't any of that it was just a personal choice.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're right I did have a lot of years to prepare for it.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah mentally when you were cutting down like months ahead.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like you're slowing it down.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop drinking here which was good because I mean you know I said this last

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: week when Greg was on the air but the amount of times I left the studio

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: intoxicated.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The amount of times I was intoxicated on the air like I'm not going to

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: bullshit about it.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It was it was borderline dangerous.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah we'd you know I'd be here sometimes 11 o'clock at night just

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: drunk as a skunk and then I'd drive home go drink more.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and do podcast uploads or something.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy man.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We would catch the couch because I was there with you like yeah you were

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: there with me through a lot of I was drinking heavy for a while on this.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: It made it it made it kind of easy too.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you know a lot of folks say they got to remove their drinking buddies or

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: they got to change who they surround their time with.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately I haven't felt that way because I mean for the most part our

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: friend group are not drinkers.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know go out to a bar and shoot some pool here and there go out for

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a bite to eat you know at a bar whatever.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's not a problem but I know some people have to completely alienate

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: anybody that still drinks uses whatever to do their lifestyle and that

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: hasn't been the case.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean that's that's how I was with like opiates and shit like I

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: don't want to be around people if they're on that shit.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even I don't want to I don't want to see it.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You could do your shit but like I don't want to be around that.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and people act differently on it.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's true.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And same with booze like people especially people act differently on

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: alcohol too than they do.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just more readily available.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes socially accepted.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And I work in the industry and I'm very fortunate to be in this

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: industry still a great industry.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I still you know I don't have problem with people drinking.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I think alcohol is an industry it's not going anywhere has a huge place as far

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: as you know events tastings recreational drinking.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any problem with it.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that's just a personal choice for me that alcohol was not treating me

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: well.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know I don't gag anymore.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I started every day like gagging.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be coming in here you know sucking down beers in our little get

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: ready room just trying to get some alcohol and be gagging through it.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't good there for a bit.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I did really good at hiding it.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you know you're like functionally getting wasted after work and like

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: still being able to maintain and go to work and like still handle functioning

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: alcoholic.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah and then just feeling really rough coming in here we have a show to

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: do some guests or whatever.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like fuck I got to somehow choke down four beers so I don't feel like

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna throw up.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like I'm going to throw up when I drink these beers.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a weird place.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Alcoholism and just addiction in general.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you can attest to this with the mind will do the excuses and the

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: things you'll convince yourself of to get your drug or whatever your fix is.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and so I've talked a lot about this you know coming clean off opiates

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and shit like going through the gray.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: How was like that first couple weeks for you when you fully stopped the

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: fountain of booze.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I mean there's no sugar coating it sucked.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I would say not the first few weeks the first seven days are the

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: worst.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: First week was rough rough because you're going through the physical dependency.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Day three for me was the worst 72 hour mark sleep was terrible sweating

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: anxiety heart palpitations irregular breathing patterns just horrible

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: thoughts.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I remember you telling me like you're like dude like I'm fucking

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: sweating in my sleep.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It was rough.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Rough rough.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I didn't go into a seizure or anything like that.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I know some folks like it's only because you weaned off of it.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I did.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you started taking days off during the week.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just cold turkey.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't recommend cold turkey.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't either.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But just let go slow it goes slow and a lot of folks do the cold

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: turkey and I think that's almost harder because your body goes

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: through such a period of withdrawal you know that it's easier to

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: relapse I think if you just go cold turkey but everybody's

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: different.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's this exact path for everyone to overcome

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: addiction.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Well you have to you have to kind of keep failing and then you

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: know refine your motivation.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's wild and I know I like have been open about a lot

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: of this but like for me like when the pandemic happened and

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like all my hooks for painkillers were kind of disappearing

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: or getting hard to get a hold of.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was going through periods where I would only have

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it once a month and then you know I'd still be looking

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: forward to it super excited to do it that one time that

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: month.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But then like that actually ended up being like a godsend

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to where it's like I wasn't having withdraws and like I could

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: go two months without it.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually like I took it and I was like I don't even

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking want this shit anymore like it's stupid.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And then never turn back dude I'm almost four years here

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: this coming February dog is amazing fucking four years off

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that bullshit.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to feel good.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh it makes me want to cry any anytime I think about it

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Well so it's a big it's a big part of life game you

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: know.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes that's huge.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So like you going you're going to hit this year off off

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: alcohol because that was the original goal right.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Was take take a year off drinking and then you know

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: with that type of time off like your relationship how you

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: view this substance is going to fundamentally change and

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: then you'll be drinking more responsibly if you choose

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to even do that.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know only you'll make that decision when you get

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: there.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like it was it's an important thing to bring

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_00]: up and kind of talk about like what it was like for

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: you.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Well how's it going.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you giving me some time to chat about it.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I mean it's not I guess I was a little more

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: excited like the first few weeks like every time I

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: would see that week milestone week two week three

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: week four I was like oh man that's so much time.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And now that like you know I'm at the 90 100 day

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: wherever I'm at it's not like the milestones don't

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: feel as exciting.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's almost like well no shit.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You did two you did three of course you're going to

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: do 100 days 200 whatever.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Now and now it almost seems like OK this is just

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: becoming life.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't feel as much like OK we got to just

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: limp this thing to the finish line because there's

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a beer waiting for me there.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel that way anymore.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's been a fundamental life change.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Where Sober October I was always counting down two

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: more weeks two more weeks and then I'll have

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that refreshing beer.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get fucked up in two weeks.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of crazy how I mean look we're

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_00]: growing older we're more mature we're in our

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: 30s and shit like I'm late 30s myself like

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: the priorities have changed.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And and in the last year like I wanted to be a

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: hell yes man.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I want to say yes to everything.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was I was saying yes to most things and I

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: had some great experiences doing that like I

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_00]: think that everybody should just do some

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: things that are out of your comfort zone.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: For at least a little while 100 percent like

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: it's important like but I'm really looking

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: forward to saying no to stuff.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That's also fun.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really looking for so that's that's my

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: live in 25 is saying no is saying no is saying

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: no to shit.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Just say no.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm going to I'm really looking forward

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: to just doing what I want to do and that's

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: it.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know but I didn't learn any of

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: this by not doing anything.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I learned this by doing a whole lot of

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: everything.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm realizing OK like you know I

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: did that.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know so priorities kind of shift as we

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: grow older and it's just like if you're

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: doing the same shit that you're doing in

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_00]: your 20s like I don't know if there's if

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: there's actually happiness and fulfillment

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: there.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people get stuck to that lifestyle

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's easy.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: The party lifestyle is fun.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to do because you can always

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: find drugs you can always find a party.

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know but priorities change within the

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: group and I think that's why so many

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: people grow apart.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You lose touch with old friends because

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: they quit drinking or they got married

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and so on whatever life priorities change.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think the whole same makes sense.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know you have fun in your 20s and

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: early 30s or whatever and then most

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: people settle down whatever that looks

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like to them.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: To me settling down just means I'm not

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: putting drugs and alcohol into my body.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah right.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still chasing the things I was

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: chasing in my 20s and 30s.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm working hard focused on those goals

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you know and I think that's it is

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: just finding the thing that keeps you

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: moving forward without the drugs and

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: alcohol per se.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah because that's what we did in

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: our 20s and 30s.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We still got shit done.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know I would say compared to some

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: some folks that end up you know not

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: doing so well.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah for the most part I grew up

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: turned out pretty good I think.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You know and.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Motivation.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Is addictive like when you see

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_00]: people that are crushing it

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're handling their business

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're fucking finding a new

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: resilience and happiness and joy

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: to just existing without all that

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like input bullshit like all the

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_00]: drugs and shit like that is

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: motivating.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you know and but to live it

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: is not easy because you know there's

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: always going to be those hard days

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's going to be those days

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: when you don't want to do this shit

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but you got to go do it anyway man.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But there's also a freedom to that

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_00]: because and this this this thought

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: has just been running around my

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_00]: head for like the last week and

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: half a lot

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and that is when you stop caring

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_00]: what other people think about you

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: then that's when you actually find

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: true freedom to be yourself.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you know and so I've been like

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_00]: picking my nose in public and like

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: farting in front of people.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And like just like I had to pick

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: my nose right there and I don't care

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: what anybody else like you ain't

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: ever picked your nose like you can

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: judge me for that half a second but

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you still like you know

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: would have love for me if we had

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: a conversation.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's like little things like

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: that like I don't need to be grotesque

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: right right but that's just kind of

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: an extreme example of like not

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: caring what other people think

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: because I feel uncomfortable right

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: now and I know I could get that

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: boogie out.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: The boogers got to go you know

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're sure that's just an

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: example.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good example though of being

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: full sent own it yourself within

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: within like a parameter if you had

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: a fancy dinner you're probably not

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: going to rip a loud fart.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_00]: No you know right so no but

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you're still there's a there's a

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: way to fart without making it

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: super loud.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's true but if it's going to be

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: one that really reeks you're

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: probably rolling the dice you're

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: rolling the dice rolling the dice

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you might ruin some suppers.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But if you make it you know it's kind

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: of silent like how are they going to

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_00]: know how they're going to know who

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: did it as long as you can keep that

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that Kevin face.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Man I used to do that a lot in

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: grocery though because I'd be hung

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: over beer farts in there.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I apologize to any co-workers

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that work with me in grocery or

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: customers that come in man I would

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: wreck the pasta sauce.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I know you know for example let one

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: go and then a customer come right

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: down right in my crop dust.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like oh I'm sorry you

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: know it's early in the morning you

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: got the tutes but I agree with you

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: just kind of not caring what people

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: think as much.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah some people never get there I

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: think.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Well yeah and like the pick in your

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: nose farting that's a silly example but

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's a good example though.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It goes down to like really the

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: fundamentals of like

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_00]: once you stop being obsessed with

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: what everybody else

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: what you think they think about you

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: because like what you think they think

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: about you you don't know that that

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is definitively what anyone thinks

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's true.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know so like you're filling up

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_00]: your head with like basically just

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: meaningless thought processes on what

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you think people think.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So once you remove that then you can

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: actually focus on yourself

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and like agree and that's the thing

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: too is like the whole comparing

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself and like using social media

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and being like looking at other

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: people's lives and shit.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm posting a lot like I was

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: posting a lot on social media when

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I was out there showing the good

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: times

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and like when I was doing that I had

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_00]: to make a post about like hey man

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: like it hasn't always been so good

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: overcome these addictions like this

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: sucked there's some shitty fucking

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: days.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But like if you go through those bad

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: days like

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you know you can find this different

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: these different values and like

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_00]: appreciation of life and like it's

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: been really cool to see

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you on your journey this recent

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: journey of like you know putting

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: down the bud lights because

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: honestly dude that was a part of

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: your personality for a while.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah you know 100 percent I've

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: talked about that it

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: it became part of my cultural

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: existence.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know as a beer drinking

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_01]: country boy

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's really where it started.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean we've told the story how

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you and I met was over a beer

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but that doesn't mean it has to be

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that way forever.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: True.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That is true.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So you know it makes for a good

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: story now but you're right yeah it

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: was it was integrated in

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely everything.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah everything was a reason to

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: drink.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You know let's go into a show

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: everything do a podcast.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Podcasting especially this getting

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: into this and

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know just being so tied up in

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: all the shows that that we do

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: alcohol became a part of it and so

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it became that easy excuse.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've told folks you know for

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: people that are struggling with

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: alcohol or trying to get sober

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you know some people drink because

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not doing well they drink

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're upset sad something

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: bad just happened.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: For me I would always ride the

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: highs so when things were going

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: really well and you probably

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: remember this being beside me

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: through all of it we'd have big

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: breakthroughs with the show we'd

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: have a big guest we'd have

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_01]: something awesome anytime epicness

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: was happening is when I wanted to

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: drink the most.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah celebrating riding that

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: dopamine high of success

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the alcohol just came with it and

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I've described that people you know

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: with my recovery if you will.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And usually it's a tale of two

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: tapes a lot of people drink

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're not doing well

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they drink to cover depression

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: or something like that and some

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of that might have been tied in

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: there you know with my anger

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff I've been open about

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but for the most part at least

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the last five years of my

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: alcoholism it became trying to

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: keep the party going.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Fun fun fun success crushing it

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: let's party that's what it came

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to the most.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so I guess I guess kind of

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: what you're saying there is that

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: you know you have to appreciate

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_00]: when it's going really well for

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: what it is there and like

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't necessarily need to like

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: there's other ways to keep the

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: dopamine going I guess right.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like you don't have to like

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: use and that's the thing too

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: when people are using as like

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you know oh I had a bad day this

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: drink will make you feel better.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: No maybe it makes you feel better

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: for 30 minutes but deep down

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: they know that they're

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: disappointed that they're

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: relying on alcohol like I don't

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: think everyone recognizes

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: or acknowledges because you

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: know they're too concerned about

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_00]: other people think or they're

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: too busy looking at other

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_00]: people's lives and social media

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're not actually like

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: confronting themselves in the

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: mirror they're not actually

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: spending time alone with

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: themselves in their thought

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: process and getting to know

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: themselves and it's like so

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_00]: it makes it easy to abuse

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: but once you start realizing that

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: your relationship with yourself is

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: the most important relationship

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: you could possibly have like

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Sue Callahan was saying about

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: filling up your own glass

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and stuff first.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah fill your own cup first

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and then let it spill over

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you can actually help

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: people once true once you

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: fulfilled all your own needs

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like like there's a beauty in

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: life and like a fulfillment

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and happiness there that like

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to think was like

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: boring or like oh that's lame

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that they don't do drugs like

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: they're so boring for not doing

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: drugs and like honestly I was

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_00]: ignorant for like being there

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but that's okay like we can all

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: be ignorant but it's like are

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: we going to learn and actually

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_00]: try to make a progression in

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: our life and you know accept

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: the hard things you know because

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what keeps

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: people stuck is they haven't

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: truly accepted whatever it was

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and became neutral with it

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: where it's like hey I accept

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: this that happened I'm okay with

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: it I'm neutral with it like I'm

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_00]: emotionally freeing myself of

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that burden like I feel like

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that process is a difficult one

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: but that's the process that you

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_00]: need to go through in order

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to find the better version

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of yourself.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I would agree and some

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: of those things that you

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: described just kind of are

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: where people start to shift

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: a bit right so if you look

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: at someone like oh they don't

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: party they don't drink they

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: must be boring churchgoers

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: or something right the

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: stereotypes come out but that

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: would also happen at a time

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: where people's priorities are

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: changing people settle down

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: kids like we were saying and

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think the priorities

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that people have if they

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: prioritize partying and drugs

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and alcohol if that's like

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: working for the weekend to

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: party kind of thing I don't

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: think that's healthy you know

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: constantly and working for the

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: weekend in general like because

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you're not really being in the

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: present if you're constantly

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: doing something for the future

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like we're all advancing for our

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: retirement and planning making

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: sure bills are paid but that

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: whole term you know work for

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the weekend that whole thing is

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you're stuck in the hamster

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: wheel yeah so and then you're

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: missing out because the entire

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the entire journey is actually

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_00]: quite gorgeous it's as the

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: existence is actually really

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: quite amazing and to enjoy

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's the thing too

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the trick is you have

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_00]: to like find beauty and the

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: bad like when you're sad you

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_00]: also have to acknowledge that

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you're unhappy you have to

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: accept that and like realize

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: okay I'm unhappy right now

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_00]: like what's causing that you

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: know maybe maybe you are

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_00]: working at an unfulfilling job

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that like underpays you

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and like you're not valued

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know you've accepted

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that position and you fear

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: losing that job and like

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: making a change like there's

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_00]: so many areas but like

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_00]: living in the present has

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: definitely helped me stay sober

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and helped me like be like

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you know what it's it's okay

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's okay if I feel a little

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_00]: down right now I don't need

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: a drink I don't need to go

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: smoke weed or eat edible

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I can just feel a little

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: sad right now yeah that's okay

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: just being in it that's

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: what I'm learning as well

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: because on the flip side

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: for me it's the it's the

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: success again that's what

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the only time I still

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: feel alcohol craves is when

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: things are going extremely

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: well it's kind of bizarre

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess not everyone can

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: relate to that story but

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like that's when it was

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: always party time so now I

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_01]: notice myself like

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll stand up once like

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: something crushed to sail

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: book to guess great show

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever immediately I like

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: get up and start pacing around

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah because normally I'd go

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: grab a beer because you got

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: this energy going and so

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: learning to do with that

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know the reason I thought

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it was going to go to like

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: more masturbation that hasn't

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: been the case I would say

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten like a little bit

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: more dialed in but I think

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that's just because it's

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: 2024 into current events a

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit and seeing some of

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the chaos that's going on

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so I kind of keep that on

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the background but I don't want

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that to you know take up too

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: much of my energy because we

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: know how that goes that's a

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: whole slippery slope in itself

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't want to

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: completely take that energy

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: negative toxicity which is of

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: course the American political

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: system that we're in so that's

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that weird kind of tangled

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: mess but I think it's just

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: finding what to do like being

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in the moment with something

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I learned in therapy many

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: years ago it's hard it's

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: easier said than done

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: though it really is because

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you can understand the

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: information but applying it

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and then consistently doing

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it are two different things

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_00]: well yeah I mean you could

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: successfully do it for years

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and then stop sharpening the

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: knife and then your gets dull

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah like I've experienced that

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: where I've had like a major major

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_00]: like a long period of staying

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_00]: diligent and being successful

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's like wow Arthur's just

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_00]: a you know optimistic fucking

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: diligent person that's handling

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_00]: it and like and then I do

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that and then you fall off

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_00]: yep because you know you

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: everything take the best oiled

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking engine in the world needs

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: maintenance constantly true so if

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you're not giving it maintenance

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_00]: then the oil is going to get

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_00]: thick and sludgy you know it's

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the cylinders aren't going to fire

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: the same you know you're going

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to lose that high rpm like

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you got to you got to give it

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_00]: the maintenance man and that

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that counts for us yeah you

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: got to have you got to have some

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: tlc you know you got to know when

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to take the car into the shop if

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you will whatever that looks like

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: for each individual some people

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that's going to the gym some

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: people that's getting some medical

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff tightened up you know

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever it is I think the fact is

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the day it's about

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: feeling healthy clinton I talked

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: about it last week on happy

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: friday about you know the

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: ultimate goal in life is what

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we've been taught as happiness

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but really what that is is

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: fulfillment and so how do you

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: find that fulfillment you know

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and for us it's we've learned

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: how to do that and learning to

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: outside of drugs and alcohol

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: is finding that fulfillment fill

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: in your cup if you will as to oh

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Callahan oh Callahan she was

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: great great episode with her

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's what it is I really do

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: think that and it's it's I think

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it's easier for folks to do it

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_00]: short term well yeah because people

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_00]: don't want to make that

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: commitment right like you do this

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: shit until you die and I think

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: that's but that's you would that

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a huge commitment it's

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_00]: it's uh people don't want to do

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that intimidating so so okay but

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: they're a little blind up quick

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_01]: to get married that's for life

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: isn't it they'll sure do that

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: pretty quick yeah and then you know

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: what the hell is that that's not

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_00]: filling your own cup dude that's

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: look I'm in a very meaningful

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: relationship right now and it's

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: the best relationship I've ever

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: been in because I put myself as

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the priority if I'm not taking

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: care of my shit and handling

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: my business and being the

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking man in my own personal

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: realm then there's no way that

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I would be a good a good

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: person for anybody else right

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and like I I want her to do

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the same thing too she needs to

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: prioritize herself above

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_00]: everything absolutely and then and

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_00]: then like then she could take care

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of me but it's one of those things

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like people don't want to make the

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_00]: commitment and they don't want to be

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_00]: dedicated because it's it's too big

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: of a challenge but it's it's just

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_00]: like that's where that's where

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to find your

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: excellence diamonds are formed

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: under pressure put some pressure on

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself to actually you know see

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: what the fuck you're made of how

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: how can you build yourself up like

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're not challenging yourself

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and so it's just like this one this

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: thought that I have where it's like

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know oh you say you're brave you

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_00]: say you're strong well when's the last

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: time you were truly fucking afraid

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and faced that darkness like that's

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: the only time that you can actually

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_00]: show yourself that you're brave is

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: when you're fucking scared

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah so so when when you are

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: afraid of committing to something

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's going to be hard

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: well how you how when else are you

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: going to actually be able to prove

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: to yourself that you are a fucking

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: warrior that's hardened that can

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_00]: work through it unless if all the

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: cards are stacked against you

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: it's true that's the only time that

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: you can actually prove to yourself

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that you got the fuck what it takes

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that you think you do

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you're not willing to do

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that then like then you got more work

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have to put on yourself and

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to develop that mental

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: strength because like

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the thing man is it's not

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking easy and it's not going to

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: be easy failing all the time either

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: being depressed and like thinking

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_00]: about all the bullshit

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that you haven't done like that's not

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_00]: easy either so it's like which

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: difficult routes you want to take like

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: they both suck they both they both

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: suck one is way better than the other

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: for sure it is and one is you know

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: arguably harder but it really isn't

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: once you get into the groove of it

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like we've always talked about misery

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: loves company people doing more to

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: avoid pain they will to gain

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: pleasure that's just a natural

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: human psychological relationship

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: leaving the job that sucks whatever

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: moving to a new town there's so many

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: examples of it you know

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: getting some medical work done you've

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: been putting off whatever the case

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: may be it's easier to just kind of

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: sit back and crack open a cold one

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: watch the world go by

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and for you know what for a large

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: percentage of people that's that's as

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: good as it's going to get for

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: for this go around you know for them

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but i think it just comes bound to you

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: know personal accountability

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you know are folks really wanting to

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: take personal accountability for

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: themselves

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: if the answer is yes then we can

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: have the next conversation about

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_01]: okay well what fills your cup what

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: do you you know what are you doing

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to fill your time how are you

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: advancing as a person getting

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: healthier whatever that is

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: if the answer to that was no

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a tough deal you're kind of

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_01]: stuck in that rut until that

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_01]: individual is willing to make the change

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of goes back to the folks that

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: we you know we've talked about social

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: media lovers

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: i do my nine to five i drink my vodka

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: on the weekends i'm in an unhealthy

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: relationship

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it works yeah it works you know

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it it it is what it is you know

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: i'm not gonna i'm not gonna try to

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_00]: do the tough thing to change

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and that's that doesn't mean

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_01]: like they're bad people

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: in my mind now i think that is

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_00]: boring it is boring because you're

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_00]: just you're being fucking complacent

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: existing surviving just like okay

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that's good enough like whatever

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that shit's weak sauce it is it is and

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of a lot of people are going

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to choose that path

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know and so again i think it's

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that personal choice it comes down to

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: what you know what do you want out

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of this deal

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if you're completely

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: satisfied with that and and you

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: don't complain great

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know there's always going to be

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: box checkers you know eight billion

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: people on this planet i do that from

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_00]: time to time too where i just i

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: barely check the boxes

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you know at the end of the day we're

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: all trying to get by but it's hard to be

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: on every single day it's very hard

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_00]: especially for like months and years

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like like it's hard it's hard to

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: always just be on and like

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_00]: so like i think it's okay to give

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_00]: yourself some breaks yeah like like

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's it's all right to take your

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_00]: foot off the gas as long as

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_00]: as long as you don't disappoint yourself

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: like like that's the thing like like

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: if i took my foot off the gas and i

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_00]: was like oh yeah let me go take a

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Vicodin

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_00]: like yeah i'm i would be so

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: disappointed in myself

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah or if we wrap this and i went

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple beers yeah you're like

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever like i'm gonna take no so

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_00]: so like taking your foot off the break

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't mean that you relapse

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: it's okay and here's the thing is if

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you're dealing with an addiction

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: something it's okay to like

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_00]: fuck up and take it again as long as

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_00]: you like know that that was a fuck

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_00]: up and like you continue to progress

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_00]: forward clint who was our

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_00]: surprise guest on happy friday he

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: did great he was the one who taught

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_00]: me this mentality he's like you know

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: what arthur because he knew i was

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: struggling

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_00]: good man he was like he's like dude

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: if you took it again like you're you're

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: not on square one again

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_00]: right like you've still made a lot of

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: progress you just

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_00]: slipped back a little bit you have to

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you have to regain that ground again

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: but you're not all the way back to

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: square one

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_00]: so so it's just it's about these

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_00]: mentalities giving yourselves breaks

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_00]: holding the line when there's

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes once you've crossed a

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_00]: uh bear a certain barrier like there

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_00]: is no going back

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_00]: right like you don't slip back yeah

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and it is going to look a little

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: different for everybody because i've

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: heard a lot of alcoholics you know say

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: man you know i just hit nine months

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and i fucked up had a couple

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: drinks

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and then but in there that

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: immediately to them means failure

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: defeat it's over

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm gonna go hard again yep and then

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that's it and then they're on a

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: bender for six weeks

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: end up you know in the hospital from

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: over alcohol consumption like die or

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: die from and unfortunately in a lot

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: of cases we see there's a heroin

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: too

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: folks get off heroin and then they

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: think they can go back to doing the

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: dose that they weren't once doing and

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: then that's it it's game over so

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a tough deal man you know we live

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: in a country that is riddled with

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: addiction i know it's a worldwide

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: problem it's really bad here even

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like working out and stuff can be an

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: addiction but

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you know working out could also be

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: your savior to releasing dopamine

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: getting better sleep

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_00]: um everything in moderation that

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that's that truly seems to be

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_00]: like the golden ticket everything in

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: moderation and finding

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know i've kicked the can around

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: this idea of this this dopamine

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: documentary idea that i have i really

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: think we have something there

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's more of just a curiosity of

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: getting to the bottom of why

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: naturally we know humans create

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: dopamine in the caveman times that

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: came from

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: killing your next meal right now we

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: just hit door dash and we got food

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: showing up back then

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: primal you know primal man was out

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: there killing primitive primitive man

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_01]: primal he was a primitive criminal

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: if he's primal he was

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: primal is a combination of primal

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: primitive okay just made that up

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that's okay it works yeah and so you

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: know back then like the dopamine was

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like i just killed this animal that's

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: going to feed my family myself for

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: who knows how long we don't know

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: where our next meal is coming from

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so like that type of dopamine right

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: as we're kind of began

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: getting that extreme you know feeling

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: alive so how do we get how do we

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: find healthy amounts of dopamine

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and where does that come from

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_01]: because i know for me you know

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: sugar i'm still struggling with sugar

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: mostly just the candy i don't eat a

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: lot of sugary foods

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: like danishes or donuts it's like candy

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: as a snack you know i have some here in

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the studio that one's been tough

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a dope that's a quick dopamine

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: hit some people get it from video games

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: i play competitively you know uh i

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: would say a healthy amount i'm not

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: like a video gamer but some people

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: get it from that they get addicted to

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that you mentioned working out

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: where's that balance where's that

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: fine line of this is a healthy

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: source of dopamine

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: this is an unhealthy source we say

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: everything in moderation

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a tough line for some folks

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: well and even even happiness is in

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: moderation right right like you can't

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_00]: you can find joy

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and not be happy at the same time

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like because because i feel like joy

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: is an appreciation of what is current

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: like so you can still have like a

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: joyous like sad day

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: like where you can appreciate it

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you still um are grateful for your

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: day you're grateful for your

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: challenges maybe you are a little sad

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_00]: this day but like there can still be

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_00]: a joy associated with that existence

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you know so so like there's all these

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_00]: fucking rules and like um

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: stereotypes on what it should be

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and i feel like all this shit

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of it's bullshit like and we

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: can make up our like a lot of these

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: rules ourselves and like our own

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_00]: perceptions like i feel like a lot of

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_00]: its force fed to like how we should

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_00]: think and there's different ways of

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_00]: thinking that actually would would

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_00]: benefit me better or a different way

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: thinking might benefit you better

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: it's all it's all individually based

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah there's not just one formula

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: no and that's the tightrope we all

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: walk because a lot of people want to

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: better themselves they want to be the

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: best that they can be a lot of people

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: think that way and that's why

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: there's such a market

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it has been a massive market really

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: started with like dieting

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_01]: i feel like dieting became one of

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the big big marketing opportunities for

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: people because everyone wanted to

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: improve their figure

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: here's the new thing eat this way do

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that work out whatever that became

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: big then like life coaching became a

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: big thing you know everyone's kind of

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: like show me the way a lot of people

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: want to kind of a kind of a quick easy

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: button if you will yeah there's a huge

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: market for it you know i'm not

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: faulting the people that make money

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: doing that because it's there people

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: want they want to be better they just

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: don't want to do the work so a lot

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: of people look for the easy way out

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: hence the you know here's the new

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: motivational program that i just

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: signed up for to pay for might work

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: for you some folks go to a you

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: know some and they say that's the

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: only way you can get sober great

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: everybody's going to have a

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: different a different path of what

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: works for them and finding you know

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: success to them and what their

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: version of success looks like

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because i've heard that before some

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: people have given us feedback or at

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: least may on when we get on topics

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: like this or like well it seems like

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you hold people to a pretty high

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: standard and I think it's more about

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: just finding your max potential is

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: really what we're what we're saying

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't mean you and I are better

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: than anyone or this person saying

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that to you it's because they're

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: intimidated of the standard you

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_00]: hold yourself to most likely and and

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_00]: they don't hold their self to that

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: standard so then they're like

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to pull you down because they

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: don't they don't rise up like that

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: most likely like subconsciously

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: psychologically that's what i think

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: is happening with sure and i notice it

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: too like when i get around people

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that that still drink they that you

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: can tell that they feel uncomfortable

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and that i'm judging them

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's not necessarily the case

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know if we're at an

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: establishment where they serve alcohol

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: have a drink if that's what you

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: want to do like don't change what

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you do for me to accommodate me

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: i would say that like if someone's

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to work out right because

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: they've you've inspired them with the

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the attack five program or something

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and they feel like well art's judging

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: me because i missed you know the third

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: part of my attack five

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you know i think immediately it becomes

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like doom's day doom or gloom

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: black and white no shades of gray i

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: think we've gotten to that point

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's like that's how we measure

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: success and we

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: like you said sometimes you have to

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: give yourself that break easier said

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: than done

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's it's crucial man it's

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: crucial and

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: great conversation here i mean shit

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you and i could could go off and off

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a little different on this i

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: don't know where we're at

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: we're at a great we're at a great

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: point to talk about

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that we have some really good guests

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: coming up yeah looking forward to

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_00]: september you know we're going to be

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: filling it in a little bit look i'll

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_00]: admit to it here

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: um some of my motivation for

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_00]: podcasting slipped

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: a little bit to where i wasn't you

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_00]: know prospecting for

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: guests as much and you know i got

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_00]: some more work to do work on myself

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_00]: to do i've made a lot of progress

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: in life but

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you know there's there's more areas

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_00]: for me to improve and

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: uh discussion combustion continues to

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: be a great outlet

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and more importantly um a great place

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: for our guests to come in and talk

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_00]: about things that

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: are important to them and and i want

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to keep that going man

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah there's it's important it's

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: important and it's beyond me

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_00]: it's beyond you i think it's important

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_00]: for many other reasons

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_01]: well it's cool to see what the

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: program turned into you know we

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: started in jamie's basement

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: drinking getting fucked up partying

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: i was in the band it just it's

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: turned into a great format

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: to to keep it like humble honest true

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: fun and a place where people can be

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_01]: themselves and not feel judged i hope

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's kind of what we've created here

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like it's a safe place to have these

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of conversations

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: without feeling judged so we're going

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to keep that going looking forward to

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the guests coming up

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: happy friday tomorrow looking

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: forward to that things are good no

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: complaints on this side

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: it is good thanks everybody for your

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: support and tuning in

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: um how long do you think this one

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: went so far

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_01]: i haven't looked at any clocks i

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: would say maybe 43

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: we're at like 46 that's pretty close i

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_01]: mean i got that pod sense i can kind of

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: tell where we're at

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: i mean over over you know like five

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: or five years this

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah you can usually tell so on that

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: note be good to yourselves

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you deserve it and we'll just cut it

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: right in there

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: oh that sounds good art great show

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: thanks for having me