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[00:00:00] We'll have this discussion. Discussion? What discussion? This is a discussion... Combustion. Coming to you from Denver, Colorado, this is Discussion Combustion podcast with your hosts Kevin Batstone and Arthur Rawe. If you were at the stream

[00:00:19] filling up your water and then you look over downstream, someone's shitting in a towel. If they're downstream, yeah, you're good. You got to watch out for that shitty water, you know? It's out there lurking. What happens if you drink like

[00:00:37] shitty water? You get the waterborne pathogens and then you just like you start you throw up, get liquid, you get diarrhea, dehydrate. But watching a lot of bear grills, I've been catching up an old man versus wild. Man, that guy's a badass.

[00:00:49] We watch this... I think the loan is better. You like the loan? Not to... Wait, bear grills? Who am I thinking of? I don't know. What's the other guy? Well, you got Lez Stroud. He's the survivor man.

[00:01:01] Who's the guy who's like we thought he was doing it but then they like would drop him off at a resort? Oh yeah, yeah. Bear got caught screwing around a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But one thing about Bear is he's like eating some of the

[00:01:12] nastiest shit. He's knowledgeable. Yeah. And he does the things. But the thing on a loan that I like is it's like legit. It's like legit. And it's like everyday people. Yeah, and it's like they know what they're doing. Season six, the

[00:01:25] guy who killed a moose, that was incredible. And he lived off that moose. But then Wolverine stole his meat. How'd he store the food? He built a fricking shack. And smoked it. Out of raw materials, like just cut down trees with

[00:01:38] like because you get 10 different tools, whatever you want. Yeah. They don't have to all be tools but I think he brought like a knife so I used the knife. Build a shed. You got to bring a knife. And then he like what

[00:01:48] he got when you put meat up and it dries. He's drying the meat? Yeah, but there's like a knee. He's like curing it. Yeah, he's like curing it. But so he built that and then Wolverine's is not going there. Then he killed the

[00:02:01] Wolverines and got the fat from the Wolverines. Yeah. And then use that to like you need more fat than the protein to survive. And it was wild though. This guy was nuts. Yeah, alone is a good shot. I haven't seen

[00:02:11] the new stuff but I saw it first came out. Yeah, any of the new ones but season six stuck out is like one of the most insane. I'll give that a watch because I've been into that survival stuff. It's just it's

[00:02:21] entertaining to watch and you learn a lot. You learn a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I go out hiking in camp and a lot and I it inspires you to try everything that they're trying. Yeah. Go out there for like 48 hours, no food.

[00:02:32] That's pretty cool. Try and build your own shelter. Crazy. Yeah, I want to take that on I think we've had a couple survival experts on this program. We always had like cool. We kind of like ask them, Hey, do you

[00:02:42] want to do this show alone or something like that? Is that some you consider and they're like, Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But they're all their own content creators. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. So you want to be a

[00:02:50] survivalist and you want to be a Somalia of water? Yes. Learning about everyone's I want to drink a water aficionado water from like the most natural mineral spring well. Yeah. Yeah. That one in France has healing powers. Right that episode I think was on that same

[00:03:07] episode with Zach Efron. Yeah. Well, like yeah, yeah, people I mean, look, apparently perception can be reality in a lot of ways. So if like you believe that time and all works, like it probably works. Yeah. And so if you're drinking from this,

[00:03:21] this mineral well, this natural spring and you feel like it's going to help you stay young and you keep drinking from it. Yeah. Like maybe it does help you stay a little bit younger. Maybe you do live a little bit more youthful. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:35] Yes, a whole like state of mind thing. I think is that why the power lifters drink breast milk? Do they really? I know a couple guys do breast milk. It's like human growth hormone in it or something. But is it though? I guess I could see it.

[00:03:48] It's got something. It has I don't know it has like all a lot of the nutrients whatever the mom I think absorbed and then so you're getting that. I think yeah. Yeah, not not all breast milk is equal. Yeah. You know, it depends on the

[00:04:01] mother's diet. Some of it's homogenized some of it's not pasteurized. Sure. I would imagine it. Some of it's bleached some of it's unbleached. Yeah, some gluten free. Yeah. Yeah. Organic. Yeah. A lot of things out there. That's a wild

[00:04:18] subject. That is you know, we're kicking this one off right what is this 264 or something? It's in it's in the 260s. Yeah. Yeah, 260s. Yeah, reaching into the bag of tricks. Yeah. And Louie, you're one of our very first guests. Oh, really? When

[00:04:32] we were still audio early. Early. I know it was that early. In the creepy basement. It wasn't bad. It was a rockers base. We made it. We made it all right. Yeah. A lot of booze

[00:04:43] and empty. I think it was weird not to be on the door and wondering if I was at the right place. I think I remember that. Hello. Is this the right place? Yeah, go downstairs the basement. Yeah, come on into the basement that you

[00:04:54] just met us. Come on in. Yeah, especially if you're responding to Craigslist. And just you go around to a basement. God, that is kind of iffy, isn't it? Yeah. And this was five years ago. Put that all together. That's pretty

[00:05:04] funny. I worked out though, because like we always say, when you're in the wheelhouse, no getting out and it might take five years, but hey, you're back. Yeah, there you are. Yeah, I know. That's a pretty good run that you

[00:05:14] guys have had. It hasn't been easy the whole time, but it certainly has created for a lot of fun opportunities and storylines and experiences. Meeting different kinds of people because you don't you guys jump topics and different kinds of guests. Lots of

[00:05:26] variety, which is cool. We do learn a lot to sometimes we get kicked off YouTube. Oh, yeah. What's the biggest thing that makes you get kicked off? Topics or medical misinformation quote unquote. You can kind of imagine where that could go. Yeah. And we are not experts in

[00:05:43] anything. This is opinion based program. Correct. Now that we just said that's the disclaimer to throw off the algorithm. Yes. Now we can say whatever we want. All right, let's talk about the bird flu. Is that happening? Not that I heard it coming back actually. Is it

[00:05:59] back? I thought I heard that. Yeah, there's birds everywhere. Wow. Are birds real? Not from the footage I've seen. Okay. I heard they might not be. Yeah, I mean, why even create drones? Like why is our drone? Did drones just exist to

[00:06:16] be a distraction? I saw an episode somewhere that said that that's China had spy birds and not all of their birds are real. Oh, actually, I have heard that. Yeah, I heard that. They were using it for cameras to watch their citizens and

[00:06:30] there might be some here. I don't know. Spy birds. Yeah. I mean, I could say that to me makes more sense than all birds. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because you can sneak those into a pack of pigeons or something. Yeah. You know,

[00:06:39] if you're trying to do some monitoring but I feel like there's enough of that going on as it is. Do we really need spy pigeons? I mean, no. Yeah. I don't know. It feels every day like more, more like some of these apocalyptic or

[00:06:53] like dystopian type movies are becoming way too real. Yeah. It's concerning 1984 like all that stuff for that long. It's just like, I don't know. It's like it's crazy. Even AI, you know, the AI is really concerning, I think there's

[00:07:06] a lot of good good things to come out but a lot of concerning things like even music related. I've seen you can ask AI write a song for me. I don't like it. I don't like it either. It really does me a little nuts. I was talking

[00:07:15] with the buddy at work and it's like, yeah, we got to this point of like innovation with AI but it's like that's great that we were able to do that. But does that mean that we should do that? Because it's like so you're saying we just

[00:07:29] had this automated robot do all these jobs and take jobs away. And then they're like, now we have more homeless and we have this and that. This is like, just because we can do it doesn't mean you should just take away the

[00:07:40] job is like, you should still have a person. Like we have to contribute to society in some way. I don't know. I feel like it's like, it's great. It brings up the numbers of depression and just does it just crap. I don't know. I

[00:07:53] think there's there's a use for it. But I don't think we should use it for everything. You have to find a use for everything. I mean, historically, all those new inventions haven't taken away jobs. They've also created jobs too. It's sort of a freak out that

[00:08:06] happened when I'm Adobe Photoshop came taking all the designer jobs, what you just had designers use a tool or when Excel spreadsheet came. We still have accounts that use spreadsheets. Yeah. True. But I mean, you're starting to see it with what they can do with actors and take

[00:08:22] their faces. I mean, there is some or even art like like art. Yes. Yeah, I know the art thing is a little bit weird. But one like positive potential of it is before you only had these elite people in Hollywood

[00:08:34] that could tell stories and they have access to studios and have access to props and have access to all this money. But now imagine since anyone could make music or since anyone could make a video, now we could hopefully I hope the positive of that is now anyone

[00:08:46] could tell their stories because you don't hear stories of people living in an apartment and what that's like as much as you hear like middle America tell their stories. I don't know. I'm just hoping it means that people have more access to tell stories that couldn't tell before.

[00:09:01] I mean, there's a positive aspect to it. A lot too. For sure. Double-edged sword, right? There's pros and cons. But I do worry the cons might outweigh the pros. Yeah, it feels like with creative ability specifically. Yeah, it really feels like it. Yeah. You know, I mean, we

[00:09:17] take it back even said like spell check was one of the first AI is when you think about it. Yeah, you know, because it was it was like, okay, and then the argument then was well now people don't know

[00:09:23] how to spell and this and that guilty. Yeah. I use it, you know, for sure. But where does it end? Right? I guess that's the thing. I mean, autocorrect is still a piece of shit. So if we don't have correct, right, then I think there's a long, there

[00:09:36] probably isn't a long way to go. But I'm hoping that means there's a while to go. Yeah, I just don't like how it always autocorrects. Can we swear? Yes. Oh yeah. Fuck. You know, duck and fuck. Yes, it's like duck and you think I'm

[00:09:48] going to say duck this? Yeah, or every time. For some reason, F. O. R. for was being corrected to F. I. R. Yeah, F. I. R. Tree. Tree. Tree. Yeah, a fir tree. That was fir. It's like, um, yeah, it's terrible with the

[00:10:03] I just don't trust it. And then, you know, you got cars driving with AI and stuff. Concerned. And like, you know, you got this AI in the drive-throughs which doesn't work. So here's the thing because AI does have plenty of applications to where it is beneficial. It

[00:10:21] is helpful. But then there's like this whole gray area because it's newer where there's no regulation and then they're trying it in areas where maybe they shouldn't. Like why not just pay somebody to take my order in the drive-through? Yeah. Because when Kevin and I

[00:10:36] went, I think we already told this on Podd, but we were trying to do an order and it was an AI like taking our order and it got confused and somebody had to jump on to just take the order. So and it wasn't

[00:10:47] even that complicated. It wasn't. So it's like less efficient. Does it work? Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't really trust it. And then I feel like anything that we, because sometimes we'll use it to like help format with show notes. Yeah. And then it just

[00:11:02] throws in all of these words that are like, like it's trying too hard to sound smart. Yeah. Like you know when someone is like they're just using big words like you're trying to sound like you're smart. Yeah. Right? That's, I feel like

[00:11:16] AI is trying too hard sometimes. Yeah. It's a weird place. Yeah. Interesting. It is. It is funny. Can AI compose like songs like come up with a guitar riff or like? Yeah. I can. I've tried some of the programs and it I'll say things

[00:11:30] like I want a song in this style that is about this and it's okay. I mean I've only tried it once so I don't know but I've heard it does pretty good. It's a pretty entry level from what I've noticed. It's like, okay 120 beats a

[00:11:43] minute in this style of country singing about this and then it will come up with this like weird chorus. You can tell like the ideas there but it's not, you can just tell it's not authentic. Yeah. But there's also this meme that came out that showed the

[00:11:55] progression of our AI where at the beginning of the year this is the best it could do and now this is six months later and it looks so photorealistic and that's its growth in six months is scary. That's what's scary. Yeah. Yeah, I, Herman, our bassist, we had

[00:12:11] like a writing session recently. Just him and I and he has like this new, it's like a chord generator thing that you put what key you're in and then it'll do chords based off of that and I was definitely, I still

[00:12:27] don't really like it so like we were writing and I had the verses and all that type of stuff and then we got to the chorus and he was like well let me try putting in these three chords yeah and then see what this thing

[00:12:40] shoots back out at us and then giving it different tempos or five four four six and it was um I'm still fighting it. I don't really like it was like an experiment and kind of like an exercise but I still felt very, I just didn't want that help

[00:12:55] I think. I think I wanted it to come out of me rather than like be inspired by the thing and I think whenever I write music in general I listen to a lot of podcasts rather than I don't listen, usually when I'm in writing

[00:13:12] mode I don't want to like listen to a lot of music to have it like subconsciously like affect what I'm thinking of. I want it to be like here's this idea and just grab it rather than just like thinking about this thing but I can't control all it

[00:13:26] I mean I hear music all the time so it's like it's hard to not have that. But as much as you can. That's why I didn't really like the I think it was cool and I'm not I don't want to like just just kind of like his theory.

[00:13:36] It takes away your creative. It just felt strange to me. Well I mean I think that's I mean yeah so some people could use it as a tool in that sense and but your preference is even listening to the radio or listening to any music

[00:13:47] before and you want to just filter I just want to filter it out. Yeah from you. It's like a weird like guilty conscience of like yeah I want this to be more authentic. Yeah I don't want it to like feel like it's just like programmed or

[00:14:00] robotic or like this is what this thing said it did so I have to follow it just like this and then I don't want to get into that mindset of following like a structure. I don't like structure. With learning getting too much into music theory and learning too

[00:14:14] much might you feel like might block your creativity where someone else uses that as a tool to set to help them write music. You don't like anything influencing or setting boundaries. Fluid I guess is the basis of what I'm trying to say it just didn't feel right but.

[00:14:32] So do you feel like when it's writing session time do you do better like I said you and your basis get together in jam or whatever. Do you feel like that's when the risks come best or like is it just when you're chilling at

[00:14:41] home you're like oh wait something just came in. It's late at night. When you're pooping. Yeah usually pooping. Oh yeah that's a good time. No but no joke I used to bring my guitar on my toilet. Seriously. Growing up. So you're going to tell your legs or none?

[00:14:55] Yeah. Oh yeah I would sit there for an hour. Honestly I would sit there for hours and I would just have it on my you know and I'm just playing and you know my bathroom is too small to do that now but I've definitely tried it

[00:15:06] but yeah so can we edit that out. But this is where creativity. Yeah. Called the poop score. Hey I can't come up with this. Yeah what was I saying? Oh it usually comes really late at night and it's almost always at night and it's always like

[00:15:23] if I'm trying to go to bed then things just like shoot my head and it'll be like pitch black and I'll just like pick up the guitar and kind of like start fucking around and then see where it goes and then try to voice memo it so I

[00:15:38] remember the next day and see what that idea was and then just kind of take it from there I guess but it's a bit of a different process maybe. I'm not sure. I don't know how everybody does it but. I feel like everyone has kind

[00:15:52] of their own writing style and times where it comes to them you know like Taylor Swift says she's like it's like a cloud you know when you look at it you see something and then if you wait too long that cloud shifts and changes you kind of

[00:16:01] like capture it immediately. You know a lot of folks like carry record around so they can say some lyrics or a little riff or something like that. Well I think like since we guys we just talked about New Universe or how does it how do you say it?

[00:16:14] Um I think about there's this level that we can't see and I think there are ideas kind of floating around and I think it's up to us to kind of grab it grab them. Not like you can physically see it but I think they're literally there's a reason

[00:16:33] I'm getting out there's a reason something happened like I feel compelled to pick up my guitar that's usually what happens is there's like a strong sense that's why I keep going out so I can see him and grab him or whatever because you just don't know because sometimes

[00:16:48] I literally feel like that's so fucking corny but I feel like like a little bit of a magnetism like it's for some reason I'm being drawn. Like I can't just walk past it and I it's always I have OCD but I have to like

[00:17:03] always touch the frets like do a little thing before I leave for work and then same thing at night same thing always I don't know what it is but it's a little odd but yeah I don't know what it is. I think it's like an energy

[00:17:17] and a thing. I don't know. I mean the rituals are important. Yeah. You know and even if they're just important to you. Yeah. You know it's still important but I also have like those right before sleep. Yeah. Like what is it? Molens of inspiration. It's like an impenfony.

[00:17:36] Yeah. Like you just come across like the solution. Yeah. And the other night I had some of those and it was like OK this is what I need to do. And like some of them are just like one word things where it's like OK that word

[00:17:48] is important important but then I forgot them by the time I woke up because I didn't go right I didn't go right I'm down or anything. I hate that. Yeah. So I know like while I was laying there like I was like oh I had something

[00:17:58] there but then yeah it's gone now. Yeah that is a weird cloud dissipated. Yeah. No that's that's why I do those voice almost like even if it's shit. And it's like if I don't do this now because I'll literally be laying in bed with my eyes

[00:18:11] closed just like you said with the pit and epiphany because I was working on this song all 4th of July like weekend we had like four days off and I was like just messing with it to like at no end where it was like really

[00:18:25] bugging me and I was trying to figure out what rhythm what tempo what all the things I knew there was something there but then like something popped when I was in bed and like it just got up and you just like you start playing it because you're

[00:18:37] like I have to get this out of my head because it was like literally driving me nuts if I was like if I don't try this thing that I think is probably the solution it I feel like it's a puzzle a lot of times you try

[00:18:48] put the right pieces you can't always find it you're on the right track but you didn't flip off flip off flip over the pieces all of them and then eventually something clicked and then it's like oh there it is got it yeah and so I have a lot

[00:19:01] of voice models from this last weekend but yeah let's just yeah that's kind of how it goes I think I don't know gotta capture the creativity it's chaotic yeah at times it's a little bit spooky up here you know what I mean yeah it's very loud

[00:19:16] especially when you're like clairvoyant yeah and not drowning it out yeah yeah it's you can't yeah I have the AC on I have the Afan on I have a rain channel on you too just like are you telling us your sleep ritual right now yeah basically yeah yeah

[00:19:33] because it sounds really cozy yeah I mean but that's the thing I have to like drown I have to like have everything going or it's like it's so freaking loud in here like that's kind of how I am for sure yeah it's hard to shut it down yeah

[00:19:46] the white noise is crucial no it is yeah so that's what that does that's yeah huh you're not a fan sleeper Louis you don't have to have the fan on you can go I mean I have I'll have it on and if it's hot if it's hot

[00:19:58] if it's hot yeah you don't need it for the noise that but white noise I never thought of it I'll sleep with I have these this headphone thing it's like a I don't know what you call it it's like a a head like a head strap yeah

[00:20:11] head strap kind of thing because then you don't have stuff in your ear and then I'll sometimes listen to one of those meditation videos or sometimes I'll listen to someone talking or something if I'm trying to work through stuff sometimes I'll use that to fall asleep too interesting

[00:20:25] I like to imagine that the white noise that the fan produces is the sound of a plane engine yeah and I always like to imagine that I am sleeping unlike the most high class comfortable interesting like plane cool like bed like I'm on in this bed

[00:20:44] and this looks on a plane and it looks your is bed okay and I'm just like falling asleep on the plane I don't know why that's interesting that that's what comforts you or I like to think that it's like a snow crawler and Antarctica yeah okay and

[00:20:58] it's so cold is it so cold out that the fan is trying to blow hot air but it's actually blowing cold air because it's so frigid in Antarctica specifically and so I'm like in this like snow crawler and like a cubby area yeah going to sleep like

[00:21:13] I don't know why those things are like really interesting yeah those like really cozy for me I think it's like the cave thing right it's cozy it goes back to cave because like the the snow crawler is not a lot of space and then the plane

[00:21:26] like even if you're laying in bed and the plane like you know it's not going to be like a massive area yeah like mimic the womb a little bit yeah something like that maybe next time think about being in a womb ah maybe play a heartbeat or something

[00:21:39] yes that's a good idea that's really interesting thank for me I usually follow sleep pretending I'm driving a race car oh really interesting I'm seatbelted in I got the cocoon around me so the womb you know speed sleeper I'm a speed sleeper speed sleeper yeah it's the race

[00:21:54] it's the race to the REM yeah get that REM sleep so why why are you falling asleep while you're racing well no cause I'm like you know on picture like okay yeah I'll be unsafe I'll fall asleep at the wheel but you know

[00:22:07] he has AI driving the car oh okay you're fine AI's driving I know it's on autopilot while I rest yeah yeah I mean please tell me you do have a race car bed I don't have a race car yeah a race car bed bed oh bed yeah

[00:22:21] because that would be awesome my roommate's time I'll get me a CB radio so I can talk to other car beds nice nice that'd be super fun that was a movie quote are you are you sleeping yet yeah yeah I'm gonna probably rock a car bed yeah

[00:22:35] I bet you they make adult car beds or you could just make your own if there's AI there's adult car beds you think yeah yeah definitely yeah careful with AI though cause if you type in adult car bed it's gonna have like whips and shit in it

[00:22:46] that's true it's gonna apply rule 34 yeah what's that oh okay well this is an 18 an up show that box is checked rule 34 is that you can sexualize anything in a drawing so basically like that mic stand and like the boom like the boom to going into the mic

[00:23:08] would be sexualized okay or like an airplane like they draw a sexy airplane okay and like this airplane has like fat ass okay you know yep so rule 34 like if if you have ever seen anything rule 34 has sexualized it already okay damn never heard of it

[00:23:28] and that sells I mean we see a lot of corporations do it in their ad campaigns half time we didn't realize it seriously I think like herbal essences was one of the first commercials I remember as a kid that was extremely sexualized like shampoo yeah she's like

[00:23:40] oh yeah yeah orgasm in the shower yeah this is like 97 looks like maybe 97 yeah yeah okay and then everyone just ran with it for a bit because sex sells yeah I even think I bought herbal essence and it's damn right we did it smells really good yeah yep

[00:23:54] it smells really good it didn't produce the results that I was expecting no no you didn't fake it no I didn't fake it yep there's no good on that one yeah rule 34 if you want to you know what's rule 35 I don't know okay I don't know

[00:24:09] but you might find some new kinks if you're like in board interesting it is mm-hmm see but AI would twist it all up I feel like it could mess it up you know have you seen some of the AI art that just doesn't make sense seen a few

[00:24:22] yeah yeah like it tries to create an image but like there's just noticeable flaws in it yeah you know so it's not there yet but like you mentioned in six months seeing what it's done it's close it's kind of scary to see where it's gonna go yeah yeah

[00:24:35] yeah and I grew up a fan of the Terminator favorite movie of all time yeah John Connors tried to warn us don't trust the AI yeah that is the weird thing it's very um that's the thing I was just talking about before the beginning of this

[00:24:45] all the movies are like coming true I feel like scary yeah I mean maybe that's one of my experiences but people think how like how was Hollywood like so dialed into that type of thing or the Simpsons like how does the Simpsons do? they even predict

[00:25:00] the Hock Tue girl yeah the Simpsons do? there's always what shut up just I was in episode where Bert was we really know about this girl by sword and all because people were talking I haven't watched the video of the Hock Tue girl yeah

[00:25:10] we tried to get her on here oh really but she's getting a lot of media requests yeah I'm sure she is her name's Hailey Welsh I actually don't know the story of the Hock Tue girl no I haven't even seen the video I just

[00:25:19] you really haven't seen it? no I don't think so there's nothing wrong with you not having seen this yeah it's not uh you probably will now that we're talking about because that's just how it goes you're following my phone is yeah but uh

[00:25:30] but yeah the Simpsons predicted that did they? there was an episode where Bert was like Bart sorry he was talking to somebody some girl who like read did like hand readings and she did a Hock Tue in his hand and was like there you go

[00:25:41] you have a swimming pool on your hand now and that was like in 98 interesting that's so weird I don't know so the this chick is like a college chick or something there was a street interview and she was talking about like fellatio

[00:25:56] and how sometimes you just got a spit on that thing like Hock Tue that's what went viral and then so it's yeah it's sexualized and there you go that's the thing is it's all sexualized and then like and then she's blown up off of this

[00:26:08] and no pun intended there yeah but like it's a little country girl yeah it's crazy it's just crazy how overnight celebrity how that works things have changed with that we've talked about that with a couple creators that have been on like you know we're out here working hard

[00:26:21] writing our own music you know creating whatever you're doing and then all it takes is a quick interview like that or an AI thing and then people are overnight celebrities yeah this instant fame is it sustainable yeah well they talked about that too

[00:26:33] what artist was it that said everyone has their 15 minutes of fame really long time ago so I think that's just just kind of a vault yeah um yeah yeah it's a it's a weird feeling because you don't know what I don't know

[00:26:49] it's like you feel like you put so much time in and then someone does something like that and then it's hard to not feel I don't even think Amius is the right word you feel a little bit like man bamboozled it's like weird it's like

[00:27:01] you didn't really do anything you just said something stupid yeah and you and now you're set up for life yeah it's like what the hell is that it's weird it's like what's the talent I don't know yeah but that happens even in like little things every day

[00:27:15] for example the carding machines as a band you could post you could put all this time into your posts every single day and then the one that's gonna blow up is the one you put no time into so that happens it's true I guess it happens yeah yeah

[00:27:28] so what Louis is saying is this is the episode that takes discussion combustion to the Joe Rogan level yeah so we've been waiting on yeah it can happen at any moment yeah keep showing up doing it for the right reasons that's the thing right

[00:27:39] because a lot of these times people just get thrown into it you know now she has to play I don't know how to play but she's kind of stuck with that persona now the hot too girl how do you break away from that and create a new version

[00:27:50] like they're talking about doing a reality show with her and stuff where really it was what credibility does she have maybe she does I don't know I don't know the gal I was gonna ask that on the show but we'll see I think

[00:28:00] the credibility is just being known that's all it is because that's what's gonna sell yeah it's all it is hats, t-shirts follows ads wanna sell to her because if you have her selling your product once again rule 34 hot too you can sexualize anything now

[00:28:13] well and that was sexually based in the first place yeah and so here's the thing cause I've made music in the past too and like produced my own songs and this and that and I'll get so sick of my own song which has all these lyrics

[00:28:26] all these different progressions and it's like complicated but I get sick of that imagine being known for just saying hot too and then people wanting you to keep saying imagine how sick of that you would be yeah yeah it's so yeah that's true that's true it is yeah

[00:28:42] yeah but she's getting she's getting some good publicity out there yeah and she's done a couple interviews I mean she seems like a pretty humble girl small town Tennessee whatever just out drinking with her with her friend on a Friday night got caught up on a street interview

[00:28:55] that changed her life so that's crazy I don't know if we should hate her per se or just the that's what we've created as consumers that's just what happens I think just like I said you'll put just the small things that somehow blow up yeah are unintentional yeah

[00:29:10] the song that you didn't put any time into is the song that blows up not the song that you thought was your masterpiece most artists say that too like James Hetfield says he hated the song Nothing Else Matters and he hated Enter Sandman

[00:29:21] two of their biggest hits to date yeah he's like I hated writing it and I hated performing it but everybody loved it yeah every artist I feel like has that song that they're super passionate about that they want to be the single ends up being like Track 8

[00:29:31] that no one listens to or whatever yeah Track 8 deserves the love Track 8 or like Hang Me Out well we like wrote really really fast yeah that's the one that we feel like is our strongest yeah like just flows I still think like Joker I love playing Joker

[00:29:47] like I think that one was worth all the time that we spent time so who came up with heart shaped zombie who came up with the name so of the band the first two songs well okay I'll go back to that

[00:30:03] the first two songs that we worked on as a band when we decided to look for other band members was Heart Shaped Box and Crambary Zombie so those were kind of placeholder names and it was actually Heart Shaped zombie smells because it smells like Teen Spirit

[00:30:19] it was also yeah you're not in touch to it yeah well yeah we needed a name because we were gonna do the open mic yeah that was the name not Lion's Lair Lion's Lair I think so the name is Lion's Lair Lion's Lair I think and Colfax

[00:30:32] needed a name yeah so we just needed a name to go on stage and I was looking at the the set was I was like Heart Shaped Zombie smells yeah well that's where I named the tax group yeah and then we're like well let's make it simple

[00:30:44] Heart Shaped Zombie yeah and that's a cool name yeah cool glad to hear that it's kind of stuck and because I was always like a fan of like one word band names or maybe even just two and like maybe like less syllables but it has

[00:31:00] I don't know a lot of people remember it a lot of people think it's kind of catchy or like weird actually when we were finding a new basis we were like we have to change the name because now we're gonna be more official we're gonna start recording

[00:31:12] and then I think we're like let's just keep it I think he liked it too yeah so that was a I think that's part of it it makes you think I was like what is the meaning of a zombie that is Heart Shaped so I started like

[00:31:22] I started thinking about the meaning of your band name and I was all like okay so zombies kind of lack a brain right yeah but maybe they still have a heart yeah or something yeah but they're dead but then you're also showing love yeah

[00:31:34] like I don't even know if I should be reading into it that much but it I love it it's been open to me I think anybody yeah just I would read into it for sure what I love about it too is please

[00:31:44] because in other bands we've been in you know you you have the typical let's put our shirts out let's have this kind of marriage let's do this but I love our name because we can play into a character to play with yeah so you know

[00:31:54] like one of the things we talked about with merch coming is hey we can do an apocalyptic merch theme so let's get some hand sanitizers maybe some first aid kits which will be cool I think to see on a table where everyone else just has shirts and posters

[00:32:05] we could have fun stuff that play with the zombie name and especially like Halloween yeah theme shows for sure and we were just doing photos last whenever we did it last week or something and so we were playing into Resident Evil their red dress

[00:32:19] and then having them as zombies yeah yeah that was a cool movie posters yeah they came off blurry but we'll have to do them again oh no blurry huh they came out blurry yeah oh that was not good yeah it's fine it was just the wrong

[00:32:30] the posters that you printed no no the pictures photo shoot uh it's obvious seems like there's no we're just gonna redo it yeah we're just gonna redo it sometimes I mean we didn't want to pay but it was cool because it was raining

[00:32:43] we just spent so much money on the recording they're like alright we don't have money to hire a photographer so I think my husband will come take the photos for us yeah yeah it was just a cost-recon setting was it yeah yeah cut cost-recon I get it

[00:32:57] it sounds like it was so eerie out that day too it was raining it's a couple of Saturdays which made for a good photo yeah it was great it was like awesome set the mood yeah it did we were in the alley it didn't come out so bad

[00:33:07] oh I can do you have the image yeah let's take a look live action yeah I think I have one of them oh shit maybe not on this phone maybe I don't have it on here what did it make you think of our name um well

[00:33:22] so we shot a promo clip or having you guys on I immediately thought of Nirvana cause I was trying not to say heart shaped box yeah okay sweet I thought of Nirvana first okay um and it matches our style I mean it's the 90s yeah

[00:33:32] it's kind of grunge female vocal yeah I dig it and I think some people don't realize put that together I think they just read it as a thing or a name all together it's a cool name though I mean there's a lot of bands

[00:33:44] out there that have predictable names like you know this that railbenders the you know I'm come from the country background so I had a band name The Ridge Runners okay you know kind of like it has that kind of tear in your beer honky tonk feel to it

[00:33:54] yeah heart shaped zombie I feel like could be a lot it could be a it could be a trilogy of horror movies yeah you know it could be a it could be a lot of things yeah you could play with it there's a band we're playing with

[00:34:04] in August named Dead Posey Dead Posey I feel like I've heard of them they have a lot of lessons on Spotify I don't know if they're from another country or not because I looked at their tour and they're like freaking everywhere that's cool Spain you can't like currently

[00:34:19] so you guys are opening up for them yeah probably yeah we're gonna play with them in August and I was telling them we could do something really cool because the names where it's just like haunted theme or dead theme or zombie themed yeah yeah

[00:34:29] I think it could be fun to have we have a sign of our band that we put on the stage but it'd be cool to turn into a tombstone and have a zombie coming out of it and just they have a like vampire type aesthetic so it's like

[00:34:43] if we're zombies and they're vampires already it's like this is a perfect blend it's August 12th at HQ on Broadway yes uh yeah great memory but August standard time yeah okay yeah so no that was huge I was actually really excited because they confirmed this morning yep yeah

[00:35:04] so mainly because it'd be nice to have like that cross-pollination of like wherever they're from having their fans the guys wear um hazmat suits mm-hmm yeah yeah hazmat suits yeah could be fun and then like halfway through it you could like act like one of the hazmat suits

[00:35:23] had a hole in it yeah and then you still got infected and like and then like halfway through the show bite into it people like break out break out of their hazmat suits and all that I like that that's so cool we definitely have

[00:35:35] there's a lot to play around with there yeah that's why I love the name there's so much to explore it could even have like a Evil Dead yeah Evil Dead yeah 28 coming in put it like bruises and bites and stuff definitely got to see like go ahead

[00:35:51] I was just thinking Halloween you gotta take advantage that time of year yeah I mean that's what he mentioned too and I was like but we're a heart-shaped zombie maybe we bring Halloween we don't have to yes people love Halloween 365 for sure it would be really cool

[00:36:02] for like expecting that they can come to our shows because they don't have they can you know experience Halloween just get weird get weird have they're like I love a heart-shaped zombies show yeah I'm seeing I'm seeing like a heart-shaped vine like a thorny vine okay

[00:36:16] was like a zombie hand in the middle of it love it kind of something we should design that I'm seeing there's a lot that you can do there yeah but so you kind of came up with the name just on like well cause yeah we just we needed

[00:36:29] something for all of my to be around the whiteboard and the first two or three songs that we worked on as a band cover songs and then just the way they were in order I was like and it worked with our sound too yeah and one

[00:36:40] one of the guys that we had worked with to record one of our are to mix one of our songs recommended we change it because he said it sounded like a cover band so that was part of it with the impetus for wanting to change it

[00:36:52] but we ended up sticking with it and I'm I'm glad did it make you think no I didn't think cover band yeah I think it only does because he knew we were working on those songs but once we removed them from our set list you wouldn't

[00:37:03] think of that yeah that's not like cover band yeah but it's cool to have those stories about how bands got their name yeah like God Smacks one of my favorite stories oh what's their story so God Smacks you know Sully Urna

[00:37:15] those guys they started in the mid 90s back in Boston Mass and their drummer at the time when they were coming up with a name had a really bad outbreak on his face of like you know herpes just cold sores whatever and Sully looked at him he goes

[00:37:26] looks like God just smacked you in the face and that's what and it stuck for them and then from then on that's where they were called oh cool yeah that's weird yeah true story thanks Sully Urna for telling me that oh boy should talk about

[00:37:38] they're great though I love Sully how we formed what how we formed how we formed that was fun yes how did the band form um do you want to I was taking a lift ride home he was a lift driver I was yeah

[00:37:53] and I was getting ready to get out literally I he parked at my house I was getting ready to step out I opened the door and I sat back in I said do you play guitar by chance he said yeah I do he said we should

[00:38:04] jam some time yeah it was really weird I don't know what that's the thing I'm talking about with the energy in the shit because you did open the door and you were leaving yeah like one foot well I've made you stop I don't know that's weird

[00:38:17] and that was like seven years ago yeah he said I do play guitar so we should jam some time and then I think it from karaoke oh maybe that's why yeah but yeah I think it had been two years before I finally texted you said hey

[00:38:29] I don't know if you remember me I asked if you played guitar yeah do you finally want to jam sometime yeah that was really weird uh and then I think another couple years went by because in COVID yeah another couple years came by sorry and then

[00:38:46] I was just so eager to get out and do something with music that I said let's just put out an ad for a drummer and see if it can form a band so we put something on Craigslist yeah oh Craigslist okay we met we gotta bring that back

[00:38:58] go back to Craigslist we're bringing the Craigslist back baby there you go they hit it yeah we put out an ad we first person that came and auditioned we just said that same shit let's go with this you didn't even audition anyone yeah you'll do no

[00:39:12] the first audition though my my strings broke oh really I don't remember that okay so Garrett our drummer he came over and she's got like a little set tiny room he's house and it's not very good no fun no it's not and he hated the drums it's bad

[00:39:28] my drum set is really shitty okay the drum set is or the room what the room or the drum set the room is great okay the the drum set is yeah drum set's no good it's bad um uh yeah it is and he's like

[00:39:42] uh I think next time we can play with my drums no offense but it was just for me because like we were all setting up in this like small room that was like prior from there to there like very small yeah

[00:39:51] and the drums take up like all the room and I just have like a practice amp and like my acoustic electric at the time it's like tiny little not even my electric but yeah and so I you know I was plug-in setting up the core doing the tuning

[00:40:03] and and so I went like I broke two strings yeah and then it was like and he's like uh well maybe we could do this at my house because like we didn't even really get and to into anything oh really and then uh

[00:40:16] I don't if you remember that but like all that setup for I remember thinking I bet he thinks we're weird just amateurs he was just because he was so kind of non responsive yeah feel like if I remember correctly well we were all genuinely getting back into music

[00:40:29] at the same time out of practice and we hadn't played in like 10 years as just individual musicians and artists so I was just doing like open mics by myself and not singing just playing just piano yeah just playing I just want

[00:40:42] because I was in a band in Chicago too for a while there so that's like most of my experience there before I moved here and then once I moved here I was just doing open mics and really didn't find people to actually want to commit or play

[00:40:58] so that kind of like uh brought down the drive a little bit to be like because I'm in a band I play way more now than like when I wasn't just playing by myself because I have a motivation to like write and it's like a drive

[00:41:14] and it's like different obviously because we all have jobs and work and stuff like that but like when I was in college I was playing like several hours a day I felt like such a different player at the time because nothing was really outside effecting besides like

[00:41:28] you just focus on I didn't give a shit about my studies but uh yeah it was just like one of those things that's just what you did and now it's different but now I have that motivation to like write songs and that's it's nice

[00:41:40] that's the difference I think it's been nice playing out yeah too and writing and yeah fun with the band yeah yeah yeah but yeah I think we've eventually found our groove and stuff because like even carrot he he didn't play for like 15 years before

[00:41:55] posting that ad on crexus so he was like way it was a long time get a lot of dust on his guitar I mean yeah he still played very well but I can tell I think there's a difference in all of us yeah

[00:42:08] two and a half years ago to now yeah I mean you can be talented and like kind of lose like you have to hone into your talent like you could be naturally talented but unless you're working on it that's a thing

[00:42:21] it's just not going to be as good but then at the same point when we're talking about how sometimes like the most simple thing is is like the one that blows you up it's because like sometimes we can over complicate it too that's true you're in your head

[00:42:34] and I think about the complication of things yeah because we have that discussion Herman and I do at times about in terms of like maybe a format that I stick to sometimes and try to get out of that flow like that newer song

[00:42:50] that we were trying to do and there's like four different parts after the original yeah which is in chorus and it almost sounds like a different song after that which I think is cool it's cool to break out of that thing but sometimes I think about

[00:43:03] maybe we are taking it to this crazy level that maybe we don't need to I don't know sometimes I feel weird when it's like too simple as well and I'm like I gotta add a thing here I gotta do a thing here it's gotta be this stop

[00:43:17] there's gonna be like this riff there has to be this are you question if it's going to be boring or interesting? yeah because I also want to have fun playing it too I like to move a lot but it's like but maybe it's okay to just

[00:43:29] well I do that too with melody and lyrics where I'm like I think I might be matching the guitar too much and so people no it's fine might not like it and then yeah you just second guess yourself if it's well because sometimes if it's so simple

[00:43:42] like what you said it's like it can't it can't work if it's this easy but a lot of times like the most simplest thing is generally the right answer yeah like um like first Bill Withers like his song just repeats the same ain't no sunshine

[00:43:58] like he just repeats that phrase a lot and it's a hit yeah Bill Withers is good yeah that's true you know Tom Petty three chords AC DC three chords yeah and AC DC is like a perfect example of that for sure yeah Angus hopping around to the tempo

[00:44:11] and you got you know 40 years of rock and roll yeah and like 20 other songs all have the same progression just different tempo pretty much everything you can hear it yeah like that's an AC DC song yep yeah just tell that's the other thing too

[00:44:25] is like creating that sound and having almost like by accident having or creating your own song like you always know like if you hear Jimmy Hendrix play you know it's your Henry Hendrix play like and then fast-forwarding to today like Gary Clark Jr. I feel like that's

[00:44:42] love him like you just know when he's playing or you hear Jack White you know yeah it's Jack White because he's doing all those crazy high pitch notes and crazy weird stuff and like you just know and it's like but he also plays really simple

[00:44:54] I think sometimes too so I mean some of his most used and easiest song or whatever is like Seven Nation Army or whatever and that's like everybody uses it every college around you know yeah it's it's so easy and just repeats it's all and it's catchy

[00:45:12] everyone knows it gets stuck in their head yeah people are dancing to it why do I freaking know this yeah it's been around for like 20 years almost yep it's crazy people put it as their ring tone they love it yeah yeah they soak it up

[00:45:22] but that's a good point too I mean things that get stuck in your head are probably the most simple oh yeah yeah yeah riffs yeah and those catchy choruses I mean I wrote a song with the ridge runners called phone ring that you remember

[00:45:33] that's the one that got stuck it was like probably the one of the worst songs that we wrote like from a outsider standpoint or from our standpoint as a band like this is so dumb but people love the chorus it just had like that catchiness to it yeah

[00:45:44] and that's usually with sticks you know Tom Petty made a career doing that for sure all those again you can always tell a Tom Petty song like oh that's Petty don't even necessarily by the you know the heartbreakers just the way he sings

[00:45:54] in the way of chorus transitions and stuff yeah um but yeah guitar players right now for me that stand is Billy Strings you guys familiar with him yeah just amazing yeah young he's like late 20s just ripping kind of bluegrass style yeah oh yeah yeah yeah

[00:46:06] he's really really good yeah I think um I think it's Tim Henson you know him from Polypia or probably I don't know how to pronounce it yeah the name sounds familiar he's freaking insanely fast and insanely like effortless Rodrigo and Gabriella yeah Yvette Young from Covet

[00:46:23] if you've heard of her she kind of plays a guitar like a piano okay it's very oh that's cool very strange very weird she's also like a violinist so she has Larkin Poe she has her guitar oh Larkin Poe's great I love them yeah they're amazing man I

[00:46:36] I want to see them when they're in town the first song I ever heard by them was the uh Phil Collins cover their covers are awesome yeah I'm trying to think yeah what Phil Collins song that was we do a lot of covers so they're really rad

[00:46:47] they're good have you seen them she had she plays her guitar like a piano you probably see it's she's like a slide guitar like a slide guitar yeah that's what it is yeah and they're attractive females that helps you know with the views and whatnot

[00:46:58] but they just won their a Grammy this year did they? yeah maybe for them oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you were there I was there I saw them you were there you read the Grammy's? yeah I saw them collect it yeah she votes I don't vote

[00:47:09] I have voting power yeah not yet yeah that's right you're one of them higher up ranking officials in the music world aren't you I'm not I just got I got lucky I think yeah maybe next year I can vote but I can't this year I never

[00:47:23] that's pretty cool though I never say his name right and I probably should know it Tosin Abbasari from animals as leaders do you know him? I don't know that one do you play like an H-string guitar and it's like there's barely a body on it

[00:47:36] so he can go like so far up the neck and he also does this like independence thing with his thumb where he's doing this other thing that's different from what he's doing here I don't know how he does it sounds good though huh

[00:47:48] it you have to be in a serious mood to listen to them no it's what kind of style would you say he is it's like well it's a blend of like math rock and metal but like really heavy metal oh it's heavy and metal it's fucking

[00:48:02] well I only say it just because it's it's complex like what he's doing it's very complex it's very it almost feels like there's movements to the song where they almost don't ever come back but they do eventually until like the motif of the song but

[00:48:14] I can't even explain the time changes like that it's kind of how Billy Strings is just on an acoustic side it's crazy it's you have to watch him play and Matt Garska I think the drummer is like he's incredible yeah like his drumming videos are

[00:48:26] I'm not a drummer but I can watch him and just be like this is insane I don't know what you're doing but it's incredible yeah I don't know where I was going with that thought but just appreciating these yeah I would I just

[00:48:40] I wish I knew how to pronounce his name I would say look him up for sure because he's fucking awesome it'll come to you probably when we wrap filming I just say yeah right as you're following us Tosin it's like yeah well a T-O-S-I-N sounds like Tosin Tosin

[00:48:54] and then A-B-A-S-A-I A-B-A-S-I all right so if I type that in it will come up I don't know we'll give it a look like I talked too long about that now there's a lot of inspirational musicians out there Tommy Emmanuel is another one that comes to mind yeah

[00:49:13] familiar with him yeah the stuff he can do the guitar is unreal never heard of him yeah I think he's from like Australia or something okay or yeah he's uh he's from somewhere yeah maybe New Zealand yeah something with an accent he's from one of those

[00:49:25] countries that have Walibys in it or something he's been here just Australia I think he's Australia yeah I don't think I think only Walibys live in Australia he plays I love it sometimes does he? three concerts yeah Tommy Emmanuel yeah I need to go to that next time

[00:49:39] I mean just the videos I've seen he's incredible and he plays with all like Billy Strings and all these upcoming guys yeah okay he's got a pretty cool style Molly Tuttle's another one that comes to mind that's coming up I don't know I'm kind of like

[00:49:50] I'm in that weird because I'm a country music fan but I don't like the mainstream stuff it's all bubblegum pop does he do that that's what I've kind of I don't know much about country but that's what I've noticed I just don't like it as much yeah

[00:50:02] it feels it's not really country it's pop music it's overly produced thank you yeah overly produced the next thing I was gonna say it's hard to listen to it's just not my jam for sure I like the old school stuff you know a guy with a banjo

[00:50:15] and a sick string on his porch some real hillbilly shit yeah it feels more genuine yeah I think it feels more like emotionally right emotional yeah whatever's happening now yeah Nashville's kind of turned into LA almost yeah that's what we've been saying yeah have you there

[00:50:32] or have you ever been it's a national through it okay I never stopped yeah I go a couple times and whenever I go there all the publishers they'll say Nashville isn't it's not just country anymore they're trying really hard to convince me otherwise

[00:50:44] but if you go to all the bars and stuff it's still got still got country but you're right it's all pop I mean because their songwriter is trying to get work they're trying to get signed but all the publishers are out there so um

[00:50:55] but it still has that toying if you go outside of Nashville a little bit oh yeah yeah yeah those whole in the wall bars some of the best country music I've ever seen and I don't even know who the band is like never heard of them you know

[00:51:05] just up and comers some of the best music on the streets in Nashville or Texas for that matter well I mean and they care too like yeah like they're out there because when when you're in your 20s like in your young and you're like trying to get after

[00:51:17] like you have all the energy you didn't get beat up too much yet yeah yeah yeah and that different energy yeah when you're younger making music like I still want to make music but it's just it's just not the same like you know as it was

[00:51:32] when I was a kid like I had to make it yeah but now it's it's kind of shifted a little bit so it's kind of interesting seeing those those young hungry people like they're gonna they're gonna get out there and really do a good job yeah yeah

[00:51:44] because they feel like they're what if there's that opportunity like especially being in Nashville like there might just be that opportunity that just helps you get bigger well they understand the value of they're raised in that so you know they probably think it's more possible

[00:51:58] and maybe it is more possible for them because TikTok discoverability and stuff that we didn't really get you know brought up in I think there's like that innocence of like also thinking more content you put out or whatever just doing whatever yeah just keep I mean you said

[00:52:14] just show up showing up is you don't know what you don't know and you don't like like you said not being beat up by the world I guess yet mm-hmm yeah yeah yeah but I love the sound I love what y'all are doing right now sweet

[00:52:30] Kevin was playing one of the songs earlier and I hadn't heard it yet and I thought that it was like a professional like commercial type of like it's it sounded like it belonged on like TV or like okay on the radio or something like

[00:52:43] it's one of those on your Instagram yeah really it really fit in I was like oh this sounds really good probably Queens yeah Queens Queens the one that our drummer wants to remove it's prior most cut that Queen jail though probably it's probably our most upbeat song

[00:52:59] it's fun I like it I think and the you know sound engineer did a really awesome job yeah it's fun to play too I think it's I write almost exclusively in minor keys because I just think they're more interesting I love minor keys yeah I just

[00:53:14] it suits your voice well and I think I like the tone of it it sets a cool ambience I guess too so it's like but Queens is the only one that's kind of like what's going on here you guys seem happy awesome is that true I wonder

[00:53:29] well it's well because the time it's like out of the other well I mean Swallow's kind of yeah that one's straightforward where to begin sounds happy you know yeah yeah I guess so a little bit maybe sorry how many tracks do you guys have on the record

[00:53:47] or is the record out we have it'll be coming out August 2nd okay here we go oh that's gonna be August 2nd and then you heard it here first yeah we found out this morning we were working with the public assistant he was gonna help timing is everything

[00:54:00] yeah I know and then you guys reach out to us and we have a date they're about to take a lift home who knows what's gonna happen yeah yeah ask them you need a drummer yeah oh that's cool oh yeah so we have four it's a

[00:54:11] it's a four track EP EP yep and then hang me out which is on our YouTube channel that's going to be the lead single on it and then yeah yeah I'm excited about it but that's exciting that's big news yeah I think that's a big news yeah

[00:54:26] we'll have a CD release party I'm still figuring out the details of that yeah fun yeah there's so many people I know that don't that want to come to our shows but they can't stay out late so I was thinking of going to a place

[00:54:39] where we are not having to play at 11 or 10 and doing a day a day checking cheese or something yeah yeah chucky cheese to senior center yeah uh you're like up there you're like fuck these animatronics yeah take a look at the stage and shit it's a special

[00:54:54] chucky cheese fuck ai kicking the animatronics exactly that's what the name of our CD release party yeah fuck animatronics rule 34 on that yeah that's bad that's bad that's funny though well that's that's super exciting album release happening yeah show coming up in august as well

[00:55:16] yeah we have a a show July 25th a show July 27th okay August 12th yeah yeah yeah okay send us those dates and and venue locations and whatnot we'll include them in the show notes so people that catch this in the next day to whatever week

[00:55:30] they can get there yeah definitely excited yeah we should um just for the listeners maybe we can talk through the sound a little bit too I mean we mentioned a little bit of 90s grunge with them female vocals yeah I think your co-worker mentioned tool yeah tool

[00:55:44] with like a female Alison Chains they're all some of my favorite bands deaf tones kind of um I think there's definitely some prog rock which is yeah see like tool and stuff like that yeah publicist mentioned the Alanis Morcette if she went rock if she went heavy metal

[00:56:00] yeah yeah yeah something like that Alanis Morcette yeah um I think yeah it's definitely inspired by the 90s but I think with like a little bit of a modern twist especially like vocally because I think I don't know your vocals and lyrics are very well defined

[00:56:14] and I think they all have like a really good purpose to every song I think I don't know how she finds some of the melodies that you do I think it's because you know I come up with the stuff and then I bring it and I show

[00:56:26] and then it's like so I'm not writing around the melody she's writing around the arrangement kind of thing so it's a little bit of a different I mean I think a lot of people do that or you know a version of that but um I think definitely

[00:56:42] inspired by tool Alison Chains um Devtones Nirvana Devtones Fiona Apple I guess Yeah Do a vocal You may Yeah I learned a lot of strong like song structure and stuff from that that kind of era and like sounds and like what like my band and Chicago was like

[00:57:05] much different I think than this I enjoyed playing that but I always kind of wanted to play more like this it's almost like it's like it's like if you had a um it's almost like if you had a truck that wasn't four by four or like

[00:57:23] a Jeep that wasn't four by four and you're like what's the point of this thing so it's like I have a guitar and I'm like what I like the analogy so far yeah and it's like so what's the point of this thing it's like

[00:57:33] so if I got this amp and I got this distortion like I want to use it and it's just fun because it's you have that energy and you're like fucking like hitting the thing and like it's just fun yeah and um huh it wasn't what kind of music

[00:57:44] was your Chicago band I feel like it was kind of I feel like it was like pop rock it was catchy and it was fun and I played bass in that band so it was a little bit different so this is way different because now I'm like

[00:57:58] I think there's like more responsibility in terms of like because I'm writing the songs in that one it was like the singer and the guitarist and I would write my lines around that and so now this is like singer and guitarist but yeah I think doing it

[00:58:11] like this is like I guess gave me confidence or I guess like I've been writing songs for a long time but I didn't really I guess I would yeah I didn't I didn't even really show them to the my bandmates back home because I was just like I

[00:58:28] I like what we're doing I'm grateful being this band this is fun like we got to play amazing shows in Chicago like crazy venues and I never thought venues that like Metallica has played and like stuff like that like I literally kissed the stage because I'm like

[00:58:41] I was standing here and they were here like weird shit like that where you're like I can't believe this shit so I'm like grateful from that aspect but but I never felt like super creatively filled go off-road yeah go off-road exactly you get it yeah you get it

[00:58:55] so it's like putting four love yeah exactly yeah so I was like one of the things was like I didn't I had fun but it's different because it's just like we grew up in that era so like we're kind of trying to bring the spirit of it back

[00:59:10] I think in a way I like it yeah spirit of grunge grunge has a place yeah I think so but like a little bit of a twist on it I think and the nice thing is is that it's trending now anyway so it's not like we're out yeah

[00:59:23] exactly we don't we're not old fogies yeah yeah but I also don't have a problem like if if it sounds right I think we could explore it you know it's like I don't want to just put into a box but I like the path that we're on

[00:59:38] right now for sure like I've enjoyed I'm very proud of the EP coming out for sure I'm excited because like like you can see the evolution I think of our sound yeah from like when we first started to now yeah to what it is now and like yeah

[00:59:54] I just feel like there's a lot of possibilities now it's fun yeah yeah it's fun and it's really cool too because you know before we were hoping we can get a show but now we're getting emailed for shows which is yeah that's really interesting when like

[01:00:07] venue like reaches out yeah that's flattering I guess or that's a compliment yeah that's really sell yourself they want you to play yeah you know yeah and like I guess that's a really good indication like it's it's such a different thing when we're the ones reaching out yeah

[01:00:21] organizing it yeah it's stressful though like trying to make sure you bring the crowd in and it's a lot of it's a lot of stress part of it it is that works in a life and if it's it's a lot yeah yeah do you feel social media

[01:00:31] is a good tool for that no no I feel like it hasn't done much but I think we just aren't putting the time and energy towards it that we probably should about reaching out to my friends and family and telling them about shows so we should

[01:00:47] we could do better and marketing ourselves yeah I think some of my friends don't like realize where we're at right now yeah like some of my really good friends but like my friends at work like they're all about it like yeah that's cool they've come to like

[01:01:02] multiple shows which is I think really complimentary that they're willing to leave people struggle to leave their house yeah that was just gonna say this point yeah but like yeah that's another really cool thing that I've loved about when we play out is

[01:01:16] every time we talk to somebody they point out a different song of ours that they really like so it hasn't been the same song because I feel like a lot of bands there's one song that's everyone's favorite and I I feel like everyone picks a different song

[01:01:28] that they like well it's crazy you can call like I don't know how to say it but like there was a guy who came to our show last show we played a show with him back in November and he came out just to see us yeah

[01:01:42] and I was like what the hell that's so cool that's crazy that's so cool that he made the downtown which is not fun yeah because it was a Rockies game it was something was going on at my all high guys on market which is like the dead crazy

[01:01:53] it was just center of like there's no park and there's nothing it's like all this hassle for this really cool to go down there and it's like and his favorite song is like the more like musicianship like it has the most like pro-dark times which one Joker Joker

[01:02:08] like he's like I fall down on the way I was like I would I would blast that in my truck like if is that he's like yes as if it if it's out anyway it's like it's not out yet but it will be yeah and I was like

[01:02:17] that's awesome and then other people who might not have that year for like musicianship I said that word again but uh they like the more like the simplistic songs like queens is always kind of like we get a good reaction from queens yeah um I think dreams

[01:02:33] is always kind of a standard across the board it's a good in terms of the stage I feel like we get good stage reaction but I don't know if it's the same audio yeah sometimes joker is like I love playing that song but it's only

[01:02:45] I feel like it's very specific to yeah to that's very Alice and chains right it's very awesome chains and tool yeah blended because it's just like five four four seven four five it's like all over the place it's got a lot of weird times I like it yeah

[01:03:00] I'm not jamming for sure yeah yeah I love Alice change I'll send you a link to our unreleased EP you can do a secret preview we get the early access yeah and I just want to make Claire I'm not saying we play like Alice and chains

[01:03:11] we're definitely not as good as no I'm just saying there is an influence there's a like almost like paying playing homage what's the word paying homage paint paint yeah paying paying playing yeah playing homage in this case yeah it's definitely yeah exactly yeah you see yeah punning

[01:03:32] well yeah we'll fix it in the edits but so yeah that's kind of what I feel I just I don't like to say like yeah we sound like them or whatever but I'm like I didn't even pick it up when I was writing it that it was like

[01:03:45] Alice and chains we just hear it from people oh this is this and I was like yeah you're right that's the thing about things kind of get into your brain that's the other thing is because we were playing inside of Garrett's garage for so long

[01:03:55] and so now we've been playing shows so it's our first time hearing feedback and how people are receiving things and how it's you know yeah received the market research interesting to hear like oh that's what it sounds like or that's how this comes across so that's been fun

[01:04:08] our stage presence is getting better I feel like and so it's been cool to play out more and just get better at some of those things we had a guy at the last show who was taking video he's a rapper and he wants to do a collaboration

[01:04:24] so that's something that we also have coming out that's cool which is really cool yeah yeah let's just like record with them and stuff and again that's the other thing on cross-pollinating like different audiences because if they come out to see him and then we play on

[01:04:37] that or vice versa then you get two different people yeah and I think it's just a cool experience to try a different genre that we don't play or really have anything to do with but it's like he thought our music would fit on a track

[01:04:51] and he would wrap over it so yeah we'll see how it goes yeah so it's gonna be interesting we're yeah we're still talking about logistics of the song and all that stuff still well there might be like arrangement issues because the recordings he sent were

[01:05:06] it sounded like they were underwater so it's actually really hard to tell what he's playing he's just like it's in B minor well the guitarist reached out to us yesterday and asked if we would be interested in just hearing it in person cool well that's the best yeah

[01:05:20] that would help yeah that would help oh yeah exciting but it's a good exercise I think too yeah to like try something yeah there's another band you play with called Paranoid Image they're really awesome and they talked about doing a set where they jump on the drums

[01:05:36] and we just have all the drummers on stage just going wild on one of our songs that's our next show oh yeah our next show they're gonna do that he's got like a seven piece bongo set moringa set like and so he's gonna do that

[01:05:48] yeah they're more hand hand drums yeah that's pretty fun though yeah draw some energy yeah I think it'll be cool heavy toms and stuff so it really fits having more and then you'll be on a tom too right yep I'm gonna bring my floor time

[01:06:00] gonna bring the Fisher Price drum set yeah I am definitely my drummer actually gave us a good buy his old heads so that I could fix mine oh excellent the heads need replaced yeah yeah it was a little TLC yeah it's just one of those standard kits

[01:06:15] we just bought the full kit and I just kept it yeah and it's gonna come in handy yeah I think so yeah I'm excited because it's weird I won't be here for that rehearsal so it makes me a little anxious but they're gonna practice to what

[01:06:29] like our all the stem yeah so that would be fine but we'll see my first time playing will be at the show okay I'm sure it'll be fine and you're gonna crash that boy in yeah yeah yeah yeah but I think it'd be fun

[01:06:42] because they've seen us play the last three shows yeah I think it'll be fine so he's pretty familiar with that song yeah and it's what a 30 minute said it's really short so it's just for fun show at mercury cafe mercury ballroom mercury well at the mercury cafe

[01:06:58] yeah we're gonna need a list of like all three spots spots days and times and that way we could share all that but mentioning about sharing and social media where would you like to direct everybody where can people check you out online at heart shaped zombie

[01:07:14] that's our handle for everywhere we have a tick tock as well yeah oh nice we do I see you're learning as much as we are yeah because I don't I don't have I don't have instagram I don't have snapchat I don't have a tick tock

[01:07:26] I don't have like those things so sometimes he likes to come up with ideas I like to come up with ideas and say like we should do this and you should do this yeah that's basically what I say creative director yeah I mean it worked at the ball

[01:07:39] great ideas I just be nice he said he did it and then turn it up it's on the mic can't take it away now you should do it okay okay what was I saying yeah I didn't even know we had a tick tock that's cool

[01:07:56] we're learning a lot of things tick tocks not bad yeah like they always cap my videos at like 230 do they yeah they like cap it right at 230 I've only hit like 700 yeah we weren't getting very many responses but I just posted like views

[01:08:09] yeah and it's supposed to be bad but the video I posted today got 2,021 100 or something it's the end we did the family matters 90s sitcom oh yeah we saw that we saw that with the bowling yeah that one got 2,000 hit sun wasn't that full house

[01:08:24] tick tock yeah was it full house yeah I can remember family matters that was definitely full house this is the same dad whatever happened to you is it the same guy milk man yeah that actually was kind of a fun video we watched in its entirety

[01:08:34] pretty sure yeah yeah 2,000 views on tick tock because you're the same producers maybe that's what you're missing try that use that sound clip and see how your views are get some bob sag it going so I heard that using hashtags actually is not good

[01:08:49] I heard that recently as well and that's because when you use a hashtag so no hashtags let me explain this no hashtags first it's gonna like go into this new algorithm but when you put a hashtag in it then 50% of the algorithm like goes toward those hashtags

[01:09:07] and only people who are searching those hashtags so technically you're removing like this whole basis because you're relying on people to be searching those hashtags so it doesn't leave the total search open to like anyone to receive it it takes 50% of that so I was looking

[01:09:24] I was like looking at some stuff I've read that and the other thing I've read is that they're moving more towards authentic like captions and that's what they're using to decide who to feed your content to and so they want you to just put longer tail information about

[01:09:39] hey here's my band and here's what we're doing and hope you guys are having a great day whatever you want to say they're relying more on that and your copywriting versus the hashtags they're seeing that as more authentic of who you're trying to reach

[01:09:52] I mean we've been doing this five and a half years we're there's no figuring it out it changes always changes there's no figuring it out well that's the same with yeah the SEO Google search they change it every two weeks so that you can't keep up with it

[01:10:03] correct yeah YouTube's notorious for that we love YouTube thank you for continuing to make it tough for us but I mean it's just I think it's a good way to keep you authentic so that you're not just keyword stuffing or you're on a black hat trip exactly

[01:10:15] we're getting stuck in a box if you're always authentic then you don't have to worry about keeping up with the algorithms that's true that's probably the purest point I've heard all day yep yep instead of copy and pasting you know because basically what it is

[01:10:26] that's what folks trying to do what's what's trending let me put that in there and hope it takes off yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so super excited for for everything coming up yeah when I see all those dates and times maybe I'll end up at one

[01:10:38] of your shows I just think you're gonna come down for a visit yeah that'd be awesome yeah well I was gonna say we'll give you our drink tickets but you guys also don't care about your drink all we said yeah well we we will be first time selling

[01:10:50] our merch yeah we have merch for the first time shirts I should have brought one let's do it but dang we should have wore it I I have it in the car actually what was I saying see this what I'm talking about it's bad at marketing you know

[01:11:07] ah we got a shirt should have brought it I know it's like that with us so instead of business cards we use stickers yeah yeah we got stickers and I think I think we need more stickers we do need more stickers I gotta order more

[01:11:17] we need more stickers you got stickers in your pocket usually behind your ear and then whenever you offer when if you run into a stranger and then I like to do this it's like a reward when people are courteous and nice and I'll be like you know what

[01:11:34] that was so courteous that you just held that door for me or that was if I really appreciate your comment I'm like you've earned a sticker mine and then everyone always gets super excited they're like I get a sticker that's awesome and you're like

[01:11:46] yes and it's a podcast sticker and they're like ah that's awesome even better yeah that's so cool that's a good idea the stickers are good well if we get like a little heart shape ones yeah it's kindness the zombie kindness yeah yeah yeah it's catchy

[01:12:00] people put it on their now gene or their you know which Stanley I guess Stanley's big enough help a zombie today help a zombie today yeah but yeah there's a lot of fun hashtags and yeah little slogans you can come up with have fun with it

[01:12:15] I like your brains well epic epic having the two of you on thanks so much this was fun really good seeing you again Steven it was nice meeting you for the first time see you man and we're excited to push this episode see some some growth

[01:12:31] out of the band that'd be awesome yeah we'll do what we can over here yeah I appreciate it thank you so much for having us on it's a lot of fun this flew by yeah this is really interesting very cool we'll do it again

[01:12:43] boy are my arms tired I didn't set that up right but I just I forgot to say it he's been waiting all years never boy are my arms tired it's in there now yeah I just didn't have an opportunity I did but I what is this no

[01:12:59] there's a podcast that we watch call take your shoes off and he says boy are my arms tired well because he'll be like yeah you know I'm from Cleveland boy are my arms tired and people don't react to it when they do it because they don't get it

[01:13:11] yeah nobody gets the joke okay and I should have said it when I was like in the band in Chicago I that's when I said I was in the band in Chicago boy are my arms tired and then and then oh yeah that would have been good

[01:13:23] that's okay though or when we were talking about now I said it rule 34 yeah boy are my arms tired that would have fit yeah yeah I mean it could fit anywhere it's a tier well for us it's very funny but if you don't know it

[01:13:37] it's not that funny and on that bombshell yeah thanks for tuning in yeah we'll see you on happy Friday tomorrow be good to yourselves you deserve it yeah sweet yeah we'll cut it