EVANOFF | Discussion Combustion Podcast | #257

[00:00:00] We'll have this discussion. Discussion? What discussion? This is a discussion

[00:00:05] Coming to you from Danver, Colorado

[00:00:08] This is discussion combustion podcast with your hosts Kevin Batstone and Arthur Rawe

[00:00:15] Good to get it. Yeah, we're red. We're dialed. We're live. We're in it

[00:00:18] What's up?

[00:00:19] Good, heaven off. The couch is full right now

[00:00:22] This is the most we've ever had in here. The couch is full

[00:00:25] Well hopefully but between our combined until I can be as entertaining as a single person

[00:00:30] Or 3x

[00:00:32] Yeah, no, this should be good. Thanks for joining us guys

[00:00:34] I'm trying to think how did you guys reach out to us or did we I don't even remember how we got hooked up?

[00:00:38] I think you reached out to them. You can get a message from you. Okay, yeah, three Instagram

[00:00:43] I was like hey, man. I want to do the show and you're like, yeah, cuz it was like a couple months ago

[00:00:46] We've had you booked for a while. Yep, so it's amazing. We're time goes good to have you all here

[00:00:50] Yeah, thanks for having us man. Really appreciate it. Where was the last show that y'all ran?

[00:00:55] But you play Stanley Stanley Oh really, okay, so that was a cool experience

[00:01:00] I think all growing up around here for the most part

[00:01:04] The Stanley is one of those places you hear about and to finally stay there and stuff was really cool

[00:01:08] Okay, you guys have to stay overnight. Yeah, yeah

[00:01:10] We made sure to do that this time because last time we did not get to stay there

[00:01:16] Frozen Dead guy days. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I heard about that

[00:01:19] Yeah, so it was kind of like a music not a festival but a bunch of bands coming in

[00:01:23] Yeah, it started in Netherlands

[00:01:25] With that weird folklore about the dead guy that was frozen they used to parade him around town. Oh, yeah, that's real. Yeah

[00:01:31] Oh, yeah, no it is real

[00:01:34] The shining when he's all frozen out there. Yeah, isn't that like what the shining was loosely based around?

[00:01:39] Yes, where he stayed and rode it. Yeah, that's right

[00:01:42] Oh, yeah, and then while you're there you definitely pick up the creepy vibe like you don't understand why I was inspirational

[00:01:48] I think it's mostly to do with the Hanbjans and like the patterns on the on the carpets and the way things are arranged

[00:01:53] But yeah something unsettling. Yeah, you think like more at like nighttime like you stayed the night there

[00:01:59] Yeah, so yeah, cuz I was just I stopped by during the day a couple weekends ago

[00:02:04] And just like had a had a beer at the bar like nice and I was trying to like

[00:02:09] Open up my aura to like seeing if I could feel feel anything going on there

[00:02:13] And I was all like, you know trying to channel it and see if I could get this to happen in and I didn't feel anything

[00:02:19] But I don't know if they like the daytime is doesn't work. I don't know all the staff. They all have different crazy stories

[00:02:25] Yeah, okay. Yeah, did you anything happen at night when you guys were there any doors open or anything?

[00:02:30] It's kind of like constantly like you'll hear like a you know a weird knock or a scream or something like that

[00:02:35] But it's in the middle of a conversation so you kind of like

[00:02:39] Right you so you're like it could be anything right, but then it keeps happening

[00:02:43] And then like yeah after it, you know time number three or four you're like what's going on here?

[00:02:49] But I don't remember anything too directly. I never got touched

[00:02:54] Nothing came out and grab you now. That's alright though. It's still a fun experience

[00:02:57] I've never seen a show there, but I hear that it's a good decent venue

[00:03:00] Like comedians stuff will come through holds like what 300 people something like that

[00:03:04] That's like the prime spot for me like when I go to an intimate show

[00:03:07] I want it like 300 less

[00:03:08] Yeah, you know because then it's like that like the Pepsi Center or I guess it's ball arena now

[00:03:13] Like seeing shows there. It's like man. It's not the fun concert experience. I want to be able to catch a guitar pick

[00:03:19] I want to see the beer getting spit on me from the from the stage. I want to be a part of it

[00:03:23] Yeah, you don't get that feeling with the arena shows. Yeah, they have to spit really far

[00:03:28] Yeah, I know I feel that and like the sound quality

[00:03:31] I think there's a sacrifice there like I'm a big fan of stand-up comedy and some of our

[00:03:35] Favorite comedians will come through and then it's a big deal that they're playing arenas

[00:03:38] But then as a comedy fan, I'm like that's not I don't want to pay even though it's somebody I love

[00:03:42] Yeah, I don't want to go and pay and see them in a room and sit

[00:03:45] You know those bleed off the other way from them and yeah, cuz then you're just looking at the big screen anyway

[00:03:50] It's like I'm here staring at the screen rather than the stage. Yeah

[00:03:54] I don't like the performance perspective you lose that intimacy, right?

[00:03:57] Yep, that like feeling of connection with the audience is so that naturally does affect the performance

[00:04:01] So the vibes are different like that. Yeah, you feel that at those big shows

[00:04:05] Yeah, whenever we play ball arena at that time

[00:04:07] We're just a little bit too far away from the people in the back

[00:04:10] Oh

[00:04:11] What's the biggest venue you guys played?

[00:04:13] Um, I mean besides like the public circuit, but yeah, probably love it Pavilion. We are yeah, yeah

[00:04:19] Yeah, that's a good show. Yeah, it was awesome. Nice. Yeah, we did their free concert series. Is it two years two summers ago?

[00:04:27] Yeah, yeah, this is a lot of fun. That's actually that's our YouTube you can watch that set

[00:04:32] Oh, yeah, I think I did see that yeah an hour and 44 minutes. Yeah, check that out

[00:04:35] That's badass. Yeah, super fun. So they it takes it takes a lot though to like

[00:04:41] After you do it for a bit

[00:04:42] so I'm talking specifically about

[00:04:44] Performing live and like the live performance jitters right like overthinking things now

[00:04:51] Do you guys have like moments where you feel like or like you actually do mess up and you just keep it rolling

[00:04:58] And then nobody notices. Yeah, so far

[00:05:01] So far nobody's noticing

[00:05:05] Recovery is everything because we play with computers too and yeah when you're dealing with especially two computers that are talking to each other

[00:05:12] There's a lot of stuff that can go wrong in between that

[00:05:15] Mm-hmm, and so when that stuff happens

[00:05:18] We also have mics that we communicate with each other through our head our ears

[00:05:22] So we've gotten good and we've kind of rehearsed

[00:05:26] When shit goes wrong?

[00:05:28] Like we can talk our way through this don't stop playing because you know like music is weird and as soon as like

[00:05:34] You act like there's a misty something bad going wrong. That's the only time that the audience really knows

[00:05:40] like

[00:05:41] Yeah, who's the DJ?

[00:05:45] Yeah

[00:05:47] So well, but she decided to tell everyone

[00:05:51] professionalism that

[00:05:52] Comes as you play more and more shows like in the beginning. I remember messing up like triggering certain things

[00:05:58] Mentally like I was ruined like damn it that affects the performance and then the audience knows it

[00:06:03] But like you're saying yeah, if you can play through it and pass it off as just part of the show most people have no idea

[00:06:09] Hey, yeah, it takes rehearsal. It just takes time messing up

[00:06:12] Yeah, how to get through it. Yeah when having the confidence in each other like okay

[00:06:16] We got this if something goes through the hiccup we're gonna get through it

[00:06:19] Not make a big scene about it

[00:06:20] We've had shows where like you know like Jake was mentioning our two computers are working in tandem

[00:06:25] But we've had shows where mines gone down or JJ's gone down and then someone forgets to rely on the other guys on stage

[00:06:32] Keep it going make it exciting. So you can like totally

[00:06:35] Over there on the side. Yeah, but so there's not like lyrics going off

[00:06:40] So then you're like talking to each other you're like this internal comms. Yes. Yeah, that's pretty cool

[00:06:46] Yeah

[00:06:47] It's funny because a lot of our fans will ask like can you release music with the like talkback mics is what they're called

[00:06:52] Okay, my score would that goes just to our ears and not to the audience

[00:06:55] Yeah, and like people have asked like can we get recordings with that in the mix so they know what we're doing

[00:07:00] That would be kind of cool. Yeah, I think we were thinking about doing for like a patreon type thing

[00:07:04] I was gonna say perfect patron so they can hear our banter and like what we're saying to each other

[00:07:09] So now you're telling stupid jokes and talking shit

[00:07:13] Communication

[00:07:16] We want to do in the song or what song we want to play next yeah

[00:07:19] How we want to get there people love that stuff including me like seeing that behind the scenes or like when we do bloopers

[00:07:24] Cuz we do a show that's a little bit more scripted than this and I fuck up all the time

[00:07:28] And so it's great to release that to people because it's like look at this. You know you get some comedic relief out of it

[00:07:33] Why not it's fun. It's real people what did what's the name say people relate to your messes more than your milestones

[00:07:38] Oh, yeah, which is kind of true. You know people like to watch that shit. Yeah, go on it full send it

[00:07:42] Yeah, absolutely

[00:07:43] Yeah, I mean I feel like that is good content too because it like it shows like these other layers and

[00:07:49] That's the interesting about interesting thing about music

[00:07:52] Like I used to like make hip-hop songs and like rap and stuff Kev used to play in a band too

[00:07:56] Like so that's like what we did prior to podcasting like we wanted to be more heavy musicians

[00:08:02] And like there's all these layers to music and like sometimes all I would stumble across something that really worked in a song

[00:08:09] Like by accident I would like come across it and like it's funny how like mistakes can really lead to

[00:08:16] Awesome moments while doing live performance, you know and it kind of like test you a little bit. Oh, it does keep you on your toes

[00:08:23] And I think that's like part of the musical experience is like being open to those

[00:08:27] I wouldn't call it like accidents or mistakes but unintentional things

[00:08:31] I'm being able to listen and then adapt and react to your own mistake

[00:08:35] Or maybe somebody else that or somebody else did something unintentionally and you can just jump on it. I wasn't pointing at

[00:08:46] Yeah, he makes beautiful mistakes and I just I ride that way happy little axis Bob Ross

[00:08:52] Part of that in part of like earlier when we were talking about making mistake on stage and recovering

[00:08:57] It's like if you just accept it and complete within in the moment

[00:08:59] Then maybe it wasn't a mistake

[00:09:01] Maybe it was a new idea that you didn't know you had until you played it

[00:09:04] Yeah, yeah, I remember one time are one of our live shows which I think you're out

[00:09:07] I used to play with a band called the Ridge Runners. We were like kind of country

[00:09:10] Rockish we call ourselves farm again in cow punk. We have the weird names

[00:09:14] But you know, I wasn't paying attention to the set list

[00:09:17] I literally played the whole next song like a full step lower than the rest of the band and nobody noticed

[00:09:22] Like I was able to just pull it off just strumming that guitar people like

[00:09:24] I guess that's what it's supposed to sound like and it was when we let's do it back

[00:09:27] I'm like Jesus. I got a tight enough next time

[00:09:30] I

[00:09:32] Mean we're all our own worst critic when it comes to all the creativity stuff

[00:09:37] But I mean you're still doing it right like so

[00:09:40] Like everyone has like a passion and a purpose in life, you know

[00:09:44] Do you do you all three feel like making music is like your purpose or does that as that part of your purpose?

[00:09:52] For me I feel like it's a default state at a certain point like you know getting older and then

[00:09:58] reexamining my relationship with music as a profession. I was like well

[00:10:03] This is what this thing does if I stepped out of myself completely and just objectively

[00:10:08] Saw this person who takes these actions and has these habits

[00:10:11] I'd be like, oh, this is a music-creating person

[00:10:13] Like that's what they should do because I'm obsessed with it. I won't do anything else or if I have free time

[00:10:18] That's what I'm gonna spin it on so it's like I shouldn't fight it

[00:10:20] Yeah, it comes more easily to me to work on this then it does to do anything else

[00:10:25] Then I'll use that as my my guide I guess but in terms of purpose. Is that purpose?

[00:10:30] Yeah, I don't know. I feel like

[00:10:34] I feel that sense of purpose when we're performing and stuff like that are specifically when we can see

[00:10:38] That our actions really affecting other people in a positive way

[00:10:41] And then especially when it comes to the part of like people reaching out to us and tell us how

[00:10:45] Our music has actually changed their life and actually affected them in like a positive way when they've gone through dark times

[00:10:51] That has given me a sense of greater purpose

[00:10:54] But out of that it's just kind of fun like it's something that's just so enjoyable that it's I mean

[00:10:59] It wouldn't make sense not to do it. Yeah, I mean

[00:11:03] Yeah, sometimes I feel like music chose me in a way because it was like

[00:11:06] Started a really early age and then my parents kind of nurtured that passion

[00:11:11] Which developed into something and you know there was times in my life where I like drifted away from it

[00:11:15] And then you keep finding your way back to that and I think the purpose or like the sense of

[00:11:22] Helping someone in a way or like just changing someone's experience of something

[00:11:27] I think that's really what I've been drawn to when we play shows and it's like it's super impactful

[00:11:32] People come up to you afterwards and they're like this changed my life, you know, like this really helped me through something

[00:11:39] It's really powerful and that's kind of the the juice that

[00:11:43] Keeps me going on it in a way. Yeah, I think at our core everybody wants to be able to have a positive effect on the world

[00:11:50] Yeah, so when you get those little tastes of that say, okay

[00:11:52] Maybe I'm in alignment with what I'm supposed to be doing and there's those reinforcements that you are actually like having a

[00:11:58] Positive impact on the community around you. I think that's always a good reinforcement

[00:12:03] And yeah, it's a powerful feeling being on stage and really having people reacting go crazy. It's intoxicating. Yeah, absolutely

[00:12:10] Yeah, it's a good feeling. I remember feeling that with the band like this is a little different

[00:12:14] It still scratches that it's like creativity. Yeah and reaching out to people and people can listen to this tomorrow

[00:12:19] Be like, oh you told that story. I meant something you still get that but there's nothing like here in the crowd

[00:12:23] You know make an eye contact with people are just rocking out to you

[00:12:26] Yeah, you know, it's a really cool experience that I don't think we get like even with stand-up comedy

[00:12:29] Like you have those moments. There's something about music that is yeah, you know, it's intoxicating

[00:12:34] It's just tremendous people are like truly present in that moment

[00:12:38] Like they're not absolutely like they might be whipping out their camera

[00:12:40] Like take a video for their future self to go back and listen to but like other than that

[00:12:44] They're like extremely present listening

[00:12:47] Dancing like you're in you feel the music. You know, it's like that presence and like everything that I've read like motivational

[00:12:55] Why is that's where you find life is right now? Yeah

[00:12:58] And so like you're almost helping people like tap into

[00:13:02] Experiencing life as it's happening opposed to like looking to the past or thinking about the future too

[00:13:07] Yeah in this really cool

[00:13:10] Rhythmic way like like you can only perceive not to get like to like Eckhart Tolle

[00:13:14] You know power up now like but like you can only perceive one beat at a time, right? So when we're playing a song

[00:13:20] It's like we're just feeding people one pulse of some kind of music

[00:13:25] Sequentially so that they can exist in this

[00:13:28] Yeah, so you read the book too. That's it's a great book

[00:13:32] Everyone in here

[00:13:35] Yeah, so I'm constantly trying to practice that so I'll be like I like to go on walks and move around like I need that

[00:13:40] But I think about that line where he's talking about or the author is talking about how you're like outside

[00:13:47] You're focusing on your breath

[00:13:48] You feel it and then like you look at the the field and there's like hundreds of thousands of blades of grass

[00:13:54] And like all these insects like living and dying like all this life and life is around us

[00:13:59] And like it's it's like this beating pulse which is it's cool and it sounds like you know and yeah

[00:14:05] I'm 420 friendly and stuff, but like but like there is there's a value to this even even if you're like straight sober like

[00:14:11] You know appreciating and making a conscious effort to

[00:14:16] notice it because in the modern society and

[00:14:21] Atmosphere like there's so many people like just stuck on their phones

[00:14:25] And like even in the elevator like that's I'm always in an elevator for some reason and like sometimes people would like

[00:14:30] Pull out their phones in the elevator and they're not even like looking at an email. They're not even like the big thing anybody back

[00:14:37] Yeah

[00:14:46] But it's I think the mind is looking for something to occupy itself

[00:14:50] And it's easier to default to this than to

[00:14:54] Sit in the void people don't know how to be bored anymore. I think is the thing

[00:14:57] It's like there's so much shit that can happen on their games youtube videos music

[00:15:02] Like it's an instant cure for boredom rather than just sitting in the moment be like, you know, I'm just gonna

[00:15:06] Watch the world go by

[00:15:08] Being in a creative field

[00:15:09] It's like boredom is the the soil that creativity comes from you know

[00:15:13] Like that's where the ideas come from or like that random thought or that song that pops into your head when you're not

[00:15:18] Doing something else. So I've been trying to be more mindful about it and not

[00:15:22] Not reaching out to the hip no square

[00:15:25] The hip no square. Yeah, the hip knows what's going on. We're all guilty of it

[00:15:29] Yeah, you know, I'll like close an app and reopen. I'm like, what am I doing?

[00:15:32] I just left this app

[00:15:35] It says a lot though about current state of society that like we can't cope with our own mind

[00:15:39] As in we need somebody to pull us away from what is actually going on

[00:15:42] It's kind of cool uncomfortable just being present and being like bored per se

[00:15:48] That we're constantly finding some way to distract ourselves from that

[00:15:51] And I don't know if it's a need. I think it's just like

[00:15:55] It feels better or like we have more serotonin release when we are scrolling on that than when we're not and I think

[00:16:01] Because of that and because of its access, it's like, well, why would I be present with myself?

[00:16:08] It's like this feels way better

[00:16:10] Like I don't even think people are thinking that deep into it. No, exactly

[00:16:15] Just passes right. Yeah. Yeah, just like a knee-jerk reaction to go for the phone

[00:16:19] We see a lot like going to a restaurant

[00:16:21] I love going to restaurants eaten by myself have to sit at the bar or whatever old school like meeting new people

[00:16:25] You're at an airport or whatever and doing that without your phone like is

[00:16:28] It's eye-opening you just look around the room and you see people on dates

[00:16:31] You see buddies hanging out and they're all just looking at their phones. It's like man. We're here to socialize with other people

[00:16:36] They're just like looking at their phones. We're having a meal. Yeah, it's like how do we get here?

[00:16:40] You got to give them the like the first five minute

[00:16:43] Like as like they're looking at the digital menu, right? There is that

[00:16:47] Like so you have that like but beyond the first five to ten minutes after orders have been placed

[00:16:52] Like we should be present in some conversation here and actually like having a good time together. Yeah

[00:16:58] Yeah, like texting dates is a thing now

[00:17:00] Texting yeah people will like, you know, they get together in person whether it's at a park or a

[00:17:04] You know coffee or whatever and they text back and forth

[00:17:06] But it's yeah, it's like a thing. Oh another thing I would do

[00:17:09] So they're sitting in person texting and so it's like it's like we would out of text you guys right now

[00:17:22] Yeah, I think it's more of the younger generation like I'm in my mid 30s

[00:17:26] So, you know, I'm fortunate that I was at a high school when facebook became a thing and all that

[00:17:30] I didn't have any that shit didn't even have a smartphone then so these young kids that's like all they know

[00:17:34] Right, they're born with a device in their hand. Yeah

[00:17:36] Constant so I guess the one good thing that benefits both of us or all of us

[00:17:41] I should say is you know the phones put the music in their ears

[00:17:45] Right so they can hear your music and they can watch us on their phone on youtube. So it's a double-edged sword. Yeah, totally

[00:17:50] It's all about the control so

[00:17:53] You guys seem to be taking some awesome electric songs and like putting this rock and roll mix on it

[00:17:59] It's badass. Where do you where do you like how do you pick the song and is there like

[00:18:04] Certain rights that you need to get to in order to like make a like essential like remix or like like because I was wondering about that

[00:18:12] Yeah, you're talking about the covers or really? Yeah stuff like that

[00:18:15] Yeah, I mean we've been doing that for a minute the idea of like

[00:18:18] Taking these timeless kind of electronic songs and putting our rock twist on it

[00:18:21] And yeah the technicality like how to go about that isn't as complicated as it may seem

[00:18:25] Through most distributors you can purchase a mechanical license which allows you to cover a song. So, yeah, yeah

[00:18:31] So we're not sampling so we don't need to do all that come that gets complicated

[00:18:35] You have to secure the rights to the sample

[00:18:37] We're technically just covering a song just like an acoustic singer song

[00:18:40] I would cover like a pop song or something

[00:18:43] Yeah, it's way easier if you do all the work to just recreate the song

[00:18:46] Then dealing with the repercussions of sampling it

[00:18:49] For the money it cost a clear sample

[00:18:52] So just remake everything and which is a really cool learning experience

[00:18:55] Like we've learned so many production techniques by like getting into the nitty gritty and the minutia of like

[00:19:00] This one sound in this one beat

[00:19:02] And then you end up learning a lot from it. So it's it's been really great

[00:19:05] But now we're putting out reflections later this year

[00:19:09] Which will be a collection of a bunch of covers that we've performed live

[00:19:12] But now we've taken into the studio polished up and thrown it on a a cd or thrown it on a Spotify album

[00:19:18] Nice. Yeah, it all cast started we were doing these curated shows at the Larimer lounge like

[00:19:23] What was the first one 2019?

[00:19:25] 2019 was the first one we called it evenoffs electronic orchestra

[00:19:29] We basically we got all these incredible musicians around the city who had like a 11 12 piece band

[00:19:34] And we were covering these very well-known EDM songs with like a full

[00:19:38] Orchestration singers horns

[00:19:41] That's epic though

[00:19:43] So we did that once this summer for a couple years in row and then we started playing those songs as a band

[00:19:46] We were on tour and they just the thing about a cover is that when you give somebody a little taste of something

[00:19:52] They know they latch on so yeah

[00:19:54] We would end a show with like our deadmau5 cover like our pretty lights cover people

[00:19:57] Just like go nuts because you give them that little taste of something that's nostalgic

[00:20:02] And kind of cathartic for them, but then you put this other twist on it and people fucking love it

[00:20:06] It's like it's like scratching

[00:20:08] It's like when you scratch an itch and then there's like that itch right next to the itch that you're scratching

[00:20:13] That's way better

[00:20:15] And you're like didn't realize you didn't realize it was there until you started scratching in the first place

[00:20:21] That's an interesting analogy, but I get it

[00:20:23] You're like oh

[00:20:25] Like that feels great. Yeah, no, that's cool because um even uh, I was sharing a

[00:20:31] Your band with one of my co-workers there and I already mentioned this to y'all but uh, he pulled it up

[00:20:35] And he was like, oh cool. They got this kind of song remix and then he was he's like started playing it

[00:20:39] And he's all like he's like, yeah, I'm feeling this right now

[00:20:42] So it's cool when you can make that that kind of movement with music, right?

[00:20:46] Like because music like I was mentioning earlier too

[00:20:50] Like, you know, I've been kind of into like

[00:20:53] African and like, you know, South American type of music and I don't necessarily know all that language

[00:20:57] But I'm still vibing. Yeah, like you don't even have to know the language to be able to like feel the essence of the music

[00:21:04] Yeah

[00:21:06] Like this universal language almost. Yeah, I mean singing is feeling first and lyrics second

[00:21:10] I mean lyrics are very important. I'm definitely like

[00:21:14] A song has you know, shitty or nonsense lyrics. I'll tap out

[00:21:18] You know in terms of my interest but like it's feeling first and there's people all over the world that listen to

[00:21:23] English music, but they can still get the vibe and the feeling and shit

[00:21:27] I listen to English music like rapping hip-hop stuff that I don't understand what they're saying

[00:21:32] But like and I can listen to it four times in a row and be like, I still don't know what he's singing the chorus

[00:21:35] But I love it every time he says it man

[00:21:38] It has that energy, you know, yeah, I definitely feel that with rapping hip-hop

[00:21:41] It's like I don't know what this guy's talking about and I didn't grow up in the hood

[00:21:44] But it's pretty it's decent. It sounds good on my speakers or rock or Latin music

[00:21:48] It's like any of it. It's like at a certain point unless you're

[00:21:51] You know a music fan. I remember being young and like

[00:21:54] You know opening up a CD uh jewel case and like pulling out the lyric sheet on the inside

[00:21:58] Reading through all the lyrics like that was cool back. I miss the 90s man

[00:22:01] And that's what that was connect with it, but I liked the song before I did that

[00:22:05] You know before I knew what all the lyrics was I still love the song and I knew the feeling it gave me

[00:22:09] So I think that's the more important part. Yeah, no, I would agree with that

[00:22:13] Do you ever have those times where you finally hear the lyrics to a song that you thought they were saying something different the whole time?

[00:22:17] Yeah

[00:22:19] You know, I was like damn it. I've been saying this for on the whole time

[00:22:22] It's like in the Vaseline?

[00:22:25] There's a good example stone temple pilots

[00:22:28] STP

[00:22:29] Yeah, that's funny. I'm sure everyone can relate to that

[00:22:32] so so like all right, you talked a little bit about

[00:22:36] um

[00:22:36] Creating and like making music a lot and then

[00:22:40] Stopped a couple times

[00:22:42] And I know you mentioned this specifically word. Did you feel like you like got a little depressed?

[00:22:47] Like when you weren't creating that was like a journey from when I was like four years old till now

[00:22:53] Okay, and you know like going going through high school. It's like you're pushed and pulled in different directions, but all music

[00:22:59] Music always came back to me and I and you know actually I take that back

[00:23:03] it was like I would focus on drums for a period of time and then

[00:23:06] I production kind of came into my life like sound design electronic music came into my life when I was about like

[00:23:13] 14 or so and so that kind of took over my passion for drums

[00:23:18] And I think that's more of the balance is not necessarily like stop creating music, but it's like oh

[00:23:24] There's other ways to make music or there's other

[00:23:27] Things I can find joy in that around music itself. I got you

[00:23:32] Yeah, I got you because like I was making a lot of music and then I got out of my creative mode for years

[00:23:40] Yeah, and like I kind of was getting depressed

[00:23:42] Like when I wasn't creating and then like we started this project back up and I was like

[00:23:46] It took me a while to like get comfortable creating again. It was it was weird

[00:23:50] What's commitment to as you guys know you got to rehearse you got to show up

[00:23:53] I mean band was it's a commitment weekly to do the shows do the production to put it out to find the guests

[00:23:57] And most people are like, you know what that's just a lot of work

[00:23:59] I don't want to do especially when there's not a lot of compensation involved in the beginning

[00:24:02] And you're just trying to get the thing going doing it like you all mentioned because he loved it

[00:24:06] Yeah, or yeah, just like you got this tick this itch that you can't stop scratching

[00:24:09] You're like I gotta do this today because I have time to do it today

[00:24:13] You just keep showing up for it until it's like going fishing. I use that analogy a lot

[00:24:17] You just have to have time to sit down and fish for it

[00:24:19] But I totally understand what you mean and I definitely do

[00:24:23] Have like a bit of like like I value myself based on my productivity, which isn't very good

[00:24:29] I should focus on like the practice of doing it

[00:24:31] But I definitely I've had times like this month for instance

[00:24:34] I've made

[00:24:35] Like three or four tunes when I just had like a run of making three songs a week for a while

[00:24:41] And then so I looked back on my projects from this month. I was like, oh my god

[00:24:44] The last cool thing I made was April 9th, you know

[00:24:46] It's so I kind of like judged myself for that and kind of got down

[00:24:50] But then if you use it as a motivator to get back get back in there and go fishing

[00:24:54] Then I guess it's a good thing. I like to fishing now

[00:24:58] You can't force the muse though

[00:25:00] Like sometimes like the creative gene is like is not as prominent and then it like comes back sometimes

[00:25:05] It's like it's hard to like like when you're performing and you've already created the songs like that's

[00:25:10] That's the different type of art, but when it's actually coming to the creation process

[00:25:14] Yeah, like sometimes it just that like when you were saying like when you're doing nothing is when you have

[00:25:19] The like the growth to create or something like I like that

[00:25:24] But it's interesting how like there's times where where you could have like a high octane creative month

[00:25:29] And then like you kind of fall off and like get a little recluse. Yeah, you know

[00:25:33] It doesn't applause a little bit

[00:25:34] Yeah

[00:25:35] Because one thing you can force to practice like if you if you get yourself just to sit down and put something down

[00:25:41] Probably not going to be great every time

[00:25:43] But you know, there's you'll get quicker at creating ideas. You'll get quicker at your workflow. You'll create

[00:25:50] Sounds or samples that you can reuse and projects later that might be a lot better

[00:25:54] You know, I think every time you sit down to do it you're bettering your future and your success within it

[00:26:01] Yeah, I would even say the good stuff doesn't come out unless you put out the shit before it

[00:26:05] Yeah

[00:26:06] I know for myself when I get out of

[00:26:08] The the momentum of like producing writing consistently

[00:26:11] I know because I've been through this multiple times

[00:26:14] It takes me about nine days of consistent production to get one good song out by day nine or ten

[00:26:19] I'm starting to come back and getting some good ideas flowing

[00:26:22] But if I don't put those nine days of

[00:26:24] Absolute garbage in like stuff. I look back and like oh my god, it's just horrible

[00:26:28] You never get to the good stuff. It really it's about the practice about showing up and it's about momentum

[00:26:33] You're never going to get to that place unless you start building that momentum

[00:26:36] So the showing up even if it's like five minutes just sitting down with your instrument or making an eight-bar loop or something

[00:26:42] That is almost more important than the days where it really comes together

[00:26:45] Or it's like that that Thomas said it's something like make something you don't like and then you're like, all right

[00:26:49] That's something that doesn't work. I try that and that's that's an idea that doesn't work. That's a fun

[00:26:54] I I try to

[00:26:56] And I'll encourage I'll encourage my students to do this or other musicians too

[00:26:59] It's like I'm auditioning my own ideas not like judging the the work that I'm making is like a reflection of myself

[00:27:05] But like let me try this does that work for me? No, it doesn't work for me

[00:27:08] All right, the idea is gone. It doesn't have to be what uh

[00:27:12] There doesn't have to be a strong connection with how I feel about myself to make that

[00:27:16] I'm just like, ah, let's audition it if these ideas work together then great if they don't then move on make the next thing

[00:27:21] But yeah, just sitting down having fun casting not worrying about catching anything. Yeah, exactly

[00:27:28] You're there for the experience. I love fishing

[00:27:31] Fish and seasons here man. I'm excited. I love fly fishing like do you fly fish? Oh, yeah catching a fly

[00:27:36] It's hard a lot of people

[00:27:38] With chopsticks or they call them chopsticks

[00:27:41] I use the rod and reel but then you whip it just right you can catch a fly. I wonder if that's ever been done

[00:27:46] Asked it bad

[00:27:47] Yeah, not by me. I'm like a bug a random bug is just like

[00:27:52] Around the pond in the mountains and I caught a bat fly fishing once a bat a bat

[00:27:56] Yeah, I got yeah went after the fly and got its wings stuck on it

[00:28:01] And you reeled them in well, I mean he was flying around and I

[00:28:05] I didn't want to get him too close just because bats, you know, they carry a lot of diseases and um

[00:28:11] It was kind of freaky actually

[00:28:13] That wasn't the biggest thing about where where was this? This is in greenville, Maine. Okay. All right. There's there's bats here

[00:28:19] Yeah, there's yeah

[00:28:21] I could see that I'm from new hamster. There's a lot of bats back there

[00:28:23] Yeah, you know, they'd be like up in the barn or up in the oh, yeah

[00:28:26] You know open the addicts would be just bat flying. Are you just hear it? You know just kind of wait for it to die

[00:28:29] I'm not going up there. Let that thing out. That's always kind of creep me out. Yeah, there

[00:28:33] Where in your hamster central New Hampshire's like Lake Winnipewsaki. Okay. Oh cool. What about Bob? Yeah, man. Yeah

[00:28:40] Oh, no

[00:28:42] Sorry, there's a classic bill more bill Murray movie. What about Bob?

[00:28:47] Therapist goes up to lake winnipewsaki for the summer

[00:28:50] That's yeah, he's trying to track him down

[00:28:52] He's like calling him on the phone and he's like, oh having a phone time in marthar's vineyard

[00:28:55] That martha martha's vineyard, right or fire island and then finally he's like, oh, he finds out he's in lake winnipewsaki

[00:29:02] That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's it's weird as you break down the the plot

[00:29:06] It's pretty messed up because it's more about like a psychopath who's like stalking his therapist, but it's a good watch

[00:29:12] If it's got lake winni, I'll check it out. Yeah. Yeah, that lake's been a lot of movies

[00:29:16] Yeah, yeah, they've done some filming a lot of people think grown-ups was filmed there

[00:29:18] But it wasn't grown ups was filmed in somewhere in massachusetts on another lake

[00:29:21] But it's supposed to be a spin off of lake winni great fishing up there though. Yeah, that's where I learned how to fish was on lake winni

[00:29:26] Oh, cool. We actually play in new hamster pretty often. Manchester

[00:29:30] Oh man, your baby is baby

[00:29:32] No, we have we have a lot of great fans out there

[00:29:35] Yeah, it's one of those marcus that like you start touring and you don't necessarily know where your stuff's really going to resonate with people

[00:29:40] And then there'll be these random cities where people like

[00:29:44] Goes really well and then you just end up going back over and over again

[00:29:47] But I don't know if I would have ever ended up in Manchester if it was just that

[00:29:51] It's a fun town, man. Oh, it's super fun. Yeah people there are

[00:29:54] So much their characters too. That's what I love about the thing everyone's a character. They got the accent everyone's big personality

[00:30:00] That's just knowing on what about mass you guys play boston or any of that area? Yeah

[00:30:03] Yeah, sometimes I grew up so I grew up in new report massachusetts

[00:30:07] So my family's still there so a lot of times

[00:30:09] Just because the northeast is so dense with yeah different cities and markets

[00:30:14] We'll post up at their house and then go and do weekend runs

[00:30:18] Up and down the east coast. That's what I've been super helpful. So where where's the best food?

[00:30:25] What kind of food like I don't know what what kind of food would be your best food food? Yeah, like best for me

[00:30:31] It's Texas, but I like barbecue in general. It's asia

[00:30:34] I

[00:30:40] Say I say New York like whenever yeah, okay

[00:30:43] Yeah, just because you have like I don't know if you think about it

[00:30:46] It's like the highest the densest populations of all the different

[00:30:49] Cultures like ethnic yeah cultures around the world and they're there just making their authentic food

[00:30:53] And so you can get like just the noodles like that noodle place in china town. It's just like

[00:30:58] I

[00:31:00] Yeah, but it's cool. I mean there was a tour we ate so much pizza because we're in Chicago

[00:31:05] Okay, hey like all sorts of different types of pizza in chicago and then we're in Detroit

[00:31:09] And the bottom square again, oh man, and then we're over in new york. Yeah, we're so out of the three canada kit

[00:31:16] Yeah, new new haven't connected. It's my favorite

[00:31:19] That's worth

[00:31:22] Clan pizza

[00:31:24] Yeah, the white sauce and

[00:31:28] That sounds very very east coast

[00:31:32] Car driver shout out downtown in denver has a pretty pretty solid authentic

[00:31:37] I got it

[00:31:38] I'm gonna have to go because i've been kind of pulling a day port away and trying to find the best pizza

[00:31:41] And like I don't do chain pizzas anymore. I want mom and pops give me the best

[00:31:44] Shit you got

[00:31:45] Not you know what's cool about new york is you get the you know dollar slices or whatever

[00:31:48] But those old rundown buildings have been there forever. It's like the best pizza

[00:31:52] Yeah, that that is a special thing about new york is dollar slices

[00:31:56] Everywhere every corner. Yeah, man. You know

[00:32:00] I don't I don't know another city in the states that has something

[00:32:06] Like that and I think I don't know the pizza culture and stuff it's

[00:32:10] Basically, okay and bagels like a genre or something and like you can go so deep into it

[00:32:14] People get so good at perfecting these simple things

[00:32:17] I think that is what is beautiful about food is you take these simple concepts

[00:32:21] And you just go really deep into making it as good as it can be and like yeah

[00:32:25] Because what it's only a few ingredients, but it's like they source the highest quality stuff

[00:32:28] And there's so much intention and love that go to the best possible version of that

[00:32:32] And I think pizzas are a good example of that same with like tacos. Oh tacos

[00:32:36] Yeah, I do love tacos. Where's the best in the country for that? I'm gonna say federal

[00:32:42] Federal boulevard, I'm gonna say san diego just out of my experience

[00:32:45] Yeah, pretty close to the border. They know what they're doing. San Diego's got the good Mexican food

[00:32:49] That spends enough time in california

[00:32:52] Had some really good tacos in vegas though. Really? Yeah, were they like fish tacos or just beef? No, al pastor

[00:32:59] Al pastor, okay. Yeah, right off the stand. They cut it off. Yeah, and then yeah, that's good. I like al pastor

[00:33:06] That's my jam. That's good stuff street tacos. Yeah favorite carne asada get the cilantro and onions on there

[00:33:12] Yeah, simple getting hungry now boys. Yeah, just some yeah, I don't know why pizza like did you guys get sick of pizza when you had it?

[00:33:19] Like for months in a row

[00:33:21] Yeah

[00:33:28] Just crave more of it. I know that's like an addiction

[00:33:32] It is

[00:33:34] In my pockets ever since that tour

[00:33:41] That's great, so the toty knows pizzas I was just gonna say those old school like those those are bomb

[00:33:46] I think those don't like them. I don't mind a frozen pizza every once in a while man, you know

[00:33:50] Yeah, the home run in the home run is probably the best in frozen pizza. I would say

[00:33:59] If you if you eat a home run pizza to yourself

[00:34:02] Like you are gonna visit the porcelain multiple times the next day for sure

[00:34:06] See that's the thing is it all comes out of the toppings like I've got gone back to the roots out cheese pizza

[00:34:11] Yeah, you can make a good cheese pizza like toppings. You're just adding to it

[00:34:14] Yeah, right. Let's take it to the roots and taste the cheese. Yeah, that's my go-to

[00:34:18] Maybe maybe margarita pizza from feeling feeling fancy

[00:34:22] But so have you have you ever been to asia? Have you like had authentic asian food in asia?

[00:34:27] No, I haven't but I'm a big supporter of the local asians for sure

[00:34:31] Okay, yeah

[00:34:33] I eat asian food a couple times a week that my my wife said tremendous cook, but that's like the one thing that

[00:34:39] We can't do as well as the people who've been studying for thousands of years

[00:34:42] So I'm always eating so what part of I was gonna dive in the asian food here

[00:34:47] So like korean food japanese food vietnamese mostly vietnamese and um

[00:34:53] I guess like indian and tai food. It's good shit. Yeah, like fun

[00:34:57] Oh, yeah, I see the foes good. It's made with like 127 herbs and spices. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of spices

[00:35:04] Yeah, that's everything dr. Pepper. And then you put like the hoisin in the uh sriracha in there and that's like sacrilegious

[00:35:10] Hey, yeah, I like to keep it on the side and generally I gotta get a taste of broth first

[00:35:15] That's just a good call. Is it good on its own?

[00:35:17] Yeah, you can't just dunk it in like that man

[00:35:20] Yeah, no the chef will be shaking their head. I got a funny story about tai food

[00:35:24] Oh, just a good. Yes. Was that there for this? Yeah, this is a good story. Yeah, I was there for this so

[00:35:28] You know, we're out at a bar marketing

[00:35:30] Like we meet some people and we're like handing out stickers and shit and then they're like, yeah

[00:35:35] We have this tai restaurant right here. It's like really close. You guys come check it out

[00:35:39] And we're like, yeah, we'll totally do that do our instagram video help promote

[00:35:42] you know trying to do our thing and um

[00:35:44] And so I had like recently become like a big fan of like this like green curry fried rice

[00:35:50] It's like a specific dish at one of my favorite tai places

[00:35:55] Um, so I'm just like, you know every tai place should be able to make this green curry fried rice, right? And so

[00:36:02] We go into this restaurant and

[00:36:05] I order I like want I like asked the the owner who we met at the bar

[00:36:09] And I was like you got green curry fried rice and she's like, oh, we can make that for you

[00:36:13] Like that's something we can make but it wasn't actually on the menu

[00:36:16] And then so we go in to actually go try this place out

[00:36:19] And I got something that was on the menu for the record

[00:36:22] Yeah, kev gets something that's on on the menu and then they come to order to me and I'm like, yeah

[00:36:27] Can I have like green curry fried rice and they're like, huh? That's not on the menu

[00:36:30] And like I had to explain it and like, you know, you like have fried rice and then you

[00:36:35] Like put green curry in it or something, you know, and then and then like we don't have that

[00:36:39] I'm like, well, I had the owner's name on in my head

[00:36:42] And I'm like, well, she said that y'all could do it and then the next thing I know

[00:36:45] I'm like looking over like she goes back to put in the order and then like it was like a female chef

[00:36:50] She's like leaning around the wall like looking out like who in the fuck is ordering this green curry fried rice bullshit

[00:36:58] And she's like getting pissed right? It was me. Yeah, she thought it was Kevin

[00:37:01] So she was hating on kev like threw it in front of me was like eat it

[00:37:04] Yeah, and then and then he like moves it over to my side and she's like looking at me

[00:37:08] So she was mad that she was making it first of all and then when she brought out the dish

[00:37:14] She like stood there and like

[00:37:17] Needed to watch me try it in front of her and like

[00:37:21] Give her the thumbs up. So she's like standing there like looking at me

[00:37:25] Being like eat this eat this green curry's custom fried rice. See fucking white person, you know

[00:37:31] It was it was hilarious. How was it? It was delicious

[00:37:35] Yeah

[00:37:37] She did a great job, but I'll always remember that like this the cook just standing there like staring at me like

[00:37:43] How dare you and like use the owner's name to get this custom dish made

[00:37:48] That was hilarious

[00:37:54] It always happens we're recording around dinner time. So what's the what's your favorite tie spot that you get the green curry fried rice?

[00:38:00] It's a tie diamond off of Kipling and coal fact. So it's like in uh, what is that west? What is that lakewood?

[00:38:08] Yeah, it's like in the lakewood. It's like just worth the sixth right get off on six on Kipling. It's right there

[00:38:12] Yeah, but they're closed they're closed on

[00:38:15] Sundays, I believe I don't know I went there once they were closed

[00:38:17] Yeah, there was a weird thing about Asian restaurants being closed on Sundays because I always am craving like

[00:38:22] Like uncle or like typhoon

[00:38:24] And it's sundae. Yeah sundae or monday. It's like chick filets. Yeah

[00:38:28] I always closed on sundae too. Yeah, that's what I want to say. Yeah, that's Asian food, but then they stay open on like Christmas

[00:38:33] Yeah, so I don't think it's like religious space. Yeah, I don't know what it is. That's interesting

[00:38:38] Maybe you know they they analyze the market. They realize that people don't eat out as much on monday

[00:38:45] They are and that might be a good point. Yeah

[00:38:48] Closed on monday. So it's a weekend fair enough. Yeah

[00:38:51] That might that might be the reason well and also like if you're smart, you know, they're an entrepreneur, right?

[00:38:56] So they're gonna make their own hours and who doesn't want a week a weekday off so then you can actually do real errands

[00:39:03] Yeah, like a DMV. Totally. Yeah

[00:39:05] Like go to the DMVs. Sounds like that. Yeah

[00:39:08] That's a good point

[00:39:11] So taking it back let's tell the story of ebb and off and how we how you guys got to here because you said 2015

[00:39:17] That's when I joined the band

[00:39:20] Um, yeah, it started as a solo project. So I was just like dj'ing pushing buttons and playing guitar

[00:39:25] Um, and then I'd always want to turn it into into a band because I grew up playing in rock bands

[00:39:30] I think a reoccurring theme amongst all of us would become from like rock music and metal music and that's our roots

[00:39:36] So we'll get to how that's obviously is implemented into what we do now

[00:39:39] But we all come from that so I started doing that and want to turn into a full band

[00:39:43] So just being a dj. So found some kids

[00:39:46] around boulder

[00:39:47] joined the band and we started playing gigs

[00:39:50] I had a friend who like was trying to break in the music industry and like kind of be our manager

[00:39:54] So we were working together making that happen

[00:39:56] Eventually a drummer didn't really want to like tour and do the actual thing. So then I was in

[00:40:02] That school C Denver where these guys happened to be as well

[00:40:05] I made friends with this guy in our music something

[00:40:10] What was it some music theory?

[00:40:13] I think it was business. I think you guys had a music business class

[00:40:16] Greg your um, greg walkers music history

[00:40:20] Yeah

[00:40:23] And he was like, yeah, I know a great drummer and they were roommates

[00:40:26] Freshman year in that all throughout college. I just mean all good. So then hit up Jake. Yep. Jake joined the band a couple years later

[00:40:34] Our bass player left replaced him with another bass player

[00:40:38] He left in the middle of a tour. So we ended up turning up and do a duo thing for a little bit

[00:40:42] Yeah, then Brandon joined the band. Yeah, and then from that point on forth the

[00:40:47] Dynamic of the band and the like styles changed a bit because it opened up what we were able to do electronically

[00:40:52] So for those that don't know like we are like a live electronic trio

[00:40:56] So a lot of what we do is like live production like on

[00:41:00] On the nose in real time and Brennan set up allows us to do that because he's able to loop like

[00:41:05] Wampi bases and different key patches and then I'm able to loop my stuff over that and so we can compose

[00:41:10] Music in real time with our the technology we have pretty cool. Now is it um

[00:41:16] Do you use logic or like what is your

[00:41:20] Ableton yeah for the live

[00:41:22] I produce a logic these guys use able to but for what we do live it's all

[00:41:26] Because that allows us to connect my computer to his computer

[00:41:29] And it's kind of the only piece of tech that really allows that to happen in that way. Yeah

[00:41:34] So ableton has this thing called a ableton link which allows computers to be tempo synced to each other

[00:41:40] Oh, that's cool. The clocks are always in sync or they'll adjust

[00:41:44] But then they also have a suite of like

[00:41:46] Programming things you can do called max for live where you can basically hack able to send anything that it doesn't do natively

[00:41:51] You can force it to do or you can have computers respond to each other

[00:41:55] So if he triggers a certain song with a certain scene name, then it'll change patches or volumes on my computer

[00:42:02] Um, so yeah our computers are basically talking through wi-fi the whole the whole show

[00:42:07] Okay, and so you don't actually like

[00:42:10] Hard connect like wire those two together. It's done like through wi-fi we bring our own router

[00:42:16] And that sits with their mixing board and then we can connect with that

[00:42:19] It's just more stable than using like the venues wi-fi

[00:42:21] We used to use the venues wi-fi, but they would go out sometimes so we rather start bringing around that's probably a call

[00:42:26] Yeah

[00:42:27] We've gone through a lot of tech hiccups over there because our setup's not like super simple

[00:42:30] So it's been a process of learning how to be able to do it on the road without fail

[00:42:34] You can't keep it as simple as you can while also having all the tools you need

[00:42:37] Right, I guess that's the name of the game. So like are you pulling all your gear behind a bus or?

[00:42:42] Uh a nice toilet highlander with a trailer

[00:42:45] Perfect

[00:42:47] All right environmental friendly. I like it man

[00:42:50] Half the time no we get yeah, we get good mileage which is helpful

[00:42:54] No, that's the way up when you guys are traveling like that you need so much out

[00:42:57] Yeah, that's a trick

[00:42:58] Yeah, but it's I mean it's solid you can fit a lot of clowns in that clown car

[00:43:01] Like you know it's small but it it is really fun like showing up with a

[00:43:06] Compact rig and throwing like a big party in different cities every night when we're on tour

[00:43:10] Yeah, I just take shifts driving one sleeping ones cruising team drives a tour manager with us and that helps

[00:43:16] Okay, next you have a person to drive yeah some hours. Yeah that way you guys can crash and get some some shut eye

[00:43:21] Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of plan that goes into touring right like where we're staying where we're eating

[00:43:25] Where we got to be how much time it takes to get there someone's gotta map all that is that kind of what he does

[00:43:30] Yeah, our book is so

[00:43:33] We'll handle the like tour routing and all that stuff

[00:43:36] We have a lot of input in the markets that we want to play the data that we have as artists of where we should play

[00:43:42] um

[00:43:44] I'll usually do the

[00:43:46] Hotels and stuff like that and yeah, then yeah, we've had a lot of different tour managers

[00:43:50] So like some of them are more on top of than others some don't build out like a plan or it's like, okay

[00:43:54] If this city is this far away like this is the time

[00:43:56] We gotta leave the hotel like that type of stuff, but usually it's more like

[00:44:00] Some of our buddies just like yeah man. I could carry some shit

[00:44:05] We'll figure it out. Yeah, we'll get it. Yeah. I like to have a plan. I want to know where I'm going with time

[00:44:09] Yeah, otherwise I get anxiety people like ah, we're fine. We have plenty of time next thing

[00:44:13] You know we're two hours late, you know

[00:44:15] Yeah, I can't I can't stand being late. That's that's one of the things that's like

[00:44:19] You know because when you when you know you're running late and you're the one driving

[00:44:23] Like there's like this added pressure to driving

[00:44:26] And like the closer that you get to the car in front of you like the higher the pressure gets

[00:44:32] You know and it's like you don't you don't want it. You don't want to slow it down

[00:44:36] Yeah, so you're like you're like pushing this like pressure zone of like how much am I trying to get this person out of the way

[00:44:41] And you know, that's why I run an early is always like yeah, I would rather sit there and wait

[00:44:46] I'm a hurry up and wait type of guy

[00:44:48] Yeah, some yeah, I mean sometimes it can be really tough for us just because especially when we started touring

[00:44:55] The first agent that we had just really didn't understand

[00:44:59] That like doing a nine hour drive

[00:45:02] Before the player show

[00:45:04] And after playing a show the night before that was like a nine hour drive is not suitable for this

[00:45:10] Shit

[00:45:10] Yeah, you're exhausted

[00:45:12] Yeah, oh it's the it's brutal late like after playing the show which is exhausting

[00:45:17] Yeah, and you're loading out then you're getting back to the hotel. Hopefully you're like four or four in the morning

[00:45:22] You still got to wind down like just because you finished on packing like you I gotta relax a little bit

[00:45:27] Yeah, because you're the adrenaline and everything it's like

[00:45:30] Take some time chill out

[00:45:32] It's gotten a little easier though because we used to always try to go to the after parties because that was a way

[00:45:35] We would connect with our fans. We play a new city people would show up and be super excited

[00:45:40] We would solidify that those fans by showing up at the after party like connecting with them personally

[00:45:45] Then the next time they bring more friends and it would kind of like snowball

[00:45:48] We've stopped doing that as much we like don't go to as many after parties nowadays

[00:45:52] And it makes it a lot easier because if you're at a party till 5 a.m. And then have a five hour drive

[00:45:59] Yeah, and then you got to load in again play another show. Yeah, there's like no time so

[00:46:03] Spurning the candle at both ends. Yeah, literally. So do that

[00:46:06] You'll really hurt yourself if you keep that up

[00:46:09] I remember on still those rock like guys like Keith Richards and Al Jorgensen all these guys

[00:46:13] In their late 70s all the heroin all the alcohol of no sleep sex drug and rock roll and they're still just like yeah, man rock on

[00:46:19] Yeah, I have noticed that the musicians that get older and continue doing it

[00:46:23] End up with absurd health regiments

[00:46:26] Oh, absolutely. You being able to function at that level on the road like that many days a year

[00:46:30] It's like crazy like even some of the comedians we listen to podcasts

[00:46:33] So they bring trainers on the road because you have to like stay sharp and stay on it

[00:46:36] Or else you're not delivering the experience that people are paying for

[00:46:40] That's a good point because you can get caught up in the party life and then that's going to affect your performances and creativity and all that

[00:46:44] That makes sense. Yeah, yeah

[00:46:47] So what's like one way

[00:46:49] That you keep yourselves mentally and physically sharp

[00:46:52] Like do you like schedule a walk like or like do you swim at like the hotel pools or like what's going on at the hotel?

[00:46:58] Jim's once in a while

[00:47:00] I'm trying to do that a lot more. It's nice

[00:47:02] And we will we will like we'll pay the extra amount

[00:47:06] To get a hotel that's just a little better like oh, yeah red roof and motel six fucking suck

[00:47:14] You just not gonna get as much rest. Yeah east coast. Yeah

[00:47:18] Yeah

[00:47:19] Red roof but yeah that little bit extra effort like even just getting up a little earlier and getting to the hotel

[00:47:24] Jim and getting a sweat on before you have to go sit in the car for like five six hours

[00:47:28] It was the difference stretching or at least daily stretching. Yeah. Yeah totally. It's really big

[00:47:34] Yeah

[00:47:40] Like we were saying the pizza and all that it's hard to eat healthy all the time

[00:47:43] And yeah, that's another thing

[00:47:44] It's like balancing that because if we do do the pizza runs man. Do you feel it? Yeah for sure. What's your vitamin?

[00:47:52] Regime what regime? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think my core thing that I bring on the road is just like a greens powder

[00:47:59] Because like I don't know what we're going to be eating so just getting like my minerals and like nutrition bases covered

[00:48:04] And then usually some sort of like

[00:48:06] Vitamin D vitamin C

[00:48:08] Digestive enzymes magnesium good stuff. Okay basics trying to cover my basis because when you're eating in the midwest

[00:48:16] It's hard to find a salad

[00:48:19] It's really difficult to find healthy food

[00:48:21] We're so used to that here because it's part of the culture and in other cities

[00:48:24] But when you're in the middle of like Iowa

[00:48:27] You order a salad and it's like cheese and meat and like a little ice cream lettuce

[00:48:31] Yeah, it's not even worth that. You just cover your ranch. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

[00:48:36] Yeah, I could see that

[00:48:38] Yeah, and I think you know, I I feel like now though as health food has become a little more trendier

[00:48:44] We're finding more of it in those pockets, but definitely in the beginning it was like

[00:48:48] It would be parts where it's just a lot of chipotle

[00:48:51] That's kind of a go to yeah, you know, the versus chipotle

[00:48:57] All right, I'm outnumbered here. I'm going

[00:48:59] Because the case oh they're both uh

[00:49:01] I've changed aren't they they start Denver both of them. Yes. Yeah, or was that quiz knows no quiz knows as well

[00:49:06] Yeah, so Denver's been known to create some good franchises. Yeah

[00:49:09] Five guys from here too five guys, I don't know

[00:49:13] They're expensive though. Good bird like a burger fries and cheese and fries are always fucking separate man

[00:49:19] I and then like six months. Yeah, I know. It's like if you just get the burger, it's okay. They're spending fries

[00:49:25] Yeah, well then five guys fries like

[00:49:28] At least you get your money's worth. That's like you're not you're not gonna eat

[00:49:31] You're not gonna eat the fries. You're not gonna eat all the fries. It's too much. Like they give you like a whole half bag

[00:49:38] I love french fries. You should do the pizza rating thing but with french fries

[00:49:43] Yeah, I would watch that. Yeah, I like I like them crispy. I like crispy french fries. Yeah, but not too thick

[00:49:48] I don't like the steak fries. Yeah, there's kind of like that sweet spot

[00:49:51] See here we go with food again

[00:49:55] I mean that's that's a big part of our experience like on the road

[00:49:58] You know, we have a lot of downtime too where it's like well, what are we gonna do?

[00:50:01] You know, we don't have time to like really explore a museum

[00:50:05] But we could explore some food. Yeah

[00:50:07] We could go to some pretty good restaurants

[00:50:09] Yeah, absolutely. We just jump on Yelp or whatever and just see what's in the area

[00:50:12] Actually, we like to connect with our fans. Okay. It's like if we're coming to an area

[00:50:16] We'll message them and be like what food would you recommend? Like what's your go-to spot?

[00:50:20] Yeah, if we hear a place three or four times

[00:50:22] Yeah, it's like we're gonna go there. That's the spot.

[00:50:24] And we're going here. And it's a good way to connect with the fans without pestering them

[00:50:28] Like hey, we're coming to your town buy tickets like hey, we'll be there on Wednesday

[00:50:31] Um, what's a good spot to eat around the venue? Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. That's a good move. Yeah, it works

[00:50:37] People like it when there's a little bit of like

[00:50:40] Interaction, you know, you have you have to like and that's the thing too is like

[00:50:46] We all have to have a little bit of an ego in order to

[00:50:49] You know create and perform and like you have to have like that self-confidence and like that kind of stuff, right?

[00:50:54] But at the same time

[00:50:56] Like it's interesting podcasting at least

[00:50:59] Because we've talked to like celebrity chefs awesome musicians like yourself

[00:51:03] Like just plethora of people and everybody is essentially just like the exact same

[00:51:08] And and that's what like because you get like fans and people who love like what you do and they idolize you a little bit

[00:51:14] And you're just like over here like

[00:51:16] Where would you recommend to eat?

[00:51:18] That like that like really like

[00:51:20] Like brings that level of like, you know, we're equal, you know and like and then when you go there

[00:51:25] Do you ever like post videos of you guys trying to place like do you ever like

[00:51:29] It was really good like

[00:51:32] Back to new haven pizza in chicago

[00:51:34] Peace pizza every time we go there. We'll throw it up on the story just because it's and they started hooking us up when we go

[00:51:40] There too

[00:51:43] But yeah, I mean, yeah, we just want to connect with fans. We often try to remind ourselves of

[00:51:48] I don't know like the bands that we were fans of and what kind of relationship did we wish we could have with them?

[00:51:53] Yeah

[00:51:54] And for me, it's like I just want to be able to chat with them

[00:51:56] Like some of the band members like give kudos to one or the other and tell them that I liked playing and then actually respond

[00:52:03] Or influence some of their music in some way

[00:52:06] So we try to make that available to fans and send them works in progress and have them, you know

[00:52:10] Give us feedback in a little direction on it

[00:52:13] But just trying to make a fan experience that we always wanted as music fans. Yeah, we spend a lot of time communicating

[00:52:20] That's good with our fans. Yeah, I think that goes a long way people really respect that

[00:52:23] It's not like cool people. Yeah. Yeah in general music fans are awesome people man

[00:52:28] Yeah, I've met really cool people that just go into a concert the guys standing next to me

[00:52:31] Like we're here for the same reason we want to watch the band we both like shared interest. Yeah. Yeah same with food

[00:52:35] Yeah, so so let's get a little personal

[00:52:39] So I'll uh, I'll kind of like lead by example here like

[00:52:42] I got really into like building gunpla. Do you guys do you guys know what that is?

[00:52:47] Gunpla, you know what Gundam wing is like that anime? Yeah

[00:52:50] So gunpla is the like model kits

[00:52:54] And there's like different levels of difficulty to these model kits

[00:52:58] And I was like getting super into building them and like doing all the panel lining and like the stickers and like making sure it

[00:53:04] Was all perfect like what is

[00:53:07] Like a personal interest outside of music that each of you got he likes fishing

[00:53:12] We do got the fishing

[00:53:14] Yeah, I'd say besides fishing both like river and deep sea for me

[00:53:19] Um

[00:53:21] Honestly, like music is my obsession like that's definitely number one cancer my brain off from it

[00:53:26] I feel like I'm wasting my time if I'm doing other stuff yet board games. I

[00:53:30] Fucking love like risk. What is it? Yeah? Oh sure. Yeah

[00:53:34] Yeah, I was the new one you got is a 30 box

[00:53:36] Yeah bears versus babies anything from like the exploding kittens game company is just like fun pick me up game or like dominion kingdom builder

[00:53:44] Um, I'm not a big katon guy, but you know like things like that like a game

[00:53:48] That's a little bit more involved, but you could break down the rules in 10 minutes to somebody and like have fun for an hour

[00:53:54] Yeah, pretty into that. Have y'all like played board games while like the tour manager is uh driving

[00:54:00] No, we should

[00:54:02] Carsick

[00:54:04] We all live together during the covid lockdown

[00:54:06] Oh, yeah, that was a odd time. Yeah, was yeah, I'll leave it at that

[00:54:11] I've said enough about that on youtube

[00:54:14] But um, all right, so you're doing board games. What do you what about you?

[00:54:18] I'm uh, I'm really into cooking and food and cocktails and stuff like that

[00:54:22] Okay, that also started during covid and just like I realized that it was just something I could learn how to do

[00:54:28] And so first I go really deep into like italian like red sauce world and then into asian stuff

[00:54:32] And then got this anthony bordain's french cookbook and got really into french cooking

[00:54:36] And then that naturally paired with learning how to make like cocktails and the fact that I could make this stuff instead of going and paying

[00:54:42] $18 for a cocktail or like $50 for this meal at a nice restaurant being able to do that myself and then

[00:54:48] Pass it on to other people has been really really fun. So and then that lend itself into coffee and becoming obsessed with that

[00:54:54] And then wine and so yeah that world of stuff

[00:54:58] That's fun, man. I'm in there. I'm with that for sure. I got into smoking like uh, not smoking but you know smoking meats

[00:55:04] I got it. I got it. I got it.

[00:55:06] Well, you know, I'll do a little bit of that but smoking meats is like that's my jam

[00:55:08] It's like perfecting the brisket and getting the right wood pellets and the temperature

[00:55:12] It's like a whole art. That's a lot of fun

[00:55:14] And even if I fuck it up still tastes good. Yeah, you know, this might not serve it

[00:55:18] Yeah, my dad um, my whole like uh, paternal side of the family were like competitive barbecue guys

[00:55:24] So I would be like oh my god just sitting around for 12 hours listening or not listening

[00:55:28] But smelling everything that they're making is so good. Sometimes you listen to the meat

[00:55:32] Like the meat speaks to you. The best one sounds good. Yeah, that's what my father always said

[00:55:36] He was like you have to listen to the meat

[00:55:38] Next time you do a bag of popcorn in the microwave

[00:55:42] Yeah, you listen to it pull it out and listen to that

[00:55:45] Yeah to the kernel or the bag no to the bag like you listen to it after you it's freshly popped in the

[00:55:49] You can hear it sizzling. Yeah, it's like

[00:55:51] It's like making all this noise and it's like you're gonna be so delicious

[00:55:56] So the tempo of the pops like the reoccurring pops like there's a certain sweet spot

[00:56:02] When they slow down that you know, it's gonna be perfect and not burn. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's like a five second window sometimes

[00:56:08] There is yes, yeah, exactly

[00:56:11] You're walking that fine line

[00:56:12] So so JJ on the uh on the cooking thing when you're cooking are you the type that you clean your dishes immediately as you're cooking?

[00:56:20] Like you you're cooking and cleaning at the same time or do you prepare everything and then clean all the dishes after

[00:56:26] It's a good question. I think it's mostly the ladder like clean everything after but I've been trying to start

[00:56:31] Do a little more while it's happening because it turns into a fucking disaster

[00:56:36] And then you're done with your meal and you're relaxing like life is good and then you're like no

[00:56:39] No one wants to clean clean up after they're done eating. That's the worst

[00:56:43] My girlfriend have a good relationship where like I'll cook and then she'll like okay stuff or if she cooks I'll clean up the stuff

[00:56:48] I think yeah, that's how it should be. Yeah that balance right there is just that should be standard

[00:56:54] Yeah amongst yes, yeah all families whoever doesn't cook clean. That's that's just seems fair. Yeah, you know

[00:56:59] I'm with it. I try to clean as I go because I'm kind of I don't know I'm a little anal about it

[00:57:03] I'm like this is gonna be a mess later. It'll take me 30. It's hot. I gotta let this cool down

[00:57:06] Anyway, I could probably get a spatula cleaned off

[00:57:08] Well, yeah, the food comes off quicker when it's fresh like it doesn't like crust on there

[00:57:13] Oh, yeah, I don't want the crust, you know, so it's like super easy to clean when you do it immediately

[00:57:16] I feel like it takes less time. That is true. Yeah, and it's like bill burr said it best

[00:57:20] There's two kinds of people people that do the dishes and the people that let them soak right right

[00:57:25] So you were just waiting for someone else to put that away, you know, and then you got your hand in

[00:57:29] room temperature water with scrambled eggs floating around

[00:57:33] It's nasty. We've all been there

[00:57:36] roommates and whatnot. Yeah, you know, Jake, what's it? What's it? Yeah, what's your Jake? I say snowboarding

[00:57:41] Okay, yeah, it's seasonal, but that's I love to do that. Have you ever surfed too or like?

[00:57:46] Yeah, I surf growing up. I'm not I'm not as good as that

[00:57:49] I have not spent that as much time in the water is on the snow

[00:57:54] But yeah, that was that was a big passion of mine for a while. I thought I was going to do that professionally

[00:57:59] Okay, but yeah injuries and everything music and music had always been there and there were certain moments that music

[00:58:05] Really shown to be a great path for me

[00:58:10] But yeah snowboarding and also recently cold plunges are really oh, yeah, yeah

[00:58:15] Okay, so how are you doing that? Do you have like a bathtub at home like a big bath tub?

[00:58:18] I have a hundred gallon like horse trough

[00:58:22] thing that I fill up and I live in Pine

[00:58:24] Colorado, so I'm up in the mountains where it's like colder at night and during the winter has been great

[00:58:29] I got to find a nice shaded area for the summertime

[00:58:33] Because yeah, I don't have an ice maker at the moment

[00:58:35] And I'm constantly what we did is we got like silicon baking trays like for banana bread or something

[00:58:40] You get like 10 of those. Yeah filling up with water putting your freezer

[00:58:44] That'll give you enough ice for oh, that's a good idea freezer space. So I guess I could use

[00:58:50] What kind of benefits have you been seeing from doing these cold plunges?

[00:58:54] A lot with mood

[00:58:56] Like daily mood like when it comes to just like feeling motivated

[00:59:01] you know

[00:59:02] It reduces stress and anxiety when there's a lot going on and there

[00:59:06] You know, there's a lot of clarity that comes from like the four to five minutes that you're just in there

[00:59:12] It's it honestly feels kind of like a flow state because like it's challenging enough to get yourself into the cold water

[00:59:18] So you're doing four to five minutes. Oh, yeah, yeah, and do you dunk your head too?

[00:59:22] No, generally I'll keep my head out and yeah, and my fingers and toes. It does. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't done it

[00:59:29] So you've done it too. Yeah

[00:59:33] I would say the when you get out of the plunger especially if it's really cold and that feeling when your body starts to warm up

[00:59:39] It's like drugs like it's wild you feel there's so many endorphins flowing

[00:59:43] I think there's a stat. It's like it releases about the same amount of dopamine as doing cocaine

[00:59:48] Well for longer for way longer

[00:59:51] Crazy dopamine high for the next hour or so and it's just blissful

[00:59:55] So you can really feel it good for like people who are recovering or like trying to

[00:59:59] Get sober. Absolutely. Yep. That's something to keep in mind or alternatively

[01:00:03] I've been in like hot showers and then just doing cocaine the whole time

[01:00:07] You can stand it for a long time

[01:00:10] So you're sweating anyway, so yeah, that'll get the heart rate up. You get out. You feel great

[01:00:15] Hot shower and cocaine

[01:00:18] You like you get rid of the drip immediately. There's no clogging

[01:00:22] Yeah, it's all there. Yeah, it's a pretty good system. I'm pretty into health also. So I read that

[01:00:27] That's the that's the biohack. Yeah hot showers and cocaine

[01:00:32] And then a cold plunge starts dead

[01:00:34] No, I've heard a lot about the cold plunges and uh and benefits of like doing all that

[01:00:38] So that's that's interesting. We still haven't done that. No, I know we said we were gonna do even dust

[01:00:43] We should

[01:00:45] I highly recommend it

[01:00:47] I honestly

[01:00:47] Yeah, I remember we had this conversation at one point because I was doing it really regularly as were you

[01:00:52] And I stopped for a while. I was like, I'm not as happy as I was like

[01:00:56] It has a huge effect

[01:00:58] Huge effect on your mood on your ability to maintain like

[01:01:01] I would have crashes throughout the day when I wasn't doing it just like

[01:01:05] I felt great. So I don't know. There's a lot of scientific research on it now

[01:01:08] I'm sure a lot of people can cite all sorts of different data points, but I think all I realized that feels really good

[01:01:14] I mean, I would believe that because I think everyone that like even Joe Rogan talks about he's like, man

[01:01:19] I got to do my ice plunge or my days fucked up. He says it doesn't feel as motivated as I want to go

[01:01:23] Do the podcast so like there's something to it. We got we got to give this thing a go

[01:01:26] But like you said the ice

[01:01:28] It's it's not easy and I'm sure you start like a minute right and work your way up

[01:01:32] Yeah, and so you'll get the benefits to anything. I believe below 60 degrees

[01:01:38] I was doing like 38 at one point. Yeah, it gets intense when you're in the 30s though. It's like

[01:01:44] It hurts. Yeah, it's painful like your whole skin turns red everywhere

[01:01:47] Oh, yeah, like in the winter it was like you'd be a snowstorm and be like, I'm getting in

[01:01:51] You're like perfect like raked ice with an axe and like yeah climb in there. It's a primal shit

[01:01:56] Yeah, yeah, I worry about shrinkage on that one. I think he would just say

[01:02:00] That's kind of how you can tell the temperature. Oh, yeah, like

[01:02:04] You know, it's like okay that one was like below 30

[01:02:10] The the discipline it takes to get in when you know what you're doing like that

[01:02:15] Getting over that is like, I feel like that's a huge mental barrier

[01:02:18] And it allows you throughout your life to have more discipline and things that are hard because you're used to doing this thing

[01:02:23] Every single thing that you don't want to do. Yeah, it could be painful. Yeah, it's like and it's like just those

[01:02:30] Small moments like a few minutes in like yeah

[01:02:33] Just getting over that and getting in is just so powerful because how much of things in life that are gonna get us

[01:02:38] To where we want to go are like not the easy things to do. I mean, it's like majority pretty much every day

[01:02:43] So if you can help curve that resistance you have to doing those hard things and if that can help you

[01:02:48] I think that's what benefits a lot of people totally. Yeah, it's like I always say people will do more to avoid pain

[01:02:53] And they will to gain pleasure and that would be an example of that like that's that's it's hard

[01:02:56] People I don't want to fucking be cold and 30 degree water and shit

[01:02:59] But then gaining the pain or the pleasure out of it is feeling good

[01:03:02] You know getting your mind right because if it has those kind of mental effects, I'm sold

[01:03:06] You know, I've heard enough about where I think I need to try it

[01:03:09] Yeah, I mean I I walk almost every day and I like to swim and I've noticed even

[01:03:17] Just doing those workouts regularly if I don't swim for like a week or two

[01:03:22] Like my mood is like dipping and like I don't feel as good

[01:03:26] And it's it's weird too because it's like, you know

[01:03:28] Was I just like hanging out in this crappy mentality before I started doing that as part of my routine?

[01:03:34] And then like now that I added that stuff now I realized like the a boost and see that it's not so

[01:03:40] It's like there's like that psychology with it because if you never started doing the cold plunges would you

[01:03:46] Not, you know, you wouldn't know the other side. Yeah

[01:03:49] I've had this like mental battle with that for a while because it's like okay now if I don't go to the jam

[01:03:53] And I don't like eat a certain way. I feel like garbage

[01:03:56] Did did I always feel that way before I started doing this stuff?

[01:03:59] Yeah

[01:04:00] Or is it now the contrast between like how good I know I can feel versus how I was feeling

[01:04:05] And now that I know that's possible

[01:04:07] It's difficult to let myself slip back in the other thing or there's a lot of guilt that comes along

[01:04:12] But is it like did we feel that bad before or now because we're doing all this stuff to make us feel better that the opposite of that is worse

[01:04:19] I don't know. I yeah

[01:04:21] There's something there. Yeah, there's something there. Yeah

[01:04:26] Something there. It's worth trying

[01:04:28] I mean, you're kind of experiencing it with uh with booze a little bit. Yeah, not booze has been interesting

[01:04:34] Uh, how many months? Well, so I stopped drinking on the podcast. It was what week three

[01:04:38] So that was that was step one because I was I wasn't sure if I was gonna be able to do it

[01:04:42] I was so used to drinking on doing these shows and you know getting that liquid courage to talk to people and be creative or whatever

[01:04:48] I'm like, if I can do that without booze that's step one. So that's gone and that's three shows a week

[01:04:53] Uh, and now it's just cutting back when I do drink

[01:04:56] So like on the weekends when I watch in the race or the football game or whatever

[01:04:58] Instead of having the whole 15 pack

[01:05:00] Let's maybe just have a couple few and then as we get closer to my 35th birthday here in six weeks

[01:05:06] Then it's then I'm done

[01:05:08] For the foreseeable feature. I don't want I don't want to say forever

[01:05:10] Right, but I'm gonna pump the brakes for a while and just see what that's like maybe get into ice plunging and other things

[01:05:15] Yeah, yeah, I've heard uh one guy that I respect uh to quit was like, yeah, I'm just not doing it this year

[01:05:21] I don't know maybe I'll do it next year, but I'm not

[01:05:24] So that's you're not doing it this year. That's kind of where I want to try

[01:05:26] You know

[01:05:27] And any progress there? I think it's good because even you know art you did the same thing last year

[01:05:30] You know with your relationship with booze

[01:05:32] There was a lot of drinking around this podcast we're started easily be drinking like fucking

[01:05:37] Like 10 beers a night like every single night for months on end

[01:05:40] And then like so the whole thing there is it's like I didn't

[01:05:43] Maybe I was just constantly hung over and I didn't realize how shitty I felt but then once I stopped drinking that much

[01:05:49] She realized how shitty you felt. Yeah

[01:05:51] Yeah, and then give them you drink like 10

[01:05:53] Like I didn't drink for like two months

[01:05:54] And then like I went so hard when I started again

[01:05:56] I drank like a whole fucking bottle of whiskey the first day after not drinking for two months and I was hung over for like

[01:06:02] Five days. Yeah, it was it was horrible

[01:06:05] But then I could like drink like that while I was drinking all the time and like wake up and work and function the next day

[01:06:10] It's it's kind of it's kind of weird when you like

[01:06:13] dial it in how

[01:06:15] Much you've realized

[01:06:17] It was affecting you but you were just like blind to it before

[01:06:21] Yeah, it's breaking the habit really

[01:06:22] You know because there were so many times I'd come in here hung over as shit from

[01:06:26] Party in the night before and I have a show to do I'm in there slamming beers gagging just trying to get that buzz back

[01:06:30] Exactly drinking because I had to you get to the point of feeling so shitty that

[01:06:34] You need some stances to feel better. That's where I knew I had problems right that way. Yeah, that's we got we gotta tighten up

[01:06:40] Yeah, it's not easy

[01:06:42] But so that's been my personal experience right on yeah

[01:06:45] So yeah, not to get too deep into that but we do like to ask

[01:06:48] A question and it's been a while since we've had three people on the other side. I think it's a first to answer

[01:06:54] Yeah, this might just be a dcpc first. Yeah, but it's exciting this question

[01:06:59] Is uh is a good one

[01:07:00] So if each of you had one one piece of advice

[01:07:05] To be able to help out all of humanity like let's say everybody on the planet. Here's this podcast and your piece of advice

[01:07:11] What would your one piece of advice be to help humanity?

[01:07:22] I think I I think practice self awareness and checking in on yourself because I

[01:07:27] I really think as much as we can change other people

[01:07:30] We the real change is with yourself. So as long as you're aware of your behaviors how they're affecting you how you're feeling about them

[01:07:38] How they're affecting other people and you just handle that

[01:07:42] If everyone were to do that, I think we'd have a very

[01:07:45] Great and peaceful world

[01:07:47] Yeah, that's great

[01:07:50] um, I would say

[01:07:52] Cultivating discipline is probably the most important thing that anybody could ever do with their life

[01:07:57] Because everything you want is on the other side of all the work that you haven't done yet or you're resisting doing

[01:08:03] That you can have like any reality you want if your life like so many different possibilities

[01:08:07] You can have any of those realities, but it's going to come at the price of putting in the work to do that

[01:08:11] So like being able to cultivate some sense of discipline to get you where you want to go

[01:08:15] I think that is the thing that stands between people that are stuck and the people that kind of achieve the things

[01:08:19] They want is that

[01:08:21] Okay, I like that good stuff. I like that burning what you got. He's gonna have something funny. I feel like

[01:08:28] No, no, I mean really not. I'm trying to come up with something that's like actually helpful

[01:08:31] I mean like the idea of you know encouraging other people to like

[01:08:35] Better the world or better themselves in the world

[01:08:37] Which then has a profound effect on like the people around them and stuff. So I guess

[01:08:42] um

[01:08:43] Just just be kind

[01:08:45] And then for people who are pessimistic

[01:08:49] You know, I would say like find the silver lining

[01:08:51] Like there's a lot of people who have an opinion of the future that it's not going to be well

[01:08:55] And like that maybe that drives some of their behaviors, but so it's like all right

[01:08:59] Well, if the rest of it is shed

[01:09:01] Then today's the best day ever like so treat people kind today like enjoy and like enjoy the time that you have like

[01:09:07] uh, if you're being yourself about not doing one thing like enjoy the thing that you are doing in the absence of that

[01:09:15] I don't know. Yeah, just yeah be present and kind and I feel like if enough people do that then

[01:09:20] We'll be in a happier world, right? Yeah, I like no, I like it because we have um

[01:09:25] The awareness self acknowledgement like to have that self awareness and like self conversation and like actually look yourself in the mirror and admit that

[01:09:33] Shit, right? Yeah, and that that's not an easy task and like, you know sitting in a quiet room by yourself

[01:09:38] Like no music no nothing and like listening to yourself

[01:09:41] Like hat and being comfortable with that self dialogue is super important and then having the discipline

[01:09:46] To maintain it and like because we we like have this whole thing that we push here

[01:09:51] We didn't come up with it, but it's like this five second rule where like your intuition tells you the right thing to do

[01:09:56] It might be extremely difficult to do and you have like three to five seconds before your

[01:10:01] Consciousness tries to talk you out of this, right?

[01:10:03] Yeah, so it's like the discipline to actually act upon these difficult tasks that that will test who you are

[01:10:10] And then beyond those two things we also have the ability to like, you know

[01:10:16] With that being able to help people and like reach the people with that discipline and like share it

[01:10:21] Like because you could do all this stuff like a monk style and not share it with anybody

[01:10:25] But then if you're sharing this journey, then you will have a bigger impact

[01:10:29] That's that's the ebb and off impact. Thanks for some of that

[01:10:36] I know i was gonna say my advice for humanity because i've given a lot of these of course is to follow ebb and off

[01:10:42] There you go. Appreciate it. Yeah, you guys are awesome man. Yeah, really appreciate it. Yeah

[01:10:45] Thanks for having us today. What's the tour looking like?

[01:10:48] Where you going city's coming up anything here in colorado?

[01:10:52] We so we've had so much time on the road the last couple years

[01:10:54] So we are focusing right now on releasing a ton of music that nice

[01:10:58] We've been slacking on that that's been a part of our business that we haven't been doing very well at

[01:11:02] So we're gonna be rolling out a ton of new music writing a bunch of new music

[01:11:05] Then the next big show is august 6 august 17 17 17 17

[01:11:12] Are you sure i'm pretty sure 17 17 it adds up its math august 16 or 17th at meowell

[01:11:17] Yeah, okay. Yeah nice. Check that out. Or you're gonna be in sweden that time, huh?

[01:11:21] I think i will be in sweden. It's fine. I'll go just bring them bring them

[01:11:28] That'll be a fun show that's the next big like local show we like want it to be like local hometown throwdowns every year

[01:11:34] And yeah, that's always a good time. That's epic. Yeah, but really excited first time there

[01:11:38] We are

[01:11:39] figuring out a lot of like vip some ways that we can rework songs that people know and then hopefully

[01:11:43] Introducing a lot of new music. So yeah, if you're in the Denver area and want to come to a cool venue and see us play

[01:11:49] That's a show to go to

[01:11:51] Absolutely. Well, we're gonna leave all these links in the show notes below so everyone can check you guys out

[01:11:57] But where where's the plugs at?

[01:12:00] Where do you want to send people follow us at on instagram ebbon off underscore music

[01:12:05] Check out our website. Yeah

[01:12:09] That's probably the two best places to find everything you need because that's best where we host everything

[01:12:13] If you're watching it. Yeah, like hit us up like we run the page, you know

[01:12:17] Completely independent band so you should have a message one of us is going to see it nice and

[01:12:23] Yeah, we can give you all the deeds from there. Perfect. Yeah, we'll pull all that down below

[01:12:27] So definitely get in touch with these guys

[01:12:29] Check out their music. It's good stuff man. It's definitely going on my playlist now. We rock that to you

[01:12:32] Oh, yeah stream on spotify spotify spotify. We'll try to put those links in there

[01:12:36] We'll leave youtube in there too like uh, we'll get people on there

[01:12:39] And everybody listen and check it check it out like I was listening to their music right before we started recording this

[01:12:44] And I was jamming in the car coming over here like it's it's good stuff

[01:12:48] And and it's fun because it's like i'm about to be talking to these guys

[01:12:51] You know and getting to know them

[01:12:52] So it's awesome to get to know all three of you on a more personal level and um, we're gonna stay in touch

[01:12:58] You're in the DCPC wheelhouse now and like all of our listeners and uh

[01:13:03] And people who support us love to see repeat guests and see how your journey is progressing

[01:13:07] And so we usually do like once a year and I'm sure

[01:13:11] In the next year the amount of things that you accomplish will be immense and it's going to be awesome to check in

[01:13:15] Cool. Let's do it. Yeah, and we might do a live podcast. That's something we've been exploring a little bit

[01:13:20] Yeah, maybe having some people on or whatever, you know kind of running our own gig that way and that might be something

[01:13:24] We look at collaborating on in the future. I'll show up a little teaser there

[01:13:28] Yeah, something that we can you know

[01:13:30] Getting the works here coming up. So right on guys. We're gonna get out of here

[01:13:33] Be good to yourselves

[01:13:35] You deserve it to check out having off asap

[01:13:43] Yep