Discussion Combustion Podcast | 280 | Merry Christmas with Jamie Roehrich

[00:00:00] We'll have this discussion. Discussion? What discussion? This is a discussion. Combustion. Coming to you from Denver, Colorado, this is Discussion Combustion Podcast with your hosts, Kevin Batstone and Arthur Rawe. You guys are making me fucking nervous. Well no, cause like you know how sometimes things drip down the bottle or drip down the cusp? They're doing straight on Gloria. I think I spilled a beer on your laptop one time. Oh dude, we spilled so much shit on my laptop. I remember Mark had to rebuild the laptop one time. Thank you.

[00:00:30] Remember when the Dark Lord was hanging out? What is that? What is this? It's Crown. Okay. Cheers. Welcome in. Are we charged up? We're live. Alright. We're going. DCPC Christmas Special. Cheers. Merry Christmas. Cheers. Welcome in. Cheers guys. Cheers guys. Enjoy your whiskey. I'm gonna have my non-elks. Love you guys. Thanks for having me. You ready? Cheers. Are you danging the whole thing? Like a shot? Yeah. You're not sipping? It's Christmas time guys. No, I mean, do we sip normally? So,

[00:01:00] I think I'll sip right now. While they figure this out, I'll tell you what's going on here. I'll sip right now. It is currently Friday? Saturday? September 21st. We're gonna post the latest. September? Oh, sorry. December? I don't even know what fucking month it is. I know, and you're drinking soda. I'm not even drinking alcohol. Okay, I'm gonna take this one. Hello everybody. Welcome to the Christmas special. We're recording this on the 21st of December. It is December. Yes, and we have our good friend who's been with us since the foundation of Discussion. Since day one.

[00:01:29] Jamie Rorick back in here. We got Christmas presents on the table. We will be opening those a little bit later today. At some point in the show. We don't know when. And these are always great conversations, haven't you, Jamie? Yes. And again, I say it every time I'm on here. I mean, you guys would have done this no matter what, but I'm humbled that you guys...

[00:01:51] It wouldn't be where it's at. I know. I'm humbled that you guys keep saying it. If it wasn't for Jamie, you guys had this idea before. We did 92 episodes in your basement. Fair enough. 92. That's a lot. That got us the momentum. Right? Okay, well. Cheers. So, you're part of the team. And the wall, the wall downstairs? I know. Had to paint over it recently. For the folks that have been with us for a long time, you remember after the program, we would take a guest photo on that wall, and everyone would sign it, and we'd have all this shit all over it. That wall was epic. At least we still have pictures of it. But that's how we would do it. Back in the back in the back in the back.

[00:02:21] The basement was epic. It was. Man, we partied down there. So hard. If those walls could talk. Some good energy down there. There was a lot of creativity down there. Between this program, between the Ridge Runners, between the Explosive, and whatever the fuck else we would do on Friday night. Drugs, darts. Kiyoki. Yeah. Drinking. A lot of drinking. You and I would have our binge nights just listening to one fight song all night long. Remember, my neck would hurt so bad the next day from headbanging. What? Jamie and I killed like a 30-pack of some hillbilly beer. Dude, we were throwing beer cans.

[00:02:51] Everywhere. We were. In the basement, just hucking them? We were finding them probably. They're still down there. You probably found them in bushes outside even. Dude, I literally put my house up for sale on June. It hasn't sold, but when I started cleaning shit out, I had to hire people to come clean the basement out. And your guys is fucking. Dude, the amount of Budweiser case boxes that were shoved in the corner.

[00:03:20] The corner, yeah. I know the corner.

[00:03:22] It was.

[00:03:23] I drank a lot of beer then.

[00:03:24] We were like moving stuff around. I'm like, holy fuck.

[00:03:27] Well, you got to remember, we would drink a 12-pack every episode.

[00:03:29] I know. And then Kelly was like, aren't your friends going to come clean it up? I was like, I thought they did.

[00:03:36] Oops.

[00:03:36] I wouldn't come clean it up. I didn't know.

[00:03:38] It was that, you know.

[00:03:39] Okay, I'm not yelling at you, but you start moving the rubble around. You know, we're talking about the chaos at the basement.

[00:03:45] I hid so much shit back there.

[00:03:46] Well, yeah, because remember you guys had the curtains up?

[00:03:48] Oh, there was so much shit in back there.

[00:03:49] You would just like open up the curtains and just like. Dude, I mean, they were nicely stacked.

[00:03:54] Yeah.

[00:03:54] But they were. It was like, what was it? Minecraft. It was like a Minecraft fucking castle.

[00:04:00] A Budweiser box.

[00:04:01] Yeah, going on back there.

[00:04:02] You built one in here too.

[00:04:03] Well, I did build one here.

[00:04:04] Kevin has a thing for doing that.

[00:04:06] Yeah, not anymore.

[00:04:06] He likes his. I think it's like a badge of like, look what I've done.

[00:04:10] Yeah, look how much of an idiot I've been.

[00:04:11] Yeah, I've conquered another block.

[00:04:13] Look how much alcohol I consumed.

[00:04:14] He still takes badges. It's just not alcohol boxes anymore.

[00:04:17] No, it's not alcohol boxes.

[00:04:19] It's a different type of badge.

[00:04:20] Yeah, I mean, you just never know what it's going to be, really.

[00:04:22] You know, sometimes it's no nut November. Sometimes it's diccon December.

[00:04:25] Yeah, we need to talk about that because I just don't understand how that's healthy for a man.

[00:04:28] Well, I can tell you this. I won't do the challenge again.

[00:04:31] But it's good to do a challenge every once in a while.

[00:04:33] Yeah.

[00:04:33] You know, whether it's a fitness challenge, 30 days of no sugar, you know, stuff like that.

[00:04:38] What?

[00:04:38] And just see what you're capable of. You don't know what you're capable of.

[00:04:41] I'm, like, really into this, like, whole man movement thing.

[00:04:45] Okay.

[00:04:45] I'm not talking, like, chauvinistic stuff.

[00:04:47] But, like, I think people need to understand men more.

[00:04:50] Masculine energy.

[00:04:51] Yeah, yeah. Like, men more.

[00:04:53] And I recently watched something where this old timer was talking.

[00:04:57] And he goes, if a woman could just, like, reach into a man's brain for one day.

[00:05:03] Sex.

[00:05:03] Yeah, because men.

[00:05:05] That's what they're going to see.

[00:05:06] Well, yeah, they're going to focus on the thing that, you know, that they feel like is threatening to them the most.

[00:05:12] But, I mean, if they could literally reach into our brains and see what we go through every day.

[00:05:17] Yeah.

[00:05:17] We can literally think about, like, 10,000 things in one day.

[00:05:21] That's why women don't understand.

[00:05:23] Like, I'm a blue-collar, you know, worker guy, you know.

[00:05:26] I mean, you know.

[00:05:28] And you come home, and I literally tell Kelly, I was like, I just need an hour.

[00:05:33] Give me one hour.

[00:05:34] I'm the same way.

[00:05:35] Yeah, give me one hour.

[00:05:36] Let me have my cocktail.

[00:05:38] Let me have a few beers.

[00:05:39] And let me just, like, unwind from my job and all the other things I've been thinking about.

[00:05:45] And then I promise you I'm, like, totally invested in what your concerns are, what your thoughts are.

[00:05:51] You know, and I can honestly answer you.

[00:05:54] Yeah, I think that's perfectly healthy because you're running the show.

[00:05:57] You're like, look, this is how tonight's going to go down.

[00:05:58] I need a minute.

[00:05:59] And then it's all about you, baby.

[00:06:01] Yeah, I don't think it's running the show.

[00:06:03] I just think for a man to answer your significant other correctly without having to think too much.

[00:06:13] Because women, like, you walk in the door and there's a million questions.

[00:06:18] I mean, there's just, like, and you've got so much stuff going on anyway.

[00:06:21] And I think men just go, okay, okay, okay.

[00:06:24] They close their eyes and go, okay, okay, okay, I'll get to it, I'll get to it.

[00:06:26] And they didn't even hear.

[00:06:28] I think it's a habit.

[00:06:30] Of just being a yes man to just get.

[00:06:32] Yeah, yeah, just like, okay, okay, okay, I'll get to it, I'll get to it, this and that and that.

[00:06:36] And you sit down and they're still talking, you know.

[00:06:40] And it sounds horrible.

[00:06:41] It sounds like I'm like, you know, I'm not talking crap about women.

[00:06:44] It's just, we're just different species.

[00:06:45] You know, and they're still talking.

[00:06:46] We're not soaking any of that in when you first come home from home.

[00:06:50] What about the He-Man Woman Hater Club, Jamie?

[00:06:52] Well, yeah, that's, dude, we're talking.

[00:06:54] That was 15 years ago.

[00:06:55] Yeah, that's a long time ago.

[00:06:58] It's over.

[00:06:59] We burned it down.

[00:07:00] Yeah, I mean, I think you still have a leg in the fight there, you know, I think.

[00:07:04] I don't know if I want to be in that club anymore.

[00:07:06] Yeah, that sounds like a lame club.

[00:07:08] Yeah, it was a very depressing.

[00:07:10] It was dark.

[00:07:11] Yeah, dark.

[00:07:11] Very dark.

[00:07:12] You know, sad.

[00:07:12] That's a good club when you just got out of a relationship.

[00:07:16] And that's what it was.

[00:07:17] That's a good club.

[00:07:18] It's a very comforting club when you're in that position.

[00:07:21] Dude, we were so sad back then.

[00:07:23] You've got to remember that.

[00:07:24] We all said we were going to move to Arizona.

[00:07:26] Right.

[00:07:27] And we're going to make a little commune, you know, with our little campers in the desert.

[00:07:31] I still want to do that.

[00:07:32] It's going to be campers?

[00:07:33] Yeah, in campers.

[00:07:34] Redneck shit.

[00:07:35] Okay.

[00:07:36] And we'd have a little, you know, campfire in the middle.

[00:07:41] Rattlesnake skulls.

[00:07:41] Yeah, you know, and we were just going to sit there, you know, until we needed ice.

[00:07:45] And then we'd go into, like, civilization.

[00:07:47] And Jamie would sit there with his pet lizard.

[00:07:48] Yeah, pet lizard.

[00:07:50] And then we'd have brother Mark there, you know, to fix things.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:53] You know, Mark would be the fix-it guy.

[00:07:54] And then I'll be the entertainer.

[00:07:56] That's how sad and dark that era was.

[00:07:59] It was pretty rough.

[00:07:59] I mean, brother blue eyes right now.

[00:08:01] He's got a good woman.

[00:08:02] Brother blue eyes, I like that.

[00:08:03] You know, I got a good woman.

[00:08:05] Kevin's still, you know.

[00:08:07] Being a dumbass?

[00:08:09] No, not being dumbass.

[00:08:10] Kevin's being a ladies' man.

[00:08:12] He's courting and being a gentleman to these women.

[00:08:14] Absolutely.

[00:08:15] I 100% believe in that.

[00:08:16] I'm not, you know.

[00:08:17] And you're being upfront and honest.

[00:08:19] Of course.

[00:08:19] And what else?

[00:08:20] I like the courting karmically-wise.

[00:08:23] You got to court and date him.

[00:08:24] Yeah.

[00:08:24] Yeah, you got to just be upfront.

[00:08:25] That's old school, you know.

[00:08:28] Kevin's constantly buying a used car.

[00:08:31] And he's just going to constantly just test drive and test drive and test drive and check

[00:08:35] out the warranties.

[00:08:37] Make sure the horn works.

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:39] That's a great sounding horn.

[00:08:40] Put some bells and whistles on it.

[00:08:42] Oh, oh.

[00:08:43] It's a good horn.

[00:08:44] That's a good horn.

[00:08:45] That's quite the analogy.

[00:08:46] Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:47] But, you know, look, we're getting older.

[00:08:49] Yeah.

[00:08:50] All of us are getting older.

[00:08:51] Brother Mark couldn't make it here today.

[00:08:52] We're probably going to get Damon.

[00:08:53] Brother Mark, did we send him a proper brother indictment?

[00:08:56] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:08:56] Jamie did indictment, did you?

[00:08:57] I called him a little.

[00:08:58] I mean, dude, we would have set up.

[00:08:59] He's sleeping.

[00:09:00] We got a fourth mic.

[00:09:01] He's sleeping.

[00:09:02] Yeah, he said he had stuff to do and he just woke up and got to the show.

[00:09:05] That's usually an early riser.

[00:09:06] I'm surprised.

[00:09:07] M-Trem, I'm surprised.

[00:09:09] Mark is not an early riser if he doesn't have to work.

[00:09:11] Yeah, me neither.

[00:09:12] Is that right?

[00:09:13] I thought he was always the first one up.

[00:09:15] I'm getting up at like 9 o'clock if I don't have to wake up.

[00:09:18] Dude, that's late for me.

[00:09:20] Is that late for you?

[00:09:20] What time do you get up on your day off?

[00:09:23] Seven.

[00:09:24] Yeah.

[00:09:24] Six.

[00:09:25] Six.

[00:09:26] Dude, I'm serious.

[00:09:27] I'm old.

[00:09:28] I mean, I'm like sitting up watching my YouTube videos and all this stuff.

[00:09:32] I have a few cocktails and by 8 o'clock I'm looking at Kelly and go, fuck, it's 8 o'clock.

[00:09:36] Yeah.

[00:09:36] You should probably go to bed.

[00:09:37] I can see that.

[00:09:38] You know, you're watching Discussion Combustion.

[00:09:39] You're like, all right, it's time for bed.

[00:09:41] Yeah.

[00:09:42] Have Kevin's silky smooth radio voice.

[00:09:45] I'll talk to you to sleep.

[00:09:45] Do you have a lullaby to sleep?

[00:09:46] My Rudolph?

[00:09:47] There's only so many sweaters that you can watch with the drawn-on nose.

[00:09:51] With the drawn-on nose.

[00:09:52] Yeah, about that.

[00:09:53] So, this sweater, we're going to have to go camera four, I think.

[00:09:57] No.

[00:09:57] Yeah.

[00:09:58] So, the sweater used to have an actual nose and it fell off.

[00:10:02] It was like a little fuzz ball.

[00:10:04] And Art was like, man.

[00:10:05] So, was it like glued on?

[00:10:06] No, it was like a red fuzz ball.

[00:10:07] It was kind of sewed on and it fell off.

[00:10:09] Yeah, but how was it attached?

[00:10:11] Sewed on.

[00:10:11] It was sewn on.

[00:10:13] And then it fell off.

[00:10:14] I probably fucking whapped it or something and yoinked it off.

[00:10:16] And so, Art's like, we've got to put a nose on that son of a bitch.

[00:10:18] Yeah.

[00:10:18] It looks better with the little black spot.

[00:10:20] It does.

[00:10:20] I think it looks nice.

[00:10:21] We're very festive today.

[00:10:22] I mean, it looks real.

[00:10:24] It's a sharpie.

[00:10:25] As far as a sweater, I guess.

[00:10:26] Oh, it's a real sweater.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] Why?

[00:10:28] It was probably made in Zimbabwe or something.

[00:10:29] Speaking of Zimbabwe, so on Happy Friday last week, we did an article.

[00:10:34] Check this out, Jamie.

[00:10:36] There's a condom shortage in Zimbabwe.

[00:10:38] Okay?

[00:10:39] Why is there always a condom shortage in these?

[00:10:41] Like third world, like small.

[00:10:42] Well, because they're not as fortunate as we are.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:44] You know, they're just less fortunate.

[00:10:46] But people are still doing sex, of course.

[00:10:48] And so, they've been using baby socks as a replacement.

[00:10:52] Like actual socks?

[00:10:53] Like actual socks.

[00:10:54] That's got to be thrilling for a woman.

[00:10:55] And so, we got to debate on Happy Friday.

[00:10:57] We're like, how would that even fuck?

[00:10:58] How would that even work?

[00:11:01] A baby sock.

[00:11:03] Well, I mean, they've been known not to be well endowed in that part of the world.

[00:11:06] And look, everybody comes in different shapes and sizes.

[00:11:09] But you would think a baby sock wouldn't be enough to encapsulate.

[00:11:12] Well, so this is my conclusion on that.

[00:11:14] I believe that it would help decrease the distribution of semen.

[00:11:21] But it would not stop the spread of STDs.

[00:11:24] Well, I think the idea is.

[00:11:25] Well, okay.

[00:11:28] Let's go back what we were taught in like sex ed.

[00:11:31] So, STDs are spread.

[00:11:33] Every time you have sex, you get microscopic tears and skin.

[00:11:37] Right.

[00:11:38] And that's how it's spread.

[00:11:39] And friction.

[00:11:39] So, even if you had a sock.

[00:11:43] I get what you're saying.

[00:11:44] Would it soak through the sock?

[00:11:45] Yeah, it would soak through the sock.

[00:11:47] And like semen would still get through the sock too.

[00:11:50] I feel like the sock would soak up some of the semen.

[00:11:52] I wouldn't say that's the best way of not getting pregnant.

[00:11:55] I mean, yeah.

[00:11:56] Oh, no.

[00:11:56] It's not a good contraceptive.

[00:11:58] It's a horrible contraceptive all the way around.

[00:11:59] No, it's not a good solution.

[00:12:01] But Zimbabwe was trying to create.

[00:12:02] So, what would be a good solution?

[00:12:03] You know, if you don't have.

[00:12:05] A saran wrap.

[00:12:06] Ziploc bags.

[00:12:07] Ziploc bags.

[00:12:08] I feel like that would hurt.

[00:12:09] Saran wrap.

[00:12:12] A sock?

[00:12:13] Well, a sock.

[00:12:14] Just go to the thighs.

[00:12:15] A sock is like a sponge.

[00:12:17] So, think of a woman.

[00:12:18] No, that's what I'm saying.

[00:12:19] I mean, you like do like a stroke and a half.

[00:12:24] Yeah.

[00:12:24] You pretty much like.

[00:12:25] You better have like a.

[00:12:26] It just absorbed all the moisture.

[00:12:27] Yeah, you better have like a.

[00:12:28] You know, like a ketchup bottle of like lube just like squirting.

[00:12:32] Yeah, you're going to have to get.

[00:12:33] You know, you're going to have to play the game a little differently.

[00:12:35] Yeah.

[00:12:36] You know, you're just going to have to get creative.

[00:12:37] Yeah, there's not a whole.

[00:12:38] I would just raw dog it at that point.

[00:12:40] Yeah, at that point.

[00:12:41] I mean, if you have to use a sock.

[00:12:42] I mean, I just really.

[00:12:43] I agree.

[00:12:44] I don't understand what a sock is really going to do.

[00:12:45] Yeah, it's like.

[00:12:46] It's like, okay.

[00:12:47] I think it's more of a mental thing.

[00:12:49] Sometimes faking it is pointless.

[00:12:51] And if you don't have the condom and you really need to have sex, just hit the thighs up,

[00:12:56] hit the chest up, you know, use your hands.

[00:12:59] There's other ways to get this done.

[00:13:01] If you want to have safe sex or sexual encounters, you could do it safely with without spreading

[00:13:07] stuff.

[00:13:07] I'm pretty sure.

[00:13:08] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:13:09] That's like different ways to do it.

[00:13:11] Yeah, but we're guys.

[00:13:12] Yeah.

[00:13:13] So you hit up the thighs, hit up the chest.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:15] I mean, I mean, I can only say that so professionally.

[00:13:18] I mean, yeah.

[00:13:19] This is a Christmas special.

[00:13:21] Should be, you know, we're going off the rails a little bit, but who cares?

[00:13:23] That's what we do at DCP.

[00:13:24] Yeah.

[00:13:24] So what do you guys think are in these presents?

[00:13:26] Kev, what do you think is in that present?

[00:13:27] I got you.

[00:13:28] Hopefully it's some lube after this conversation because I don't want to.

[00:13:31] Are you getting all worked up?

[00:13:31] No, I'm just saying.

[00:13:33] I mean.

[00:13:33] You're going to have to crammer one out?

[00:13:34] I'm going to mail it to Inzabwe or whatever.

[00:13:37] Zimbabwe?

[00:13:38] You're going to mail them some rubbers?

[00:13:40] That and some lube.

[00:13:41] Because the whole baby sock thing, I just.

[00:13:43] I mean, even a baby sock, dude.

[00:13:45] Like, seriously?

[00:13:46] What is that going to cover?

[00:13:48] How do they keep it on?

[00:13:49] How do they not lose it?

[00:13:50] I bet you they spend more time trying to find what they've lost.

[00:13:55] That's a treacherous, treacherous place to be in.

[00:13:58] You've been to that part of the world?

[00:13:59] I mean, does it like just cover like the head and like a quarter of the shaft?

[00:14:04] Well, that's what I was saying.

[00:14:05] I think that they're not as well endowed over in that part of the world as other parts of the world.

[00:14:11] So, I don't know.

[00:14:13] You know, it was a Happy Friday article we did.

[00:14:14] Yeah, but think about it.

[00:14:15] I mean.

[00:14:15] It's got everyone thinking.

[00:14:16] I mean, I'm not saying I'm like a, you know, a racehorse.

[00:14:20] Oh, I'm done.

[00:14:21] Home-wise.

[00:14:22] Right.

[00:14:22] No, me either.

[00:14:22] But babies suck.

[00:14:24] It wouldn't work.

[00:14:25] Yeah, it just wouldn't work.

[00:14:26] I mean.

[00:14:26] It wouldn't do anything.

[00:14:27] If you want to do that, like, you know, the whole, you know, give it all.

[00:14:32] It's not going to work.

[00:14:33] Yeah, you better have something holding that thing on.

[00:14:35] Like, there's not like.

[00:14:37] Suspenders.

[00:14:39] Suspenders.

[00:14:39] And they attach to your balls.

[00:14:41] Yeah, like.

[00:14:43] You couldn't do a rubber band.

[00:14:44] A rubber band would be a good idea.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:47] Yeah.

[00:14:48] Yeah, just.

[00:14:49] My mind is going like wild right now.

[00:14:51] How did you find this?

[00:14:52] So, Happy Friday is a wild show.

[00:14:54] I don't know if you ever tuned into it.

[00:14:55] No.

[00:14:55] The idea is Art and I try to find articles that you're not going to hear about, like on.

[00:14:59] How is that happy, though?

[00:15:00] Well, it's.

[00:15:02] Because it's stupid.

[00:15:02] They call it a happy sock.

[00:15:04] It's ridiculous.

[00:15:05] It's satire.

[00:15:06] Yeah.

[00:15:06] That program is just us being silly.

[00:15:07] I mean, have you seen it, Jamie?

[00:15:08] I wear these fucking glasses on the show with a sport coat.

[00:15:11] Oh, I thought you wore those all the time.

[00:15:13] No, that's just Happy Friday.

[00:15:14] Oh.

[00:15:14] Yeah.

[00:15:15] Those glasses are.

[00:15:15] Yeah, but that's not stupid.

[00:15:16] I mean.

[00:15:17] No, well, that's America.

[00:15:17] Yeah, that's.

[00:15:19] That's badass.

[00:15:20] Very patriotic.

[00:15:21] Yeah, see?

[00:15:22] I like that.

[00:15:22] Yeah, no.

[00:15:23] The glasses aren't stupid, but it's a gimmick is what it is.

[00:15:26] It's, yeah.

[00:15:26] And.

[00:15:27] We have fun.

[00:15:27] Yeah, it's like a fun show.

[00:15:29] It's.

[00:15:30] Sometimes serious discussion.

[00:15:31] It's not quite like the shit show.

[00:15:32] Makes itself there.

[00:15:33] So, should we be fun right now?

[00:15:34] We are having fun.

[00:15:35] Or should we be serious?

[00:15:37] Whatever.

[00:15:38] Because everything I said was pretty serious.

[00:15:39] Whatever you want to portray.

[00:15:40] Yeah, no, this is serious.

[00:15:41] Or it could be AI.

[00:15:42] Is this even real?

[00:15:44] You know, who even knows anymore?

[00:15:46] Nah, this is totally real.

[00:15:47] Yeah, this is pretty real.

[00:15:47] We keep it real.

[00:15:48] This is pretty fucking real because I guarantee you, I have a small dick and even a baby sock

[00:15:52] isn't going to cover the whole thing.

[00:15:54] It's pretty real.

[00:15:55] And you heard it right here on DCPC.

[00:15:57] Hey, just so you know, you brought that whole conversation up.

[00:16:00] Well, I've been thinking about it since Happy Friday because I've had a lot.

[00:16:03] I've talked to a couple people about it throughout the week and I was curious to see what Jamie

[00:16:05] would think about it.

[00:16:06] I mean, it's one of those things that's just so ridiculous.

[00:16:08] That's so stupid.

[00:16:09] It's ridiculous.

[00:16:10] It's like, why would you think this would work?

[00:16:13] How?

[00:16:15] Like, use like medical gloves over that or something.

[00:16:18] Like, something else.

[00:16:19] I mean, we literally like threw like three different ideas other than a baby sock.

[00:16:25] Well, apparently they may have a lot of baby socks there.

[00:16:27] That's where a lot of them are manufactured.

[00:16:28] So they're readily available.

[00:16:31] I don't know.

[00:16:31] I don't have the answer to Zimbabwe, but we're thinking of you.

[00:16:34] Where's Zimbabwe at?

[00:16:36] Isn't that in Africa?

[00:16:37] Yeah, I believe it's on the east side.

[00:16:38] They're not well endowed in Africa?

[00:16:40] Well, I really don't know what I don't know.

[00:16:42] You know what I'm saying?

[00:16:43] Like, isn't that like...

[00:16:44] If that's the case...

[00:16:45] BBC is like a whole category.

[00:16:47] If they're packing heat like that, a baby sock's not going to do a damn thing.

[00:16:50] No.

[00:16:50] I'm starting to call bullshit on some of this stuff.

[00:16:52] The baby sock thing was a dumb idea.

[00:16:56] It's a terrible idea.

[00:16:57] That's why we're talking about it.

[00:16:58] I just don't see any...

[00:16:59] I mean...

[00:17:00] I mean, you...

[00:17:02] Unless you're like completely fucking sober, and you have a baby sock on your fucking winky,

[00:17:10] and it's only covering the head in, like I said, maybe a quarter of the winky.

[00:17:16] Just to catch the liquid?

[00:17:17] Yeah.

[00:17:18] I mean...

[00:17:20] I mean, if you're a driver, you know what I mean?

[00:17:23] If you're like, you know...

[00:17:25] What's up with the pullout game?

[00:17:28] That's what I'm saying.

[00:17:29] When you do that, how many socks have been lost?

[00:17:33] No, but what do we think the percentage of pullouters are in the world?

[00:17:36] Probably 65.

[00:17:37] You think there's more pullouters than stay-iners?

[00:17:40] Yeah.

[00:17:40] I want to know what the emergency rooms look like.

[00:17:44] Because how many women are going to these emergency rooms and go, oh, there's a baby sock in there?

[00:17:48] Yeah, it's stuck.

[00:17:49] I just don't understand how...

[00:17:50] I knew someone that happened to.

[00:17:51] Not with a sock, but with a rubber.

[00:17:52] No, it wasn't a tampon.

[00:17:53] Oh.

[00:17:54] So, like, a baby sock.

[00:17:55] So, if it...

[00:17:57] Even if it was long enough, do you have the girk to, like, hold it on there tight?

[00:18:01] I just don't see, like...

[00:18:04] We've got to get Damon involved.

[00:18:05] We're video calling him.

[00:18:07] I don't understand how anybody ever thought this was going to work.

[00:18:10] You know...

[00:18:10] Yo quiero mas, por favor.

[00:18:12] I really don't know.

[00:18:13] Is Damon on me?

[00:18:14] No, yo quiero.

[00:18:15] Oh, mas.

[00:18:16] Mas.

[00:18:16] Yo quiero.

[00:18:17] Is he on here, Jamie?

[00:18:18] Pequito mas.

[00:18:19] Yo quiero mas.

[00:18:20] I thought it was pequito mas.

[00:18:22] A little more.

[00:18:23] You can't call...

[00:18:24] No, I want...

[00:18:24] I want more.

[00:18:25] It says I can't call Damon.

[00:18:26] But poquito mas.

[00:18:27] Yeah, that works, too.

[00:18:28] So, un poco mas.

[00:18:31] We're...

[00:18:36] We're...

[00:18:37] We need a napkin.

[00:18:39] We'll get it dialed.

[00:18:40] Do you got a napkin over there?

[00:18:43] What is going on over here, guys?

[00:18:44] We need a napkin.

[00:18:45] Well, I can't see because now I'm nervous that it might dribble and then it dribbled, you

[00:18:49] know?

[00:18:49] We got some white shirts.

[00:18:50] I didn't have a baby sock.

[00:18:52] You got...

[00:18:52] Oh, man.

[00:18:53] You don't have a baby sock.

[00:18:54] Here, let me grab some.

[00:18:54] We got white shirts.

[00:18:56] I don't think Damon's...

[00:18:56] Well, I don't think it's going to hurt anyone.

[00:18:58] Yeah, but we got to clean up after ourselves here, Jamie.

[00:19:01] Come on.

[00:19:01] I tried to call him earlier.

[00:19:02] He didn't answer.

[00:19:03] I don't think he's going to...

[00:19:04] I told him you were going to get on the show.

[00:19:08] Thanks.

[00:19:08] You guys are making a fucking mess.

[00:19:10] Jamie made the mess.

[00:19:12] Come on, Jamie.

[00:19:13] I don't understand why it's always got to be about me.

[00:19:16] Jesus.

[00:19:17] All right.

[00:19:17] All right.

[00:19:18] He's not answering.

[00:19:18] Thanks, Kev.

[00:19:19] Here, let me...

[00:19:19] He's not answering.

[00:19:19] Here, let me get those napkins.

[00:19:20] I want to get the rim.

[00:19:22] I want to make sure this rim job is done right.

[00:19:24] All right.

[00:19:24] Damon, we tried to get you on the show, but you didn't answer, so...

[00:19:28] Sorry, Damon.

[00:19:29] It's okay.

[00:19:30] We'll keep it moving.

[00:19:31] It's the holidays.

[00:19:32] And what I love about the holidays is...

[00:19:33] Look, it got us all together.

[00:19:35] Right?

[00:19:36] I mean...

[00:19:36] Saturday Christmas special with a little bit of...

[00:19:39] The viewers are going to see this on Christmas morning.

[00:19:41] This will drop Christmas morning, so...

[00:19:43] Hope everyone's having a fantastic day and open some gifts and enjoying family time.

[00:19:46] And we didn't just ruin your Christmas morning by talking about Zimbabwe baby socks.

[00:19:50] But, you know, it's just one of those things.

[00:19:52] I still think it's kind of weird.

[00:19:54] It's a present of a conversation.

[00:19:56] I'm literally everywhere I go for the next meeting, I'm like,

[00:20:00] If you put a baby sock on your cock and you just met some chick, how well do you think that would work?

[00:20:06] Because I'm pretty sure everybody...

[00:20:08] I hope everybody would have the same face they have like my grandma.

[00:20:11] Yeah, I think most people are like, what are you saying?

[00:20:13] Yeah, what the fuck?

[00:20:14] Yeah.

[00:20:14] What is going on?

[00:20:15] I think, you know, like, you know, if you want to put a baby sock on your package for fun, to like, you know, have a fun time.

[00:20:24] Like, throw a face on it?

[00:20:25] Like, just try to, you know, you're just having fun playing around with it.

[00:20:28] You could like get in a push-up position and act like you're walking with it or something.

[00:20:32] I think we need to get Sarah McLachlan...

[00:20:33] Like, you just start having fun with it, but to use it as protection.

[00:20:37] Yeah.

[00:20:38] Fuck the whole dog thing and the starring children.

[00:20:41] We need Sarah McLachlan to like make a commercial.

[00:20:44] What's that song that she would sing on there?

[00:20:46] Like, the real sad one?

[00:20:47] I know.

[00:20:48] You know which one I'm talking about?

[00:20:49] Yeah.

[00:20:50] It's like Heart of an Angel or something.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:52] She's like singing.

[00:20:53] Baby socks aren't going to work.

[00:20:54] In the arms of the angels.

[00:20:56] I think as Americans we have the responsibility to send condoms to Inzibwe.

[00:21:01] Well, we've said it here on Discussion Combustion.

[00:21:03] The Trump administration has heard it.

[00:21:05] We've got to support Zimbabwe with condoms.

[00:21:06] Let's get it done, boys.

[00:21:08] Let Elon Musk run that.

[00:21:09] Whatever he's got to do.

[00:21:10] Let's help these guys out.

[00:21:12] Yeah, but he would have like a robotic condom.

[00:21:14] Hope for veterans.

[00:21:16] He would have some AI shit, huh?

[00:21:17] I know.

[00:21:17] It'd be like...

[00:21:19] A 3D printed condom.

[00:21:20] What do you think about these drones, Jamie?

[00:21:25] I think it's kind of like...

[00:21:28] Depends on what you're...

[00:21:30] Like you and I can go buy a drone.

[00:21:32] I mean, it all depends on...

[00:21:33] Yeah, Mark's got one.

[00:21:34] Yeah, it all depends on what you're like...

[00:21:35] I don't think anybody should be flying around and like trying to, you know, invade you or invade you or me or...

[00:21:43] You know, I think it's wrong.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:46] You know?

[00:21:47] There are a lot of them out there.

[00:21:48] Yeah.

[00:21:48] I mean...

[00:21:48] Have you seen some of these videos?

[00:21:49] But dude, I mean...

[00:21:51] Okay.

[00:21:53] We're getting in a rabbit hole now, so...

[00:21:57] So, it's like the camera on that computer.

[00:21:59] Is it covered up with a piece of tape?

[00:22:01] My work one is.

[00:22:03] Why?

[00:22:04] Well, because sometimes I forget to turn my camera off.

[00:22:07] Well, okay.

[00:22:08] And then what are you doing that you don't want people to see at work?

[00:22:11] I mean, you know, I might be having a snack or something.

[00:22:14] Do you really think people are that concerned about Kevin Batstone that they're going to monitor everything you do?

[00:22:20] Absolutely.

[00:22:20] I have a reputation to uphold to the world here.

[00:22:23] Obviously, I'm on camera right now, Jamie.

[00:22:25] Do you know how many times I've whacked off in front of my fucking laptop and I've never...

[00:22:29] Zero times, Jamie.

[00:22:30] Zero.

[00:22:31] Absolutely zero times.

[00:22:32] Because if I did, because if I was to whack off...

[00:22:35] Jamie.

[00:22:36] ...in front of my laptop...

[00:22:37] Zero times.

[00:22:38] It's 2024.

[00:22:39] Why are you beating up to the laptop?

[00:22:41] We have these amazing devices with high-definition capabilities.

[00:22:46] Because I'm old and I'm still on the laptop thing.

[00:22:48] But anyway, if I was to whack off in front of my laptop...

[00:22:52] I mean, if I'm that important where the entire world wants to watch me whack off to like whatever porn...

[00:22:59] Somebody probably wants to see it.

[00:23:00] Yeah.

[00:23:00] I mean, I just don't understand the paranoia that...

[00:23:03] You got that sexy claws looking...

[00:23:05] I know.

[00:23:06] If I just had your eyes...

[00:23:07] Hawaiian shirt right now.

[00:23:08] But your beard is looking so good.

[00:23:11] It's pretty robust.

[00:23:12] Yeah, it's...

[00:23:12] It's looking really good.

[00:23:14] It's looking pretty good, Jamie.

[00:23:15] I remember when you didn't have any gray.

[00:23:16] That's how long I've known your ass.

[00:23:18] I know.

[00:23:18] It's been a tough two weeks.

[00:23:20] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:21] I remember when you died at that one time.

[00:23:22] You looked like Captain Morgan.

[00:23:23] Oh, Jesus Christ.

[00:23:24] It was so jet-packed.

[00:23:26] He looked like Captain Morgan.

[00:23:28] We were getting so much shit.

[00:23:28] It was the dumbest thing ever.

[00:23:30] Whose idea was that?

[00:23:31] Mine.

[00:23:32] You know, I mean, until we make the mistake, we don't know.

[00:23:35] I was like, I don't...

[00:23:36] I think people are being really...

[00:23:38] I've heard stories like when people take showers, they'd like turn their hot water up

[00:23:43] as high as they can because they put microchips in the water.

[00:23:46] I've heard...

[00:23:47] I mean, we could take this stuff really, really far.

[00:23:49] Oh, we can go off the rails quick.

[00:23:50] Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:51] I mean...

[00:23:51] It's fun to talk about, though.

[00:23:53] It doesn't necessarily mean we believe or are promoting any of this.

[00:23:56] We're just discussing it.

[00:23:57] We talk to Spurs on here, like our birds reel.

[00:23:59] You heard that one?

[00:24:01] Well, I mean, we have little Tyrannosaurus rex swimming in the pond out front.

[00:24:06] Oh, did you see our dinosaur population out there?

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:08] Those are cool.

[00:24:09] Yeah.

[00:24:09] I mean, they do shit everywhere, but...

[00:24:11] They're like...

[00:24:12] Yeah.

[00:24:12] They're like flying rats, pretty much.

[00:24:14] Yeah.

[00:24:15] What do you do with the geese?

[00:24:16] No, they're not like flying rats because rats are mammals.

[00:24:22] Buck, here we go.

[00:24:23] That would be more like a bat.

[00:24:25] They're like...

[00:24:25] You started it.

[00:24:26] It's mammals versus like a...

[00:24:28] Okay, if we're going to talk about...

[00:24:29] ...descendant of the dinosaurs.

[00:24:30] If you want to be all scientific about flying rats, I think a seagull is like the most

[00:24:35] flying rat.

[00:24:36] No, that's a pigeon.

[00:24:38] A pigeon.

[00:24:39] No, no, no.

[00:24:39] No, people consider pigeons like flying rats.

[00:24:41] No, no, no.

[00:24:41] Have you ever seen like a fucking seagull?

[00:24:44] They're in every trash dump.

[00:24:45] You ever seen a seagull that like kills a rabbit and just swallows it?

[00:24:48] No, they're like flying raccoons.

[00:24:51] No, they're flying raccoons.

[00:24:52] A pigeon is a pigeon.

[00:24:54] Speaking of rats, have you seen the fucking video for the rat and the chicken getting in

[00:24:58] a fight?

[00:24:58] Uh-uh.

[00:24:59] It's like a real video?

[00:25:01] Dude.

[00:25:01] Do you do the TikTok thing?

[00:25:02] And the chicken wins.

[00:25:03] Uh-huh.

[00:25:03] Doesn't the chicken like...

[00:25:04] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:04] Chicken like totally fucking murdered.

[00:25:06] Is it a chicken or a rooster?

[00:25:07] It was a rooster.

[00:25:08] A rooster, yeah.

[00:25:08] Yeah.

[00:25:09] I mean, it's the same kind of thing except the rooster is kind of more powerful.

[00:25:12] No, I haven't seen that.

[00:25:13] Um...

[00:25:14] So what would you think, Kev?

[00:25:15] Because we disagree.

[00:25:16] Jamie and I disagree on this.

[00:25:17] Do you think that a pigeon is a flying rat or a seagull is a flying rat?

[00:25:24] I would probably say the seagull only because it's more of a...

[00:25:28] Like it's like a buzzard.

[00:25:29] You know, like a buzzard that just eats shit.

[00:25:31] Yeah, where there's the shit.

[00:25:32] But buzzards are really bad.

[00:25:34] Pigeons just hang around tall buildings.

[00:25:36] I would say buzzards and ravens are way worse than a seagull as far as the shit that they'll

[00:25:40] eat.

[00:25:41] Dude, seagulls literally are like trash dumps.

[00:25:44] Any kind of like filth.

[00:25:45] They'll eat anything that they can swallow.

[00:25:47] I mean, it's like a rat.

[00:25:50] I mean...

[00:25:51] Yeah.

[00:25:52] Yeah.

[00:25:52] And they stink.

[00:25:53] Yeah.

[00:25:54] I mean, it's just...

[00:25:55] I'm going to still say seagulls are raccoons.

[00:25:58] And pigeons are flying rats.

[00:26:00] Well, when I say seagulls, I'm not talking like you're going on a Florida vacation and there's

[00:26:02] like, you know, you got flying seagulls on the beach.

[00:26:05] I'm talking like you go to like the landfill over here off of Ben Club Road.

[00:26:09] I mean, there's millions of like gulls.

[00:26:12] Okay.

[00:26:12] They're there.

[00:26:13] Gulls.

[00:26:13] Yeah.

[00:26:13] I mean, that's what they do.

[00:26:15] They congregate there.

[00:26:15] I mean, they're just like...

[00:26:17] They eat all the shit.

[00:26:19] I'm not denying.

[00:26:20] I'm not denying that they're trash eaters.

[00:26:21] Yeah.

[00:26:22] They're definitely trash eaters.

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:23] Yeah.

[00:26:24] I still think like buzzards though or ravens.

[00:26:26] You know.

[00:26:27] No.

[00:26:27] They're like the opportunists.

[00:26:29] It's not like a rat.

[00:26:30] Rats aren't opportunists.

[00:26:32] I mean, rats will just go after them.

[00:26:33] Rats will eat anything.

[00:26:34] Yeah.

[00:26:34] But like buzzards, they kind of swirl around and try to find some shit to eat.

[00:26:39] Buzzards are like the...

[00:26:42] What do you call those people that like mortuaries and shit?

[00:26:46] The undertakers of the world.

[00:26:48] They clean up all the death.

[00:26:50] That's what...

[00:26:50] Yeah.

[00:26:51] They eat all the...

[00:26:51] They'll eat like rotting corpses and shit.

[00:26:53] And like, you know, rats that have been rotten on the fucking street.

[00:26:56] Look at me the bird expert.

[00:26:57] I know nothing about fucking birds.

[00:27:00] We just bullshit about everything.

[00:27:02] It's just like...

[00:27:02] I'm right.

[00:27:03] You're wrong.

[00:27:04] We've covered a lot of ground already.

[00:27:05] Yeah.

[00:27:06] Zimbabwe.

[00:27:06] Yeah.

[00:27:07] Birds.

[00:27:07] That's still just...

[00:27:08] I don't understand that.

[00:27:09] Yeah.

[00:27:09] All right.

[00:27:09] We'll see.

[00:27:10] It's got you thinking.

[00:27:11] So...

[00:27:11] I mean, there's so much going on.

[00:27:13] But I'm really excited to have you back in, Jamie.

[00:27:16] When's the last time I saw you in person?

[00:27:19] Was it your birthday?

[00:27:20] Oh, yeah.

[00:27:21] My 15th.

[00:27:21] Was it your birthday or did like...

[00:27:22] No, I can't.

[00:27:23] No way it was that long.

[00:27:24] April.

[00:27:24] Because I saw you fairly recently.

[00:27:27] Yeah, you were when Arthur.

[00:27:27] Yeah, because I go visit him.

[00:27:29] Yeah.

[00:27:30] Why are you giving me that look?

[00:27:31] Well, I'm just saying.

[00:27:31] I went and visited him.

[00:27:32] He's like looking at me like I did something wrong.

[00:27:33] Arthur.

[00:27:34] Arthur.

[00:27:34] He's seen me once since the last time you saw him.

[00:27:36] I mean, it's not like it's like every week.

[00:27:38] Yeah, I came to your house and we drank some non-alc seltzers.

[00:27:41] Yeah.

[00:27:41] Yeah, that sounds fun.

[00:27:42] Killed it.

[00:27:43] You know.

[00:27:43] We partied hard, man.

[00:27:44] Yeah.

[00:27:45] That night.

[00:27:46] We were in bed by 8.45.

[00:27:47] Yeah.

[00:27:47] Dude, I don't care.

[00:27:49] It's awesome going to sleep at a reasonable hour and waking up feeling refreshed the next

[00:27:53] day.

[00:27:54] That never gets old to me.

[00:27:55] See, even when I try to do that, though, if I get in bed early, I just lay there for

[00:27:58] hours.

[00:27:59] I find I'm doing the same thing.

[00:28:01] Like, if I was going to bed at like 10 or 11, the alarm went up at 5 and I was up.

[00:28:05] Right.

[00:28:05] But now if I go to bed at 8 and the alarm goes up at 5, I'm like, fuck.

[00:28:09] Fuck this.

[00:28:10] I just want to lay here.

[00:28:11] Yeah.

[00:28:11] I mean, yeah, I feel like my motivation isn't the same.

[00:28:16] That's always when the bed is the most comfortable is when you have to get up out of it.

[00:28:19] Well, Kelly and I have like one of those sleep number beds.

[00:28:22] Oh, yeah.

[00:28:23] Is it a king size?

[00:28:24] Oh, yeah.

[00:28:25] Dude, those rules.

[00:28:26] They're expensive, but they're worth it.

[00:28:28] Dude, it's so good.

[00:28:31] Damn.

[00:28:31] God, it's good.

[00:28:32] That's a good sales pitch right there for a sleep number.

[00:28:34] Yeah.

[00:28:35] I remember my number was like a 72.

[00:28:38] Yeah, what's your number?

[00:28:39] Like 35 to 40.

[00:28:41] Is that super soft?

[00:28:41] Damn, you like it fucking.

[00:28:42] It's not super soft.

[00:28:43] It's like mediocre.

[00:28:44] Well, zero would be the softest.

[00:28:45] 100 would be the firmest.

[00:28:46] So you can kind of gauge on that scale alone.

[00:28:48] I like it a little firmer.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] You know?

[00:28:51] But that's just me.

[00:28:53] I feel like the softer beds make my back hurt.

[00:28:55] Yeah.

[00:28:56] You know, because you kind of like.

[00:28:57] I can agree with that.

[00:28:57] You kind of get that.

[00:28:58] Well, it depends if you're like a side sleeper or a back sleeper.

[00:29:02] Which I am.

[00:29:02] I'm a side sleeper.

[00:29:03] Yeah, me too.

[00:29:04] Me too.

[00:29:04] If I sleep on my back, I snore.

[00:29:06] And there's a.

[00:29:07] But you're sleeping alone.

[00:29:09] So do your snores wake you up?

[00:29:10] Yeah, they wake me up.

[00:29:11] I'm like.

[00:29:12] Oh, shit.

[00:29:12] My snores wake me up too because it's usually Kelly waking me up.

[00:29:16] Well, you know why men snore.

[00:29:17] Same move.

[00:29:17] You know why we snore.

[00:29:18] Oh, God.

[00:29:20] It's because our balls cover our asshole and it creates vapor luck.

[00:29:23] Pressure.

[00:29:25] If you've known Kevin long enough.

[00:29:26] You've heard that.

[00:29:27] You've heard that dad joke at least once.

[00:29:29] A bunch of times.

[00:29:31] Come on, man.

[00:29:32] Come on.

[00:29:32] You got to give the listener something new on Christmas.

[00:29:35] I don't know if I've ever said that on here.

[00:29:36] Yeah, you have.

[00:29:37] I can't remember.

[00:29:37] Well, maybe not on here.

[00:29:38] We've recorded.

[00:29:39] This is like 280.

[00:29:40] Yeah, I know.

[00:29:41] We've done 280 of these fucking things.

[00:29:42] This is 280, Jamie.

[00:29:43] I know.

[00:29:43] So who's going to go back for 280 plus hours and see if you've said that joke?

[00:29:48] Somebody out there.

[00:29:49] Yeah.

[00:29:49] You'd be surprised with people.

[00:29:50] I think Discussion Combustion should give somebody $1,000 if they can go back and find that.

[00:29:56] Yeah.

[00:29:57] I'll do 100.

[00:29:59] I'll match that.

[00:30:00] I'll go 250.

[00:30:01] If someone listening to this right now can find when I've said that before any episode.

[00:30:04] And send you the exact frame and the exact time where you said that.

[00:30:09] You will have a lot of work to do.

[00:30:11] And if you do that, we will reward you.

[00:30:12] I could give you hints right now, but I'm not going to.

[00:30:16] Yeah, no.

[00:30:16] You don't want to.

[00:30:16] The only hint is it may have been recorded where this guy lives.

[00:30:20] That's the only hint that I'm going to say.

[00:30:22] Forget about the money.

[00:30:24] That narrows it down.

[00:30:25] A free t-shirt or a baseball cap.

[00:30:28] People do ridiculous things for a t-shirt.

[00:30:30] All right.

[00:30:30] We'll give away a DCPC t-shirt on top of it.

[00:30:33] 250 and a T?

[00:30:35] Yeah.

[00:30:35] Come on, man.

[00:30:36] If you can find the episode where you said that joke again.

[00:30:40] Dude, that's a lot of work.

[00:30:41] Yeah.

[00:30:41] You got to do some serious work to find that.

[00:30:44] Yeah.

[00:30:45] I'm pretty sure you've said it.

[00:30:46] I don't know if he said it now.

[00:30:48] So you guys had 280 shows?

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:50] This is episode 280 of Discussion Combustion.

[00:30:51] Right.

[00:30:51] So that's at least an hour, right?

[00:30:55] So that's 280 hours plus.

[00:30:57] Plus.

[00:30:58] It's weeks.

[00:30:59] Yeah.

[00:30:59] I know that when I've been on here, we've been an hour and a half.

[00:31:02] Some of them have gone two hours.

[00:31:03] Yeah.

[00:31:04] That's a lot of material.

[00:31:05] It is.

[00:31:05] So on that note, good luck.

[00:31:07] Good luck.

[00:31:07] Good luck to you.

[00:31:08] Good luck.

[00:31:08] That's going to take some work.

[00:31:09] That is going to.

[00:31:10] And I'll help you guys pay for that if, since it was my idea.

[00:31:13] Hey.

[00:31:13] Oh, no, no, no, no.

[00:31:14] I don't have any DCPC t-shirts, but.

[00:31:17] Dude, we should get you a fucking DCPC t-shirt.

[00:31:18] How do you not have a DCPC t-shirt?

[00:31:19] Dude, I have a cup that I use almost like week.

[00:31:22] And you have a lot of stickers.

[00:31:24] And I have a lot of stickers, which I put everywhere.

[00:31:26] That are stuck.

[00:31:26] Yeah.

[00:31:27] Stuck stickers.

[00:31:29] Stuck stickers.

[00:31:29] Yeah.

[00:31:29] It's a sticker that's stuck.

[00:31:31] It's not a fresh sticky.

[00:31:32] It's a stuck sticky.

[00:31:33] No, I have fresh ones in my truck.

[00:31:34] You got fresh stickies?

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:36] We don't even have fresh stickies.

[00:31:37] I forgot to order those.

[00:31:38] I bet you I still have a stack like this big.

[00:31:40] Here's where I go.

[00:31:40] We'll get them.

[00:31:44] So I'll tell a story.

[00:31:45] I don't know if I told him this.

[00:31:47] A couple weeks ago, people know what I do for my day job.

[00:31:49] I'm out and about in the market.

[00:31:50] It's 1 p.m.

[00:31:52] I'm pulling into an area in Aurora.

[00:31:54] I get a phone call from Jamie.

[00:31:54] I'm like, Jamie never calls me at 1 on a fucking Tuesday.

[00:31:57] Okay.

[00:31:57] I'm like, what's going on, bud?

[00:31:58] He's like, hey, what are you, too cool for me or something?

[00:32:01] I just fucking saw you in traffic with your stupid DCPC sticker on your car.

[00:32:05] I'm like, oh, where were you?

[00:32:07] I was literally right behind you.

[00:32:09] You did tell me about this.

[00:32:10] Okay.

[00:32:10] I can't remember who I've told and who I haven't.

[00:32:12] That's what happens when you talk to a lot of people.

[00:32:13] I was like honking, and Kevin, when he drives, he's just like.

[00:32:17] He's got the mean East Coast look, you know, like, fuck the rest of the world.

[00:32:20] I'm on a mission.

[00:32:21] This dude got a lot on his mind, man.

[00:32:23] I'm like, I'm busy.

[00:32:24] And he didn't even look.

[00:32:24] He's just like.

[00:32:25] He's like fucking dumbass honking over there.

[00:32:28] What the fuck is that?

[00:32:28] I probably had the tunes up loud, and I'm just like in my zone.

[00:32:31] Dude, when they make a Grumpy Men Part 2, you're going to be like the lead character.

[00:32:36] I could probably play it.

[00:32:37] I'm not as grumpy as I used to be.

[00:32:38] I've calmed down a lot at my older age, Jamie.

[00:32:40] You have, but I mean, you still have.

[00:32:42] I bet you I could fire you up in 30 seconds.

[00:32:44] You used to fire him.

[00:32:45] Yeah.

[00:32:46] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:32:47] I've gotten you fired up before, Jamie.

[00:32:48] Oh, dude.

[00:32:49] You remember that night?

[00:32:50] Dude, it doesn't take much to fire me up, though.

[00:32:52] I mean, it really does.

[00:32:53] No, you just got inebriated.

[00:32:55] That was the problem.

[00:32:57] You know how many times you and I have been into it, Jamie?

[00:32:59] Well, I mean, if we're going to...

[00:33:01] Dude, you and I have been into it like a thousand times.

[00:33:04] I mean, fucking hell.

[00:33:05] I mean, we've literally fought.

[00:33:07] I mean, when we've like...

[00:33:09] Yeah, and that ankle injury.

[00:33:10] God damn it, guys.

[00:33:11] When we...

[00:33:12] I felt no more of that, okay?

[00:33:13] I felt like a fucking asshole.

[00:33:14] I'm just remembering this shit, too.

[00:33:16] I started the whole thing.

[00:33:17] You guys are so stupid.

[00:33:18] No, you didn't.

[00:33:19] No, I started the whole thing.

[00:33:19] I started it.

[00:33:20] No, no.

[00:33:20] I started it because I was jealous because you were playing guitar with somebody else.

[00:33:24] So I started talking shit.

[00:33:26] I'm working through some shit.

[00:33:27] I know.

[00:33:27] No, and so I remember you were like...

[00:33:29] I was like, oh, what are you guys going to call yourselves?

[00:33:31] Thomas the Train.

[00:33:32] I was like sending all these text messages.

[00:33:34] Yeah, he was through the whole practice.

[00:33:35] Yeah, but I reacted to it.

[00:33:36] Yeah, that's beta, Jamie.

[00:33:37] I reacted to it, though.

[00:33:39] That's beta, too, Kev.

[00:33:40] I was beta.

[00:33:41] Oh, God.

[00:33:42] I fucking drive over to Jamie's house.

[00:33:43] So Kevin, yeah, comes to the house and just walks in.

[00:33:45] And I remember seeing the corner.

[00:33:47] And I was like, hey, Kevin.

[00:33:48] And he just starts leaning.

[00:33:50] He's like, listen here, motherfucker.

[00:33:52] That's Kevin's favorite fucking...

[00:33:53] It is.

[00:33:54] That's his go-thing.

[00:33:54] Listen here, motherfucker.

[00:33:57] And he does this hook pointing thing.

[00:33:59] And I was like, oh, hell no.

[00:34:00] You're not going to watch.

[00:34:01] And of course, I was drinking.

[00:34:02] And you were recouping from a major ankle injury.

[00:34:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:34:06] At this time.

[00:34:06] And felt brave or some shit.

[00:34:08] Like your ankle was healed, but it wasn't.

[00:34:10] What the fuck?

[00:34:10] I just got on my cast, I think.

[00:34:12] I think it was a walking.

[00:34:13] You were making major progress.

[00:34:17] And then we get into it.

[00:34:18] I don't think we threw any fists at each other.

[00:34:19] It was like a scuffle.

[00:34:20] I wasn't even there.

[00:34:21] I wasn't even there.

[00:34:22] No, we were on the ground.

[00:34:23] And we were on the first landing of the stairs.

[00:34:26] And the girls were yelling, stop!

[00:34:29] Oh, my God!

[00:34:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:34:31] And Jamie and I were over there.

[00:34:32] Fucking, look at your fucking ass.

[00:34:33] I'm a motherfucker.

[00:34:34] How dare you fucking call me and this other guy out for playing time?

[00:34:37] I'm not going to be Thomas the Train.

[00:34:39] And then I leave and Mike Cole walks up next.

[00:34:41] They're like, you fucking started this shit.

[00:34:43] It was a fucking bad night.

[00:34:45] It was a fucking bad night.

[00:34:45] So Kevin fucking leaves.

[00:34:47] Mike leaves.

[00:34:48] I wake up the next morning.

[00:34:49] My ankle's purple.

[00:34:50] Fuck.

[00:34:50] Fucked up again.

[00:34:51] And the first person that called me was Sam.

[00:34:54] And I was like.

[00:34:55] Jamie's daughter.

[00:34:56] She's like, what did you do?

[00:34:58] Yeah.

[00:34:58] She was not happy with me.

[00:35:01] God bless.

[00:35:02] But look at us now.

[00:35:03] I mean, these are good stories.

[00:35:04] This is real life.

[00:35:05] How many times have you and I been nose to nose?

[00:35:06] I mean, it just happens.

[00:35:08] I mean, that's family.

[00:35:08] I can't remember one time.

[00:35:09] We're not going to agree on everything.

[00:35:11] You came to my nose once.

[00:35:13] I've never went to your nose.

[00:35:15] And which is really odd.

[00:35:16] I'm not proud of that because I'm usually pretty passive.

[00:35:19] I don't like confrontation, but.

[00:35:22] Well, we were 10 feet tall and bulletproof then.

[00:35:24] Well, yeah.

[00:35:25] And I think we all had a bunch of different beliefs then.

[00:35:28] And I think we've all transitioned and matured.

[00:35:31] You like to troll people though, Jamie.

[00:35:35] Everyone likes being in control.

[00:35:36] No, he likes to troll.

[00:35:37] Oh, oh, troll.

[00:35:39] No, I listen.

[00:35:39] Yeah, you were all trolling my brother, getting them all upset that one time.

[00:35:42] Oh, and I told him, take your dog and.

[00:35:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:35:45] Yeah, Eric didn't like that.

[00:35:46] And you were like, gay.

[00:35:48] Gay.

[00:35:48] Well, yeah.

[00:35:49] But that's just the Jamie thing.

[00:35:50] But if you know Jamie, it's a harmless thing.

[00:35:52] I give that a thumbs up, dude.

[00:35:54] If my post doesn't get a Jamie gay on it, then I didn't do something right.

[00:35:57] Well, see, I don't really.

[00:35:59] I go on Facebook now for the reels because I like to video things.

[00:36:03] Very rarely do I go on Facebook anymore.

[00:36:06] And go through people's shit.

[00:36:07] Yeah, go through people's stuff because it's just.

[00:36:09] I remember that time you commented on a NASCAR thing with Jeff Gordon.

[00:36:12] You were like.

[00:36:12] Yeah, but dude, again, that was 10 years ago.

[00:36:13] It was, but the NASCAR community came at you hard.

[00:36:17] And, you know, that's before I really knew what Facebook was like.

[00:36:20] That's very reactive of that community.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:22] Hey, we're passionate.

[00:36:23] Like, I can't remember if I called it gay or whatever.

[00:36:26] You did.

[00:36:26] You said Jeff Gordon was gay.

[00:36:27] Yeah, Jeff Gordon was gay or something like that.

[00:36:29] Which we've been hearing ever.

[00:36:30] Oh, my God, dude.

[00:36:31] I've never got so much hate mail in my entire life.

[00:36:33] Yeah, Jamie used to.

[00:36:33] He used to patrol me all the time about NASCAR.

[00:36:36] He's like, oh, what are you doing?

[00:36:37] Just watching him drive around the circle.

[00:36:38] A bunch of hillbillies.

[00:36:39] Fucking gay sport.

[00:36:40] Yeah, I just did it to my buddy and his wife.

[00:36:42] They did, like, my buddy got a tattoo right here in his hand.

[00:36:47] And it's just the Harley symbol.

[00:36:48] It doesn't mean anything.

[00:36:49] You know, just the Harley symbol.

[00:36:50] A dear friend of mine.

[00:36:51] And he put that picture.

[00:36:53] And, again, I saw it and I was like, okay.

[00:36:56] Did he react?

[00:36:57] Yeah.

[00:36:58] You know, and his wife was like, you know, they give, like, the happy, smiley laugh.

[00:37:02] Because, again, everybody just knows my comment.

[00:37:05] Yeah, you'd have to know.

[00:37:06] You're not trying to hurt.

[00:37:07] But Sam's best friend, Kumar or Kal-El or whatever his name is.

[00:37:12] He is gay.

[00:37:14] And that's okay.

[00:37:15] Yeah, he's a gay guy.

[00:37:16] Yeah, but he's cool.

[00:37:17] Yeah, he's like one of the sweetest guys I've ever met in my entire life.

[00:37:21] And he did something years back, you know, when him and Sam were in high school.

[00:37:26] And I said gay.

[00:37:27] And his whole family got on Facebook and just, like, read.

[00:37:31] And he literally got on Facebook and goes, listen, it's Jamie.

[00:37:35] It's just what he says.

[00:37:36] I mean, there is no offense there whatsoever.

[00:37:38] I bet you didn't do that again.

[00:37:40] No, I still do it.

[00:37:42] Well, that's good.

[00:37:43] At least didn't.

[00:37:43] And for the record, he was at episode 200 when we did it live.

[00:37:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:37:47] He came and supported the show.

[00:37:49] Yeah, dude, and you fucking engineered that bad boy.

[00:37:51] That was a wild night.

[00:37:52] That was a crazy night.

[00:37:53] Did I?

[00:37:54] You ran the board that night.

[00:37:56] You ran the board.

[00:37:56] For our live event.

[00:37:57] Remember?

[00:37:58] Jamie.

[00:37:58] Yeah, but I didn't know Kumar was there.

[00:38:00] He was there with Sam.

[00:38:01] Oh, yeah.

[00:38:04] Yeah, he was there with Sam.

[00:38:06] You were busy that night, though.

[00:38:08] You were running the board.

[00:38:08] Oh, yeah, man.

[00:38:09] You had responsibilities.

[00:38:11] And you did a fantastic job.

[00:38:12] Dude, there was a lot.

[00:38:13] I know, and I was sober.

[00:38:14] I was probably shaking.

[00:38:15] There was a lot going on.

[00:38:15] There was a lot we had to navigate through that night.

[00:38:17] Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:18] We got tested big time.

[00:38:19] Yeah, this is like doing what we're doing now is way easier.

[00:38:20] That was the night that your guy's friend got like.

[00:38:22] Her album's right there.

[00:38:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:24] Yeah.

[00:38:24] Okay, yeah.

[00:38:25] You guys are absolutely right.

[00:38:26] Yeah, I remember.

[00:38:26] Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:27] No, we got all squared away, and we made it through that night.

[00:38:29] Remember, we had like a Merrill candidate come up.

[00:38:31] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:32] Episode 200 was cool, man.

[00:38:33] That was cool we were able to do that.

[00:38:34] But yeah, for folks.

[00:38:35] I think you guys have done a lot of cool stuff.

[00:38:37] I don't think you guys give yourself a lot of credit for what.

[00:38:40] Because we're just in it, dude.

[00:38:41] We don't understand what we're doing.

[00:38:42] We're just doing it.

[00:38:43] I know, but somebody outside looking in, you know, is like, wow, you know.

[00:38:47] I mean, you guys are doing well enough to keep doing it.

[00:38:50] Well, we love it.

[00:38:51] It's fun.

[00:38:52] It's like playing music.

[00:38:53] We love the Ridge Runners, but we just – the timing of it wasn't right.

[00:38:58] We were – the Ridge Runner thing, we were too early.

[00:39:02] I think.

[00:39:03] Or we were either too early or too late because you look at a lot of stuff that's going on right now.

[00:39:07] Music seems to be a good place.

[00:39:08] It's basically the same thing we were trying to do.

[00:39:10] Right, right.

[00:39:11] And the Ridge Runner stuff is still out there, and a lot of people do interact with it, and they like what we did.

[00:39:15] Yeah, no, if you would have kept it going, it wouldn't have been too early, too late, you know.

[00:39:20] Well, that was at a time where this was starting.

[00:39:21] And it's also hard to keep everybody else organized because when you're doing a band, as I've learned, like, there's a lot of moving pieces in there.

[00:39:27] And to keep everybody on the same page and motivated.

[00:39:29] Again, you've got to be very committed, and you've got to be very disciplined, and you've got to have the right people, and you've got to have the right understanding.

[00:39:37] And I've said this a lot.

[00:39:38] I don't care if you've got a four-piece band or a six-piece band.

[00:39:40] You've got to get all those characters.

[00:39:43] Schedules aligned.

[00:39:44] People've got girlfriends and kids.

[00:39:45] Right.

[00:39:46] Well, other than that, you've just got to get all the egos.

[00:39:49] You've got to get all the mindset.

[00:39:51] You've got to get all that stuff on the same page.

[00:39:56] That's their fault.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:56] It is.

[00:39:57] And you've got to keep the creative process going.

[00:40:00] And Kevin and I, I mean, we love each other.

[00:40:02] I mean, we're all brothers here.

[00:40:04] How many times at band practice where we would have, like, a 30-second spout, you know?

[00:40:08] Where we'd just yell at each other.

[00:40:09] Yeah, you know, because Kevin wanted to keep things true, and I didn't want to change tunings.

[00:40:14] And little things like that would just set you off because you feel like you work so hard, and you take it personally.

[00:40:19] Yeah, because we're pouring our heart and soul into it.

[00:40:21] Yeah, you put so much, so you start taking it personally.

[00:40:24] And then when somebody questions that thing you're trying to do, it's offensive.

[00:40:30] And it's tough.

[00:40:31] Yeah, it is.

[00:40:32] It's really tough to make a band work.

[00:40:33] It's really tough.

[00:40:34] I remember when we were writing, what song was it?

[00:40:37] One of the songs we were working on that I don't think we ever finished.

[00:40:39] And I was using a capo.

[00:40:41] And you fucking hate capos.

[00:40:42] Oh, I hate capos.

[00:40:43] He absolutely hates capos.

[00:40:44] Because I have to, like, think what I'm doing and have to transpose everything and this and that.

[00:40:47] He's like, just take that fucking capo off and let's play it in goddamn E flat.

[00:40:51] I'm like, no, Jamie, it sounds cool and F.

[00:40:52] It's not the way it was written.

[00:40:53] I'm like, ah, fuck.

[00:40:55] You know, right now my fucking hair and my arms stand up because it just doesn't make fucking sense.

[00:41:00] It made sense to him.

[00:41:02] Yeah, I'd show up with these capo songs and he fucking hated it.

[00:41:05] But again, he was the one that would present the song to the band.

[00:41:09] And he would spend all weekend learning it and bring it back.

[00:41:12] And we're like, oh, well, just do it like this.

[00:41:13] And he's like, no.

[00:41:16] Because I spent all weekend fucking doing it like this.

[00:41:19] Yeah, no, Kevin and I have had some creative differences in this project too.

[00:41:22] You can imagine.

[00:41:23] And it's always been interesting because with this one, like, look, with the band, there's four of you.

[00:41:27] So there's like a vote that you can do.

[00:41:29] But with us, if we're not on the same page, then it's just a fucking no-go.

[00:41:32] Oh, yeah.

[00:41:33] You know?

[00:41:33] There's got to be some good stories where the two of you have just been like.

[00:41:36] There's been times where I wanted to take one direction.

[00:41:39] He wanted to do something else.

[00:41:40] And we were like not agreeing on it.

[00:41:42] And then we're talking long discussions about this shit.

[00:41:45] Well, we always find a solution.

[00:41:46] Getting it figured out.

[00:41:47] Yeah.

[00:41:47] We've never really – Art and I really never butted heads that significantly during this project.

[00:41:53] You know?

[00:41:54] We get at each other a little bit and then we move past it.

[00:41:56] I mean there's times where we have to like stand up to each other.

[00:41:58] Oh, yeah.

[00:41:59] Where it's like I'm not going to let your opinion roll over mine right now.

[00:42:03] Right.

[00:42:03] And then we're both like discussing our opinions intentively like – but that's done respectfully.

[00:42:09] And honestly, we're blessed for that because you only really get those type of layers of a relationship when you've cultivated a years-long relationship.

[00:42:19] It's true.

[00:42:19] Decades-long relationship.

[00:42:21] It takes work.

[00:42:22] You know?

[00:42:22] So that's why you and Jamie have got into it.

[00:42:24] That's why Jamie and I have got into it.

[00:42:25] You know?

[00:42:26] And like you should have some serious conversations with your friends that test the relationship.

[00:42:31] But you should be there for each other even if you don't agree.

[00:42:35] Because if you've got people that were there for you and you show up on a Saturday to record the Christmas special with us, you know, you're here, Jamie.

[00:42:42] And you've always been there for us.

[00:42:43] Well, yeah.

[00:42:43] You've always been a good friend, man.

[00:42:45] Great friendships aren't people that sit there and fucking suck each other's ass cheek.

[00:42:49] I mean great friends are like people that are going to sit there and look at you in the eye and go, you're a fucking idiot.

[00:42:54] Yeah.

[00:42:55] You know?

[00:42:56] It's true.

[00:42:57] When that argument's all over with, you know, you fucking cry a few tears, you fucking suck it up, you know, you get in a wrestling match, whatever.

[00:43:03] And a day later, an hour later, whatever it is, you know, you're right back on, I'm sorry, man.

[00:43:08] I was dumb.

[00:43:09] That was fucking stupid.

[00:43:10] Yeah.

[00:43:10] And I think men are much better at that.

[00:43:13] Oh, absolutely.

[00:43:13] Than women.

[00:43:14] I think women are just, they hold grudges for a long period of time.

[00:43:17] Whereas men were like, okay, you know, let's move on.

[00:43:20] Let's find a solution.

[00:43:21] Yeah, I have no doubt that the three of us could go out and have like a total WWE fucking match right now and just like beat the piss out of each other.

[00:43:30] And an hour later, we'd be crying and she's on our shoulders and going, man, I'm sorry.

[00:43:34] Yeah.

[00:43:35] I've known guys that they didn't know each other at all.

[00:43:38] And then they fought each other over some stupid reason.

[00:43:41] And then became friends.

[00:43:41] And became best friends.

[00:43:42] Well, look at the Matt Borman story.

[00:43:44] Yeah, I mean.

[00:43:45] I don't know if I ever told that one on air.

[00:43:47] We're going to have to give another reward.

[00:43:50] Oh, no.

[00:43:50] Eric, the New Year story?

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:54] Fucking Arthur was the first one to call me fucking upsell.

[00:43:56] Yeah.

[00:43:56] Going, what the fuck happened?

[00:43:58] He knows all about that.

[00:43:59] You don't remember this?

[00:44:00] I thought he was going to come over and kick my ass because he thought I had.

[00:44:02] I was like, listen, bud.

[00:44:03] No, Arthur's had my back since day one.

[00:44:05] Yeah.

[00:44:05] I mean, that had nothing to do it.

[00:44:06] Yeah, Arthur knows all about that fucking story.

[00:44:08] Well, you were one of the first people I called.

[00:44:10] So, Matt Borman, RIP.

[00:44:11] He's one of the greatest friends I ever had.

[00:44:14] I'm trying to remember what year it was.

[00:44:15] I think it was 2010 into 2011 or 11 into 12.

[00:44:18] It was one of those New Years.

[00:44:20] I'll just say 2012.

[00:44:22] We always were partying at your old place where we all got together, and Borman and I started

[00:44:27] getting at each other.

[00:44:28] We didn't know each other that well.

[00:44:29] We were kind of testing the waters, you know, because I know he was a friend of a friend,

[00:44:33] and I was like, who is this guy?

[00:44:34] He's trying to talk shit.

[00:44:35] And then we got into it, and I remember looking away, and I got punched, blasted in the face.

[00:44:40] Completely blasted in the face.

[00:44:41] Bleeding on your carpet.

[00:44:42] Teeth got all fucked up.

[00:44:43] They're still fucked up to this day.

[00:44:45] And, yeah, that's what happened.

[00:44:47] You kicked him out.

[00:44:48] You're like, get the fuck out.

[00:44:49] You're out of here.

[00:44:50] You know?

[00:44:51] Yeah, but again, I thought it was like a...

[00:44:54] Wasn't it over fucking sports?

[00:44:57] No, it wasn't over sports.

[00:44:58] I thought it was just like a, you know, two guys, obviously.

[00:45:02] We were testing each other.

[00:45:03] Well, and again, you know, there was never...

[00:45:05] I mean, back then, there was...

[00:45:07] The only time you're sober is when you're sleeping, if you're sober, you know?

[00:45:10] And if you sleep.

[00:45:11] Yeah, and if you sleep.

[00:45:13] So, it was supposed to be like a, you know, a slap box or something.

[00:45:17] Oh, oh.

[00:45:18] That's what I thought.

[00:45:18] And it got carried away.

[00:45:19] It got carried away.

[00:45:20] Yeah, we were all...

[00:45:20] I mean, literally, I was in the background going, ha, ha, ha, look at these two idiots,

[00:45:25] and all of a sudden, Kevin falls down.

[00:45:26] I didn't see a fist.

[00:45:28] I didn't see anything.

[00:45:29] Kevin falls down, and then, yeah, I mean, he's bleeding out of his mouth, you know?

[00:45:32] I mean, I left that apartment with the stain on the carpet, you know?

[00:45:36] So, I'm like, Matt, what the fuck are you doing?

[00:45:38] Nobody knew Matt real well then.

[00:45:40] I think it was a week or two.

[00:45:41] I mean, I did.

[00:45:42] Well, yeah, you did.

[00:45:43] You guys grew up with him.

[00:45:43] But then I was like, Matt, you know, you got to get the fuck out.

[00:45:46] Look, RIP, but he was a wily cat.

[00:45:47] He was wild.

[00:45:48] He wanted to have fun.

[00:45:49] He wanted to make noise, and he had a big energy.

[00:45:53] And he would always want to fight people, too.

[00:45:56] Like, even before you met him, Kevin, and all this other shit, like all the things we did back in the day.

[00:46:00] And he could scrap.

[00:46:00] He would always want to.

[00:46:02] I thought it was just a slap boxing thing.

[00:46:05] I mean, there wasn't even a debate.

[00:46:08] Again, we were drunk.

[00:46:10] We were.

[00:46:10] You know?

[00:46:11] We were.

[00:46:12] I just remember getting it.

[00:46:13] I'm not blaming him.

[00:46:13] Not blaming him.

[00:46:14] But, yes, you're absolutely right.

[00:46:16] We figured out who Matt was after that evening.

[00:46:18] Well, yeah, but so.

[00:46:19] But, again, we didn't judge him after that.

[00:46:21] I mean, it was over.

[00:46:22] But he was one of the most loyal people.

[00:46:23] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:24] That's what I was going to say.

[00:46:25] So when the story goes further.

[00:46:26] And he just wanted to fit in, and we would fucking just fuck with him, and fuck with him, and fuck with him.

[00:46:30] He just wanted to be part of the club.

[00:46:31] Yeah.

[00:46:31] He wanted everyone to love him.

[00:46:32] And so, you know, I remember getting up off the floor.

[00:46:34] I tried to go after him.

[00:46:35] I was being held back by whoever was there.

[00:46:37] And you kicked him out.

[00:46:38] So the next day, you know, Arthur's like, what the fuck is going on?

[00:46:41] Yeah, you called me, and you're like, woke me up.

[00:46:43] I'm like.

[00:46:43] It was your place.

[00:46:44] I know.

[00:46:44] You were like, what the fuck's going on?

[00:46:45] Like, you're in control.

[00:46:46] What are you allowing to happen?

[00:46:48] I didn't know anything.

[00:46:49] I didn't even know it was that serious.

[00:46:51] I remember telling Kevin, I was like, oh, dude, you'll be all right, dude.

[00:46:53] It's just like a barroom brawl.

[00:46:55] You'll be fine.

[00:46:56] I didn't know he had to go and get his jaw relocated and teeth spit.

[00:46:59] Dude's like spending money at the dentist and shit.

[00:47:01] Yeah, I didn't know.

[00:47:01] I didn't even know it was that bad.

[00:47:02] I mean.

[00:47:03] Yeah, but here's the thing.

[00:47:04] We were all like, that was a period in our lives where we were all just like constantly hammered.

[00:47:11] I don't remember.

[00:47:11] A little foggy.

[00:47:12] Completely.

[00:47:12] I mean, if you and I were like watching the fight now, you can literally hear punches in a face.

[00:47:19] I mean, it's a sound.

[00:47:21] I don't remember hearing that sound.

[00:47:23] Yeah.

[00:47:24] So, Boardman hit you with one hell of a slap.

[00:47:27] Yeah.

[00:47:27] He got me good, obviously.

[00:47:29] I mean, teeth came out.

[00:47:30] Wait, do you feel like he open-handed that and fucked your teeth up with that?

[00:47:33] Or was it a bald fist?

[00:47:34] I think it was a close fist.

[00:47:35] You think so?

[00:47:36] From what I remember.

[00:47:36] I just remember looking away.

[00:47:37] I mean, he's got teeth that are fucked up.

[00:47:39] His jaw is fucked up.

[00:47:40] Yeah, how are you going to do that slapping?

[00:47:41] Yeah.

[00:47:42] So, the story goes further.

[00:47:43] So, you know, Matt finds out that I need medical attention and he came over to my house and

[00:47:48] he handed me a thousand bucks and he said, I hope this covers it.

[00:47:51] But again, we go back to that.

[00:47:53] Most people would never do that.

[00:47:54] And then we became great friends.

[00:47:55] That's what guys did.

[00:47:56] Yeah.

[00:47:57] You and Matt were like inseparable.

[00:47:58] We got really, really close.

[00:48:00] We would go to NASCAR races together.

[00:48:02] He helped me fix my truck with his money.

[00:48:04] Yeah.

[00:48:04] You guys would jump fucking roundabouts.

[00:48:06] Yeah.

[00:48:06] I mean.

[00:48:07] We were crazy, crazy.

[00:48:08] I partied hard.

[00:48:09] Yeah, you two were best friends for a while.

[00:48:11] You guys were like Bonnie and Clyde.

[00:48:13] Yeah.

[00:48:13] He would always crash my couch or whatever.

[00:48:15] And yeah, we became great buddies after that.

[00:48:17] So, you know, piggybacking off the guy story.

[00:48:19] Yeah.

[00:48:20] He beat the shit out of me and then we became bros.

[00:48:22] Boardman never fucking saw DCPC, man.

[00:48:25] I know.

[00:48:25] It didn't exist yet.

[00:48:26] I know.

[00:48:26] He would have fucking loved this.

[00:48:28] He would have been the biggest supporter.

[00:48:30] Yes.

[00:48:30] To our boy, Boardman.

[00:48:32] Boardman.

[00:48:32] Cheers.

[00:48:33] He was a great man.

[00:48:34] We are honored to have his stuff recorded though.

[00:48:36] I have his voice.

[00:48:37] I have his laugh.

[00:48:39] We have that song I wrote with him.

[00:48:40] Yeah.

[00:48:40] We have all that stuff.

[00:48:42] That was a sad song.

[00:48:42] It is very sad.

[00:48:43] It's a sad song.

[00:48:44] We can't access it right now because the computer, but we have it on the hard drive.

[00:48:46] I have it on my phone.

[00:48:47] Yeah.

[00:48:48] So, yeah.

[00:48:48] I mean, but I mean, we have like, you know, all that stuff.

[00:48:52] Yeah.

[00:48:53] From everybody in that era, which thank God we had that recording stuff.

[00:48:57] We recorded everything.

[00:48:57] Yeah, we recorded everything.

[00:48:58] We should have started the podcast then.

[00:48:59] Yeah.

[00:49:00] I mean.

[00:49:00] Who would have knew?

[00:49:01] Who knew?

[00:49:01] No.

[00:49:02] No.

[00:49:02] But remember we would try to do like goofy shit.

[00:49:04] We would start recording.

[00:49:05] Yeah, we would start like a, it was like a newscast.

[00:49:07] Remember?

[00:49:08] We do like commercials.

[00:49:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:49:08] And I told him.

[00:49:09] We had an idea, but again, it was just drunken ideas.

[00:49:12] You know, it was just.

[00:49:13] Just having fun.

[00:49:14] Got a little drunk last night.

[00:49:15] We were farting in the mic.

[00:49:16] Having fun.

[00:49:18] Dude, do you know like 10 years after you found that song and it became popular?

[00:49:22] Yes.

[00:49:24] I always find.

[00:49:24] It's crazy to me.

[00:49:25] I always find these gems that end up blowing up.

[00:49:27] Yeah.

[00:49:27] I mean, pretty much every artist I follow.

[00:49:29] I remember hearing that song like 10 years after.

[00:49:31] I was like.

[00:49:32] It finally blew up.

[00:49:32] Yeah, we were listening to this song like a long time ago.

[00:49:34] And you and Mark were making fun of it.

[00:49:35] That's because it's like every, every song back then started.

[00:49:39] Right.

[00:49:39] I got a little drunk last night.

[00:49:41] I mean, that was every song.

[00:49:42] That was country in the 20 teens.

[00:49:44] Country music was, it was all the same.

[00:49:46] You know, mud on the tires.

[00:49:47] Yeah.

[00:49:48] You know.

[00:49:48] Got a little mud on the tires.

[00:49:49] Yeah.

[00:49:50] It's all the same shit.

[00:49:51] Yeah.

[00:49:51] You know.

[00:49:52] Taking her to dance tonight.

[00:49:53] Yeah.

[00:49:54] Yeah.

[00:49:54] It was all the same shit.

[00:49:55] You know.

[00:49:55] Country music's in a better place now, I think, with guys like Cody Jenks and Warren Ziders.

[00:49:58] I know I send you a lot of stuff.

[00:50:00] You know, when I find something cool, I'm like, oh, Jamie's got to hear this.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:03] Between you and my buddy Jason.

[00:50:04] And then you don't respond and upset me.

[00:50:05] He's like a hardcore death metal guy.

[00:50:06] And Kevin's like a country western guy.

[00:50:08] I can't keep up.

[00:50:09] It's like, it's like, bling, bling, bling, you know.

[00:50:12] At least you know I'm thinking of you, buddy.

[00:50:14] What's that?

[00:50:14] At least you know I'm thinking of you.

[00:50:15] Yeah.

[00:50:15] Yeah.

[00:50:16] I know.

[00:50:16] But that's being a music fan, you know.

[00:50:19] And there's just some stuff out there that, again, you're going to discover something

[00:50:25] that's going to be huge.

[00:50:25] Well, I already know which way Jamie's going to go on the Would You Rather from a few weeks

[00:50:28] ago.

[00:50:29] Would you rather give up music or TV and film?

[00:50:32] Oh, that's a dumb question.

[00:50:33] Yeah.

[00:50:34] I already knew where you were going to go with it.

[00:50:35] Yeah.

[00:50:36] We've had people.

[00:50:36] Yeah.

[00:50:36] You're giving up music, obviously.

[00:50:38] He's like, huh?

[00:50:39] Dude, I don't watch TV and film now.

[00:50:42] I don't either.

[00:50:42] For sure.

[00:50:43] Music, like, dude, you could watch.

[00:50:44] But you just finished Yellowstone.

[00:50:46] Yeah.

[00:50:46] I know.

[00:50:47] I'm all about Yellowstone.

[00:50:48] Yeah.

[00:50:48] Yeah.

[00:50:49] He is, too.

[00:50:50] And, dude, I don't even want to get on Yellowstone because I've never been so disappointed in

[00:50:53] the last show in my entire life.

[00:50:55] But we can talk Yellowstone.

[00:50:57] But you can literally walk in my house and any afternoon, remember I told you, it was

[00:51:01] like a guy just wants to come home and spend an hour.

[00:51:05] What album do you think I'm listening to?

[00:51:06] Book of Shadows.

[00:51:07] Yes.

[00:51:08] It still plays every day in my house.

[00:51:11] That's amazing.

[00:51:12] That's cool.

[00:51:12] And you still don't get sick of it.

[00:51:13] No.

[00:51:14] It's one of the greatest albums ever written.

[00:51:15] I mean, I literally put Zach Wilde's Book of Shadows, the first one.

[00:51:20] 1996.

[00:51:20] On every day.

[00:51:21] I may not listen to the entire album, but until I come home and I have my...

[00:51:25] For how many years?

[00:51:26] Oh, fuck.

[00:51:27] Since I've known it.

[00:51:28] Since the album came out?

[00:51:30] No.

[00:51:31] Because I got to be honest, I wasn't a Zach Wilde fan when he first came out.

[00:51:34] I became a Zach Wilde fan when he was playing with Ozzy.

[00:51:37] And then I started reaching...

[00:51:38] I think the Book of Shadows came out in 94 or 94.

[00:51:41] That sounds...

[00:51:42] Yeah, some around there.

[00:51:42] Yeah, 93.

[00:51:43] But anyway...

[00:51:44] But yeah, I mean, ever since I've known...

[00:51:48] All of us.

[00:51:48] Kevin, you...

[00:51:49] I mean, that album was probably five, six years old then.

[00:51:53] Well, you've got the Zach Wilde tattooed on you, don't you?

[00:51:55] Isn't that the bullseye?

[00:51:56] Oh, yeah, the bullseye.

[00:51:57] Yeah.

[00:51:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:51:58] But yeah, I mean, I've just...

[00:52:00] You know, it's just...

[00:52:02] It's my soundtrack of every day.

[00:52:06] How are you looking on your pour over there, Jamie?

[00:52:08] I don't know if I...

[00:52:10] It's so tough to pick one album that I would like...

[00:52:13] God, if I had to pick one record...

[00:52:15] It would have to be Dierks Bentley's first album.

[00:52:17] His self-titled album.

[00:52:18] If I had to pick one.

[00:52:20] Not his newer shit.

[00:52:21] His first record that came out.

[00:52:22] I have to admit, every time I hear Dierks...

[00:52:24] And I didn't even think of Dierks Bentley until I met you.

[00:52:27] Yeah, but I got you into him.

[00:52:28] He writes great music.

[00:52:30] Yeah.

[00:52:30] His older stuff's way better.

[00:52:32] Sorry, Dierks.

[00:52:32] I love you.

[00:52:33] And we're sorry to your tour manager.

[00:52:35] I don't know what happened to him lately.

[00:52:37] I don't know what he's doing lately.

[00:52:38] I mean, he's an icon in country music now because he's been around.

[00:52:41] But I honestly think his later stuff kind of fell off.

[00:52:45] But I can say the same thing about Zach Wilde.

[00:52:46] You take some of his heavier albums, the last three albums...

[00:52:50] Well, here's the thing.

[00:52:51] I can't even list to a whole Zach Black Label stuff.

[00:52:54] There's good shit on there, though.

[00:52:55] Is artists will be artists and fans will be fans.

[00:52:59] And fans like a specific part of that artist's career.

[00:53:04] So the artist is doing their passion the whole time.

[00:53:07] And, you know, what people like, they like.

[00:53:10] And so that's kind of how I think about it all.

[00:53:15] I think the thought process to that, though, is like you go to Dierks Bentley, you go to

[00:53:20] Zach Wilde, and it's all the same kind of era.

[00:53:22] But I don't know much about Dierks Bentley, but Zach Wilde got sober.

[00:53:27] I mean...

[00:53:27] Well, Dierks did too.

[00:53:28] Yeah.

[00:53:29] I feel once Zach Wilde got sober, I'm not saying that he shouldn't have got sober, but

[00:53:34] I think his music...

[00:53:36] I think that the spark and the flame...

[00:53:39] I mean, he's a great guitar player.

[00:53:41] You know what he's...

[00:53:41] But the way he writes music, it just became stagnant.

[00:53:45] Can't...

[00:53:46] Well, you've got to remember the 1919 Eternal album, which I think was one of the heaviest.

[00:53:50] Like, Berserkers?

[00:53:51] I mean, Smoke and Trip and Drink and...

[00:53:54] Yeah.

[00:53:54] Oh, that's one of your favorite songs.

[00:53:55] It's heavy.

[00:53:56] You love it.

[00:53:57] It's in your face.

[00:53:57] I mean, it's kind of dirty and dark, too.

[00:53:59] Berserkers.

[00:53:59] Well, yeah, you take that album, you take the...

[00:54:05] Shot to Hell?

[00:54:06] Yeah, Shot to Hell.

[00:54:08] I mean, yeah, you take all that older stuff, you know, in the early 2000s, and yeah, it

[00:54:13] was incredible.

[00:54:14] But you take the stuff from, like...

[00:54:18] Now you're making me think of yours, but I mean...

[00:54:21] In my opinion, I'm still...

[00:54:22] Zach Wilde is still my guitar hero.

[00:54:24] Yeah, yeah.

[00:54:25] But the albums that he's put on Black Label Society...

[00:54:28] Even his, like, Book of Shadows number two...

[00:54:30] It was decent.

[00:54:31] Yeah.

[00:54:31] I mean, I think he was...

[00:54:33] I mean, it's like the Mellor stuff he put up, but I still don't think it had the same...

[00:54:38] You could say the same about Metallica, though, right?

[00:54:40] Everyone...

[00:54:40] Well, yeah.

[00:54:40] I mean, yeah, absolutely.

[00:54:42] Everyone loves Kill Them All, Ride the Lightning.

[00:54:44] Everything...

[00:54:44] Everybody loves everything from Metallica up until the Black Album, and then it falls off,

[00:54:48] if you're an old fan.

[00:54:49] But from the Black Album, again, they've made as many fans as fans falling off.

[00:54:55] Absolutely.

[00:54:56] That's what makes Metallica great.

[00:54:57] And they're...

[00:54:57] Yeah, they're just...

[00:54:58] They're tremendous musicians.

[00:55:00] I mean, everyone hates Lars for the Napster thing, whatever.

[00:55:02] Yeah.

[00:55:02] I mean, he was just trying to get his...

[00:55:04] He was trying to protect the rights to music.

[00:55:06] You know?

[00:55:06] I mean...

[00:55:06] And that was a new realm at that time.

[00:55:09] Like, how do you navigate that?

[00:55:10] I'm not gonna dog the guy for that.

[00:55:11] I mean, he created this stuff...

[00:55:13] People probably don't even know what the fuck Napster is anymore.

[00:55:15] We're old.

[00:55:15] Yeah.

[00:55:16] Well, yeah.

[00:55:16] I mean, isn't even a thing anymore?

[00:55:18] No, dude.

[00:55:18] It's not a thing.

[00:55:18] People don't even know what that is.

[00:55:19] They're like, Napster, what?

[00:55:20] It had the coolest fox-looking envelope I've ever seen.

[00:55:23] I can admit, when Napster was, like, right at its peak, I stole so much music.

[00:55:27] We all did.

[00:55:28] I downloaded so much stuff and recorded it on blank CDs and...

[00:55:31] You'd get your Sharpie out and write the shit on there.

[00:55:33] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:55:33] I thought it was, like, the greatest thing ever.

[00:55:35] So, that's why Lars...

[00:55:36] It wasn't just Lars.

[00:55:38] No, but he kind of pioneered it.

[00:55:38] Lars may, like, forefront of, like, the movement.

[00:55:41] I mean, there was a lot of bands.

[00:55:43] I mean, that's their well-being.

[00:55:44] That's their job.

[00:55:45] Well, I know Steven Tyler was pretty vocal about it as well.

[00:55:47] Yeah, I mean, nobody likes to, like, you know, put their heart and soul out there and,

[00:55:50] like, you know, and put all this money into something and not get paid.

[00:55:54] I mean, this is why people do stuff.

[00:55:55] I totally understand it.

[00:55:56] I mean, you do what you love and you want to get paid for.

[00:55:58] I mean, that's why you guys do the podcast.

[00:55:59] That's why everybody does what they do.

[00:56:02] You know, we've got to make a living.

[00:56:03] But you do it because you love it, too.

[00:56:04] Yeah.

[00:56:05] Because life is not about money.

[00:56:06] No.

[00:56:07] I mean, it's important.

[00:56:09] We need to have it.

[00:56:10] But if you can sustain and enjoy, that's the biggest thing.

[00:56:15] Yeah, but, I mean, if you and Kevin, you have discussion combustion, if this just took off

[00:56:21] and people were just, like, downloading all your guys' episodes without you guys knowing it

[00:56:27] and putting it on their forums and you guys weren't getting paid.

[00:56:31] I mean, it's insulting.

[00:56:33] You know, it's like, it's an art show.

[00:56:33] Oh, like people making money off of our clips.

[00:56:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:56:36] And a lot of people do that.

[00:56:38] Yeah.

[00:56:39] It could be just, and they wouldn't even know what they're doing.

[00:56:41] Let's say a guy like me is like, oh, I really like this podcast, so I'm going to share it.

[00:56:45] So 10 million people look at my share and then all of a sudden, if you're on YouTube,

[00:56:50] you start making money on it.

[00:56:52] Like, wow.

[00:56:53] All I got to do is, like, wait another year for another 12 episodes or 52 episodes or whatever.

[00:57:01] You know, and I'm just going to put it on my forum.

[00:57:03] And that happens every day.

[00:57:04] People ripping off content, making their own clip videos, you know.

[00:57:07] Not saying you guys wouldn't love that.

[00:57:09] Yeah.

[00:57:09] Spread it out.

[00:57:10] But you're going to make 25 cents.

[00:57:12] I'm going to make 75 cents.

[00:57:13] Yeah.

[00:57:14] Getting undercut.

[00:57:14] Yeah.

[00:57:15] Yeah.

[00:57:15] And there's a lot.

[00:57:16] How do you control that, though?

[00:57:17] I mean, you can't.

[00:57:18] There's nothing to do.

[00:57:19] Nowadays, it's really hard with digital and.

[00:57:20] And the AI shit.

[00:57:21] Yeah.

[00:57:21] I mean.

[00:57:22] It's really hard.

[00:57:23] It's getting rowdy.

[00:57:24] I can understand where Lars was going with that.

[00:57:27] Yeah.

[00:57:27] You know.

[00:57:29] Yeah.

[00:57:29] I think he's earned a lot of the people's respect back, though.

[00:57:33] Like, St. Anger came out.

[00:57:34] We all know how that record went.

[00:57:36] That was James Hetfield's first sober album, right?

[00:57:38] After coming off Parting His Ass Off in the 90s.

[00:57:41] He writes this sober album.

[00:57:42] People think it's a joke.

[00:57:43] I mean, Lars sounds like he's beating on a fucking trash can on his drums on that record.

[00:57:47] Right?

[00:57:47] And so they lost a lot of credibility with their fans with that record.

[00:57:50] People were, like, burning it in the street and shit.

[00:57:52] Damn.

[00:57:52] That was not good PR for Metallica in 2003.

[00:57:54] Yeah, but there's people that love that album.

[00:57:56] Well, again.

[00:57:57] Again, you can take as many people that have burned the album, they gained people.

[00:58:02] I mean, Metallica's not even a band anymore.

[00:58:04] It's a corporation.

[00:58:05] It is.

[00:58:06] I mean, they can, Metallica can, like, show up and go, you know, I don't like to yell that color yellow.

[00:58:13] And they're going to make a million bucks.

[00:58:15] Yeah.

[00:58:15] Pretty much.

[00:58:16] They put the iconic M on it and marketed that.

[00:58:19] They marketed it brilliantly at the end of the time.

[00:58:21] Think about it.

[00:58:22] They kind of changed the way merchandise was sold at shows in the 80s.

[00:58:25] People would wear the Kill Em All shirt, and they loved it.

[00:58:28] You know, they created a lot of this.

[00:58:29] Yeah, I literally think Metallica's, like, the biggest music act in the world.

[00:58:34] I mean, I can agree with that.

[00:58:36] When it comes to longevity, like, for doing it for 40 years, yes.

[00:58:39] I think current state where music is currently, Taylor Swift, I think, kind of holds that.

[00:58:43] Well, Taylor Swift, like, now, if she can do it for the next 40 years, yeah, fair enough.

[00:58:47] She'll be bigger than Metallica.

[00:58:49] But I think Metallica right now is, if Taylor Swift could pay Metallica to open up for her.

[00:58:54] Oh, that'd be bad.

[00:58:55] I would go to that.

[00:58:56] God bless.

[00:58:57] I just wouldn't spend 18 grand.

[00:58:58] But even Taylor Swift can't afford that.

[00:59:01] You know she paid.

[00:59:01] Yeah, she could.

[00:59:03] You know how much money she just made on this tour?

[00:59:05] Or she's not going to do that.

[00:59:06] She's worth a billion.

[00:59:07] Because she's a fucking dumbass.

[00:59:08] She wouldn't even think that deep into, you know.

[00:59:11] I will say one thing about Taylor being that it's the season of giving.

[00:59:14] Not my favorite.

[00:59:15] You know, I'm not really a Taylor Swift fan.

[00:59:17] I'm not a Swifty.

[00:59:17] And I don't want to see her at the football game.

[00:59:18] But I'll give credit when credit's due.

[00:59:20] And she gave back $192 million to her entire touring group, the truck drivers that haul the equipment.

[00:59:26] She set all those guys up with millions of dollars.

[00:59:28] They're families.

[00:59:29] And so for that, I give her a shout out.

[00:59:30] Well, and also, she's a great songwriter, too.

[00:59:32] She is.

[00:59:32] She writes other people's songs.

[00:59:33] And, like, lyrically, there's a reason why she's captured this current position.

[00:59:38] She had to earn it.

[00:59:39] She wasn't handed much.

[00:59:40] Yeah, no, she's talented.

[00:59:41] She's talented.

[00:59:42] She's not the only person out there.

[00:59:43] Look at Lady Gaga.

[00:59:44] How many music, how many songs is Lady Gaga fucking real for people?

[00:59:47] Yeah, she's gotten more into acting now, I feel like.

[00:59:49] Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, when it came to, you know, when it came to the late 60s through the early 80s.

[00:59:56] I mean, they wrote more music for everybody than, you know, I mean, it's music.

[01:00:04] So you've got to move forward, you know, kind of like, you know, where music's going.

[01:00:10] And, again, I'm not taking it.

[01:00:11] I mean, I was a musician.

[01:00:14] I mean, I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.

[01:00:17] I think there's more personal and political reasons why I'm not a Taylor Swift fan.

[01:00:20] I agree.

[01:00:21] But, you know, got to give credit what credit's due.

[01:00:23] Yep.

[01:00:24] You know, personally, I'm not a big Michael Jackson fan either.

[01:00:28] Yeah, but legend.

[01:00:29] Talent is talent.

[01:00:30] I know.

[01:00:30] Michael Jackson's song comes on the radio, I'm going to listen.

[01:00:32] Billie Jean, baby.

[01:00:33] Yeah, I mean, I'm going to listen to it, so.

[01:00:36] All right, well, it's time.

[01:00:37] Is it time for gifts?

[01:00:38] It's time for the gifts.

[01:00:40] All right, let's give Jamie his gift first.

[01:00:41] Yes, guest is first.

[01:00:43] It's a Merry Christmas.

[01:00:44] Merry Christmas, and.

[01:00:46] It's nothing life-changing, Jamie.

[01:00:48] Hold it up, Jamie.

[01:00:49] Hold it up a little bit.

[01:00:49] But you guys said not to squeeze it.

[01:00:51] Yeah, don't squeeze it.

[01:00:53] Well, I want to squeeze it now because we're out to open it.

[01:00:55] You can squeeze it now.

[01:00:57] All right, you can squeeze it if it's not going to give it away.

[01:00:59] God damn it, same thing happens every morning.

[01:01:04] All right, it's Christmas time.

[01:01:06] It is Christmas time.

[01:01:08] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:01:10] Oh, it's starting to start.

[01:01:13] Yep.

[01:01:14] This, you know, if you know Jamie, he likes gag gifts, right?

[01:01:19] Yeah.

[01:01:20] And so it was short notice.

[01:01:22] We had him coming on.

[01:01:22] I'm like, what can I find this guy that's just going to be silly and outlandish that we

[01:01:28] can find?

[01:01:28] Oh, it's perfect.

[01:01:29] And it, yeah.

[01:01:30] I'll touch it.

[01:01:37] Yeah.

[01:01:37] Yeah.

[01:01:38] And then it does different ones.

[01:01:40] Hit it again.

[01:01:41] Oh, shit.

[01:01:42] Oh, shit.

[01:01:42] Oh, shit.

[01:01:43] Oh, I like that one.

[01:01:45] Oh, shit.

[01:01:47] This is good.

[01:02:00] This is good.

[01:02:00] This is good.

[01:02:01] I think it was a perfect gift for him.

[01:02:08] That's great.

[01:02:21] All right.

[01:02:22] Nice.

[01:02:22] That was fun.

[01:02:23] All right, Kev.

[01:02:23] You're next.

[01:02:23] No, that was good.

[01:02:24] You're next.

[01:02:24] I might pass that on to my dad.

[01:02:27] Ho, ho, ho.

[01:02:27] All right.

[01:02:28] I'm going in.

[01:02:28] Art got me something.

[01:02:29] I don't know what it is.

[01:02:30] My dad used to always like to try to guess.

[01:02:32] I'm not going to be like Pops.

[01:02:33] I'm just going to...

[01:02:33] Just give me one guess.

[01:02:35] Something NASCAR related.

[01:02:36] Oh, yeah.

[01:02:37] No.

[01:02:37] I mean, he said give you a guess.

[01:02:39] Yeah, yeah.

[01:02:39] I mean, everyone knows all of a NASCAR.

[01:02:41] A table pussy.

[01:02:42] A pocket pussy?

[01:02:43] I don't know if I need one.

[01:02:45] It's car related.

[01:02:46] Okay.

[01:02:46] All right.

[01:02:48] It is car related.

[01:02:50] It's the Hoonigan Mustang.

[01:02:52] Yeah.

[01:02:53] The one that did the Pikes Peak hill climb.

[01:02:55] Fucking 10 blocks.

[01:02:56] Solid lad.

[01:02:57] Let's see.

[01:02:57] I'm going to hold it up for the viewers here.

[01:02:59] There you go.

[01:03:00] That's pretty fucking cool.

[01:03:01] You know exactly where this is going.

[01:03:02] That's the RC too, man.

[01:03:03] You could drive that bitch.

[01:03:04] Oh, shit.

[01:03:07] Wow.

[01:03:07] The excitement just went to a whole new level.

[01:03:09] It is.

[01:03:10] It's got the thing.

[01:03:11] Oh, man.

[01:03:12] It's the RC, bro.

[01:03:13] You can drift it.

[01:03:14] It goes up to four and a half miles an hour.

[01:03:16] Four and a half miles an hour?

[01:03:17] It's faster than your car.

[01:03:19] Hey, come on, man.

[01:03:21] Listen here, Jack.

[01:03:21] That's the right one of this piece of paper.

[01:03:24] Yeah, 100 foot range.

[01:03:25] Dude, yeah.

[01:03:26] We're going to have to play with this when we get done recording.

[01:03:27] Hell yeah.

[01:03:27] That's cool.

[01:03:28] I was excited about that.

[01:03:29] All right, brother blue eyes.

[01:03:30] What do you got?

[01:03:31] Arthur is up.

[01:03:32] All right.

[01:03:33] My turn for the gift.

[01:03:34] Let's see what we got here on this Christmas special.

[01:03:37] That's fun.

[01:03:38] It is fun.

[01:03:39] It is fun.

[01:03:46] All right.

[01:03:46] What is this about to be?

[01:03:49] Oh, yeah.

[01:03:50] I got excited when I located this.

[01:03:52] Oh, fuck.

[01:03:54] Yeah.

[01:03:56] What is it?

[01:03:56] I'm for that.

[01:03:57] It's the A-10.

[01:03:59] Okay.

[01:03:59] Oh, nice.

[01:04:00] You into airplanes?

[01:04:01] Dude, the A-10.

[01:04:02] It's the Thunderbolt.

[01:04:03] I got a crush on the A-10, bro.

[01:04:05] This thing's been around for so long.

[01:04:08] They want to retire this plane.

[01:04:09] They can't retire it.

[01:04:11] There's nothing.

[01:04:12] This thing is so epic.

[01:04:14] The A-10 model.

[01:04:15] I'm excited about this.

[01:04:16] It's the Warthog, too.

[01:04:17] So it's got the mean face on it.

[01:04:18] Oh, yeah.

[01:04:19] Arr.

[01:04:19] I'm excited about this, dude.

[01:04:21] It comes with a stand, too, so you can display it like it's taken off.

[01:04:23] Oh, no.

[01:04:23] This is dope.

[01:04:23] This is dope.

[01:04:24] And when I saw it, I was like, does the Perthogas are gifts?

[01:04:25] No, that's dope.

[01:04:26] That's dope.

[01:04:27] This is dope.

[01:04:27] This was some good gifts, guys.

[01:04:28] It's some good shit.

[01:04:30] It's not bullshit.

[01:04:34] Kelly's going to hate that thing.

[01:04:37] You should bring it up to work and just fucking be like, this is some bullshit.

[01:04:40] I can't wait.

[01:04:41] Oh, man.

[01:04:42] That is too good.

[01:04:42] That was a good gift-giving session, guys.

[01:04:44] Thank you.

[01:04:44] Thank you all.

[01:04:45] That was fun.

[01:04:46] I'm so grateful for the two of you.

[01:04:49] So grateful.

[01:04:50] So I want to cheers you guys.

[01:04:51] I mean, you guys are obviously, you know, long, long friendship.

[01:04:55] Yes.

[01:04:55] You're so fortunate.

[01:04:56] That will never, never end.

[01:04:57] So fortunate.

[01:04:58] You know, for the fact that you guys invite me, you know, to come and create chaos on you guys.

[01:05:04] People love when you come on.

[01:05:05] Yeah.

[01:05:06] Your show.

[01:05:06] I mean, dude, this is a good thing.

[01:05:09] Let's just keep going, you know, and let's find some other shit to talk shit about.

[01:05:13] So, I mean, that's what makes it great.

[01:05:15] Yeah.

[01:05:15] Talking shit.

[01:05:16] That's the whole point of it.

[01:05:17] You know, that's the whole point of it.

[01:05:18] It's the discussion combustion, baby.

[01:05:20] Yeah, just sitting around a table and having whatever beverage your choice is and talking shit.

[01:05:23] I have one more subject, though.

[01:05:26] Okay, let's do it.

[01:05:26] That we started off, you know, off air where you were talking.

[01:05:32] Some came up about vaginas, which I know is like really weird.

[01:05:36] Oh, shit.

[01:05:38] You know, about, you know, between us, you know.

[01:05:43] But I just recently watched where they said when you meet a woman, the size of her mouth is literally symmetrically the same size of her vagina.

[01:05:58] I don't see how that could be possible.

[01:06:06] That has to be.

[01:06:09] I mean, so you're saying that the orifice of her mouth.

[01:06:11] Wait, what is the relevance of this statement?

[01:06:15] I don't know.

[01:06:17] Like, why are you bringing this up?

[01:06:19] I mean, look at Kevin right now.

[01:06:23] And when he talks, is that the size of a vagina or a labia?

[01:06:27] But he's not.

[01:06:27] But I'm not a woman.

[01:06:29] Yeah.

[01:06:30] So he doesn't.

[01:06:31] Do you want me to go find a janitor lady?

[01:06:33] Did you not learn anything from Matt Walsh?

[01:06:34] No, but what's the.

[01:06:36] Okay, so it's an interesting statement.

[01:06:38] But like.

[01:06:39] I'm still confused about it.

[01:06:40] Okay, so you're saying that.

[01:06:42] I don't understand what you're thinking.

[01:06:43] That it matches in size on a female mouth and private part.

[01:06:48] So.

[01:06:49] Now, are we talking the vulva, the opening?

[01:06:51] We're talking about the whole.

[01:06:52] The entire vagina.

[01:06:53] Yeah, the whole fucking picture.

[01:06:55] If you were to take Arthur's lips like that, it's a vagina.

[01:07:00] That's very interesting.

[01:07:02] I've never thought about this a day in my life.

[01:07:04] And I've thought about a lot of things on this topic.

[01:07:07] Now, I also found out.

[01:07:08] I don't think this is.

[01:07:08] Where did you read this?

[01:07:09] I also found out that the same skin that is on your lips is the same.

[01:07:13] Skin that is on the lips of a vagina.

[01:07:17] That I could maybe understand a little bit more.

[01:07:19] That one, it might be true.

[01:07:21] Okay.

[01:07:21] Or like your sphincter is related to something else.

[01:07:24] I don't know.

[01:07:25] So are we talking?

[01:07:30] That could be some toxic bullshit.

[01:07:33] So are we taking a vote?

[01:07:35] Like, don't we think?

[01:07:36] I don't know.

[01:07:36] I'm just saying what I fucking read.

[01:07:38] Where did you read this?

[01:07:39] See, Jamie, look.

[01:07:40] Like, when we get guests on this show, we like tell them like, hey.

[01:07:43] You know, if you have something important that you want the people to hear about.

[01:07:47] Like, if you feel like you have a message you want to share with the world to hear, you would be great on our podcast.

[01:07:55] And so this is the subject that you have.

[01:08:01] Is the mouth the same size?

[01:08:04] It literally, like, I mean, I'm thinking about it.

[01:08:07] I mean, just turn your head sideways.

[01:08:08] Is it the same size of a vagina?

[01:08:11] It could be.

[01:08:12] I don't know.

[01:08:13] I got to do more research on this.

[01:08:15] Okay, I'm going to say no.

[01:08:16] And here's the reason why.

[01:08:17] So Arthur is calling.

[01:08:19] I'm calling.

[01:08:21] I'm calling bullshit.

[01:08:23] And it's because I'm going to talk about childbirth now.

[01:08:27] Oh, fuck.

[01:08:28] We all know where this is going.

[01:08:29] Okay.

[01:08:30] That's all I needed to say.

[01:08:31] You brought it up.

[01:08:31] That's all I needed to say.

[01:08:33] It's not the same.

[01:08:35] I mean, that's a good counter argument.

[01:08:37] It's not the same.

[01:08:38] So you're saying a vagina is bigger in your mouth or smaller than your mouth?

[01:08:42] Well, it can certainly get bigger.

[01:08:43] I'm saying it's probably base.

[01:08:46] It's like normal size is probably smaller.

[01:08:49] But it has the capability to grow larger than the mouth.

[01:08:52] Oh, yeah.

[01:08:52] Fuck yeah.

[01:08:53] So it's obviously way different than the mouth.

[01:08:56] And just it cannot be compared.

[01:08:59] No, I'm just saying the size.

[01:09:00] I'm not saying the function is the fucking same.

[01:09:04] Jesus Christ.

[01:09:05] I mean, yeah, you're not going to puke a fucking.

[01:09:08] You're not going to puke a watermelon out of your mouth.

[01:09:10] I mean, yeah.

[01:09:11] I mean, I understand that.

[01:09:12] You know, I'm just saying the size of your mouth.

[01:09:16] Where did you hear this?

[01:09:17] I watched it on a fucking video.

[01:09:19] I don't know if it's true or not.

[01:09:20] I'm asking you.

[01:09:21] I'm just saying.

[01:09:23] I think that's bullshit.

[01:09:25] Let's look it up.

[01:09:26] We need a fucking.

[01:09:27] We need like a Joe Rogan Jamie like on a fucking TV screen.

[01:09:30] Look this shit up right now.

[01:09:32] All right.

[01:09:32] We can, I mean, I'll look it up.

[01:09:34] Kev's giving it a look.

[01:09:35] I'm going to Google it.

[01:09:36] I'm just saying.

[01:09:37] I'm just sitting here because now I'm just like fascinated at your mouth.

[01:09:39] Going, if that was like vertical, would that be a vagina?

[01:09:44] You're looking at my mouth like that.

[01:09:46] Yeah, exactly.

[01:09:47] Yeah.

[01:09:48] Would that be a vagina?

[01:09:49] And I'm like, yeah, you know.

[01:09:51] It could be.

[01:09:52] Yeah.

[01:09:53] It could be.

[01:09:54] It could be.

[01:09:54] It could be.

[01:09:55] But it isn't.

[01:09:56] No shit.

[01:09:57] I know it's not a vagina.

[01:09:58] So here's what AI spit out.

[01:10:00] You know, AI runs the world now.

[01:10:02] Human lips are not the same size as a vagina.

[01:10:04] No, that's not the.

[01:10:05] It's not the question.

[01:10:06] Is the mouth the same size as like a vagina?

[01:10:09] Hang on.

[01:10:10] You know, like symmetrically the same, you know.

[01:10:12] Wait.

[01:10:12] Okay.

[01:10:13] So are we talking open mouth?

[01:10:14] Like, uh-huh.

[01:10:15] No, I'm talking like.

[01:10:17] Okay.

[01:10:17] If you're just like.

[01:10:18] I still said no.

[01:10:19] I changed it to mouth.

[01:10:19] Yeah.

[01:10:20] Jamie.

[01:10:21] No, no.

[01:10:21] Listen.

[01:10:21] Listen.

[01:10:32] Now, listen.

[01:10:33] Now, if your mouth was just like this.

[01:10:36] No, I get what you're saying.

[01:10:37] With a landing strip.

[01:10:40] Would that look like a vagina?

[01:10:42] It might look like one.

[01:10:43] Sure.

[01:10:44] But.

[01:10:44] Is it the same?

[01:10:45] Is it like the, you know.

[01:10:48] You know, the first time you see a vagina, would it be this big or smaller or bigger?

[01:10:53] Or, you know, we're just talking like symmetrically, you know, the size.

[01:10:58] This is interesting Christmas Day talk, Jamie.

[01:11:01] I'm going to say no.

[01:11:02] That's my position.

[01:11:04] Whether AI says.

[01:11:05] Why would you ask AI?

[01:11:06] What is AI?

[01:11:06] No, when you type it in.

[01:11:07] When you just type it in the Google, it gives you an AI.

[01:11:10] Like what AI says.

[01:11:10] Google scans everything and comes up with an AI result.

[01:11:13] Yeah.

[01:11:14] That's the top.

[01:11:15] Everything that you search in Google, if you're reading the top result.

[01:11:18] Did you say symmetrically?

[01:11:20] AI driven.

[01:11:22] Yes.

[01:11:24] So.

[01:11:24] What about the nerves in the lips?

[01:11:27] And the nerves.

[01:11:28] Well, now we're getting technical.

[01:11:29] Now you're getting too technical.

[01:11:30] Well, I'm curious.

[01:11:31] I want to know.

[01:11:32] I'm asking you guys.

[01:11:32] No, I'm saying.

[01:11:33] What do you think?

[01:11:34] We're the experts?

[01:11:34] It's two different things.

[01:11:35] This is two different things.

[01:11:36] Discussion combustion.

[01:11:37] I mean.

[01:11:37] This is way too different things.

[01:11:39] It's two different things.

[01:11:40] Yeah.

[01:11:41] There might be some women out there that have symmetrically sized lips to lip ratio.

[01:11:50] It probably exists.

[01:11:52] But not every single one.

[01:11:53] Yeah.

[01:11:53] There's no way.

[01:11:54] So do you think your mouth is big for a vagina?

[01:11:57] I guess.

[01:11:58] I'm wondering.

[01:11:59] If my mouth was a vagina, would I consider it big?

[01:12:03] Big?

[01:12:03] Yeah.

[01:12:04] Mas grande?

[01:12:06] I mean.

[01:12:07] Oh, God.

[01:12:08] Yes.

[01:12:09] Yes.

[01:12:09] Yes.

[01:12:09] I would consider my mouth a big vagina.

[01:12:11] I mean, I would consider mine really hairy.

[01:12:13] I would consider mine like a 70s, like, porno vagina.

[01:12:17] Yeah.

[01:12:17] We'd have to whistle through the wheat field on that son of a bitch.

[01:12:24] Merry Christmas, everybody.

[01:12:26] This is the last episode of the year.

[01:12:28] This is it for 2024, James.

[01:12:29] This is it.

[01:12:30] We're going to leave the viewers wondering about vaginas and lips.

[01:12:33] I'm telling you.

[01:12:33] I'm telling you.

[01:12:34] I think there's something there.

[01:12:35] Because now I'm curious.

[01:12:36] I've never looked at my girlfriend and seen her smile and then went, oh, yeah.

[01:12:42] I mean, I've never, you know, I've never done it.

[01:12:46] But you're thinking about it.

[01:12:47] You're going to do it now.

[01:12:48] Oh, yeah.

[01:12:48] Now I'm going to.

[01:12:49] I'm like.

[01:12:50] Yeah.

[01:12:50] Look.

[01:12:51] Damn.

[01:12:51] I don't know.

[01:12:52] You're going to get the measuring tape out.

[01:12:53] You know, you're going to really go to work on this.

[01:12:55] Yeah.

[01:12:55] I'm like, is that a duck face?

[01:12:57] No, there's honestly, dude, there's a way that you can do this and make it fun and make

[01:13:01] it playful.

[01:13:02] You could.

[01:13:02] And like, I really put a moral factor.

[01:13:07] No, there's no moral factor.

[01:13:08] We can figure this life out so much if you would just do this.

[01:13:11] No, you can figure it out.

[01:13:21] This shit's great.

[01:13:22] That's a great button.

[01:13:23] We're going to keep that here.

[01:13:24] That's a great button.

[01:13:25] We're going to keep it here.

[01:13:25] No, you can't keep that here.

[01:13:27] I'm going to keep that here.

[01:13:27] No, no, no, no.

[01:13:28] And I'm going to watch the next episode.

[01:13:29] No, we have PTSD with that.

[01:13:31] And then when the next guest comes in and you guys are talking, you're going to go,

[01:13:35] Oh, shit.

[01:13:37] That thing's awesome.

[01:13:39] That's bullshit.

[01:13:40] That thing is awesome.

[01:13:41] That's hilarious.

[01:13:42] You're going to have to take it.

[01:13:44] No, you can't leave.

[01:13:45] I'm going to take it.

[01:13:45] You can't leave that here.

[01:13:47] You've got to take the thing to work.

[01:13:48] It's disrespect.

[01:13:49] Kelly's going to hate it by the end of the night.

[01:13:51] You know, anytime she says something that you don't want to.

[01:13:53] Just keep it in your pocket.

[01:13:54] Don't let her see the button.

[01:13:56] Okay?

[01:13:56] Can I just ask that?

[01:13:58] I'll just like touch my dick and I'll be like.

[01:14:01] Yeah.

[01:14:01] That's bullshit.

[01:14:02] Yeah.

[01:14:06] Oh, man.

[01:14:07] And on that note, Merry Christmas.

[01:14:09] Thank you so much for everybody's support here.

[01:14:12] Happy Hanukkah, Kwanzaa.

[01:14:14] Whatever holiday you celebrate.

[01:14:15] Just celebrate family.

[01:14:16] Make sure you look at your wife's smile.

[01:14:18] Yes.

[01:14:18] You may learn something.

[01:14:20] It's okay to normalize these kind of conversations, guys.

[01:14:24] Yeah.

[01:14:24] That's part of the fun.

[01:14:25] You know, you do it respectfully, tactfully.

[01:14:26] Everyone in the room is in agreement or disagreement.

[01:14:28] You just do it in a fun way.

[01:14:30] I wonder what the male equivalent would be.

[01:14:31] And that's a great question for next time.

[01:14:34] Discussion combustion will be back in 2025.

[01:14:37] We've got a banger of year coming.

[01:14:39] It was so great having you on, Jamie.

[01:14:40] I think the male equivalent is your thumb.

[01:14:43] I don't know.

[01:14:44] Soft.

[01:14:46] Maybe.

[01:14:46] Maybe.

[01:14:47] There might be something to that.

[01:14:48] I don't know.

[01:14:50] We're going to carry this on more off of air.

[01:14:52] I want to thank Jamie for being here.

[01:14:54] I love you, man.

[01:14:59] Thanks for having me on, guys.

[01:15:00] I love you.

[01:15:01] We're going to see you soon.

[01:15:02] We're going to get you back on the air.

[01:15:03] Let's not make it a fucking year before I see you again.

[01:15:05] No, let's do that for sure.

[01:15:06] We need to.

[01:15:07] Yeah, we need to do that.

[01:15:08] So, viewers, we love you.

[01:15:09] No happy Friday this week.

[01:15:10] Enjoy your new year.

[01:15:12] If you're going to drink, don't drink and drive.

[01:15:14] Be responsible.

[01:15:15] And we love you.

[01:15:16] Be good to yourselves.

[01:15:17] You deserve it.

[01:15:21] Son.